Israel Is a Pirate State.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by EmptyForceOfChi, Feb 10, 2011.

  1. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    Not only have they violated many treaties and UN sanctions, they have Illegaly in breach of Charter Regulations and International water laws siezed Naval Vessels and Detained The Mariners.

    This By Definition of Law States that Israel Is a Known Pirate state.

    What excuses have the rest of the world Got to allow Israel to continue it's Illigal Activities?


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  3. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Sure, there's an argument to be had, but it's not particularly effective

    While the accusation of piracy is in itself serious and, rhetorically, at least, has an appearance of justification, it's not exactly a major issue in and of itself. Complaining about Israeli piracy in relation to the Gaza blockade is a little like ... er ... um ... well, let me see if I can scale this down so as not to offend the delicate sensitivities of Israeliphiles.

    Complaining about Israeli piracy in relation to the Gaza blockade is a bit like complaining that Jeffrey Dahmer was wasting food.
     
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  5. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    So given this pardon by yourself to Israel, would you grant me and my cartel the same freedom?. You wouldnt mind if everyone strapped on their eye patch, slung polly on the shoulder and set sail upon the seven seas for some good ol` swash-buck-ling adventures?


    I have always fancied the idea of being a pirate, sea breeze in your face Cutlass in hand, booty on B deck, captives on C deck.


    Ahooy Tiassa, I didn't know you had it in you.


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  7. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    They haven't. They majority of UN nation members have criticized Israel for ages but that isn't going to change their behaviour anymore than the Junta would change theirs. There are limits on what outside nations can do. You can't force israel militarily nor financially so...
     
  8. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Not your father's pirate Oldsmobile

    Well, if you were a serial human rights abuser razing homes, stealing land, and generally doing everything you could to provoke conflict, yes, I would grant you and your cartel the same freedom to be known first and foremost according to the general fact of your tyranny.

    If the earthquake comes and knocks down every house on the block, certainly the broken water main two streets over would be something to repair. But it's hardly going to be my first complaint.

    Knock yourself out. Months at a time trapped on a boat with unwashed seamen? Sounds like a Harlequeer novel waiting to be read.

    A pirate's life is overrated.

    And, yes, I'm tempted to write an Oldsmobile joke. But it's 2011, and I'm not sure how many people actually remember that the company ever existed.
     
  9. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Whether morally right or wrong, the UN has rules on blockades, and nations conducting blockades are legally permitted to temporarily extend the zones of those blockades into normally international waters, when ships are specifically attempting to violate said blockades. There are plenty of facts you could stick to if you just want to beat Israel over the head- the fact that several people on the Mavi Marmara died under suspicious circumstances while Israel had lots of time to tamper with the evidence. Making stuff up doesn't help your cause in the least.
     
  10. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    let them get away with their crimes. and your wrong countries can force Israel militarily or financially but don't for fear of being tarred with the anti semite label which Israel and its supporters use to crush and criticism
     
  11. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    well technically I think they would be privateers
     
  12. quinnsong Valued Senior Member

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    Complaining about Israeli piracy in relation to the Gaza blockade is a bit like complaining that Jeffrey Dahmer was wasting food.
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  13. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    The Bible.
     
  14. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Dancing With Godwin

    Yeah, I had to get creative. What struck me as the obvious metaphor was ... uh ... just a bit undignified.
     
  15. quinnsong Valued Senior Member

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    Never truer words spoken!
     
  16. ULTRA Realistically Surreal Registered Senior Member

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    Well, if you're going to steal a peoples land it's not much of a leap to pirate thier shipping as well. Any other nation would have been razed to the ground by now, but then, the zionist lobby controls Washington so little chance of justice for the Palestinians. Here in England, we used piracy very effectively in our wars with Spain and France. It was a dangerous but highly lucrative exploit and denied the enemy huge quantities of gold and arms.
     
  17. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    The ship was going to violate a blockade on Gaza, which was necessary because these shipments often contain weapons and material support for terrorists.
     
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  19. ULTRA Realistically Surreal Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah spidey, terrorist or freedom fighter is a pretty fine line. The blockade isn't legally enforced though - that makes it piracy in my book. However the captains of the ships would have known this, and approached Gaza anyway. That makes them culpable in the long run I think.
     
  20. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    it was only necessary because Israel refuses to acknowledge their rights. also food is not something that is legal to prevent from getting in. also the restrictions you've refrenced to only come into to play in a legal blockade ther blockade of gaza is not legal.



    also though it won't happen do to the fact Israel is violent and crazy if a cargo ship is escorted by a warship of a neutral country which gives guarantees that contraband is not on the ship the blockading country has no right to inspect nor stop the ship.
     
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  21. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I'm on your side as far as the rights of Palestinians are concerned, but a country can't simply allow ships to deliver weapons to their enemies. If the recent Democratic revolutions are any lesson to the Palestinians, it is that violence doesn't work.
     
  22. ULTRA Realistically Surreal Registered Senior Member

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    No. I agree. The Israelis would be somewhat negligent to simply allow shiploads of arms to flood into Gaza. This is the rael politic, sad as it is. I wonder how the Egyptian situation will affect smuggling of weaponry across the border and through the tunnels under it. Murbarak signed a peace treaty with Israel, I wonder if the new government will honour it. A conflict between Israel and Egypt would be huge, being the two best armed countries in the region. As much as I dispise the politics of Israel, I wouldn't like to see such a conflict break out. Israel better be careful now Egypt has lost its American puppet, or it could find itself fighting a new insurgency.
     
  23. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Israel would probably like nothing better than a war with Egypt, they wouldn't have to even pretend to make peace.
     

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