MOSQUES - MOON GOD TEMPLES?

http://www.bloomington.in.us/~lgthscac/islamiccrescentmoon.jpg

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The picture of the Babylonian Moon-God found on a cylinder seal in the British Museum is from an archeological discovery from the Middle East, which is now on display at the British Museum.

Throughout Egypt to Turkey, archeologists have dug up hundreds of little idols with a crescent Moon sitting on their head. In ancient pagan temples, there are walls with pictures of a god sitting on a throne with a crescent Moon over his head. At times there are several stars placed near the Moon to symbolize the daughters of the Moon god.

Before Mohammed was ever born, the Arabs worshipped 360 pagan gods housed in the Kabah in Mecca. One of the pagan gods they worshipped was the Moon god who was married to the Sun goddess. The stars were their children.

People worshipped the Moon god by bowing in prayer toward Mecca several times a day. They would make a pilgrimage to Mecca and run around a pagan stone temple called the Kabah seven times; slit the throat of a sheep; and throw stones at the devil.

They gave alms to the poor in honour of the Moon god. They fasted during the month, which began with the appearance of the crescent Moon in the sky and closed when the crescent Moon reappeared. They put the symbol of the crescent Moon on the walls of their homes and on their clothing.

This Moon religion was the pagan religion in which Mohammed was reared.

Where did Islam get the crescent Moon symbol which sits on top of its mosques and is displayed on Islamic country flags? From the religion of the Moon god.

Where did Islam get the name of its god? From the Moon god, Allah.

How sad it is to see people ignorantly bowing down toward Mecca and praying towards the Moon god Allah.

And according to the Bible - Muslims are actually worshipping demons(I Cor. 10:20).

[QUOTE=Vienna]MOSQUES - MOON GOD TEMPLES?
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M*W: I don't think so. The moon goddess regulates the tides and time and the menses. The moon regulates life. The sun creates life, but the moon regulates it. You do the math.

erm, what has this got to do with Allah, if people before Mohammed (saw) worshipped other things? are these people Allah?

and notice how many time you used the word "pagan"

MOSQUES - MOON GOD TEMPLES?
where did Islam get the crescent Moon symbol which sits on top of its mosques and is displayed on Islamic country flags? From the religion of the Moon god.

No, the moon and stars guide traverllers just as the Islam guide people


Where did Islam get the name of its god? From the Moon god, Allah.
Allah means God in Arabic. in Arabic translations of the Bible the word Allah is used just as God is used.

Any muslim know why there is a moon on top of every mosque??

you dont get the whole point of the Quran do you?

so what if the the Kabba used to have idols in it? do they have them now?

the whole point of the Mohammed's (saw) sending was to get rid of these.

and Vienna, the whole point of the sending if the Quran was to cancel out the old religions, so these idols mean nothing now because the Quran canclled them out.

the ONLY source of Islam is the QURAN and HADEETH anything else is not islam, and does the Quran say to worship a moon god? no it says Allahs attributes are perfect and not only that - unimaginable. in other words Allah is absolutely NOTHING like created things and not even imgainbale at All because thoughts are creations. so your puny "imagination" of Allah is NOTHING!

Allah means God in Arabic. in Arabic translations of the Bible the word Allah is used just as God is used.

Thats right, Allah means God in Arabic.

The same name used by pagan arabs for the moon god

Allah is unimaginable - he is NOTHING like creation and thought is created so it is immpossible to concive Allah.

Nothing Imaginable doesn't just mean his form you cant even say Allah takes up a space or has been around for this many years... blah blah.


1) you can imagine idols and moons cant you?
2) Moon Gods etc. are NOWHERE in the Quran or aithenitc Hadeeth.

so basically your puny imagionation of Allah is wrong.

Really??

Here's something else for you:

The Black stone, an idol of worship in moon god pre-Islam time, is still worshipped by the Muslims and is described as follows:

The annual pilgrimage to the Kaaba takes place in the first ten days of Dhu al-Hijja, the last lunar month of the Islamic calendar. The BLACK STONE set on the outside of one corner of the structure is solemnly kissed by all the pilgrims who can gain access to it. Lesser pilgrimages are performed throughout the year.


Any muslim know why there is a moon on top of every mosque??

Vienna, your analysis seems likely, as religions evolve over time. Too bad present day muslims do not respect their roots. This moon god seems like as good an idea as any, I mean, you can see it up there in the sky, unlike God. Time will tell, wether these new Abrahamic religions will survive.

Really??

Here's something else for you:

The Black stone, an idol of worship in moon god pre-Islam time, is still worshipped by the Muslims and is described as follows:

The annual pilgrimage to the Kaaba takes place in the first ten days of Dhu al-Hijja, the last lunar month of the Islamic calendar. The BLACK STONE set on the outside of one corner of the structure is solemnly kissed by all the pilgrims who can gain access to it. Lesser pilgrimages are performed throughout the year.


Any muslim know why there is a moon on top of every mosque??

what has the kissing got to do with anything? do u understand Hajj - NO!

if we kiss it do we worship it?

wot r u on?

Any muslim know why there is a moon on top of every mosque??

what has the kissing got to do with anything? do u understand Hajj - NO!

if we kiss it do we worship it?

wot r u on?

Then tell me why muslims travel to the black stone and kiss it.

Any muslim know why there is a moon on top of every mosque??

anyone know why there is a cross on a chuch? do Christians worship the cross? no its a symbol, fool!

and "every mosque" hmmm, tottally intrue.

and also do you think the way SOME Mosques are built reflect Islam more then the Quran (which doesn't worship the "moon god")

and once again...

Allah is unimaginable - he is NOTHING like creation and thought is created so it is immpossible to concive Allah.

Nothing Imaginable doesn't just mean his form you cant even say Allah takes up a space or has been around for this many years... blah blah.


1) you can imagine idols and moons cant you?
2) Moon Gods etc. are NOWHERE in the Quran or aithenitc Hadeeth.

so basically your puny imagionation of Allah is wrong.

Vienna, your analysis seems likely, as religions evolve over time. Too bad present day muslims do not respect their roots. This moon god seems like as good an idea as any, I mean, you can see it up there in the sky, unlike God. Time will tell, wether these new Abrahamic religions will survive.

Yes indeed, time will tell.

The world will be a safer place without one so called Abrahamic faith - the moon god religion.

Thats right, Allah means God in Arabic.

The same name used by pagan arabs for the moon god

what has the same name got to do with anything?

Jesus to Muslims is Jesus to Christians but Jesus to us in not the son of God despite having the same name.

also:
[QUOTE=Vienna]Thats right, Allah means God in Arabic.
source 1) GOD in English can mean ANY God (Hindu, Jewish, Muslim etc.)
source 2) and Allah in arabic has the EXACT meaning as God in English.

so what ure saying is just becasue this god may or many not of been called Allah if you use source one it doesn;t really have anything to do with Islam does it? now use source 2 becasue it os exactly the same as source 1.

your other threads make sense and have a basis but if you think Islam is a religion that worships ANYTHING other then Allah then you are just stupid.

so what ure saying is just becasue this god may or many not of been called Allah if you use source one it doesn;t really have anything to do with Islam does it? now use source 2 becasue it os exactly the same as source 1.

OK munim, just for you.

ALLAH THE MOON GOD

Pagan Arabs used Allah in the names they gave to their children. For example, both Muhammad's father and uncle had Allah as part of their names. The fact that they were given such names by their pagan parents proves that Allah was the title for the Moon-god even in Muhammad's day.

So why is Allah never defined in the Qur'an?
Why did Muhammad assume that the pagan Arabs already knew who Allah was?

Muhammad was raised in the religion of the Moon-god Allah. But he went one step further than his fellow pagan Arabs. While they believed that Allah, i.e. the Moon-god, was the greatest of all gods and the supreme deity in a pantheon of deities, Muhammad decided that Allah was not only the greatest god but the only god.
In effect he said, "Look, you already believe that the Moon-god Allah is the greatest of all gods. All I want you to do is to accept that the idea that he is the only god. I am not taking away the Allah you already worship. I am only taking away his wife and his daughters and all the other gods."

This is seen from the fact that the first point of the Muslim creed is not, "Allah is great" but "Allah is the greatest," i.e., he is the greatest among the gods.

Why would Muhammad say that Allah is the "greatest" except in a polytheistic context? The Arabic word is used to contrast the greater from the lesser.

This is true as seen from the fact that the pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than the one they already worshipped. This "Allah" was the Moon-god according to the archeological evidence.

Muhammad thus attempted to have it both ways.

To the pagans, he said that he still believed in the Moon-god Allah. To the Jews and the Christians, he said that Allah was their God too. But both the Jews and the Christians knew better and that is why they rejected his god Allah as a false god.

Hmmm...Any muslim know why there is a moon on top of every mosque??

Reply To Moon-God Myth & Other Deceptive Attacks On Islam

''And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate to Allah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him'' The Noble Quran (41:37)

CONTENTS

Morey's Deceptive Methods
How Morey quotes from Professor Coon
How Morey quotes from Caesar Farah
Morey Contradicts Himself
Irrelevant Archeological Evidence
How Morey Twists Things
Morey's Intended Audience
Fallacy of Equivocation
False Evidence
Optical Delusions
What was the Name of that Moon-god?
Concealed Evidence
Back to the Real Issue
Morey's Folly
The Crescent Moon in Islam
Questions Answered
Works Cited
Appendix

Read the whole LIES exposed here:

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/moongod.html

Another CHRISTIAN LIE exposed, next one please ??? :cool:

Reply To Moon-God Myth & Other Deceptive Attacks On Islam

''And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate to Allah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him'' The Noble Quran (41:37)


Read the whole LIES exposed here:

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/moongod.html

Another CHRISTIAN LIE exposed, next one please ??? :cool:

This link is written in the same Islamic format that refutes the truth. It doesn't prove anything. When a faith dislikes the facts what is written about it, or is in the book of thier faith, it will turn and twist words.


Pagan Arab beliefs:

People worshipped the Moon god by bowing in prayer toward Mecca several times a day. They would make a pilgrimage to Mecca and run around a pagan stone temple called the Kabah seven times; slit the throat of a sheep; and throw stones at the devil.

Sounds familiar?


And no one has answered my question:

Why is a moon found on the top of mosques?

Why is it an "attack" on islam to say they once worshipped the moon?
Its a compliment, shows at one stage there was some semblance of sanity.
If you check back just about every culture started out decent, and just about everyone has since turned to crap.

And no one has answered my question:

Why is a moon found on the top of mosques?

Certainly vienna, you dont have even the basic information about Islam, for example, you dont know that Muslims for example have their own calender depending on the movement of the moon, called LUNAR YEAR, you dont know that Muslims start the fasting month of Ramadan when they see the early crescent of specific month and end ramadan when they saw the early crescent of the next month !!

Vienna does not know that the symbol of the crescent and star was not known in the muslim world until the 15th century when the ottomans introduced it to the Muslim world:

http://islam.about.com/library/graphics/starmoon_yellow.gif

The crescent moon and star is an internationally-recognized symbol of the faith of Islam. The symbol is featured on the flags of several Muslim countries, and is even part of the official emblem for the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies. The Christians have the cross, the Jews have the star of David, and the Muslims have the crescent moon, right?

The early Muslim community did not really have a symbol.

During the time of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), Islamic armies and caravans flew simple solid-colored flags (generally black, green, or white) for identification purposes. In later generations, the Muslim leaders continued to use a simple black, white, or green flag with simple writings like ALLAH AKBAR ( allah is the greatest ) or LA ILAH ILA ALLAH MUHAMMAD RASOULU ALLAH ( No god but Allah, Muhammad is his prophet ).

لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله

It wasn't until the Ottoman Empire that the crescent moon and star became affiliated with the Muslim world. When the Turks conquered Constantinople (Istanbul) in 1453, they adopted the city's existing flag and symbol. Legend holds that the founder of the Ottoman Empire, Osman, had a dream in which the crescent moon stretched from one end of the earth to the other. Taking this as a good omen, he chose to keep the crescent and make it the symbol of his dynasty. There is speculation that the five points on the star represent the five pillars of Islam, but this is pure conjecture. The five points were not standard on the Ottoman flags, and as you will see on the following page, it is still not standard on flags used in the Muslim world today.

For hundreds of years, the Ottoman Empire ruled over the Muslim world. After centuries of battle with Christian Europe, it is understandable how the symbols of this empire became linked in people's minds with the faith of Islam as a whole.

Based on this history, many Muslims reject using the crescent moon as a symbol of Islam. The faith of Islam has historically had no symbol, and many refuse to accept what is essentially an ancient pagan icon. It is certainly not in uniform use among Muslims.

The crescent moon and star were symbols of the Ottoman Empire but Christians of the day assumed it was the symbol of Islam in the same way they thought the cross was the symbol of Christians.

which means the crescent is only a symbol to Muslims.

PM

No, it is not ONLY a symbol to Muslims.

So if muslims don't worship the moon god - Why is a moon crescent found on the top of all mosques?

[QUOTE=(Q)]The crescent moon and star were symbols of the Ottoman Empire but Christians of the day assumed it was the symbol of Islam in the same way they thought the cross was the symbol of Christians.
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M*W: Good point. The cross, then, is the symbol of Roman punishment, but the Jews of the day assumed it was the symbol of Christianity.

The crescent moon and star were also symbols of ancient feminism, but Christians of those days and today associate them with evil.

Which symbols denote no evil? The crescent moon and star, of course.

[QUOTE=(Q)]The crescent moon and star were symbols of the Ottoman Empire but Christians of the day assumed it was the symbol of Islam in the same way they thought the cross was the symbol of Christians.
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M*W: Good point. The cross, then, is the symbol of Roman punishment, but the Jews of the day assumed it was the symbol of Christianity.

The crescent moon and star were also symbols of ancient feminism, but Christians of those days and today associate them with evil.

Which symbols denote no evil? The crescent moon and star, of course.
LOL :D

You are so funny

Crescent moon and star represents no evil ha ha ha.

I wish it was that funny but I'm afraid that the sign represents the most evil and terrible religion ever known to mankind.

[QUOTE=Vienna]LOL :D

You are so funny

Crescent moon and star represents no evil ha ha ha.

I wish it was that funny but I'm afraid that the sign represents the most evil and terrible religion ever known to mankind.
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M*W: Let's see... hmmm... Who created the moon and stars?

Vienna

It is rumored that Osman I had a dream in which a crescent and star appeared from his chest and expanded over the entire world.

M*W: Let's see... hmmm... Who created the moon and stars?

Tough one honey.....

But not tough enough.... lol

According to muslim history, it was the moon god of course.


Why is there a moon on top of all mosques = Because they worship the MOON GOD.

[QUOTE=Vienna]Tough one honey.....

But not tough enough.... lol

According to muslim history, it was the moon god of course.


Why is there a moon on top of all mosques = Because they worship the MOON GOD.
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M*W: And what's wrong with worshipping a moon god? All Christians worship what started out to be the Sun God, but they caused it to evolve into the "Son of God." Nothing's ever changed. It's still the Sun they worship on Sunday, but they are too blind to see it. It's called denial. It's also called idolatry. However did sun worshipping evolve into worshipping the Son of God?

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M*W: And what's wrong with worshipping a moon god? All Christians worship what started out to be the Sun God, but they caused it to evolve into the "Son of God." Nothing's ever changed. It's still the Sun they worship on Sunday, but they are too blind to see it. It's called denial. It's also called idolatry. However did sun worshipping evolve into worshipping the Son of God?

What an interesting thesis. It would be most excellent if you would develop that sometime.

ROFLMFAO.............. :D :D :D

lol vienna, keep trying.............this is the most funny acusitions so far.......by the way no one buys this crap..but offcourse you since you buy all kind of crap..........lol

:D

So if muslims don't worship the moon god - Why is a moon crescent found on the top of all mosques?


YET another Ignorant statment by our most ignorant friend. Hey you got 100's of mosques only in london where there is no moon no star genius.

You are talking about ALL= every single one of them, isn't english your language? or you migrated from mangolia?

So if muslims don't worship the moon god - Why is a moon crescent found on the top of all mosques?

Vienna, did you read my post ?? please scroll back to page 1 in this thread, my post was the last in page 1.

Muslims dont put this symbol on all mosques, but as I said, it is just a symbol.

I mean, come on..all churches have crosses on them, does that mean christian god is the cross ????

LOL :D

You are so funny

Crescent moon and star represents no evil ha ha ha.

I wish it was that funny but I'm afraid that the sign represents the most evil and terrible religion ever known to mankind.

The symbols of christianity is DEATH ( the cross ) while the symbol of ISLAM is LIGHT ( the Crescent and Star ).

So if muslims don't worship the moon god - Why is a moon crescent found on the top of all mosques?

what r u on about - every moaque? there are loads of Mosques without this symbol.

all churches have a cross on. these crosses are at the front of the church TOWARDS the way people pray. Loads of Christians have crosses on thier necks. Does Christianty worship a cross? no.

lol vienna, keep trying.............this is the most funny acusitions so far.......by the way no one buys this crap..but offcourse you since you buy all kind of crap..........lol

:D

soo true. Vienna's other arguments were making sense but this ones takin the cake. NO ONE IS BUYING THIS CRAP, unless you make a another username up and post suppport messages to yourself like i know you WILL.

Then tell me why muslims travel to the black stone and kiss it.

Firstly, the "Black Stone" we kiss isn't the Kabbah, it is a small section that is on one corner of the Kabbah. we kiss it because it is originally an Angel. if you kiss it your sins go into the stone.

Next, your argument that Muslims worship the Moon God becasue previous generations do it is stupid becasue the Quran was sent down to cancel other beliefs ans start again becasue the old books had been corrupted and changed by Man.

also Abraham's father and his generation all worshipped statues, idols, moons and loads of other things. But Abraham worshipped God and he told people to worship God, the previuos gods and the God that Abraham worshipped had the same name but does that mean all of the later followers (christians) worship idols then?

the ONLY true source in Islam is the Quran and authenitc Hadeeth*. Anything else isn't Islam. and the Quran doesn;t say anything about Allah being a moon.

and since your allegations aren;t from the Quran or Authenitc Haddeth

then they are

FAKE

Tough one honey.....

But not tough enough.... lol

According to muslim history, it was the moon god of course.

Muslim history is in the Quran and aunthentic Hadeeth and it does NOT say that the Moon was created by the Moon God.

Really??

Here's something else for you:

The Black stone, an idol of worship in moon god pre-Islam time, is still worshipped by the Muslims and is described as follows:

The annual pilgrimage to the Kaaba takes place in the first ten days of Dhu al-Hijja, the last lunar month of the Islamic calendar.

just becasue muslims follow a lunar calender does that mean we worship it> Christians go to Church on SUNday and follow the SOLAR calender but DO NOT worship the sun.

Lets use Vienna's logic for a minute (so we can see how it doesnt work!)

Chritians have crosses with Christ on
pray for Christ
think that Christ will save them
and say things like "For Christ's sake" "Jesus love"
and the name of the religion CHRISTian
and the symbol of CHRISTinaty is the cross that CHRIST died on.

they are putting more emphasis on Christ then God so in Vienna's logic they worship Christ but this IS NOT true Christians do NOT worship Christ so Vienna's logic DOES NOT MAKE SENSE

let me ask you a question Vienna

(i know your not Christian)

but do you think Christians worship Christ (or the sun)???

so do you think Christians worship Jesus or not? yes or no.

so do you think Christians worship Jesus or not? yes or no.

Christians worship the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

OK.

I'm not a Christian and I'm not your personal Sunday School teacher either.

Go and read about the Trinity, if you are that bothered.

Christians worship the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

OK.

I'm not a Christian and I'm not your personal Sunday School teacher either.

Go and read about the Trinity, if you are that bothered.

ohhhh being a sore loser again? :mad:

i guess you know you've figured out you lost :D

Christians worship the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

OK.

I'm not a Christian and I'm not your personal Sunday School teacher either.

Go and read about the Trinity, if you are that bothered.

you are a chritian.......stop being ashamed of your religion man :D

Lost? lost what you jerk.
You are pathetic

ooooohhhhhh no need to get emotional :mad: :(

and yes you are Christian.

if you aint then dont say for Christ sakes again and dont on other threads sometimes defend Christianty and sometimes say its crap becasue it seems like your dissing Christanty to look non-christian and sometime slipping by defeneding it.

and you know what i mean by lost

[QUOTE=Vienna]The Cross represents the crucifixion and the ressurection of Christ, without which there would be no Christianity.
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M*W: The cross represents a common method of Roman punishment, but the cross does not represent the resurrection of Christ. Oh, in Catholic churches, the bleeding dying demigod pseudosavior hangs there all year except for Easter Sunday, when all there is hanging on the cross is a white piece of cloth, representing that Jesus had been taken from the cross (or never made it to the cross) as well as to loosely mean that Jesus had risen from the dead. Protestants don't have a bleeding dying demigod pseudosavior hanging there at anytime. The Catholic Church (and Mel Gibson) have made sure there is more guilt to be had by a perpetually bleeding dying demigod pseudosavior.

Secondly, without Paul there would be no Christianity. True Christianity was what James professed. I vote we change the name of Christianity to Paulianity.

For hundreds of years, the Ottoman Empire ruled over the Muslim world. After centuries of battle with Christian Europe, it is understandable how the symbols of this empire became linked in people's minds with the faith of Islam as a whole.



Yes I know about the ottoman empire etc, why do you think I choose the name Vienna?

It's too much of a coincidence that the Crescent Moon was used as a symbol of Moon God worship in Mohammeds days (and before that), and is known internationally as a symbol of Islam today.

Yeah your probably right about the cross - who knows

Munim_786 and 567
aism.

Only a bum like u have time to write that much garbage.......lol you have so much time and no common sense or any kind of sense at all Mr. welfare bum. Go out and work so the Muslims won't invade your land. :D Stop abusing every one's tax dollars. It is you who is a burden on England or should they move you to middle east??? :D

Munim_786 and 567
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Oh one more thing, stop being ashamed that you are a christian actually u are a disgrace to christianity as well. I understand your misery. ;)

No, the moon and stars guide traverllers just as the Islam guide people...

How exactly does the moon "guide" travellers?

and I love you too........my chrisitan friend.

Uno: You're no good.

Dos: You misuse the ellipse.

Tres: Vienna isn't Christian, is he?






I don't think it matters a whit what the Crescent and Star might have meant once. Today, one and all view it as an emblem of Allah and his prophet Mohammed. Any attempt to refute this perception is academic and purposeless.

I understand you, Vienna. You're a troll doing a bully job; now, why not quit while you're ahead?

... and you Muslim bulldogs are no better. Your posts have progressively degenerated to personal assaults on Vienna, and that's very irritating reading.

Uno: You're no good.

Dos: You misuse the ellipse.

Tres: Vienna isn't Christian, is he?






I don't think it matters a whit what the Crescent and Star might have meant once. Today, one and all view it as an emblem of Allah and his prophet Mohammed. Any attempt to refute this perception is academic and purposeless.

I understand you, Vienna. You're a troll doing a bully job; now, why not quit while you're ahead?

... and you Muslim bulldogs are no better. Your posts have progressively degenerated to personal assaults on Vienna, and that's very irritating reading.

Rappaccini

At last, someone who brings a breath of fresh air into the religious forum.

I deserved that telling off from you, and to tell you the truth I needed it. It makes a refreshing change from all the moronic Islamic slurs and lies recently. Tut Tut Vienna you are at it again

Sorry Rappaccini, but I live amongst the Islamic bums and I hate them.

You are correct, I am not a Christian. But if I had to choose out of the three Abrahamic faiths I'd choose Christianity any day, I would even consider Judiasm over Islam. Judaism hasn't done any wrong, it's just that I'm not as familiar with it.

Good to meet you Rappaccini.

It's good to meet you too, Vienna.

Maybe you're not an intentional troll, but your posts are, generally, very provocative and demeaning to the Muslims here, who traditionally retaliate viciously.

Their belligerence doesn't help, but neither does your willingness to harass them.
And get it straight... they are not "bums" and this is harassment.


This thread was crass and doomed to begin with; you should've known it... if I'm to believe that you weren't aware of it from the start.

Uno: You're no good.
... Your posts have progressively degenerated to personal assaults on Vienna, and that's very irritating reading.

Give us a favour........Don't read.

Vienna is my lovely neighbour...my lovely christian brother. :D I do have my neighbourly rights don't i?

Yes I know about the ottoman empire etc, why do you think I choose the name Vienna?

It's too much of a coincidence that the Crescent Moon was used as a symbol of Moon God worship in Mohammeds days (and before that), and is known internationally as a symbol of Islam today.

Are you that dumb ?? how many times I need to tell you that the moon god is MYTH ?? I mean just read this verse from the quran:

''And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate to Allah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him.'' (The Noble Quran 41:37)

Reply To the Moon-God Myth & Other Deceptive Attacks On Islam

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/moongod.html

The Black stone, an idol of worship in moon god pre-Islam time, is still worshipped by the Muslims and is described as follows:



The concept of the Black Stone is encrypted & symbolic, remember that a lot of mysticism is in involved here so things are not as plain as day. Kaaba meaning cube, is the foursquare of Mecca. A foursquare is a 'magic' square whose sides all equal a certain number, the particular one used by the ancient sages is here
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/MagicSquare.html

- Draw a line from the top of 1 to 4,then 4 to 2 another from 1 to 9 & another 6 to 2 you'll transcribe a marking that was/is on many buildings in the world, it was a map, so to speak, to the saying ' the 8 is the way to the 9', because you will notice after drawing those lines the only figure left out is 8, which symbolises perfection of symmetry. This utterence bewildered any not acquainted with such things but to someone who knew it was the key to another saying 'in the 9 heavens are 8 places', where is the 9th?

Double meaning abounds in that stone, for 9 in Arabic is Ta, which is also the Arabic root for "secret knowledge" There is a reason why it is black & not any other colour (hajarel aswad) black in Arabic root can be coal therefore this 'stone of black' or (hajarel fehm) is also "the stone of the wise" or "stone of wisdom".

This leads further into the derivative English word "cornerstone" which means
cor·ner·stone also corner stone
n.

A stone at the corner of a building uniting two intersecting walls; a quoin.
Such a stone, often inscribed, laid at a ceremony marking the origin of a building.
An indispensable and fundamental basis: the cornerstone of an argument.


You will hear many meanings as to the meaning of the the Black Stone, but the reason why the sufis used the foursquare & the sayings was so as to preserve the essence of its meaning....the 9 th heaven is in the heart.

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