There is no doubt that in Islam homosexuality is considered 'sinful'. Homosexuality as far as Islam is concerned is a profound mistake. Humans are not homosexuals by nature. People become homosexuals because of their environments. Particularly critical is the environment during puberty. Suggestions, ideas & strange dreams are symptoms of confused attempts to understand new and blunt sexual desires and are rashly interpreted as defining someone as being one sexuality or another. If these conclusions are accompanied by actual homosexual acts they are even more strongly reinforced. It has been suggested that homosexuality is genetically inherited and that those who have this 'predisposition' are victims of it not sinners of any sort. However, there are other things which are probably genetically influenced to give predispositions to for example gambling or alcoholism .It could also be argued (and has been) that it is programmed into men's genetics for them to be unfaithful to their partner. All these things don't make it the right thing to do, nor does it prevent these things from being regarded as sinful. Then why is there so many homo moslems???
vega i would say there are 10%, 10% of the whole world is homosexual, and thats the same for the rest of the animal kindom (exculding single sex organisims of corse)
It's not about world statistics but how it's regionally confined to a particular religious order of that population of people.
That verdict is subject to the modern interpretation of a scripture that has been added to and altered since the time of Christ. Moreover, the Bible is far more flexible to ethereal interpretation than the Qur'an is (or has been). The common statement is this: Of COURSE the bible forbids homosexuality (and oppresses women), it was written in a time when such things were social staples. However, there is a strong current in Christianity (which, you obviously know nothing about) that preaches a message of pure love, peace and tolerance, as it was believed Christ preached; which message has been corrupted by a conservative and powerful elite in order to strengthen their power base, and thus control over society. ~String
Yes, and homosexuality is a sin in Christianity. What I hate is when anti-Islam people point things out within Islam, but never even bother to point it out in their own religion! It's there.
Norse, you may be too dense to get this: but homosexuality is an issue that isn't tackled by Christ at all. Many Christians adhere to the words of Christ and reject the other quasi-prophetic contributions, which contributions weren't made a la Mohamed in Islam, but were compiled by individuals over a few centuries and were arbitrarily bound in the "Bible" by the Synod of Carthage (early Catholic Church) and were not commissioned by Christ (who is the true founder of Christianity). Ideas and whole texts were "edited" out of the Bible in order to secure the power base of the Catholic Church. Do you really believe that Christ wanted people killed in the Crusades or in Torquemada's dungeons? Christ preached peace and tolerance, something that Christianity did away with because it was too hard for early believers to swallow: a life lived in insecurity [poverty, despair, deprivation] demands common adherence, through such adherence some semblance of security is given to the general populous and those who control the reigns of power. That which has proceeded from the various contributors to the Bible diverge quite radically from the original preachings of Christ. Again, you have no clue what you're talking about. ~String
Norse, again, you demonstrate your total ignorance of anything outside your very limited ken. 1) The Pope is the head of the Catholic Church. There are numerous sects of Christianity. Moreover, the church over which the Pope presides is nothing like it was two Milena ago. There are dozens of churches with which the pope has no affiliation. My former church (The United Church of Christ), was founded by people who were aware of modern Christianity's (visa vis the Catholic Church) issues and fallacies, and it openly accepts Gay people and ordains them as ministers. 2) The Old Testament is not "Christianity". The Old Testament is the "Old Covenant" and it no longer applies to Christians, Christ (as per his own words) severed those bonds. The Old Testament also demands that people not eat pork, tattoo any marks upon their bodies, requires people to sacrifice animals to God, [in some circumstances] kill rebellious children and wives, requires male circumcision, and forbids work on Saturdays-- none of which applies under the "New Covenant" If you had any knowledge on the subject at all, you might know these facts, but still you regurgitate fallacies and ignorant suppositions which are laughingly ridiculous. ~String
Christianity was in it's truest form in the period of the Crusades, and in such homosexuality was a sin and still is in modern Christianity but most Christians need to bend the religion to adapt to society. There are also numerous churches which do NOT allow gays to enter.
And you base this upon your thorough studies on the subject? Besides, as I stated earlier: back then Christianity also permitted the beating of women, the owning of slaves, the execution of anybody for any state crime. What rules? Can you please provide the scriptures where Christ said that homosexuality was a sin? I bet you can't, mostly because of your total and obvious ignorance on the subject and not because you've actually explored the issue of homosexuality in Christianity. Are you aware that it was a gay Emperor who legalized Christianity in Europe? No shit, Sherlock. You're the prince of the obvious. There are also Churches which consider your race inferior and demand the extermination of Muslims. Great, maybe we should follow them, then! No. People wrote the New Testament and crafted its views to suit their prejudices. ~String
What? You're an idiot Norse if you believe that. "True" Christianity is based on the NEW TESTAMENT, not the Old Testament. If it were based upon the Old Testament, then it would be Judaism. Bainiac. Honestly, Norse, you can't be that stupid. Where do you get your "facts" from? Christ... I can't believe I'm debating with someone who can't even tell the difference between the New Testament and the Old Testament. Christianity and Judaism. Look, Norse: there isn't a SINGLE CHRISTIAN CHURCH that adheres to the Old Testament. Not one. Zero. They all adhere to the NEW TESTAMENT. Christians (especially the orthodox ones) teach that the OT is nothing more than what came before. Do you get that, or is this all a little too much for you to comprehend? I can give you illustrations if it makes it any easier. ~String
I enjoy watching him attempt to posit "facts". He makes shit up as he goes along and then swears that it's "truth". ~String
"You're officially the most moronic person on this website." "You're an idiot Norse if you believe that." "Honestly, Norse, you can't be that stupid." Is this appropriate for a moderator, string?
Yes. Especially when that person spreads hate like you do. I qualified every "insult" with substantiated information. Something people like you can rarely do, beyond quoting ancient scriptures or etherial belief systems. Norse made claims about things he knew nothing about. That's about as idiotic as they come. It would be one thing if Norse simply claimed that homosexuality was wrong because it's what he believed, or because the Qur'an said so, but he attempted to posit information about Christianity, something he OBVIOUSLY knows nothing about. Norse, like you, creates "facts" so that that he looks informed. I can see why you two are thick as theives. Lemme guess, Kadark: you'd have me shot, and if I'd survived, you'd have me shot again? ~String
