Source: BBC News (http://news.bbc.co.uk/)
Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7264903.stm
Title: "Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts", by Robert Pigott
Date: February 26, 2008

The news comes as a nearly ineffable surprise. I have a feeling, though, that had I been paying attention, it wouldn't have struck me so suddenly; I would have seen it coming, heard the whispers, read the signs.

There is about to be a tremendous upheaval in Islamic society. The entire world will feel the tremors.

Turkey is preparing to publish a document that represents a revolutionary reinterpretation of Islam - and a controversial and radical modernisation of the religion.

The country's powerful Department of Religious Affairs has commissioned a team of theologians at Ankara University to carry out a fundamental revision of the Hadith, the second most sacred text in Islam after the Koran.

The Hadith is a collection of thousands of sayings reputed to come from the Prophet Muhammad.

As such, it is the principal guide for Muslims in interpreting the Koran and the source of the vast majority of Islamic law, or Sharia.

But the Turkish state has come to see the Hadith as having an often negative influence on a society it is in a hurry to modernise, and believes it responsible for obscuring the original values of Islam.

It says that a significant number of the sayings were never uttered by Muhammad, and even some that were need now to be reinterpreted.

(Pigott (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7264903.stm))

Officials in Turkey have stayed somewhat quiet about the project for the controversy they expect this undertaking to incite. Project adviser Felix Koerner told the BBC that some of the sayings can be shown to have been invented well after the prophet's death, with contemporary sociopolitical ambitions in mind.

"Unfortunately you can even justify through alleged hadiths, the Muslim - or pseudo-Muslim - practice of female genital mutilation," he says.

"You can find messages which say 'that is what the Prophet ordered us to do'. But you can show historically how they came into being, as influences from other cultures, that were then projected onto Islamic tradition."

(ibid)

In addition, scholars are attempting to understand the context of various sayings, which will lead to a reinterpretation of ahadith believed genuinely spoken by the Prophet:

Prof Mehmet Gormez, a senior official in the Department of Religious Affairs and an expert on the Hadith, gives a telling example.

"There are some messages that ban women from travelling for three days or more without their husband's permission and they are genuine.

"But this isn't a religious ban. It came about because in the Prophet's time it simply wasn't safe for a woman to travel alone like that. But as time has passed, people have made permanent what was only supposed to be a temporary ban for safety reasons" ....

.... Prof Gormez points out that in another speech, the Prophet said "he longed for the day when a woman might travel long distances alone".

So, he argues, it is clear what the Prophet's goal was.

(ibid)

Some of us might suggest that Islam is finally attempting to enter the twenty-first century, and there is merit to the suggestion. But we should on the one hand wait to see what the scholars come up with. And in this age of wars and rumors of wars, it would serve all humanity well that we in the post-Christian West should lend our support and encouragement. Broad issues of social justice wait in hopes of their time in the sun, when we might for once actually help our Muslim neighbors in their struggles with their own humanity, instead of push them away, condemn and threaten.

Peace at last? We cannot expect this soon. But it seems in Turkey they are about to attempt a mighty leap of faith. May their courage find good fortune, and their children a brighter day.

It's about damn time some Muslims step up to get their shit together.

The best practitioners of Islam today live in Turkey. What a fabulous country, to balance religion and modernization so eloquently!

Congratulations to Turkey for tackling this issue. Phantom hadiths definitely need to be dumped.

I dont see how this would be a bad thing at all.

congrats to turkey.

I dont see how this would be a bad thing at all.

congrats to turkey.

It's bad to countries like Saudi Arabia, as people will see even clearer now how utterly absurd their laws are. For the rest of us, though, it's great news. :)

It's bad to countries like Saudi Arabia, as people will see even clearer now how utterly absurd their laws are. For the rest of us, though, it's great news. :)

Exactly, but the more people see how absurd their laws are the more pressure and influence will be directed towards them to change.

Amen.

It's been pointed out that the history of Islam has tracked eerily close to the history of Christianity, with a 600-year offset. That means Islam is poised to enter its Reformation. The Christian Reformation worked out pretty well--from our perspective, half a millennium later. At the time it was pretty violent.

You can't turn a major religion upside down and shake it, without expecting a whole lot of its more traditional followers to use any means available to try to stop you.

Considering that the Turkish "moderate" Muslims use evangelical Christians as their role models of radical religion, I would say, Be careful what you wish for. :D

Considering that the Turkish "moderate" Muslims use evangelical Christians as their role models of radical religion, I would say, Be careful what you wish for. :D

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Turkish Muslims exemplify to the highest degree what Islam is all about. Turkish Muslims sustained an open-minded, progressive Empire which lasted 630 years and excluded all medieval forms of Christian dogma. Turkey is the most modern Muslim country on the face of the planet, balancing religion and appropriate secularism in perfect harmony. Your post resembles exactly that of a jealous Indian Muslim, a person who's so ashamed of her own country's system and policy towards Islam that she feels the need to chastize Turkey for being modern and progressive. Don't even get me started on this.

If Harun Yahya is an example of the modern Turkish Muslim, I sincerely hope that is not the highest degree that Islam can aspire to.

If Harun Yahya is an example of the modern Turkish Muslim, I hope that is not the highest degree of Islam to aspire to.

Harun Yahya is ONE Turk out of 75 MILLION.

What the hell do you think? He's not a prophet. He only represents himself.

If Harun Yahya is an example of the modern Turkish Muslim, I sincerely hope that is not the highest degree that Islam can aspire to.

Didn't he just say, don't get him started?

:itold:

Harun Yahya is ONE Turk out of 75 MILLION.

What the hell do you think? He's not a prophet. He only represents himself.

Could you give me some examples of the typical modern Turk? What is the modern Islamic movement in Turkey?

Statements like this can only engender disbelief in me:

In early 1998, Adnan Oktar and the SRF launched a campaign against Darwinism. Thousands of free copies of Adnan Oktar's book, The Evolution Deceit, and the booklets based on this book were distributed within Turkey.

The SRF also spearheaded an effort to attack Turkish academics who taught evolutionary theory. A number of faculty members were harassed, threatened and slandered in fliers that labeled them "Maoists" for teaching evolution.[21] . In 1999, six of the professors won a civil court case against the SRF for defamation and were awarded each with a large amount of money.[21]

In 2005, Professor Ümit Sayın summed up the effect of the SRF's campaign when he said to The Pitch:

In 1998, I was able to motivate six members of the Turkish Academy of Sciences to speak out against the creationist movement. Today, it's impossible to motivate anyone. They're afraid they'll be attacked by the radical Islamists and the BAV

Didn't he just say, don't get him started?

:itold:

He ought to make up his mind. Last week he denounced the reformist movements of the Ottomans as bida. :rolleyes:

This week he's extolling their empire

Turkish Muslims sustained an open-minded, progressive Empire which lasted 630 years and excluded all medieval forms of Christian dogma

Could you give me some examples of the typical modern Turk?

Visit Turkey and see for yourself. Nobody represents the Turksih public. Everybody is a unique individual. As a whole, we represent the greatest balance between religion and secularism; tradition and modernization.

Statements like this can only engender disbelief in me:

So what? Adnan Oktar is a university dropout and a preacher at best.

Turkish scientists confront creationists' theory

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/europe/turkish-scientists-confront-creationists-theory-457164.html

If only you looked hard enough. There are TONS of people who oppose the creationist theory.

He ought to make up his mind. Last week he denounced the reformist movements of the Ottomans as bida. :rolleyes:

This week he's extolling their empire

What do you mean I denounced the reformist movements as a bad idea? Please elaborate.

Visit Turkey and see for yourself. Nobody represents the Turksih public. Everybody is a unique individual. As a whole, we represent the greatest balance between religion and secularism; tradition and modernization.



So what? Adnan Oktar is a university dropout and a preacher at best.

Turkish scientists confront creationists' theory

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/europe/turkish-scientists-confront-creationists-theory-457164.html

If only you looked hard enough. There are TONS of people who oppose the creationist theory.

I distinctly recall you supporting Adnan Okhtar as the cats pajamas.:confused:

I distinctly recall you supporting Adnan Okhtar as the cats pajamas.:confused:

Depends what book I'm read of his.

What do you mean I denounced the reformist movements as a bad idea? Please elaborate.

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1760138&postcount=12


Depends what book I'm read of his.

Just shoot me. :crazy:

Again, what is this "movement" in Turkey that is so progressive?

I find threads like these quite funny. Especially when the ginorants come in and say its about time and blabla not knowing that reform is part of the teachings of Islam, in the office of the Mujaddids themselves.

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1760138&postcount=12

It wasn't widespread. It was only in remote areas. Besides, an Islamic revolution within isn't making up rules of your own - it's simply removing rules that shouldn't be there.

Just shoot me. :crazy:

I would, if I didn't feel sorry for you.

Again, what is this "movement" in Turkey that is so progressive?

You can't be serious.

Take a look around. Everybody's opportunities are the same. Women's roles amongst Turks have always been great, and they're improving. Education is great (would be better with more money, but hey, what can you do?). Ancient (un)Islamic laws were thrown out the window, and baseless hadiths are continuously being rejected. There's a balance between religion and secularism, and the culture in and of itself sustains this balance. Turks are the most modernized and progressive Muslims in the world. They say "a Turk's only friend is another Turk" - I think it's jealously others have for us.

Are women allowed to cover their heads in Turkey?

Are women allowed to cover their heads in Turkey?

Of course they are!

Strange, i always heard other stories :p Anyway, what do I know bout Turkey

What is the status of madrassas in Turkey?

Strange, i always heard other stories :p Anyway, what do I know bout Turkey

Most people do (well, in the less populated cities, anyway). You're thinking about the ban on hijabs in universities. It has been removed.

http://thinkgirl.net/?p=3223

Good to hear, religious freedom :D Far more progressive than some Western countries who ban those

Good to hear, religious freedom :D Far more progressive than some Western countries who ban those

Agreed. Where are you from, by the way?

the world ^ ^

the world ^ ^

Is that another way of saying, "I'm too ashamed to say India"? :p

What is the status of madrassas in Turkey?

In what sense of the word are you using "madrassas"?

lol nah im not from India. Born in Pakistan, then lived in parts of Africa, now parts of Europe.

In what sense of the word are you using "madrassas"?
Religious education, do you have a different word for it?

I know Turks use medresse for their educational institutions.

Probably because they invented the concept?

The madrasa system came into being during the period of Turkish rule, the first of such institutions formally supported by the state being a creation of the Turkish Seljuqs. In a more general sense too, the birth of the madrasa system owed much to Turkish initiative. It was developed in the region of Transoxiana and Khorasan, where Turks constituted a significant part of the population, and Turkish kings of the Qarakhanid, Ghaznawid, and Seljuq dynasties were the founders of the earliest of such schools. Turks appear, moreover, among the earliest bibliophiles and founders of libraries in Islam.

Anyway, I voted it's a good thing. You know, Turkey is kind of European and they kind of also remind me a little of Russian. At least all three have a long history together that dates back well well well before Islam. Probably sometime in the future Turkey and Europe and maybe Russia will have a basal level of Islam, Xian, Scientology, Baha'i, Mormon, Judaism, etc.. that will be found in pretty much any of the countries with the majority of people being secular. That is if things keep going as they are. If there is some sort of epidemic or WWIII well then who knows?

A good second step... (making the nation secular being the BIG great first step).

Religious education, do you have a different word for it?

Religion in school is taught to educate people on different religions. It's not for teaching people "facts" based off what certain religions say.

Ex. Muhammad is the Prophet of Islam; Jesus in Christianity, etc.

NOT: the Earth is 6K years old.

Nice try.

Probably because they invented the concept?

India must have adored it. They have 30,000 of them!

Anyway, I voted it's a good thing. You know, Turkey is kind of European and they kind of also remind me a little of Russian. At least all three have a long history together that dates back well well well before Islam. Probably sometime in the future Turkey and Europe and maybe Russia will have a basal level of Islam, Xian, Scientology, Baha'i, Mormon, Judaism, etc.. that will be found in pretty much any of the countries with the majority of people being secular. That is if things keep going as they are. If there is some sort of epidemic or WWIII well then who knows?

A good second step... (making the nation secular being the BIG great first step).

The further East you go in Turkey, the more it resembles M.E./Asian cultures/lifestyles. The further West you go, the more European you get.

Religion in school is taught to educate people on different religions. It's not for teaching people "facts" based off what certain religions say.

Ex. Muhammad is the Prophet of Islam; Jesus in Christianity, etc.

NOT: the Earth is 6K years old.

Nice try.

So where do the Turkish fundies get their daily bread?



India must have adored it. They have 30,000 of them!

Yes, its the only source of education for some very poor people too.

There is in fact, a silent but very large movement in madrassa reforms going on in India.

If you are interested here is a guy who has made a profession out of reporting on it.

http://madrasareforms.blogspot.com/

Curiously he's not even Muslim.

So where do the Turkish fundies get their daily bread?

When you're pulling this irrelevant, nonsensical garbage out of your ass, it's clear you're finished. Every Turk has a right to voice their opinion on Turkish matters - this is not a right exclusive to one group.

Yes, its the only source of education for some very poor people too.

There is in fact, a silent but very large movement in madrassa reforms going on in India.

If you are interested here is a guy who has made a profession out of reporting on it.

http://madrasareforms.blogspot.com/

Curiously he's not even Muslim.

Yeah, and every Turk is wealthy enough to get a good education. :rolleyes:

Your madrassas are for the poor - ours are established because we're all lunatics and fundies. Gotcha.

For the rest of us, though, it's great news. :)

The rest of us?

You mean weak willed Muslim wiggaz like yourself, who can't submit fast enough to Uncle Sam.

When you're pulling this irrelevant, nonsensical garbage out of your ass, it's clear you're finished. Every Turk has a right to voice their opinion on Turkish matters - this is not a right exclusive to one group. .
I'm trying to figure out the source for religious education in Turkey.


Yeah, and every Turk is wealthy enough to get a good education. :rolleyes:

Your madrassas are for the poor - ours are established because we're all lunatics and fundies. Gotcha

Yes, madrassas in India are generally for the poor. People who can afford to send children away to school do not send them to madrassas.

The rest of us?

You mean weak willed Muslim wiggaz like yourself, who can't submit fast enough to Uncle Sam.

Yeah, so true. Tell that to the millions of black Muslims worldwide, you racist punk. You're a fucking joke.

I'm trying to figure out the source for religious education in Turkey.

It's simply religious knowledge - not indoctrination. Cold hard facts. It's more along the lines of history, actually. There's no preaching or decrediting - simply teaching.

Yes, madrassas in India are generally for the poor. People who can afford to send children away to school do not send them to madrassas.

And we do? My God, you're dense.

I went drinking/pool and then karaoke with an Aussie guy and his Turkish wife and I've met many other Turkish people and they seem just like European. Except the Kurdish Turkish - they have a bit of chip on their shoulder. That said, Kurdish kebab taste better :) Also, Turkish people reallY really need to stop using whatever salami they are using on their pizzas and use Italian hot pepperoni. PLEASE all Turkish people just do me that one favor! :D

I went drinking/pool and then karaoke with an Aussie guy and his Turkish wife and I've met many other Turkish people and they seem just like European. Except the Kurdish Turkish - they have a bit of chip on their shoulder. That said, Kurdish kebab taste better :) Also, Turkish people reallY really need to stop using whatever salami they are using on their pizzas and use Italian hot pepperoni. PLEASE all Turkish people just do me that one favor! :D

Uh, Mike, most Turks are Muslim. Pepperoni is out of the question!

Turkey has a strong separation of religion and government. I applaud them for being so progressive. In fact, they have exceeded the US in separation standards of religion and state. An Islam radicalist who somehow made it as leader would not be able to install some of his twisted interpretations of the Quran in Turkey's government.

Turkey has a strong separation of religion and government. I applaud them for being so progressive. In fact, they have exceeded the US in separation standards of religion and state. An Islam radicalist who somehow made it as leader would not be able to install some of his twisted interpretations of the Quran in Turkey's government.

Turkey's military operates as the Ministry of Internal Affairs for the country. If the country is getting out of hand (from the public's actions, or from incompetent leaders), the military can (and has) intervene. Our government can't get away with much.

Yeah, so true. Tell that to the millions of black Muslims worldwide, you racist punk. You're a fucking joke.


Your not black, Turkman.

Hence, your the joke here.

But I can understand how a weak minded Muslim, ashamed of his own people's poverty, ends up committing shirk.

Now, run along to your Christian masters.

Your not black, Turkman.

Hence, your the joke here.

"You're", my friend, "you're". Not "your".

Tsk.

But I can understand how a weak minded Muslim, ashamed of his own people's poverty, ends up committing shirk.

Now, run along to your Christian masters.

I'm not going to turn this into anything serious. If you wanna go for that, my PM is always open.

Although, I usually don't pay much attention to racist forum-dwellers.

Who knows, though...there's a first time for everything.

Uh, Mike, most Turks are Muslim. Pepperoni is out of the question!Pepperoni is pork?? Haaa! I didn't know - well that explains it!

OK, please, Turkish Islam reformers just do me this one favor instead - STOP banning the consumption of pork! I'm sure pepperoni (or even better - prosciutto) pizza will soon follow :)

Your not black, Turkman.

Hence, your the joke here.

But I can understand how a weak minded Muslim, ashamed of his own people's poverty, ends up committing shirk.

Now, run along to your Christian masters.Aaahhhh where the hell did that come from?:bugeye:

Turkey sometimes produces good news (debates between reasonable people), sometimes not so good (massacres of Kurds, etc), but as far as science and Islam the recent stories seem to resemble these:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/21329204.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15857761/

http://seedmagazine.com/news/2006/11/not_in_kansas_anymore.php

And the more encouraging sound like this: http://saif_w.tripod.com/curious/evolution/muz/muz-part3.html

iceaura:

Massacres of Kurds? Hah! If we wanted the Kurds to be massacred, we wouldn't have provided them refuge from Saddam when he was clearing them out. We would simply have told them to remain in Iraq. The issue is much more complicated than that. I posted about it recently in a thread by WildBlueYonder, if you'd like to see it.

Anyway, evolution is taught in Turkey. I may not like it, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

Pepperoni is pork?? Haaa! I didn't know - well that explains it!

OK, please, Turkish Islam reformers just do me this one favor instead - STOP banning the consumption of pork! I'm sure pepperoni (or even better - prosciutto) pizza will soon follow :)

Pork isn't banned in Turkey. People simply choose not to sell/buy it. Not exactly a "profitable" place to sell pork (98% Muslim).

you poor poor fools :p

pork = yum

pork = ease of transmission of hybridized viruses. :p

and one in six people with trichinosis. ;)

pork = ease of transmission of hybridized viruses.

and one in six people with trichinosis.
:mad:

I'm meant to be having bacon with pasta for dinner tonight. Stop putting me off my food!:bawl:

The rest of us?

You mean weak willed Muslim wiggaz like yourself, who can't submit fast enough to Uncle Sam.



Your not black, Turkman.

Hence, your the joke here.

But I can understand how a weak minded Muslim, ashamed of his own people's poverty, ends up committing shirk.

Now, run along to your Christian masters.
I don't even want know where all this came from, but take your racism elsewhere.

:mad:

I'm meant to be having bacon with pasta for dinner tonight. Stop putting me off my food!:bawl:



Oh well, if it makes you feel better

beef = prion disease
goat, lamb, sheep = foot and mouth disease
chicken, turkey = bird flu
fish, shell fish = mercury, salmonella poisoning
:o

Dont worry bells, those disease arnt present in australian meat:)

Except some mercury and as for salmonella you should be safe as long as you treat all your meat carefully:D

and one in six people with trichinosis In the US, closer to one in six million.

In the US, undercooked bear or raccoon meat - say from bear sausage - is about as likely a cause as pig. That's because pigs don't eat garbage off he streets in the US.

Odd circumstance: they say freezing bear meat does not kill the parasite, unlike freezing pork.

Depending on how you raise them, pigs are pretty clean - certainly as clean as chickens, under reasonable farm conditions. How someone can turn up their nose at pork, but eat chicken, is a mystery to me.

Marvin Harris puts the no pork rule in the category of economic regulations benefitting the poor in certain areas - subsistence farming areas where pigs compete with humans for scarce food. So in Ireland, where pigs (in the old days) can be raised on garden waste and fish guts and scraps and stover and the like, pigs were great; in central Scotland and Lebanon where pigs must be fed human edible grains, pigs were forbidden. It's so the rich cannot enjoy a luxury that literally starves the the poor, he thinks.

An example of the kind of benefit peculiar to religion, in ordering a decent society ( the free market, say, wouldn't ban pigs for the rich ).

pork = ease of transmission of hybridized viruses. :pI thought all the pandemics and black deaths were from bird-flu? One on One I think Birds have wreaked much more havoc.

anyway pork = yum yum yum :)

AND, more importantly, so that Muslims finally realize it is yummy pork that civilized ancient China and Europe - they should reinterpret whatever verse so that Muslims can actually enjoy pork and thus life itself :p

no pepperoni pizza = OMG give me a suicide belt I'm outta here!!! :D

But there's turkey pepperoni ....

And it only tastes a little bit like rubber.

(Edit: Damn it!)

I know, I can't stand that turkey pepperoni ... eeeuuuooooo

I don't even want know where all this came from, but take your racism elsewhere.

Sick of liars like yourself I guess.

Since when is calling someone a 'wigga (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wigga)' racism?

Your own racial insecurity means you've got to point fingers.

I'm calling you out on this remark.

AND, more importantly, so that Muslims finally realize it is yummy pork that civilized ancient China and Europe - they should reinterpret whatever verse so that Muslims can actually enjoy pork and thus life itself :p

no pepperoni pizza = OMG give me a suicide belt I'm outta here!!! :D

Man, the smell and sight of pork is gross. Oh, and honest to God, I get severe headaches when I'm at my friend's house and they're making bacon. That vile, vile smell!

Sick of liars like yourself I guess.

Since when is calling someone a 'wigga (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wigga)' racism?

Your own racial insecurity means you've got to point fingers.

I'm calling you out on this remark.

Well, I'd have to actually be white for you calling me a "wigga" to make any sense.

This is a positive step, but very sensitive one at the same time. Do not forget that Bahaism, Salafism, etc. were all formed as an attempt to reinterpret Islam, but lost the way. Since Islam is a religion practiced by a very wide range of people from a wide repertoire of cultures and has been so flexible to be adjusted to different cultures, I suppose this step will only work if it is not done by scholars of a single Islamic state. A national interpretation of Islam will not go beyond the geographical borders. Actually, if a reinterpretation (and not a renewal) is to be done, it should be done by reputed, trusted and experienced muslim religious scholars from all over the world.
In the end, I should reiterate that a reinterpretation of Islamic rules wouldn't mean an abolishment of fundamental principles like Familty life, faithfulness, sexual decency, Jihad, Qisas, etc.

Source: BBC News (http://news.bbc.co.uk/)
Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7264903.stm
Title: "Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts", by Robert Pigott
Date: February 26, 2008

The news comes as a nearly ineffable surprise. I have a feeling, though, that had I been paying attention, it wouldn't have struck me so suddenly; I would have seen it coming, heard the whispers, read the signs.

There is about to be a tremendous upheaval in Islamic society. The entire world will feel the tremors.



Officials in Turkey have stayed somewhat quiet about the project for the controversy they expect this undertaking to incite. Project adviser Felix Koerner told the BBC that some of the sayings can be shown to have been invented well after the prophet's death, with contemporary sociopolitical ambitions in mind.



In addition, scholars are attempting to understand the context of various sayings, which will lead to a reinterpretation of ahadith believed genuinely spoken by the Prophet:



Some of us might suggest that Islam is finally attempting to enter the twenty-first century, and there is merit to the suggestion. But we should on the one hand wait to see what the scholars come up with. And in this age of wars and rumors of wars, it would serve all humanity well that we in the post-Christian West should lend our support and encouragement. Broad issues of social justice wait in hopes of their time in the sun, when we might for once actually help our Muslim neighbors in their struggles with their own humanity, instead of push them away, condemn and threaten.

Peace at last? We cannot expect this soon. But it seems in Turkey they are about to attempt a mighty leap of faith. May their courage find good fortune, and their children a brighter day.

There is nothing more inciting and confirming to the devout muslim than the perception that a infidel influenced government in the middle east (Turkey) is tampering with the quran to remove the allah inspired words of muhammed to conform it to the requirements of the infidels.

Instead of making muslims peaceful this will inspire more true muslims to engage in even greater acts of violence to fight the perceived blasphemy of an outside inspired elite's tampering with their qurans texts.

Doing stuff like this works to enrage a true muslim and to enlarge the ranks of the terrorists not pacify them. This is like a red rag to a bull.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

There is nothing more inciting and confirming to the devout muslim than the perception that a infidel influenced government in the middle east (Turkey) is tampering with the quran to remove the allah inspired words of muhammed to conform it to the requirements of the infidels.

Instead of making muslims peaceful this will inspire more true muslims to engage in even greater acts of violence to fight the perceived blasphemy of an outside inspired elite's tampering with their qurans texts.

Doing stuff like this works to enrage a true muslim and to enlarge the ranks of the terrorists not pacify them. This is like a red rag to a bull.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Bullshit! Who told you Quran will be tampered with?? Read first before making your terrorist propaganda:confused:

Simmer down there chuush, it a book were talking about.....oh nooooo.........ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

May a thousand locusts be visited upon me. aaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

This is merely news.
Hadith has been being debated all the time. Strong, weak, fake.
It is and should be continuously done.