View Full Version : Is there an Eastern version of Santa Claus?


John J. Bannan
07-05-07, 09:14 AM
Even kids from Asia like toys. Is there a Buddha Santa Claus? And if not, why are Buddhists taking themselves so seriously?

spidergoat
07-05-07, 12:08 PM
http://xs217.xs.to/xs217/07274/santahotei.jpg (http://xs.to)

John J. Bannan
07-05-07, 12:28 PM
Nice picture.

EmptyForceOfChi
07-09-07, 07:12 AM
Even kids from Asia like toys. Is there a Buddha Santa Claus? And if not, why are Buddhists taking themselves so seriously?


why do you say buddhists are taking themselves so seriously if they dont have a santa? i dont understand.

peace.

John J. Bannan
07-09-07, 08:25 AM
Santa is not a serious concept - agreed? All religions consist of persons who can have kids. People who don't give their kids presents are taking things to seriously. A religion without a Santa is taking things too seriously.

EmptyForceOfChi
07-09-07, 08:47 AM
Santa is not a serious concept - agreed? All religions consist of persons who can have kids. People who don't give their kids presents are taking things to seriously. A religion without a Santa is taking things too seriously.



santa is not religious. the modern santa is not saint nick. he is some dude from the north pole, who rides around on a magic sled eating minced pies.


and people give gifts to thier kids at other times of the year. just because everyone doesent celebrate christmas itdoesent mean they take life too serious. not everybody has the same culture or folklore.


its like saying if christians dont celebrate chinese new year, and give money to the kids in red envelopes they take life too seriously.

peace.

John J. Bannan
07-09-07, 09:04 AM
Santa's a lot more fun than Chinese New Year. Any where do you get this stuff that Santa eats minced pies?

EmptyForceOfChi
07-09-07, 09:07 AM
Santa's a lot more fun than Chinese New Year. Any where do you get this stuff that Santa eats minced pies?

UK tradition to leave father christman (santa) minced pies and a glass of milk.


and maybe christmas is more fun thats personal taste. everyone has thier own traditions and customs. you cant expect to assimilate everyone into one big culture.

diversity is a good thing. and chinese new years is very fun i attend the celebrations every year.

and trust me chinese kids get very happy when they open the red envelope.

peace.

EmptyForceOfChi
07-09-07, 09:11 AM
also some chinese people do celebrate christmas time. it caught on in japan and has spread to some parts of china.


in beijing they celebrate christmas. but its not very common. asian people celebrate as much as western peopl. they are not too serious.

peace.

John J. Bannan
07-09-07, 09:13 AM
A thirsty starving man on a desert island gets very happy when he sees a glass of water. This doesn't mean a red envelope is in the same category as Santa. Does the "red" color of the envelope represent "Communism"?

EmptyForceOfChi
07-09-07, 09:16 AM
A thirsty starving man on a desert island gets very happy when he sees a glass of water. This doesn't mean a red envelope is in the same category as Santa. Does the "red" color of the envelope represent "Communism"?


what is this thread a racist attack on asian people?


peace.

John J. Bannan
07-09-07, 09:19 AM
What does an attack on "Communism" have to do with an attack on Asian people? All Asians aren't "Communist". However, the last time I checked, China was "Communist". The category of this thread is Eastern Philosophy, i.e. Asians. The category itself limits itself to Asians. Why do you feel threatened?

EmptyForceOfChi
07-09-07, 09:24 AM
What does an attack on "Communism" have to do with an attack on Asian people? All Asians aren't "Communist". However, the last time I checked, China was "Communist". The category of this thread is Eastern Philosophy, i.e. Asians. The category itself limits itself to Asians. Why do you feel threatened?

why would i personaly feel a threat?.

this thread is about asian people. i dont see why you mentioned communism when we were talking about red envelopes for chinese new year.


it just seems like your trying to make eastern culture look bad in an attempt to say "we are better than you".

red is the lucky colour in china. thats why the flag is red and they give red envelopes with money inside to kids.


peace.

John J. Bannan
07-09-07, 09:26 AM
Red is also the color of Communist China. What's wrong with a blue envelope? Besides, an envelope still sucks in comparison to Santa.

EmptyForceOfChi
07-09-07, 09:35 AM
Red is also the color of Communist China. What's wrong with a blue envelope? Besides, an envelope still sucks in comparison to Santa.



................... are you joking?


peace

John J. Bannan
07-09-07, 09:38 AM
Of course, this entire thread is a joke. Still, envelopes filled with cash still suck in comparison to presents given by Santa.

EmptyForceOfChi
07-09-07, 09:44 AM
Of course, this entire thread is a joke. Still, envelopes filled with cash still suck in comparison to presents given by Santa.

some people prefer cash, because you can buy what you actualy want with it.


ofcourse a nice gift from the heart is nice, and chinese people make things for each other alot and give them as gifts. eastern traditions have alot of celebrations and happy times.

personally i wouldent mind red envolopes every year. one of my friends who is from hong kong has a huge family. and every year he recieved tons of red envolopes with money inside.

one year he must have got like over £1000. and he was only about 8 years old. thats one good thing about having such a huge family and money giving traditions.

now what 8 year old wouldent love to recieve £1,000 wich is over $2.000 currently. and they always have family gathering anyway, easternf families spend alot fo time together and are very supportive of each other.

so every week is like christmas time when it comes to spending quality time with your family. and the food is always a big feast.


peace.

John J. Bannan
07-09-07, 09:50 AM
There is no way every week is like Christmas time. Even if you literally celebrated Christmas every week, it would lose its specialness and become hum drum. True, an 8 year old could buy a lot of presents with $2000. But, do the Chinese allow their kids to buy $2000 worth of toys, or do they have to put it in a savings account? Dull.

EmptyForceOfChi
07-09-07, 09:56 AM
There is no way every week is like Christmas time. Even if you literally celebrated Christmas every week, it would lose its specialness and become hum drum. True, an 8 year old could buy a lot of presents with $2000. But, do the Chinese allow their kids to buy $2000 worth of toys, or do they have to put it in a savings account? Dull.

maybe not every week is exactly like christmas. but there is always close family gatherings and eating together, and the chinese have celebrations as good as x mas. they have festivals for everything. even just for food alone,

like the char siu bao festival.

no they can spend it, its a gift. it doesent get taken away fromt hem and put into ana ccount.


its money for them to spend on what they like, my friend got computer games with it action figures and went places.




peace.

John J. Bannan
07-09-07, 09:58 AM
Well, now were're talking. Of course, my family wouldn't give me $2000 for Christmas, so you must be talking about rich kids. It's always more fun to be a rich kid, regardless of whether you get a visit from Santa or a bunch of red envelopes.

EmptyForceOfChi
07-09-07, 10:02 AM
Well, now were're talking. Of course, my family wouldn't give me $2000 for Christmas, so you must be talking about rich kids. It's always more fun to be a rich kid, regardless of whether you get a visit from Santa or a bunch of red envelopes.


no its not like that, its not the parents who just give the money, its every adult in the family for alot of people, not just rich kids get alot of money.

obviously we are not talking about in the poor slums of china here. but every regular joe chinese family in england applies.

your parents alone wont give you 2000 ofcourse not thats way too much. but say you had a huge family like many chinese family groups. like my friend who has hundreds and hundreds of people in his extended family. and they all send you around $20-$30.

add it all up together and there you have alot of cash. every year.


peace.

John J. Bannan
07-09-07, 10:06 AM
Can't be many who have hundreds and hundreds in their extend families. Still, a likely nice haul.

EmptyForceOfChi
07-09-07, 10:10 AM
Can't be many who have hundreds and hundreds in their extend families. Still, a likely nice haul.

i doubt every family has hundreds and hundreds of members.


maybe not every family do this. but my chinese friends all perform this tradition witht eh red envelopes and money each year.

but just like some western people cant afford to give many gifts at christmas time, some chinese families wont be able to give money.

note that chinese people give gifts tot he kids each year aswell.


peace.

EmptyForceOfChi
07-09-07, 10:18 AM
we could try searching google and see if there is an asian type of santa in legends or folklore. i personaly dont know if there is such a story.

but i would guess the chinese have some kind of legend or story about some kind of dragon giving gifts to people on a certain day. or something along those lines.

peace.

Facial
07-09-07, 07:37 PM
As far as I know, there is no equivalent. I guess you can make those far-fetched analogies though.

EmptyForceOfChi
07-11-07, 05:03 PM
here is what i was talking about.


"Lucky Money. Lucky money, or \laih\ sih, is given out in small red packets. Parents give them to their unmarried children throughout most of China. In some provinces, lucky money is given out to extended family, or even to any unmarried friends. Children or guests "eligible" to receive lucky money greet the host with the phrase "\gung\ /hei/ faat \choih\" clasping their hands in front of them and moving them up and down."

quoted from this link.
http://www.chinese-lessons.com/cantonese/culture1NewYears.htm


peace.

spidergoat
07-11-07, 05:08 PM
There is no way every week is like Christmas time. Even if you literally celebrated Christmas every week, it would lose its specialness and become hum drum. True, an 8 year old could buy a lot of presents with $2000. But, do the Chinese allow their kids to buy $2000 worth of toys, or do they have to put it in a savings account? Dull.

Kinda like the afterlife, huh?

FieryIce
07-17-07, 01:07 PM
Is there an Eastern version of Santa Claus?

You mean Saint Nicholas, right?

Saint Nicholas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas)

EmptyForceOfChi
07-20-07, 06:47 AM
You mean Saint Nicholas, right?

Saint Nicholas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas)

no i think he means this dude.

http://cache.kotaku.com/gaming/images/drunk_santa.jpg

peace.