I have heard a lot about how telepathy and psychokenesis have been observed over the globe, but is such a thing scientifically possible? I think that maybe basic telepathy could be possible at this level, going by a theory of brian waves. Each individual has brain waves constantly escapingas they think, register emotion etc., except always on a different frequency, so other people can't "pick them up". That's why identical twins can sometimes mysteriously know where the other one is, or how their feeling, or feel their pain, because their brain works on the same, or nearly the same frequency. If anyone knows more about this, could they reply?

hey once again, i have had some experience in telepathy and telikinisis. telepathy is very simple, you have to somewaht train your mind.... but after that its simple, i have had a lot of phsycic encounters in my life, it requires a lot of consentration, and practice....

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when christianity ruled the world, it was called the dark ages. i may be young, but i can see a hell of a lot more than you ever did.

-dexter (yahoo sn: rancid242)

I cna understand why it would require concentration. Maybe by doing that your train an unused part of the brain to strech across many frequencies, mayhaps?

Hey, you read my thoughts.

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It's all very large.

[This message has been edited by Bowser (edited August 15, 2000).]

STOP MOCKING ME!!!!
I cANT DO IT VOLINTARILY, I JSUT SOMETIMES DO IT TO PEOPLE IM AROUND OR KNOW, AND EVER ONCE IN A WILE TO PEOPLE I DONT.....

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when christianity ruled the world, it was called the dark ages!

Whenever I hear of something like this, I just think about Matilda and the way they explained how she had telekinese....or however you spell the stupid word.
They said that you only use a small portion of your brain, and when you think about it, it kinda makes ya wonder what we'd be like if we use all of our brain.

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Okay, here's the facts:

I'm not your average computer geek or science freak.

I'm not all that great in science, especially when the use of big words come into play.

I'm UNDER 18...

While in the Science Olympiad, I stank from here to high heaven.

I do enjoy Bill Nye the Science Guy.

My favorite subject is History.

I've never divulged myself in a book about Anti-Matter.

I don't do crazy chemistry experiment in the basement (basically because we don't have one, but that besid the point).

I'm an Aries.

I love science-fiction and anime.

I've actually aced several science tests.

I've never made any scientific modifications.

The best character on Star Wars Episode 1 was JAR JAAR BINKS!

I think telepathy and psycokenesis is defenitely real.

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Read more at
http://www.exosci.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000167.html

Possible?
As far as I can tell no mechanism exist that allows for the claimed phenomena. Observations of the purported abilities are picked apart and laid bare by peer review process. The experiments have been flawed in the extreme. Protocols against cheating and poor understanding statistics have plagued these experiments. Repeatability is also a major concern. Many of the “institutes” that research these claims do not work in a scientific manner. They believe in the abilities (faith) and look for evidence to prove what they believe. If they worked as true scientist they would base their belief on evidence.
In any case if these claims of psychic abilities were to prove true and a mechanism could be discovered it would be through science and not via metaphysical or pseudo-science thinking.
I noted that some of the posters here claimed to have claimed to have psychic powers. If so it would seem that you have an opportunity to promote scientific understanding of your ability. In addition you can earn one million dollars. The James Randi Educational Foundation offers a million dollar prize for demonstrations of such abilities under controlled conditions. Even if you were in a position in which a million dollars means nothing to you it would be easy enough to transfer the money to a needy institution. See http://randi.org/ for details.

Originally posted by Shadowflame
I have heard a lot about how telepathy and psychokenesis have been observed over the globe, but is such a thing scientifically possible? I think that maybe basic telepathy could be possible at this level, going by a theory of brian waves. Each individual has brain waves constantly escapingas they think, register emotion etc., except always on a different frequency, so other people can't "pick them up". That's why identical twins can sometimes mysteriously know where the other one is, or how their feeling, or feel their pain, because their brain works on the same, or nearly the same frequency. If anyone knows more about this, could they reply?

I've posted on this issue before, but as the old posts are lost in the archives somewhere, I'll repeat briefly. The "brainwaves" are minute changes in electric and magnetic fields that occur when large populations of aligned cortical neurons fire synchronously. These changes in the electromagnetic field are so minute, that they can only be picked up by metal antennae (electrodes) pressed right against the scalp. Even then, the scalp must be thorougly scrubbed at the point of contact, because even something as trivial as a thin layer of dead skin cells disrupts the signal. The currents picked up by such electrodes are almost imperceptible and quite noisy; such signals must pass through banks of sophisticated filters and amplifiers before they can be read out as the "brainwaves" of EEG or EMG.

Such "waves", once again, only reflect <u>synchronous</u> firing of large groups of <u>aligned</u> neurons. Therefore, the brainwaves capture only a meagre fraction of total brain activity. Moreover, strength of electric signals dissipates as square of distance -- which means that if they are nearly imperceptible just millimeters away, they are altogether gone a few feet away. The strength of magnetic signals dissipates as cube of distance, which makes them even weaker. Moreover, such signals are directional, meaning that they appear differently depending on which direction you measure them in relatively to the skull. This means that if telepathy was driven by brainwaves, someone turning their head slightly would tremendously alter the brainwaves received. Furthermore, neuronal electromagnetic signals are masked by other electrochemical signals generated by the body's physiology and flowing electrolytes such as blood. Things like heartbeat and muscle movements produce a far more powerful signal than even concentrated neuron firing, and such signals are among the ones that must be filtered out from EEGs and EMGs.

Further confounds come from the natural electromagnetic noise that permeates the environment (the static you hear on your radio when it's not tuned to a station); this noise is a great whopping deal louder than any brainwave even in close proximity to the skull. For that reason, EEG/EMG labs usually are encased in a shielding metal cage; obviously such cages are not present in everyday situations. Another annying and ever-present source of noise is the 60 Hz oscillation introduced by unshielded wiring and power supplies.

Moreover, if brainwaves could indeed be picked up at a distance (which is not true), then the output of one person could not be distinguished from other people's brainwaves. The brainwaves do not occur on some frequency band that varies across people; rather, the frequency band is pretty much the same for everyone, and is quite wide. Brainwaves have components with periods anywhere from 1 minute to 1 millisecond.

I have seen this same sort of response many times before.
Basically we are told "Yes I can do these things but you will have to take my word for it because I have no intention of proving it. Nay !!!Nay!!!" We are asked to believe that not only are some people are able to do these amazing things but brag about them only to shut up when asked to put up. Many of these claimants are devoutly committed to help others yet deny the world empirical verification of something that would benefit the world. Of course we are subjected to condemnation of modern science accompanied by un-provable claims. In this case we are told that "so called so called modern" sensitive sensors are no where near as sensitive as the brain. The same medical sciences that double the average life span are also berated as quacks. Same old modis oprandi used by claimants all over the net. The only originality that comes into play is the excuses of why not. Some of the better I have seen are:
Frightened of the government (the same government that allows phone psychics to rob and steal unmolested)
It is against Gods will (so much for being wary of false profits or prophets as the bible tells us)
Skeptical people (clear thinkers) cause abilities to fail.
Some are so rich they do not need the money (as if Bill Gates would refuse a million by refusing to prove he can tie his shoes)
There are many more, now including I want to brag but want my privacy.
Clearly this obfuscating technique has advantages for faker claimants. By ranting against the working and proven establishments one can attract "conspiracy" minded people by taking advantage of confirmation bias. Of course using un-testable "trust me" claims can not hurt you in the eyes of someone that wants to believe anyway. These claims are not made to make a case for their claims from a scientific viewpoint. I suspect that such claims are more self-promotion or reinforcement self-denial.
Regarding Mr. Randi being unbiased you can find that information on his website. To summarize, after being disappointed many times by claimants he has little point of finding the REAL DEAL. Of course this is a moot point as anyone that has looked into Randi accounts can tell you. He bends over backwards to accommodate claimants and finds impartial judges. What he does do is remove options for dishonesty. Also the details of what counts as proof is decided specifically beforehand. No room is left for ambiguous answers are allowed. What he believes is not relevant, the published test would speak for it self.
www.randi.org






[QUOTE]Originally posted by HOWARDSTERN
[B]

<i>Questro of shadow:</I> does telepathy exist?<br>

<b> Yes sir it does exist.</b> The phenomena has been passed on to me from my ancestors dating back for at least 400 years.

I first noticed my telepathic capabilities at a very young age though I didn't realize these capabilities until my late teens and early twenties.

Telekanetics is a truth of nature as you know all physical objects and some none vibrate at a frequency. even light. The human mind has its on frequency called brainwaves wich are released constantly. The human brain functions much like a radio were it can transmit and because of its gelatnit make it can obsorb frequency.
About 20 years ago the goverment started to expirement with this new found discovery and fotage has been released. After all the perfect society would have to be one with the best communication.
There would be no misunderstanding.
Some of you are wondering how to get it to work its not hard you already are using you just have to stop using the voice you create inside you're head that is not you're thoughts because thoughts are neither picture sound smell taste, or touch...its instinct
and hunchs. Although like radio waves the can be distorted and cause mixed signals from other sources
here is a example on how it works,
a group of people are kept in a group with no outside contact and shielded so only the can transmit and recieve in the confinds of the area, there social habits start to blend together until overtime they become as though a team as long as the following don't occur if one tries to be the one they blend to (wich causes distress and spite) or one gives in there personality totally and tries to confid in the group.
But at some point in the example they will be able to judge by instinct what each other are thinking and planning.
As I mentioned before the goverment ran alot of expirments a while back as the result of this they came out with something called project haarp wich sends a high frequency signal that effects the ionsphere it is also has the ability to effect living cells and sections of the human mind I personally believe it is a early experiment to synchronize or minds (not control)
but to get us to communicate in the same language through are minds like we do through body language and verbal communictions.

the human eye cannot detect the colour of air
when it is not tainted by pigment
hence smoke flares in wind tunnels
travel above the speed of sound is impossible
mwaahha!
people also say that they "own" a cat or a dog

if life is a journey on a path why make a seat and shoot others who may want to borrow it

M3HARRI.......DEAR OH DEAR OH DEAR
BORIS... A MOTORMOWER HAS A "BLADE"
SO SINCE YOU CANT SLICE PEACHES WITH IT BY HAND
IT DOESNT MEAN IT ISNT ABLE TO CUT
!!!LET THE DREAMERS DREAM WITHOUT THE NONDREAMERS POLUTION OF FACT OWNING
psychic people have realised
the real damage of greedy
superficial rascist selfhating people
who are gripped in a selfactualisation fear of intheriority
can only do more harm with the abilities of trained psychics
but they dont need to financialy rape the genral public to hide the facts like the cia/nsa/kgb/mi5-6 or alike
stazzi it goes on
there is television evidence of telechenesis of a russian women 40 or so years ago
she was worked to an early death by the people trying to make her perform like a trained dog
though the dog these days would get more respect than the person... :/ figure that...and then look at batterie chicken farms :/
since when do informed intelectuals and social developers waste time with ego maniacs or greed and fame merchants???????????????????????????????????

follow the thought ... and then what... so i should what... life is a challenge why make it a contest?

Peace...Love...and missery to all greed merchants

Having witnessed such events on a very personal level, I can say with great certainty that psychic abilities are not only possible, they exist. The difficulty of explaining it scientifically, for the most part I think, is that psychic events cannot necessarily be controlled and repeated in a manner that would satisfy the scientific method. From what I have seen, psychic events are the result of uncontrolled abilities.

For example: My mother was naturally an extremely deep sleeper (without the aid of substances). She would sleep through anything, so it seemed, even a neighborhood fireworks display that was set off within twenty feet of her bedroom window one summer. A few times during her adult life, she woke up from her deep sleep and made an announcement of an event which was happening miles away.

One time was when her father was being resuscitated after an acute heart attack - forty miles away. He had no prior history of heart problems.

Another time was when her mother-in-law was being rushed to the hospital with angina - a few hundred miles away. Again, with no previous history of heart problems.

The worst (for me) was the night she woke up screaming that my sister had just crashed her car. My mother was hysterical. My dad and I tried to calm her by trying to convince her that she was just having a bad dream but she wouldn't hear of it. She described the accident and the accident scene to us in detail and she kept crying that she couldn't "see" my sister. After she finished telling us what she saw, she held her arms across her stomach and rocked back and forth in a chair - crying softly - searching for my sister in her mind until the phone rang. It was emergency services notifying my parents that one of their vehicles had just been involved in an accident - but that they couldn't find the driver (my sister). We drove the few miles to the scene of the accident and there it all was, just as my mother had described: The accident had happened on a sharp curve on a dark road. The car had flipped over and was resting on its top. The roof was caved in. The passenger side door was open. The car was laying diagonally across the double yellow lines.

One thing had changed. My sister was found on the side of the road - about a mile from the scene of the accident - walking towards town to get help. Except for a few bumps and bruises, she was fine.

How my mother received this information in her sleep I might never know. But I do know that she didn't ask for it to happen and had no conscious control over the process by which she received the messages.

If mom had always been waking up with such announcements and was wrong about some of them then I could, possibly, chalk these few intances up to coincidence. But, that was not the case. The few times she did wake up and announce something, it was really happening.

hey all
my opinion
our reality is determined by our own ability to accept
the different levels of life.
shadowflame...think of this...
how would a(lets say cat) feel about turning in a circle before lying down?
and then ask youre self what is the thing that might influence it?
a small step in a big process that i have yet to grasp compleetly
:)

#23 light; most common random number in known universe

#47 darkness; most common random number (quintessential random number of the universe; random next event)

"Step into the light, even if it means death. If you can do this then your mind has been touched by God and you are psychic."

46+2 just ahead of me...

http://www.dark-planet.com/ortemus/numerology.htm

-Ortemus

"Brain Factory Research"...

Neil Slade's Dormant Brain Research and Development Laboratory
Slade teaches people how to easily release their brain's pre-existing neurocircuits for high increases in creativity, intelligence, pleasure, as well as numerous paranormal abilities. Previously at the Dormant Brain Research and Development Laboratory he is also is well known for his Brain Music which has appeared nationally and on PBS television. A musical composer, seasoned concert performer, author, and artist. Slade was assistant to Brain and Behavior Researcher T.D.A. Lingo, PhB, B.Sci. M.A., for 11 years at Colorado's Dormant Brain Research and Development Laboratory.
http://www.h2net.net/p/nslade/art/B.../brainrev1.html

Neil Slade's Amazing Brain Info, Books & Music
This site is about YOUR BRAIN, how to turn on incredible CREATIVITY, INTELLIGENCE, PLEASURE, and ESP as easy as clicking on a light switch.
http://www.neilslade.com

Boundry Institiute
Got PSI ? ...Many people have had precognitive dreams and successful intuitive hunches and would like to know, "Could I be psychic?" We've created some informal tests for "psi" abilities based on the same techniques used in more formal laboratory experiments. You'll get immediate feedback about your performance, however keep in mind that your results should be considered suggestive, as high scores in these tests can be due to chance as well as to actual abilities. Only repeated testing can distinguish between "lucky" scores and genuine skills.
http://csl.lfr.org/bi/gotpsi.htm

Binaural beating is simulated with monaural files in the following examples.
Hemi-Sync® binaural beats are unique in that they are designed to be complex brainwave-like patterns rather than simple sine waves. (Java Applett)
http://www.monroeinstitute.org/prog...s/bbapplet.html

Brain~Wave Generator
Want to relax? Meditate? Learn faster? Focus attention? Increase your awareness? Try self-hypnosis?
http://www.bwgen.com/index.htm

MK-ULTRA
(Secret Mind Control Experiments)
http://mindcontrolforum.com/

Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research
Psychokenesis which is the ability to move or affect physical objects by using mental energy is discussed at this site. A serious scientific approach is taken here and explains that we all have the power to do this if we learn how to develop the ability.
http://www.princeton.edu/~rdnelson/pear.html

being psychic and psychokinetic are the same thing. Your mind's eye steers you in the direction you wish to go. By slipping in a video cassette and chaoticly surfing the TV channels I can produce PSI easliy under controlled labortory conditions. "Its just a PSI rhyme without a reason." Too bad I cannot turn it off.

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Matthew David Trovato

So how does Microsofts technology that allows you to control motor devices without physically moving. and how does a guy without any motor control control a robot without any physical connection? Of course this technology is limited but I have heard of it in the workings.

Here we go again. We talked about this last year too. Telepathy is possible today without any instruments. I think a brain amplifier can be designed to enhance that experience. Make sure the amplifier is signal isolated at a nanowatt level.

Telekinesis may be possible but only through a powered device.

Recent readings in quantum mechanics suggest that brain operates at a quantum level. If that is true, then we should know all possible future and hence that precognition thing. However again just as a quantum computer provides one result after all possible calculations, the observer somehow influences that quantum calculation. At least that is what they say....

I too have had experiences as well as my mum. However, I'm not sure if you want to hear them. The last time I wrote about an experience, people didn't want to hear about religion. And because, this aint the Christianity, Atheist, or Alternative forum, I want to know if anyone would be interested in me posting some on this thread, before people start complaining. They are dream and vision related. I have had a couple, a couple of weeks in advance.

Thanks :)

You are not the only one Deadwood, my spouse, and kids all have premonition from weeks to several years in advance. I ignore them unless it suits my purpose. For example, my daughter dreamt the details of the new house we bought 2 years before.

I suggest you post your experience on your website (you can get a free one at yahoo etc) and post the link. That way a lot of people will see that. I can do the same at my end. We have to find some common structures if enough people come forward and see what makes this tick.

If sciforum can provide a member page area that can contain our ideas and beliefs that will be great too (How about it Dave ?)

kmguru

That is a good idea, however, I think what would be an even better idea would be instead of making your own webpage which would get like 16 visitors every 2 years. What I would say would be to post this phenomona onto a website which deals specifically with this stuff and so get a greater coverage than say 16 visitors. For this, I wouldn't have a clue which site to post on, I don't know any, 'cept this site. but that would be more of a forum to be debated rather than an information and experience page. No offense Dave, your site is great. I have been coming here for about a year and three quarters.

However, I ahve been thinking about writing the experiences down to keep a hard copy record. Of course I would have to hide this from my family, because they would probably think I'm a nut, which they probably already do. :D Most likely I'm a Macadamia.

hey all
any one ever heard of a world conference of psychics?
maybe it would be too good a target for the soups to bomb?
ok...... scrap that idea!

^ good points all keep the thoughts flowing

groove on all :)

In regards to the question above, it is my opinion, based upon study and my own experiences, that we as homosapiens are capable of displaying phenomena limited only by our imagination.
I have recently been blessed to discover inspiring evidence, which I humbly state, has helped me to developed a few of my once latent "gifts". I have personally demonstrated such psychic faculties as psychometry (also known as profiling and is the ability to gather past information on an object and discover personal info. about the person who owns/owned it ), the healing of minor ailments such as headaches and sinus congestion through energy manipulation, and auric interpretation, though I must admit that the latter is not my forte...yet.
As a matter of fact, there are a few misconceptions about psychic abilities that I hope the reader will allow me to correct.
The first is that one must concentrate deeply in order to activate his psychic (soul) talents. In actuality, just the opposite is the case. Pete Sanders Jr., a brain scientist at M.I.T., and Ted Andrews, an author of metaphysics both state that intense concentration will only create blocks when attempting to perceive or channel psychic energy.
Another misconception on which I would like to touch base is that one person is more psychically talented than another. There are those of us who believe that one must be somehow "special", in a good or bad way (for example, a spiritually pure person blessed by God, or otherwise), or that one can inherit their gifts from their ancestors. Everyone is equally psychic. The only differences are awareness, acceptance, willingness to grow, and our personal manifestations of our powers.
I do not claim to be an expert on the subject of metaphysics. However, I do study the subject rather seriously, and as the question was asked I thought that I would provide an answer to the best of my ability, given my limited knowledge on the subject. There is much, much more to be covered on the subject and I would be honored to discuss it even further with those who are interested.

For more info please read:
You Are Psychic by Pete A. Sanders Jr.
How to Develop and Use Psychic Touch by Ted Andrews

I think, not everybody is good at every type of psychic abilities. One person can be good at Tennis, while other one in Golf. It depends on interest and to some extent talent and practice. My forte is in touch healing but can not see auras and did not try. Relaxation is the best to develop talent in an effortless way.

Thank you maureece and welcome to sciforums. Please do tell us your method of developing such abilities.

First, I'd like to thank KMGuru for welcoming me to Sciforums, and I would like to say that I am honored that someone has taken the time to acknowledge and reply to my opinion.
Next, to clarify, I did not mean that everyone can use every type of psychic abilities. I simply meant that no one person has more potential power than another. One who feels (psychically) is quite capable of reading an aura accurately as a person who can see them. As I said before, awareness of our capabilities, willingness to move forward with them, and the ways in which we use them will determine how talented each one of us is.
As far as how I go about developing my gifts, I have learned that one must first discover his/her psychic strength according to his/her personality and the way that he/she makes choices. Pete A. Sanders Jr. (author of You Are Psychic) states that there are four "psychic" types: Clairsentients
(or as he wrote, feelers), clairvoyants (seers), clairaudients (those who hear), and the intuitive or prophetic (both of which Mr. Sanders used in his book to describe those that instantly know). Because I am predominantly clairsentient, when making choices I will most likely choose that with which I feel most comfortable. Clairvoyants will visualize their options and choose according to what they see will deliver the most promising outcome. Clairaudients constantly talk themselves through situations, whether in their minds or aloud. Finally, the prophet will simply "go with the flow" and will automatically know which choices to make.
Once one has discovered his psychic personality, it is now necessary to locate one of the four "psychic reception areas" (or P.R.A.'s) on the body. As there are four psychic personalities, there are four areas on the human body, which are most sensitive to energy vibrations. These areas are the solar plexus (feeling P.R.A.), the center of the forehead (also known as the third eye and is the P.R.A. for seers), the temples (for clairaudients), and the very top of the head (for the intuitive). In order to activate these areas one simply needs to relax and let the information come through. While focusing on the area you've selected as most beneficial for you to begin your psychic development, ask a question and note the impressions you receive. For example, for those of you who are clairsentient, see if you can tell what happened in an area one hour before you arrived by asking yourself and paying attention to what your solar plexus tells you. Do you receive a feeling of sadness or otherwise, and why. Once you think you know simply have it confirmed. You might be surprised how correct you are. It is that simple.
Before I close, I would like to mention that when first developing psychic abilities it is important to start with simple questions and gradually work one's way upward. It is also important to learn how to first sense and interpret the energy vibrations around him/her, and then work towards energy projection, which I will discuss perhaps at a later time.

maureece howell
i would like to join with kmguru and say a big
HELLO :) and WELCOME to the sciforums.
i feel great promise to read your post in light of
most responses to such a feild in a discusion format.
The input is refreshing. (i may even test your choice in literature :D )
please continue your thoughts and ideas on this subject.
i look forward to your input

groove on all :)

truth, light...
and second sight.
The "fodder" fit for babes.

:)

I guess some or most of you would have heard of "Doppler equipment" at least in such uses as RADAR.
Bat's of course use SONAR also using a form of Doppler.

In short a sonar doppler is bouncing a signal off of a location and allowing it to travel back, this can give an objects distance, or if used with triangulation your location etc.

Of course in recent years the increase in Radio masts/Antenna's has increased the frequencies that matrix our world, doppler's bounce off an object from every direction and don't just give direction, or shape, but mass and even type of material.

Even energy can be mapped in many forms as you cross reference your findings from many parts of the spectrum. This means a persons mind can be mapped in a computer, and watched at any position as the person interacts with people, objects and paranormal phenomona.

This pretty much means that if two people are mapped in two different locations, it's possible for them to perhaps share a thought, or communicate although it would have to be relayed through a mixture of machine and people at present to filter out unwanted noise or the seductive thoughts that cause sexual magnetism.

(Of course if the latter occured and both parties didn't mind, I would hope they would work out some way to stop the "Parties" watching from seeing, it's worse than the end of a bond film)

Long long ago, there was no radar, cell phones etc to interfere communication between man and the cosmic consiousness. I was told that between two people you can achieve distance communication when you practice Kundalini chakras.

Long time ago, isn't as long ago as you think.

For instance some people theorise about the creation of parallels, to create a parallel you have to have the ability to create two timelines by using a method of sending information Back in time to be able to change something for each timeline.

This means that with that one jump, you cause to identical timestreams to overlap each other, but at different intervals of time. This combined with the theorisation of parallel processing from this technique, means that information from 50 years in the future can snake it's way back through node after node within 5 minutes (Of course that 50 years is then lost, due to a parallel change).

It means that Although we are walking around in the 21st Century at present, with the use of these parallel techniques and frequency technology the 18th,17th,11th,6th,1st Century could all exist at exactly the same time.

This means that Telepathy could occur back then through technology as much as it does right now, and in the future.

It is more likely the program (soul, essence) moves from time frame to time frame. Since the soul is pure energy outside of time and space, the move is easy. Life begins when a soul inhabits a body. Many people have dreamt the past lives. Some have dreamt the future lives. This is from my friends experiences.

Long long ago, there was no radar, cell phones etc to interfere communication between man and the cosmic consiousness.

If that is true than would that mean that human telepathic communication would be effected by EMI and EFI? Perhaps we should start building more devices which conform to the FAA Class B standard or something like that. Then we would know for sure.

I was thinking about that Deadwood. I usually meditate (relax my mind) so as to solve difficult problems. When I am in a major city like Boston, Chicago, Dallas in a downtown area, it is difficult for me to relax and then concentrate. The electrical noise interferes my thinking. I can do simple tasks but any higher thought process has some difficulty. What I lose in efficiency, I make it up in taking longer time in problem solving. That is part of of the price one has to pay for progress. May be the building codes should be redesigned to shield people from EMF radiation.

hey all :)

deadwood
kmguru

my thoughts plus paranoia :D

Maybe they don’t want us to be thinking like that?

But it does seem to coincide with "the fewer the trees the fewer the humanitarianism"

thoughts...?

:)

Kmguru,

If you stumble upon my post within the free thoughts section in answer to the topic "canabis" you will find I explain about how the human mind works.

I explain within it that the normal human mind works with an average of 100 Stimuli per second, someone smoking canabis increase the amount of dopamine and thus increase their stimuli through having more traffic. What I mention but not completely there is the fact that I have got involved in something that creates an increase in stimuli to about 143 per second.

This increases the capacity but there are points that information might get lost (Namely because an area of the brain is in constant process, nothing can be stored there.)

That means that the short term memory is effected which is probably what you were explaining about.
As well as I mentioned on another post that antenna arrays (Notice there are lots of mobilephone masts now adays, and I think there is always a bandwidth of it reserved for "Official channels")

So all those antenna's combined causes a matrix of frequencies that surround us, so they can interrupt a persons thought.
From what information I found on one particular site, Hitachi has developed or was developing when the site was written, "Mind Shields".

Of course you won't find these listed in the products section of their site. Of course you could try a Tin foil Beanie but I don't think they truly work:
http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html

Of course the best document I've found which is really informative is located at http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~welsh/book.htm there are alot of references to other documents and papers, and explainations about the reality of equipment that is used in communicating with the human mind, of course it is written about mind control.

It is time you all understand that psychic abilities are not so strange.
People do not want to say they have the ability to do this or that.
They are afraid of being seen as a freakshow.

I am a complete freakshow all alone, somebody wants to mess with me?? Let him/her come.
For I have enough from those people who act like you have a bizar disease and stay away from that silly woman.
Yeah, who knows, I may put a spell on their children.

Man, what crap, always the same.
Nobody knows exactly who you are or what it is you have to deal with. It is not that funny......
You better have it not I guess.
It is a curse itself sometimes.
Maybe you can remember that if you have to laugh at a psychic or somebody with other abilities then your own.

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I can´t believe I haven´t posted in this topic earlier!
What a shame!
Of course all psychic abilities possible exist, but they are hard to prove physically since they are not physical by nature. But I´m also sure that it´s just a question of time before science catches up with that too.
And finds new ways of "proving" "things" ...:D

I have many clairvoyant dreams for instance, and waking visions too.
Not only about the future but about the past and dimensions in the between also.

The night before Sept. 11 I had a vivid dream about giant explosions in the sky for example.

I wish I had written that down here, before it happened. It would have increased the credibility a bit.

Well Bebelina, I do believe you.
I think there were much more psychic people who felt the uneasyness and didn't know where it came from.
This was a terrible deed.
The feeling was strong but not about what. Just uneasy, so restless, two weeks before the attack it began already.
So restless, I had dreams yes, didn't read them good.
I can hit myself for it.
Sometimes things are so difficult to 'read', then there is nothing you can do.
Some things have to happen, that is life, how hard it sounds, it is true.
But this.....I can not say what I feel now, I feel so sad, so sad for all those innocent people.
What does it help them??
Nothing, nothing at all.
It makes me feel so sorry........

Your compassion adds upp to the collective consciousness of the humanity and therefore it also reaches and helps those who can feel nothing but fear right now.
:)

I really do hope so, I am so sorry for all those innocent people, and all the people they leave behind, with the pain of their loss.
I hope they find peace, where ever they are.....

Sorry but this sounds kind of out there but the mental power it should take to bend forks, have premonitions, or have others experiences seems a bit odd. But unfortunately iv had a few odd experiences iv sat in malls waiting for people and iv seen through the eyes of passerby’s or so it seems iv seen my self sitting there looking lost and looked at others I don’t notice. Iv had dream’s of shit that seems really odd and had shit happen to the extent that of what iv seen… if u have some response to this feel free to email me.

Psychic powers are possible, it's just that you humans don't have the right brain structure to use them, but you can sometimes use small powers like reading minds, but humans are far away from complex things like teleporting or moving objects.

Who said humans do not have the right brain? the thread got resurrected after 3 years in hybernations says a lot....:D

pseudoscience

yeah right

Actually there is suggestion that "Psychic powers" are really just people accidentally encroaching on another project. Kind of a Parapsychological backdoor to something else that has a more physical reality. I'll perhaps explain myself more in the future if I can turn up the evidence for it.

Do we exactly know in conventional Science,how each part of brain works in a way that we can map the resultant behaviour of each and every situation for every individual? we dont understand our Brain as yet.So,these Psychic powers might just be another sense of Brain's Logical Visualization of chioces that man could have,in a given situation and which is mst likely going to result.do you understand guys?


or it could be that brain uses universal thought matter or thought pool to see the experience happen and prognosticate on the basis of that.remember akashic records km?...however this is just a pseudoscientific Theory.Above one can be Valid though.

bye!

I have heard a lot about how telepathy and psychokenesis have been observed over the globe, but is such a thing scientifically possible? I think that maybe basic telepathy could be possible at this level, going by a theory of brian waves. Each individual has brain waves constantly escapingas they think, register emotion etc., except always on a different frequency, so other people can't "pick them up". That's why identical twins can sometimes mysteriously know where the other one is, or how their feeling, or feel their pain, because their brain works on the same, or nearly the same frequency. If anyone knows more about this, could they reply?


Some folks did a study and found that certain psi abilities are linked to certain specific brainwave frequencies: telepathy at 4 Hz theta, TK and healing at 7 Hz theta, clairvoyance and precognition at 8.3 Hz alpha, and telepathic hypnosis and its cousins-- ocular hypnosis and "command voice"-- at 20 Hz beta.

But the 4Hz frequency is for the sender; the receiver doesn't necessarily have to be "tuned" to the sender. One day I had an EEG test done becuse of fibromyalgia and the photic stimulation test at the end of it made me feel really woozy. I was on the bus on my way home and I saw a lady get on the bus in front of me, and like any guy, I had a thought about this person, though not a very gentlemanly thought. I was thinking she looked good from the back but probably had a face like ten miles of bad road. The woman immediately turned at glared angrily at me (and she did have a bad looking face)! LOL, I was so embarrassed, but I was wearing sunglasses and hadn't actually actually said anything to her, so I kept my cool and got off at the nearest stop, which thankfully was where I wanted to get off anyway.

Normally I'm an empath (among other things) but for a day or two I was more telepathic than I wanted to be and found it hard not to broadcast stray thoughts. But thoughts don't travel on electromagnetic waves: they travel instantaneously, or what the scientists would call Plack Time: 10 times 10 to -39th seconds. Put two telepathic twins in separate Faraday cages where no electromagnetic energy (other than light) can either come in or go out and yet both twins will still be able to communicate with each other. And yes, this is scientifically possible but only when scientists disregard the singular idea that EM energy is all there is.

Telekinesis (or psychokinesis) is the same way as telepathy in that distance doesn't affect TK the way a radio wave diminishes with distance. It's a lot easier to learn and master telekinesis through biofeedback and meditation than telepathy because with the low brainwave frequencies associated with telepathy, a person's first inclination is to fall asleep. But natural teeps-- uh, telepaths-- normally produce that 4 Hz brainwave state without drifting toward sleep like a non-telepath would do trying to produce that same frequency. But with enough meditation or biofeedback, almost any psi ability can be learnt given enough time and effort.

The Doctor.

Hey there. So you want to know if it's possable to read ppls though and other pysic stuff. Yes it is. I have know many ppl who have been able to also move objects with there mind and remotely veiw anyone they wished to know about through induced states of meditation. I myself have premonitions (which are a pain in the a** at times), but I have helped many ppl by knowing they were in trouble. It's how I've met so many ppl over the years. Some are greatful and some are not. But to answer your question...it is possable...the reason you barely hear about it is that most of us are scared to come forward and tell the world that if you get one us angery you could end up a pile of dust or that through our minds we could spy on them at any given moment...and prove it. The worlds not ready yet and for alot of us our powers couldn't hurt a fly if push came to shove.

Here we go again. We talked about this last year too. Telepathy is possible today without any instruments. I think a brain amplifier can be designed to enhance that experience. Make sure the amplifier is signal isolated at a nanowatt level.

Telekinesis may be possible but only through a powered device.

Hmm, how do explain a mother knowing her son has been killed in a war a thousand miles away? Or one sister knowing when the other is going into labor? Or hundreds, maybe even thousands of other cases of telepathy?

The mind is not like a Radio Shack walkie-talkie that needs better antennas and amplifiers to achieve psionic communications between people no matter how far apart they are. Some folks believe that if we ever achieve star travel, the only way to achieve faster-than-light communications would be through telepathy.

As for needing an amplifier for TK-- if such a thing was even remotely possible-- I'm a teek, a telekineticist, and if I get angry enough a fork will bend or a picture will shatter; food will jump off of shelves if I'm bored, and weird stuff in general happens. There are a lot of well-known teeks who can accomplish amazing things just using that organic super-computer in their heads. Geez, even I can stop an elevator from about thirty to fifty feet
away-- no gizmos required.

I've played around with electronics since I was in the third grade and thought about paionic amplifiers in the same way physicists think about anti-gravity machines, but telekinesis is not an electrical phenomena, and it, like all psi, goes through all solid matter without being hendered, bent, refracted or affected in any way that light and X-rays can even be manipulated. So making any kind of psi ampliifier is highly unlikely. Ever.

Though for fun, you might try focussing on a yttrium iron garnet crystal and see what happens. :D

The Doctor

hey i've got an idea for yall to choke on, or not, I don't know, I'm not an expert. What if it isn't the brainwaves that make psychic abilities possible? no-- scratch that, what if it isn't the radio waves given off by the brain that let this happen? since we don't understand the brain's structure completely, what's to say that quantum physics isn't at play? think about it, in quantum theory, two protons can influence each other even if they are billions of miles apart and have not direct physical connection. who's to say this couldn't be at play in our heads, but on a more complicated level? like, trillions of subatomic particles in our heads influencing objects around us, including the heads of others, and being likewise influenced.

crazy, far fetched, but not disproven! maybe we're barking up the wrong tree with the brainwave thing

I read something once about Soviets performing experiments with ESP on rabbits. All I could find on it was this:

In Russia the Soviets had their own X-Files and much of their paranormal research was done with animals. According to Dr Pavel Naumov a series of shockingly cruel tests were undertaken with rabbits to see if telepathy (mind-to-mind communication) took place between a mother rabbit and her new born litter. A submarine was commandeered, the baby rabbits taken on board, and the mother rabbit wired up on shore with electrodes to monitor her brain patterns. The baby rabbits were then killed at pre arranged times and the mother rabbits brain waves tested. "At the instant of death, her brain reacted" says Dr Naumov "There was communication and our instruments clearly registered these moments of ESP."

I'm not so sure if you can send out thoughts like 'bring me my slippers' but real life and death stuff could well be a fact.

The Soviets wanted to use this for undetectable communications btw.

that'd take alot of rabbits to work as communication... hassenpfeffer anyone?

Yeah, do me a morse-el too.. And ask for confirmation on that last launch order, I'm hungry. ;)

being psychic and psychokinetic are the same thing. Your mind's eye steers you in the direction you wish to go. By slipping in a video cassette and chaoticly surfing the TV channels I can produce PSI easliy under controlled labortory conditions. "Its just a PSI rhyme without a reason." Too bad I cannot turn it off.

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Matthew David Trovato

Being psychic and being psychokinetic are NOT the same thing. A lot of
people have had premonitions, precognitive dreams, telepathic experiences,
etc-- and yet never having a psychokinetic incident in their lives.

Therefore you can be psychic without being psychokinetic. In the discovery channel, they showed some Russian doing these PK experiements. A lot of people are psychic but I have not seen anybody as PK. I tried, when I was young in the physics lab and later in the electronics lab to see if me or any of my friends can do some PK type stuff - nothing, nada, could not move an electron by PK action. But time and again, my friends had premonitions that came true.

I think we are all quantum entangled in time and space in a holographic universe....:D

Thats right there are a lot of people you have talents that they allow to remain dormant. They need to have someone guide them to develop these abilities. I devoted a website to allow those questioning there talents to source more information and to read about other experiences. I agree and applaud your efforts here in this forum and hope to be an active contributor.

when christianity ruled the world, it was called the dark ages. i may be young, but i can see a hell of a lot more than you ever did.

-dexter (yahoo sn: rancid242)
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great saying Dexter
Cast away your mediaval religous dogma, the inquisition may still be going on in th emiddle east but we need not promote it.

I love when "psychics" get together and feed off each other. If people could actually do this, then they would claim randi's prize.

randi.org

*gets popcorn and expects the "You DARE to DOUBT!" madness*

Seriously, I have not seen anyone who claims to be a psychic hold up in repeatable tests. You can feel anyway you want, but until that happens, you won't get the non-woo woo's on your side.

I love when "psychics" get together and feed off each other. If people could actually do this, then they would claim randi's prize.

randi.org

*gets popcorn and expects the "You DARE to DOUBT!" madness*

Seriously, I have not seen anyone who claims to be a psychic hold up in repeatable tests. You can feel anyway you want, but until that happens, you won't get the non-woo woo's on your side.

"side" ?
you make it sound like a war
you may well be trying to form some type of army or cult of followers but that is not what "real" psychics are doing.

I think you've read one too many X-men comic books.

I think you've read one too many X-men comic books.

hahahahaha
yes it's a good movie.
great moral about predjudice and biggotry against those who are a little different.

another take on a similar theme is gulivers travels.
Arrogence and insanity seem to be common bedfellows.

wholesale factualisation of the laws of phsyics seems an odd thing in this day and age given the easy to read history of physics and the current suppositions.
more often than not people do so for a personal reason and remain completely void of any scientific process in the dertermination of phenomina.
i have no desire to change your mind as the very essence of free will is to be able to have a belief of your own and no one should attempt to prothetise those who have no interest.
I am always happy to discus things in scientific terms, however it seems there are no people who wish to, or capable of it, not to mention those who have no understanding of science or scientific process.

as always it comes down to a pissing match like tomcats trying to win something.
i find it quite fascinating and bizar and a little disheartening that the majority of the population seem tothink life is a competition and you must beat another person at any oppertunity to feel you have accomplished anything, while all along
they are incapable of actualy beating themselfs at anything.
complete and utter ego motivation, and ego addiction, controlled by it at every level from sex to theoretical philosophy.

it has taken the last 2000 years to give women a democratic vote in western society, so anything else is hardly about to change in a hurry.

"Is psychic ability possible?"

Yes, it is.

hahahahaha
yes it's a good movie.
great moral about predjudice and biggotry against those who are a little different.

If you call being deluded or pathologically lying "a little bit different," then I agree. Just because you seem to suffer from delusions of grandiosity, doesn't mean that the rest of us need humor you. If you're looking for that, I'd suggest a forum other than a science forum.

"side" ?
you make it sound like a war
you may well be trying to form some type of army or cult of followers but that is not what "real" psychics are doing.

Side, being your side (or position) of the discussion. I'm glad you put real in quotes too, it just confirms that you are as about convinced of psychics as I am.

If you call being deluded or pathologically lying "a little bit different," then I agree. Just because you seem to suffer from delusions of grandiosity, doesn't mean that the rest of us need humor you. If you're looking for that, I'd suggest a forum other than a science forum.

SOo you are running around screaming Cheat liar and con artist.
Well if thats what makes you happy then you must be very pleased with yourself.
everything is sweet for you having a great time...

Excellent.
just a side note, have you ever managed to not be controlled by your ego ?
you are exactly the same as evengellical born agains screaming "one way".
Just like the flat earth people,
or those who think 911 was some type of alien conspiracy and the moon landing was faked in the parking lot of some movie set or something.

but then Archaeology is all about how well you can read a book rather than use your mind.

your entire prmis is to pigion hole people and stuff them all into neat little boxs LMAO.
Lets face it, scientificaly speaking you have backed yourself into a corner that you simply cant get out of without damaging your own ego, which is the very driving force of your personality.

i hope its all going realy well for you.
seriousely, we need biggotted narrow minded people for accounting and book keeping and such like profesions where there is no desire for grey areas.
nice to know your carrying that flag for the book keeping box stuffer in the Archaeology world of anthropology, im sure there must be a shortage of people who know all the big words and who can write it all down like one big life long stock taking mission LOL.
rather you than me thanks.

Side, being your side (or position) of the discussion. I'm glad you put real in quotes too, it just confirms that you are as about convinced of psychics as I am.

Your post history clearly reads you as a "DIAL a TROLL".

What is your other user name on sciforums ?

Psychic powers are possible, it's just that you humans don't have the right brain structure to use them, but you can sometimes use small powers like reading minds, but humans are far away from complex things like teleporting or moving objects.

Are you a non-human? :bugeye:

There are many shows on TV that deal with crime and solving cold-cases and many cops have claimed to use "psychics" to help them catch killers or pick up new leads. What do people think about this?

Lets face it, scientificaly speaking you have backed yourself into a corner that you simply cant get out of without damaging your own ego, which is the very driving force of your personality.

Really? Then show me the science behind your wild, fantastical claims. If you can't show the evidence, then clearly you are either lying or deluded. There simply is no other alternative. So, scientifically speaking, what's the evidence for your silly claims?

There are many shows on TV that deal with crime and solving cold-cases and many cops have claimed to use "psychics" to help them catch killers or pick up new leads. What do people think about this?

Its just a bunch of bullshit. There is nothing psychic about psychics. Their antics may be just the tonic for a frustrated cop who needs a little something just to get thinking again. Psychic babble is what some cops use to restart their investigative efforts. All the psychic does is get the cop thinking again. Its got nothing to do with timewalking, reading minds, telepathy, communicating with the dead or any other psychic nonsense you can think of.

Most of the time its the "psychic" that claims they've worked with police and rarely the other way around. What happens is the "psychic" comes forward, alleging to have information. The police are bound by policy to at least listen. They take notes, follow up on the leads (because if they didn't, and the lead even coincidently jived with what really occurred, they'd have a difficult time explaining why), and then the "psychic" gives a press conference to the local newspaper about how he/she worked with the police on the case.

Its all about money for the "psychic". The offer to work with the police is almost always for free, but the "psychic" is able to charge premium prices once they've had a bit of media exposure. Goddamn con artists.

Most of the time its the "psychic" that claims they've worked with police and rarely the other way around. What happens is the "psychic" comes forward, alleging to have information. The police are bound by policy to at least listen. They take notes, follow up on the leads (because if they didn't, and the lead even coincidently jived with what really occurred, they'd have a difficult time explaining why), and then the "psychic" gives a press conference to the local newspaper about how he/she worked with the police on the case.

Its all about money for the "psychic". The offer to work with the police is almost always for free, but the "psychic" is able to charge premium prices once they've had a bit of media exposure. Goddamn con artists.

I hate using TV as the basis for this, but I have seen shows before that do not feature the Psychic. The cop chooses to bring the psychic in and the cops have claimed that without this persons help they would not have been able to move forward with the case. I realize that many supposed psychics use cold readings or things like that to make people think they are psychic, but why would a well respected cop, who has his reputation to worry about, admit on TV that he believes psychics are real? Seems strange for a policeman to being saying this if he thought it was a con job.

Inspector Edward Ellison of the U.K.'s Scotland Yard, in response to statements by psychics that they regularly worked with them, reported that:


1. Scotland Yard never approach psychics for information.
2. There are no official “police psychics” in England.
3. The Yard does not endorse psychics in any way.
4. There is no recorded instance in England of any psychic solving a criminal case or providing evidence or information that led directly to its solution.

Inspector Ellison had canvassed his department to find out if any police officers had consulted psychics or were able to benefit from the use of psychics. In all of the eight districts of London that the Yard covers, he made inquiries, and he found that rather than the officers seeking out the psychics, it was the other way around. Said Ellison, “They've [the police] been approached, is the answer.
“I've had a psychologist and a statistician standing by since last August, and so far, nothing reported,” said the inspector. The inquiry ended in August 1991. The results were negative.

The famous Yorkshire Ripper case in the U.K. was a bonanza for the psychics, and for the sensational newspapers as well. The Sunday People newspaper asked Britain's then-leading psychic/medium who provided what she said were psychic drawings of the Ripper's friends, relatives, and even his car mechanic. All this information was not only useless, but was quite wrong.

Mr. Bob Baxter, chief press officer for the West Yorkshire police, made a statement about the hundreds of persons who offered clues in the Yorkshire Ripper case:

Many people contacted us during the Ripper inquiry. Many of them were mediums or people professing to have psychic powers. However, nothing that any of these people told us has any bearing on the outcome of the case. We certainly did not discuss our investigations with them.

This is in sharp contrast with the numerous claims made by psychics who said they helped solve the matter.

In 1980/81, a series of murders of young black men in Atlanta, Georgia, attracted the attention of psychics, who sent in more than nineteen thousand letters and over two thousand drawings that attempted to identify the killer. Most of those described or drawn were white men, but the murderer turned out to be a young Afro-American. None of the drawings or letters properly described the murderer or gave his correct name, though many names were tried.

http://www.randi.org/encyclopedia/police%20psychics.html
http://www.randi.org/jr/07-02-2000.html

Your post history clearly reads you as a "DIAL a TROLL".

What is your other user name on sciforums ?

Ha, right. This is my only username on these forums, if it seems like I'm trolling to you, why don't you just ignore me? I brought up a valid point, which you seem to be ignoring.

My point stands, why don't people who claim to be psychics actually prove this? It's because all that loudly claim to have "abilities" don't have them. They deal in generalities and are so vague that when something that happens even lines up with what they "predicted" they claim success. When asked to perform the same thing in controlled conditions, they ALWAYS fail.

Other "psychics" are cold reading people, it's very easy to learn.

Redarmy,
Why is it that most sceptics are totally dismissive of anecdotal evidence in support of psychic phenomenon, but have absolutely no qualms about offering anecdotal evidence when it seems to disprove psychic phenomenon? Bit of a double standard.

Inspector Edward Ellison of the U.K.'s Scotland Yard, in response to statements by psychics that they regularly worked with them, reported that:


1. Scotland Yard never approach psychics for information.
2. There are no official “police psychics” in England.
3. The Yard does not endorse psychics in any way.
4. There is no recorded instance in England of any psychic solving a criminal case or providing evidence or information that led directly to its solution.


The FBI also put out a similar response. I'll try and find it.

Redarmy,
Why is it that most sceptics are totally dismissive of anecdotal evidence in support of psychic phenomenon, but have absolutely no qualms about offering anecdotal evidence when it seems to disprove psychic phenomenon? Bit of a double standard.

LMAO
amazing that isnt it.
its like some type of fundermentalism yet from a name defined as a sceptic.

There is no shortage at all of official inquiries around the world which have failed to find a normal explanation of certain phenomina, and sciewntificaly that means they don't know.
People tend to like to put things in tidy brackets.
which is fine for them, but when that same little bracketing is taken on as habbit then biggotry is born and lynch mobs are created.
i have done that very thing many times, but seek tounderstand so attempt to learn why and evolve to a better position of understanding (or not as the case may be).

there are many social nastys that have the same atributes to them.
i simply refuse to accept that biggotry and arrogance has any place in science, be that phsysical of mental or philosophical.

Redarmy,
Why is it that most sceptics are totally dismissive of anecdotal evidence in support of psychic phenomenon, but have absolutely no qualms about offering anecdotal evidence when it seems to disprove psychic phenomenon? Bit of a double standard.
I'm not attempting to disprove anything - just responding to the claim that the police use, and endorse the use of, and benefit from the use of, psychics. That isn't true of Scotland Yard. I doubt that it's also true of other UK police forces.
LMAO
amazing that isnt it.
its like some type of fundermentalism yet from a name defined as a sceptic.

There is no shortage at all of official inquiries around the world which have failed to find a normal explanation of certain phenomina, and sciewntificaly that means they don't know.

The fact that a particular phenomenon has no readily apparent logical explanation isn't an excuse for jumping to rash conclusions and attributing it, without any evidence, to the supernatural. Where evidence is lacking I'd prefer to wait until it emerges. And that makes me a 'fundamentalist'? Just seems like common sense to me.

there are many social nastys that have the same atributes to them.
i simply refuse to accept that biggotry and arrogance has any place in science, be that phsysical of mental or philosophical.
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Sorry, chap. Credulous nutjobs and the deluded don't get to cry afoul with claims of "biggotry" (sic). You're the one making claims you refuse to support with evidence. Which makes you either a liar or deluded.

I'm not attempting to disprove anything - just responding to the claim that the police use, and endorse the use of, and benefit from the use of, psychics. That isn't true of Scotland Yard. I doubt that it's also true of other UK police forces.

The fact that a particular phenomenon has no readily apparent logical explanation isn't an excuse for jumping to rash conclusions and attributing it, without any evidence, to the supernatural. Where evidence is lacking I'd prefer to wait until it emerges. And that makes me a 'fundamentalist'? Just seems like common sense to me.

Yes i undertand you seem to not be pushing a barrow as such.
and;
i actualy fully endorse the police force or any other type of organisation
NOT endorsing any type of thing like psychic use (assuming it was possible).
and, i also like to consider myself a sceptic in the scientific sense of the word applying scintific theory for scientific purposes.
that said i have certain read some things and expereinced some things that simply defy any known (currently known) physics laws.
the most predominent would have to be the mystery of the dissapearing women, when i was a child.
it was very odd indeed.
one moment a women screaming help help
the next minute BOOM a wall of glass followed by a wall of flames engulfed where she was standing, and there was nothing left of any type of human body material where she had been standing.
no way out from where she was a sheer 20 fot concrete wall behind her, running along about 100 meters away from her.
the explosion come from infront of her
and i was standing on the other side of her (her right side with my best mate on the way to the movies)
we both witnessed it.

now im sure there MAY be a perfectly good scientific explanation, however...
im not sure that current science laws explains it.
myths and folk law and some religions might call her a "siren" or possible sucubus (i have done a fair bit of reading topicaly on various things).
i do not catagorise it as anything as a fact.
just something unexplained.

Yes i undertand you seem to not be pushing a barrow as such.
and;
i actualy fully endorse the police force or any other type of organisation
NOT endorsing any type of thing like psychic use (assuming it was possible).
and, i also like to consider myself a sceptic in the scientific sense of the word applying scintific theory for scientific purposes.
that said i have certain read some things and expereinced some things that simply defy any known (currently known) physics laws.
the most predominent would have to be the mystery of the dissapearing women, when i was a child.
it was very odd indeed.
one moment a women screaming help help
the next minute BOOM a wall of glass followed by a wall of flames engulfed where she was standing, and there was nothing left of any type of human body material where she had been standing.
no way out from where she was a sheer 20 fot concrete wall behind her, running along about 100 meters away from her.
the explosion come from infront of her
and i was standing on the other side of her (her right side with my best mate on the way to the movies)
we both witnessed it.

now im sure there MAY be a perfectly good scientific explanation, however...
im not sure that current science laws explains it.
myths and folk law and some religions might call her a "siren" or possible sucubus (i have done a fair bit of reading topicaly on various things).
i do not catagorise it as anything as a fact.
just something unexplained.


Can you draw a diagram of what you saw and post it?

would be happy to if i had the program to do it with.
im going offline for a long time very shortly (a couple of days) also.

time to walk away from this internet madness and all its manic inbreeding crazzyness ISP lies and pathetic and over priced dodgey connections.

it is breeding apathy and hopelessness.
just look at this forum for instance.
its almost completely dominated by anti hope sceptics,
people wollowing in misery and trying to stamp on others happyness.

the intellegencia have left the building,
and so shall i.

would be happy to if i had the program to do it with.
im going offline for a long time very shortly (a couple of days) also.

Use this. It's an online painting program:

http://www.izhuk.com/painter/



just look at this forum for instance.
its almost completely dominated by anti hope sceptics,
people wollowing in misery and trying to stamp on others happyness.[/COLOR]
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Anti-hope? Stamping out happiness? What on earth are you talking about?

Use this. It's an online painting program:

http://www.izhuk.com/painter/




Anti-hope? Stamping out happiness? What on earth are you talking about?


thanks for that.
unfortunately im too busy and should not even be online now.
will check back later maybe once or twice before i go though.

I'm not attempting to disprove anything - just responding to the claim that the police use, and endorse the use of, and benefit from the use of, psychics. That isn't true of Scotland Yard. I doubt that it's also true of other UK police forces.

I don't know, the way they tend to sit on their butt in the local police station and claim they are doing a job they must be using some sort of "Psychic" method of working while they chew preverbial stereotyped donuts.

Heh. I feel your pain.

Aren't donuts an American cop thing, though? I think ours prefer tea and biscuits rather than coming round a week next Tuesday when they said they would.

Thats kind of why I suggested Preverbial ones. The UK police don't tend to sit eating, usually they are just tenacious, obnoxious, facist(It goes with the uniform), Condesending, Pedantic, overpaid, untrained civil servants that only seem to do something when it suits them.

Admittedly this is probably an overly long stereotype of the whole police force (however not false of those I've seen) and I can say that this has only been the case in the last 10-15 years, as before that they actually attempted to have a better approach to the community like sponsoring or running of events and having "Village Bobby's" on pushbikes keeping an eye on the locals who'd actually be approachable by everyone.

Notibly the decontinued use of such "bobby's" has seemed to be the opposite to the increase in the number of Chav's and unruly youths (Yobs).

However thats just my take, pity I didn't have the bean counters take on it.

pity I didn't have the bean counters take on it.

indeed, when you can buy as much police force as you liek then there is no real need to police those who simply cant afford to pay,
until they become the ones stealing a loaf of bread, then you need to tax their ever decreasing income so you can afford to subject them to a homophobic racist assault from all fronts, not just one portrayed by the media machine and the average tory banker.

george orwell was indeed correct, however the method is a little different.
but hey, im having a bad day andmaybe its just my own perception of how capitalism drives the government services to make them the masters of the people rather than the public servants that they were orginaly created to be.

P.S
the torys now own the government services, which are all funded through socialist systems.
how could that be possible that the right wing user pays advocates are getting all the money that peopel give to the government in the guise of socialist policy of national governance ?
oh and as for the police they are aonly human, which is why they had to have their will and spirit broken by under staffing and under funding to create an atmosphere of us against them on both sides to flush out all the good cops who may have had some small amount of energy left to tell the top brass political ass lickers where to shove their accounts budgets.

P.P.S
Is the circle now complete ?
is the cycle of self distruction set ?
is the head finaly eating the tail in a frenzied canabalistic madness ?
will US and THEM between the government (who are supposed to help the people and work FOR them) every going to be eradicated on a large enough scale to allow progres amoung the low income majority ?
Your gues is as good as mine, only difference is one way costs money and the other makes money.
once all the finance companies own all the low income people then they will finaly collapse,
THEN what ?
whos for a future reading now ?
Forget terminator or h5ny
it will be like mad max "urban warfare style" with continued right wing operation of government services.

lets face it nothing comes for free
which is why all the low income workers must continue to make the filthy rich even more filthy.
or maybe more accurately the middle men who sit inbetween making sure noen of the charity and fundraising and donations ever get to where they are meant to go.

who do you think it is charging millions for simple products and services that the rich have as the only method of precurement ?
its not all doom and gloom, and not everyone is as bent as some may think.
the real issue is tracking down where the worste of the bunch is and impeeding their ravonous leeching off those who dare to make a difference.
many may be stunned at the amounts that some wealthy give, but to actualy know its being leeched off by peopel to their buddies and such like ...
which is why people like bill gates have got a good idea with starting their own charity allowing them to be able to be sure where the money is going.

people like madonna, and angelina and brad, alyssa milano, bono...etc... the people who actualy put personal time and money into building things.
im sure there are others, but i dont know them well enough.

if you dont have the ability to follow and process the system then you cant understand it enough to know how well it is performing.
that is why only some of the brightest minds have come up with things, because of the sheer mental processing that is required.

when such ability is put to psychology then it can yeild results that may well be likened to psychic ability.

lets face it
the main issue people have is getting nothing for paying something...
that seems to be the biggest gripe and the sole goal fo those who continue to hound debates on psychic phenomina.