Is non-realism in painting really just colorful wallpaper?

Discussion in 'Art & Culture' started by Why?, Dec 26, 2007.

  1. Why? Registered Senior Member

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    Modern art looks like crap. But, we have been looking at it for so long, have we forgotten what good art is?
     
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  3. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    No, the camera made realistic art for realism's sake obsolete. Real expression is more than technical ability.
     
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  5. Why? Registered Senior Member

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    Then how do you explain the Mona Lisa? The greatest painting on Earth - technically brilliant - and yet not an expression?
     
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  7. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    To each their own.. I like realistic paintings more than modern art. Much more skills necessary to produce it too. Maybe I just appreciate the skills and work that goes in to it..
     
  8. Xelios We're setting you adrift idiot Registered Senior Member

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    The only art I really can't stand is this modern abstract stuff. Like this one

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    Epic fail?
     
  9. Why? Registered Senior Member

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    How can you really claim to have an artistic talent, when all you're doing is scibbling on a canvas? Come on - this is b.s.
     
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    If you don't like the stuff, don't bother with it.

    You can have the Mona Lisa, and I'll take Picasso's Guernica for my "wallpaper", or one of Jackson Pollock's better efforts. http://www.nga.gov/feature/pollock/lm1024.jpg
     
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  12. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    I have much more respect for this sort of paintings:

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    Or even this, at least there is some effort there LOL

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  13. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    So don't.

    Those of us who do value and respect that painting will not interfere with your own choices of wall decoration.

    I too find those paintings respectable.
     
  14. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    big difference between abstract art and colorful wallpaper is the price and increasing market value

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    cost in 1973 - $2 000 000
    current cost - $150 000 000 +


    no prize for guessing what lies in the eye of the beholder

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  15. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    just when you thought the irony had reached its limit, there's this

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  16. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Side note: the realistic stuff is easier to counterfeit than Jackson Pollack's stuff.
     
  17. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    I like modern art.

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    Realism was never art's sake. It was first the ancient Greeks who achieved realism by making the first absolutely anatomically precise sculptures.
    They abandoned it soon after, because they wanted humans that were more than humans.
    Humans don't like reality. If art was about realism you could just go around looking at stuff. The aesthetic appeal in art comes from careful exaggeration and distortion of reality.

    Modern art has taken it to the extremes, but it is still art.

    Oh, and look at this:

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    Think this is realistic? And not modern at all. Stone age.
     
  18. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Realistic enough... lol

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  19. Why? Registered Senior Member

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    You can't go looking around for the Mona Lisa. That was a staged portrait. You can't go looking around for the Last Supper - unless you have a time machine - and even then it wouldn't look anything like the painting.
     
  20. sowhatifit'sdark Valued Senior Member

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    But certainly not simply realistic. Put the Mona Lisa next to photorealist paintings and you can see how much Da Vinci skewed light and form in expressive ways.

    Notice how different the 'realist' painters are from each other.

    And where do we draw the line? How realist does something have to be to be OK?
    Van Gogh
    Where in Mondrian's career did he cross the line?
    Or Picasso?
    Or the surrealists who sometimes painted using realist techniques but painted impossible scenes? Which a lot of the neo-classical painters do also.

    Are these not art?

    Can one exhibit great technical skills and aesthetic vision without representing visually objects in a painting?

    I sure think so.
     
  21. greenberg until the end of the world Registered Senior Member

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    I like some of Mark Rothko's paintings - those vibrant yellows and reds!
     
  22. sowhatifit'sdark Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, beautiful.

    I guess my favorite painters do tend to have vestige of objects in their paintings, but they are hardly realists. I used to love Chagall - but actually have lately missed warmer colors like the ones I found in the Rothko link. I love his forms and imagination.
    http://www.auburn.edu/academic/liberal_arts/foreign/russian/art/chagall-village.html

    Hardly realist, but there are recognizible creatures and things.
     

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