I'm sure it ultimately depends on the person, however I am just speaking in general.

Is it rude if I just hit on a girl randomly while shes at work as a waitress, or reading a book in a library etc...

The reason why I am asking this is because I have a tendency of doing it and asking for numbers, however, looking at it from an attractive girls perspective, it could be quite a nuisance for them to deal with that on a daily basis, which im sure they do.

No, they should be flattered. If she's really, really hot, maybe a more subtle approach will be necessary.

I'm sure it ultimately depends on the person, however I am just speaking in general.

Is it rude if I just hit on a girl randomly while shes at work as a waitress, or reading a book in a library etc...

The reason why I am asking this is because I have a tendency of doing it and asking for numbers, however, looking at it from an attractive girls perspective, it could be quite a nuisance for them to deal with that on a daily basis, which im sure they do.

Yeah it kind of is annoying, but as long as she doesn't look uncomfortable or angry I don't think you should stop, I mean sometimes a kind word goes a long way. It might give her a confidence boost to know that you find her attractive and poor body image even for an "attractive woman" is bad place to be in.

fair enough, ill take that into consideration =)

How do you expect not to meet women. Other than arranged marriages and blind dates its the only way. Just be a gentleman and not come off rude and crass. Though I hear speed dating is a kick.

How do you expect not to meet women. Other than arranged marriages and blind dates its the only way. Just be a gentleman and not come off rude and crass. Though I hear speed dating is a kick.

well actually the real reason why im asking this is because i got blown off really bad two nights ago and it put a dent on my ego.

well actually the real reason why im asking this is because i got blown off really bad two nights ago and it put a dent on my ego.


Kind of goes with the territory, but I think this is generally how we go about reproducing...

Ladies, is it an insult or a compliment to be hit upon?

It's not rude so long as you respect her and pay attention to how she feels about the situation... if she seems like she just wants to get away from you, take the hint and leave her alone, but keep the door open with a gracious goodbye. The problem is when it's uninvited and unwanted yet those feelings are not recognized.

well actually the real reason why im asking this is because i got blown off really bad two nights ago and it put a dent on my ego.
Maybe you're an utter douche and she was embarrassed at the prospect of being seen hanging around with a total doucheball?

I'm sure it ultimately depends on the person, however I am just speaking in general.

Is it rude if I just hit on a girl randomly while shes at work as a waitress, or reading a book in a library etc...

The reason why I am asking this is because I have a tendency of doing it and asking for numbers, however, looking at it from an attractive girls perspective, it could be quite a nuisance for them to deal with that on a daily basis, which im sure they do.

I suspect that would only work if you're good looking, rich, and powerful. If you're just an average sciforums male, you're almost certain to get blown off. Unless she's desperate for cock.

No it's not rude if you're respectful about it and don't harass her.

Is it rude if I just hit on a girl randomly while shes at work as a waitress, or reading a book in a library etc...You expect that kind of behavior from teenagers, but as you mature you're expected to behave maturely. If a woman is doing something and suddenly a total stranger walks up and starts treating her like someone she already knows well enough to consider dating, it's not merely rude. It's downright oafish.

If she's busy, she's busy. If you're in a situation where it's reasonable and appropriate to strike up a conversation, then do it. If you're in a bookstore and you discover that you're looking for a book in the same section, then you already know you have something in common so you can say something about it. But if she's just a female member of your species and that's the only qualification you have for being interested, you're WAY too shallow and what grownup woman is going to react positively?

Women go to bars with the expectation of being hit on by guys who have nothing in common with them except that they go to bars. They don't go to libraries for that.. . . . Looking at it from an attractive girls perspective, it could be quite a nuisance for them to deal with that on a daily basis. . . .Ya think??? Maybe there's hope for you after all. :)How do you expect not to meet women. Other than arranged marriages and blind dates its the only way.Uh dude, what country do you live in??? In the USA most people meet each other at work. It's a perfect environment, you already know the person as a colleague and you have some idea how they deal with the world and what things interest them. Second best way is through mutual friends, for the same reason. You hang out in the same places with the same people so you're already acquainted. For younger people, university is the standard way.

I met my wife through a mutual friend. I met my first wife at the university. I met all of my other girlfriends either at work or through mutual friends.

I can't imagine doing anything so trollish as walking up to a stranger in the supermarket or on the subway and saying, "Hi, you're a hot babe and I would really like to date you." I know those aren't the exact words you say but trust me, that is what she hears.

FR do you know some companies actually forbid people dating from working together. So if you go out with your co-worker you have to quit imidiatly.

Also im not 100% your right there, some industries for instance are much more insestuas than others. For instance the health sector and the hospitality industry tend to date in amongst themselves because they work such long hours and tend to be out relaxing when everyone else is in bed.

Actually to be honest i would say most baby boomers met there husband\wife at uni:p

Uh dude, what country do you live in??? In the USA most people meet each other at work.
what if he doesnt work?
what if theres no women in his line of work?

I can't imagine doing anything so trollish as walking up to a stranger in the supermarket or on the subway and saying, "Hi, you're a hot babe and I would really like to date you."
why the fuck not,if she looks like she likes you,and theres time to talk,why not?

I'm sure it ultimately depends on the person, however I am just speaking in general.

Is it rude if I just hit on a girl randomly while shes at work as a waitress, or reading a book in a library etc...

The reason why I am asking this is because I have a tendency of doing it and asking for numbers, however, looking at it from an attractive girls perspective, it could be quite a nuisance for them to deal with that on a daily basis, which im sure they do.
if youre just looking for a lay,then dont expect every girl to say yes.

first a girl has to like you,two,be available and three be in the mood to talk.

for an easy fuck youre better of cruising bars or swinger sites :D
such as
www.hornymatches.com

I just leave women alone and watch them to see what they say and do. Actions , to me , speak more than words.

I think it's highly contextual. What she is doing at the moment is certainly a factor, as no one likes to be interrupted when in the middle of something requiring deep attention. ("Hey, baby, I think the way you are performing heart surgery on your patient is so SEXY!")

On the other hand, whether talking to a book-reading girl in the library is "rude" will (from her perspective) likely depend on the manner in which she is approached, whether she is presently involved or open to having a new romantic relationship, her general mood at that moment, and even things like whether or not she finds you attractive. Her subjective conclusion regarding the appropriateness of it all will be based on those and likely a host of other factors.

That said, all we as men can do is play the odds. Assess the situation from our own perspective, including evaluating the way in which we approach the woman in question) and hope that unknown factors don't weigh heavily against us.

I think its rude to hit on all of them at the same place. You shouldn't hit on the hostess, the bartender, and the waitress.

I'm sure it ultimately depends on the person, however I am just speaking in general.

Is it rude if I just hit on a girl randomly while shes at work as a waitress, or reading a book in a library etc...

The reason why I am asking this is because I have a tendency of doing it and asking for numbers, however, looking at it from an attractive girls perspective, it could be quite a nuisance for them to deal with that on a daily basis, which im sure they do.
I finally got what bothered me about the thread topic. There is something wrong with hitting on women randomly. What an odd thing to do. I mean at a minimum there should be some kind of attraction, or what are you doing. (and I am sure this is the case) So right there random goes out the window. But even with attractiveness, I think what is odd is that some men - and some women - are attracted at such an extreme superficial level that it is more or less random, and I think that can be offputting.

Let me see if I can show you what I mean....

You ever see a woman (or man for any woman reading this) who you can see it attractive, but you don't feel attracted. They are not quite your type, or the vibe is wrong. Or something...for whatever reason, you are not really attracted.

I think a lot of men see women like they are fashion photographers. They see a generalized beauty or attractiveness and confuse this with being attracted. They then hit on anywoman who is objectively attractive. They hit on an idea. No warmth, nothing remotely special in the attraction, just sort of like ticking on women on a checklist. I think this can be felt by women.

Oh, she is 'attractive', let me see if I can get close to her.

I don't want to focus on the moral aspects of this, but why not the practical. What is this guy doing? It is like there is an objective good life where you have sex with attractive women and fall in love with one, maybe. Rather than coming from your personal, very subjective attractions.

I see attractive women every day I don't get the impression I want to be close to. I wouldn't ask one of them out. Maybe two seconds later they crack a joke or smile or say something interested or just the way they move and bang, I personally am attracted. OK.

I think the checklist objective thing is strange and not in guys' best interests though they may die before they notice that they are chasing ideas and not women they will really like or even enjoy the sex with.

Is it rude to abduct them?

It is not rude if:

1. You do it politely and complimentarily.
2. It is not obvious for the girl that you are hitting on her randomly...

Is it rude to abduct them? Are you a little grey or one of the good ones?

No it's not rude if you're respectful about it and don't harass her.

That is what I was going to say. I have no problem with it. It can be flattering, depending on the man and the approach.

I'm sure it ultimately depends on the person, however I am just speaking in general.

Is it rude if I just hit on a girl randomly while shes at work as a waitress, or reading a book in a library etc...

The reason why I am asking this is because I have a tendency of doing it and asking for numbers, however, looking at it from an attractive girls perspective, it could be quite a nuisance for them to deal with that on a daily basis, which im sure they do.

its only rude when they pepper spray you afterwards.

peace.

That is what I was going to say. I have no problem with it. It can be flattering, depending on the man and the approach.

And if your boyfriend is watching, AHEM!. :bugeye:


pece.

And if your boyfriend is watching, AHEM!. :bugeye:


pece.

Oh you don't know him. He would get a kick out of it. :p

Btw: Welcome back.

And if your boyfriend is watching, AHEM!. :bugeye:


pece.

If some guy had the nerve to hit on me while I'm sitting there with my husband....I'd be offended. And my husband would be on his feet.
If my husband saw it happen from across the room, he'd probably stalk the guy and follow him into the restroom for a 'chat'. :rolleyes:

Oh you don't know him. He would get a kick out of it. :p

Btw: Welcome back.

thanks, does he prefer to join in or just watch?


peace.

thanks, does he prefer to join in or just watch?


peace.

LMAO!!! Shorty, tell us again about the guy who grabbed your butt and your boyfriend laughed. What did he say? "shouldn't have worn that outfit." ??

Some men care, some don't. All relationships are different.

Reminds me of the time we were at Casino Niagra and that dirty mexican tried to rub up on your ass(tight pants she deserved it). She was mad as Bells, I was laughing my ass off.

found it

If some guy had the nerve to hit on me while I'm sitting there with my husband....I'd be offended. And my husband would be on his feet.
If my husband saw it happen from across the room, he'd probably stalk the guy and follow him into the restroom for a 'chat'. :rolleyes:


Yeah I was like that before, (still fine tunning it) I was pretty bad though and would basicaly be no different from an alpha male silverback beating my chest after I beat there faces for even talking to my woman with a smile on there face.

I still feel the natural urge to destroy any competition but I actualy control it now. Its strange becuse I cant seem jelous and controlling as it leads to pushing partners away, but if I back down and don't care atall It comes across as a weakness to some women and not attractive. So its lose lose sometimes.

Nowdays I just let my partner talk to whoever she wants and go and talk to any women I want. But I still don't think it works because that causes jelousy also the other way around.


its kind of annoying :shrug:


peace.

LMAO!!! Shorty, tell us again about the guy who grabbed your butt and your boyfriend laughed. What did he say? "shouldn't have worn that outfit." ??

Some men care, some don't. All relationships are different.

Wow that makes me even want to punch the guy on his behalf, mayb I have issues.


peace.

There's a difference between making conversation and hitting on someone. And if some guy touched me, I expect my husband to step in.

There's a difference between making conversation and hitting on someone. And if some guy touched me, I expect my husband to step in.

Is that something from habit? I never expect anyone else to step in, mostly because my own reaction will be instantaneous.

There's a difference between making conversation and hitting on someone. And if some guy touched me, I expect my husband to step in.

Yeah ofcourse, not flattering myself or anything but my partners are usualy very beautiful and I know if they were ugly and overweight they would'nt get that "helpfullness" and attention from guys who try to get to know them. so in a way they are hitting on them.

Like for example when im with some of my female friends who are very plain and out of shape, they get no attention no helping hands no big huge smiles and over friendlyness etc. but when im with some female friends who are stunningly beautiful guys bend over backwards to help them when help is not even needed. its like everybody wants to be friends with beautiful people and offer assistance. but they let doors slam in fat womens faces so to speak. So I baseit down to sexual attraction.


peace.

Is that something from habit? I never expect anyone else to step in, mostly because my own reaction will be instantaneous.

I'd be more scared than offended.

I thought of a prime example, today I was in my friends car and an unnatractive woman was crossing the road infront of us, he put the brakes on overly hard and shouted "get out of the road bitch" then hours later a group of pretty women wearing hardly anything stepped out infront of us and he slowed the car with a smooth ease, and said "after you ladies".

peace.

Not if you have a red hot temper and the desire to punch out assholes.

This reminds me of the SNL fake sexual harassment video. It's only harassment if you're ugly. :)

I was raised as a southern gentleman, and hitting at random is considered a rogue-ish behavior. Ok for frat boys, douchbags, and construction workers, but in general, a gentleman waits to be introduced to someone, before trying to stick his dick in her...or at the very least, tries to get to know her first.

I'm 40 years old...and dude, I used to be a total "hound dog". I was always just looking to "just have sex" and that's it. It gets old real quick. You might as well just have a date with "thumbellina and her 4 sisters".

and why is your hand female?

that way it doesn't make me gay. :) I always dress my hand in a pretty sun dress and hat...just to be sure of my manhood. :) j/k

So if your hand was touching my boob, does that make me gay?

If my hand was touching your boob, I wouldn't care...or would be thinking "threesome....buddy!"

orleander wouldnt it make his HAND gay?:p

you would be gay if you were HOLDING his hand to your boob:p

So if your hand was touching my boob, does that make me gay? It makes your boob gay.

How quickly we digress...

Back on topic...

If I were to have a "love at first sight" event...I think it would acceptable to approach a stranger....or if the girl was being obvious about her attraction to me (I.E. the throwing of panties) then too it would be ok.

But not in most cases.

AH but how do you know if its "love at first site" if you dont go up and say "hi"?:p

Is it rude if I just hit on a girl randomly while shes at work as a waitress, or reading a book in a library.
Its rude to use the phrase 'hit on'.

An excellent example of how language is devolving...to accommodate an increasingly sub-human culture.

Its rude to use the phrase 'hit on'.

An excellent example of how language is devolving...to accommodate an increasingly sub-human culture.

I don't think so. Look at the roots.

hit (v.) Look up hit at Dictionary.com
O.E. hyttan "come upon, meet with," from O.N. hitta "to light upon, meet with," from P.Gmc.

It's heading back to its soft root.

I don't think so. Look at the roots.
The vikings who spoke old norse probably had similar notions of 'meeting with'...as in "bring your pretty head to my axe!"

and why is your hand female?

Only his left hand. The right hand is hard as nails, gives a mean 'dominant' handshake and punches out the lights of deserving impressarios.

Is it wrong to randomly hit a girl ?

Is it wrong to randomly hit a girl ?

No, just do it with some panache!

No, just do it with some panache!

I agree, they should be able to respect it.

I agree, they should be able to respect it.

The fun ones do.

The fun ones do.

But then, they hit back :(

But then, they hit back :(

That's why they're fun.
A bit of physicality goes a long way.

That's why they're fun.
A bit of physicality goes a long way.

I guess you're right..
Luckily, the fun ones usually don't have long nails.. :p

I guess you're right..
Luckily, the fun ones usually don't have long nails.. :p

Oh dear, you have a few things still to learn grasshopper.

Oh dear, you have a few things still to learn grasshopper.

lol I know what you mean.
But scratching isn't really as fun when it's in your face..

LMAO!!! Shorty, tell us again about the guy who grabbed your butt and your boyfriend laughed. What did he say? "shouldn't have worn that outfit." ??

Some men care, some don't. All relationships are different.

First of all he didn't GRAB my butt. Second of all why would he follow some guy to the restroom if he saw him hit on me from across the room? I am a big girl I can handle the situation myself. Secondly why make a big scene? It would embarrass me more if he made a big scene out of the whole thing. He is secure enough to know I am with him, and going home with him so what's the big deal.

If a man hit on me while we were standing together that would probably be a different story. But who the hell is going to full blown hit on you with your b/f husband standing there?

O.K,... Shorty, over there, Orleander to the blue corner.
Don't go getting yourselves banned or getting your collective knickers in a twist( ohh! just had a tightening of the loins).

You both have great buns ( and I'm a connoisseur).

Drop it and move along.

O.K,... Shorty, over there, Orleander to the blue corner.
Don't go getting yourselves banned or getting your collective knickers in a twist( ohh! just had a tightening of the loins).

You both have great buns ( and I'm a connoisseur).

Drop it and move along.

Spud what would you do? If you saw some guy hit on your wife across the room? Would you stalk him to the bathroom? or make a big scene?

BTW: I don't wear Knickers :p

Spud what would you do? If you saw some guy hit on your wife across the room? Would you make a big scene?

BTW: I don't wear Knickers :p

Ummm! * making growling noises and chewing at thin air*

No, I wouldn't make a big scene,
It has happened.
I'd be a little flattered that the guy found her attractive but content in the knowledge she'll be rubbing my catbody that night.
If he continued to be flirtatious, I'd subtly let him know that he's treading a fine line, then tell him( persuasively) to back off.

I'd be a little flattered that the guy found her attractive but content in the knowledge she'll be rubbing my catbody that night.


This is exactly how my b/f feels about the whole thing.

I mean what are you going to say if you follow this guy to the bathroom? Hey buddy you just hit on my wife? The guy will be shocked for starters and then prob say oh sorry I didn't know. Then what? Everyone looks like a jackass after that. I think that is overly possessive, I wouldn't like that at all. It would also make me feel like some delicate flower, wimp that couldn't deal with it myself that he had to make a scene and step in.

I've had guys hit on me while my husband was in the room, sitting and standing right next to me. He knows me and trusts me enough to know that I'd politely inform the gentleman that I was married. There's been a couple of times where a guy would get a bit pushy and I've had to become a bit rude. And a couple of times where I was groped. My reaction was always instant and the rebuke swift. It's when they get touchy that my husband gets annoyed, but again, he knows me and trusts me to handle it and he usually leans in and tells the guy to walk away after I've finished telling the guy off... reiterate the point basically.

The one time my husband became really offended and angry was when an acquaintance of mine started to become really full on and was downright offensive. I told him to back off and he didn't. I tried to step further back away from him and he grabbed me around the waist and tried to kiss me. Before I could even draw a hand back to whack him across the head, he was hauled back by his collar by my husband and my husband had spun him around and pushed him in the opposite direction with a few explicit words.

pushed him in the opposite direction with a few explicit words.

Be more explicit please Bells.

Your husband sounds really cool.
I bet he shrivelled the guy's nuts with an intelligent rebuke.

... There's been a couple of times where a guy would get a bit pushy and I've had to become a bit rude. And a couple of times where I was groped. My reaction was always instant and the rebuke swift.....

I can't do that. I get scared. My husband trusts me, but he also knows me. He knows I'm cringing and I need him to step in and help me.
Odd that if I get touched or harassed I panic. But if someone touched my child, I'd turn into a tiger.

But if someone touched my child, I'd turn into a tiger.

We all would Orly.

The dude would be mincemeat in seconds.
I promise you that.

Ohhhhhhh kids are a different story. I turn into a Grizzly bear protecting her cubs.

Anyway,

What if the tables were spun here.

You (the woman) sees another woman hit on your man from across the room?
What would you do?

(spud you may comment on what your wife would or might do)

I'm a terrible person. I'd see red in all these scenarios.

Just checked with the Spud Empress.

" I wouldn't see it ( she's short sighted), you're on your own!"

I'm a terrible person. I'd see red in all these scenarios.

Ok but would you see so much RED that you would explode and make a scene? I mean a casual hit on your wife/gf. No grabbing or anything.

Just checked with the Spud Empress.

" I wouldn't see it ( she's short sighted), you're on your own!"

LMAO! put some glasses on woman, before someone steals your man! :p
Women have such strong senses they can sniff it out they don't need to see a thing...hahah

LMAO! put some glasses on woman, before someone steals your man! :p

* music fills the room* Tammy Wynette starts warbling...
SHUT ARP!
Fuck off Tammy!
I'm a chance here if you keep it it down a bit!

Maybe not that much red. But I'd want to. Not make a scene, just tear off his head with flame coming out of my eyes.

Maybe not that much red. But I'd want to. Not make a scene, just tear off his head with flame coming out of my eyes.

* Village people stir a rousing tune*
" gotto be a moocho macho man yeah!"

Darn right.

Then I'd pee in a circle around her. Just to be sure.

Maybe not that much red. But I'd want to. Not make a scene, just tear off his head with flame coming out of my eyes.

LOL, yeah.
If we were sitting together and and a guy came up and hit on me, my husband would stand up and say "Can I help you?"
If it happened from across the room, he would ask me if I was ok, and if not, he would wait til the guy went to the bathroom and make certain things clear.
If the guy touched/rubbed up against me in a sexual manner, there would be a scene. Probably a bloody one.

Maybe not that much red. But I'd want to. Not make a scene, just tear off his head with flame coming out of my eyes.

So it wouldn't kind of flatter you in a way that another man found your wife attractive? Or you are too mad? would you maybe think that later?

LOL, yeah.
If the guy touched/rubbed up against me in a sexual manner, there would be a scene. Probably a bloody one.

So when the guy at the Casino purposely rubbed up against my butt, and my b/f saw it. If that happened to you, your husband would have made a BLOODY Scene out of it? :bugeye:

Shorty, over there!
Orleander, blue corner!

C'mon get along you are more alike than you will ever realise!

I guess yeah, I'd be flattered in a way. I'd probably tell his nearest relations that.

I mean, I know it would be shitty to make a scene, ok? I know that. I know it would be jealous and possessive and all that. And yet...the male inside just doesn't frigging care. He howls for vengeance and the blood of the trespasser!

...sorry, blacked out there for a minute. Did I miss anything? :shrug:

...C'mon get along you are more alike than you will ever realise!

gasp!!!! :eek: LMAO!!!

Shorty, over there!
Orleander, blue corner!

C'mon get along you are more alike than you will ever realise!

I am just trying to get to the bottom of this.......
relax have some more wine.

I am just trying to get to the bottom of this.......
relax have some more wine.

O.K!
*choofs off to fridge for a refill, yes, I'm on the white tonight and my spelling is exemplary, no?*

I guess yeah, I'd be flattered in a way. I'd probably tell his nearest relations that.

I mean, I know it would be shitty to make a scene, ok? I know that. I know it would be jealous and possessive and all that. And yet...the male inside just doesn't frigging care. He howls for vengeance and the blood of the trespasser!

...sorry, blacked out there for a minute. Did I miss anything? :shrug:

LOL Yeah Spud giving us a time out!!

But if you know she is with you, it makes you a lucky man to know that you have a beautiful woman that other men also find attractive. :shrug: That is my take on it I guess, my b/f 's too.

He used to say well they can look at it but I get to ___________it.

Be more explicit please Bells.

Your husband sounds really cool.
I bet he shrivelled the guy's nuts with an intelligent rebuke.

I'd be banned if I repeated it.

Lets just say words were said about the guy's penis being shoved through his ears to try to find his redundant brain. In other words, my husband was being "manly" (his words, not mine).

My husband is usually a very calm person. But that day he really became angry.

I can't do that. I get scared. My husband trusts me, but he also knows me. He knows I'm cringing and I need him to step in and help me.
Odd that if I get touched or harassed I panic. But if someone touched my child, I'd turn into a tiger.
My husband knows I can defend myself. He knows I once jammed my car keys into someone's nuts. But that night what that guy said and did hit a nerve and had gone too far for him to sit back and do nothing. Was very cavemanish.. I expected him to start screaming 'git your hands off my woman'..

As for my children. Heh.. If someone touched my children, I'd rip their arms off and then slap them with their torn off limbs... ermm the pervert.. not my kids.

You (the woman) sees another woman hit on your man from across the room?
What would you do?
I usually laugh and watch as he tried to extricate himself with some sense of decorum.:D That usually entails his pointing manically to his wedding ring and then trying to make her see where I am standing while trying to back away.. at which point I'll usually wave and the woman looks embarrassed and dashes off.:)

O.K!
*choofs off to fridge for a refill, yes, I'm on the white tonight and my spelling is exemplary, no?*

Yeah Spudtacular as usual.

Lets just say words were said about the guy's penis being shoved through his ears to try to find his redundant brain. )

Aahahahah! Gorgeous, I knew it!

What happened when the penis crossed the brain?

Not much, just a glansing blow!

After reading the last few pages I realise im an asshole.


peace.

After reading the last few pages I realise im an asshole.


peace.

Why?

Why?

Because I am not as good as many guys when it comes to other men approaching my partner, especialy after reading Bells posts about how her husband handles the situations. It just makes me feel so uncivilised, I remember even threaterning to break one of my partners male friends legs if he calls her more than a certain amount of times in one day.

See "ASSHOLE" I really do feel like a silverback beating his chest.



peace.