According to the Christian religion at least?
I was reading some parts of the bible, when I saw:
John 2:15 - 17
Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world--the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life--is not of the Father but is of the world. And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.
It seems that if we love anything of these world, then the love of God is not in us. Yet, does this mean on some level we cannot truly enjoy or sample the world? What extent is the line of love drawn in this circumstance?

A human can't ride two horses or stretch two bows; and it is not possible for a servant to serve two masters, unless he honours the one and insults the other. No one drinks old wine and immediately desires to drink new wine.

Love without attachment. See God in everything. If you love the world, you are a slave to your 'material' desires. The law of the spirit is radiation, giving, selflessness. The law of matter is drawing inward, cooling off, paralysis. If man obeys that law, he gives his spirit to the matter, and the law becomes alive - "satan" is born. The properties of matter are converted into spiritual behaviour such as egoism, 'coldness' and 'hardness'. By obeying matter, humans crucify their divine self into space and time.

Every law in its right place is divine. If matter stays in matter, as matter, it's function is divine, it holds the world together. Man is able to combine these two laws consciously. His actions can be only 'giving', and on the other hand his body is material and lives by those laws.

"It doesn't matter" if people sin. After sin comes suffering, then comes wisdom.

Do not love the world or the things in the world.

One could almost be convinced that religion is the common cause of all things bad with the world today from that one statement.

Just think of all the good that would arise if we embrace the world and eschew religion. Instead of serving an imaginary being, we would serve mankind.

Just think of all the good that would arise if we embrace the world and eschew religion. Instead of serving an imaginary being, we would serve mankind.
yeah but then the church leaders couldnt exploit the gullible sheeple
and would have to get a REAL JOB! ;)

See God in everything.
If you love the world, you are a slave to your 'material' desires.
that doesnt make sense,
if you see god in everything,wouldnt that include this world?
then by loving the world youd love god also.

A human can't ride two horses or stretch two bows

Have you never been to the circus?

it is not possible for a servant to serve two masters, unless he honours the one and insults the other

Master and servant to none.

See God in everything

See the world, its right in front of you.

If you love the world, you are a slave to your 'material' desires.

Far better than to be a slave to your imagination.

"It doesn't matter" if people sin. After sin comes suffering, then comes wisdom.

So, I should go around killing and looting in order to attain wisdom?

that doesnt make sense,
if you see god in everything,wouldnt that include this world?
then by loving the world youd love god also.

It depends on what you mean by the world. And there are many ways to love. If you love your neighbour, you love God. Real love doesn't need to take anything, it only gives. If you always "give", you love God (your higher self, the hawk which whispers the truth)

Loving a pretty girl is magnetic love, it always needs to "take". Without the magnetic love power between a man and a woman, they would have no love for each other. Because it's not they who love each other, it is their bodies which love. They love the magnetic connection. The bodies love each other because they seek God, the unification between the two poles, the wholeness of the self.

If you want to love God in a girl, you have to forget that she is a girl. See the human (God) in her. She's not a girl, it's the self (God), which has clothed itself in a female body.

To love eating is similar. If we love eating, we don't love God, we love the food because of our body. And we don't really love the food (God) itself. Loving food means that you honor it and give your body healthy food. Things should be only used for what they were designed for. We should only do the things that we are designed to do.

There are many mothers who think they love their children. But when their children do something evil, they say: 'Is this why I made you, that you would do this for us?' This means that the mother doesn't really love the child, she only "loves her" because she loves herself.

In all that we love, we love ourselves (God), and when we know ourselves, we love everything. Because we are one with them. The things that we "think" we don't love, are the things that we haven't found in ourselves yet.

A human can't ride two horses or stretch two bows

Have you never been to the circus?

No. But I think you get my point, as I get yours...

See God in everything

See the world, its right in front of you.

I see it, but I see God behind it as it's origin. Why do you wash the outside of the cup? Don't you understand that the one who made the inside is also the one who made the outside?

If you love the world, you are a slave to your 'material' desires.

Far better than to be a slave to your imagination.

Being slave to our imagination also means that we are a slave for our body.

"It doesn't matter" if people sin. After sin comes suffering, then comes wisdom.

So, I should go around killing and looting in order to attain wisdom?

No, you shouldn't "try" anything. Just take everything that life offers you. When you're happy, be the same way as when you're sad, and when you're sad, be the same way as when you're happy. Go through heat as you go through coldness. If you lose your leg while walking outside, keep walking.

According to the Christian religion at least?
I was reading some parts of the bible, when I saw:
John 2:15 - 17

It seems that if we love anything of these world, then the love of God is not in us. Yet, does this mean on some level we cannot truly enjoy or sample the world? What extent is the line of love drawn in this circumstance?

If you so much as love a chocolate bar then 'God' is putting you to the
wayside. Yes, that's exactly what it means.

People should desire material for the good spiritual things they are able to do with it. They shouldn't lust after it, though.

I see it, but I see God behind it as it's origin.

No, what you "see" is nature, what you imagine is gods. Big difference.

Don't you understand that the one who made the inside is also the one who made the outside?

Exactly my point. Nature was made by nature. Evidence exists to support that. No evidence exists to support gods.

Being slave to our imagination also means that we are a slave for our body.

You missed the point entirely. We are not slaves to anything or anyone, imaginary or otherwise. It is the concept of master/slave we must irradicate in order to move humankind forward and exit the dark ages.

We all evolved from the earth and are therefore equal. It is not our races which divide us, it is our religions.

Make no mistake, if you enjoy life you are going straight to hell. See how much you enjoy that-sinner! :D

Of course we're all equal.

I love sex,money,food,beer etc...........I must be very sinful?????????

I love sex,money,food,beer etc...........I must be very sinful?????????

No, you're not sinful at all. In my religion, you do what you want, and then you come to heaven. My religion is the religion without name. All-inclusive. But this means that it's not a religion anymore, it's just life.

thats a good religion.

No, you're not sinful at all. In my religion, you do what you want, and then you come to heaven. My religion is the religion without name. All-inclusive. But this means that it's not a religion anymore, it's just life.


you do what you want?

can I kill people? if not, why?
what is the moral guideline of your religion?
is moral important?

encapsulated in that gnostic matter-hating ideal of John's is all that is bad with literalist religious indoctrination.

those WORDS--cause that's ALL they are. some words writ down yonks ago, and others similar act as a straighjacket for the gullible and unfortunate who willy nilly get such ideas instilled inside their heads. What happens is it cuts you off from exploring Nature. for ecstatic experience...from PLAY with Nature. all of that is labelled demonic by your literalist dogma. so you lead sorry lives lookin over your shoulder, and worrying about 'hell'....

truly as sad as can be

can I kill people? if not, why?

You've seen that people kill each other, so you can do that. But if you're gonna kill, be prepared to take the consequences, the higher self (God) punishes us for what we do. Sooner or later. He does not forget.

Whatever we send out in the world, comes back 3 times stronger. Doing evil things is like punching a wall, the wall hits you back... or actually... you just hit yourself.

what is the moral guideline of your religion?

I have no religion. I just choose what's good and discard what's not. It doesn't matter where I get my source of energy.

is moral important?

ye... be a good boy and you'll be happy, be a bad boy and you'll suffer.

Of course we're all equal.

And yet in another thread you claimed Moses was born of the 'divine race?'

I have no religion. I just choose what's good and discard what's not.

But you do have a religion - you believe in gods.

Unfortunately, as can easily be seen, your beliefs contradict one another yet you still entrench yourself within the contradictions. Your only way to explain them is to add to them, building one contradiction upon another. Any reasonable individual can see right through the facade.

If we were meant to live a contradiction, why reason?

But you do have a religion - you believe in gods. a person who speaks english may not be from england, you would have no right to call him english.
if a person speaks three languages and has no place that he calls home, is he allowed to say i belong to no country?

Of course we're all equal.

And yet in another thread you claimed Moses was born of the 'divine race?'

He was. ellion, thanks for clarifying that for (Q) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/what768/smileys/happy.gif

Yorda: He was.
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M*W: Yorda, please explain why you said Moses was born of a 'divine race?"

In my religion, you do what you want, and then you come to heaven. My religion is the religion without name. All-inclusive. But this means that it's not a religion anymore, it's just life.

You've seen that people kill each other, so you can do that. But if you're gonna kill, be prepared to take the consequences, the higher self (God) punishes us for what we do. Sooner or later. He does not forget.

These statements contradict each other. If people are allowed to do what they want, why would God punish them for anything?

ye... be a good boy and you'll be happy, be a bad boy and you'll suffer.

Are these the moral guidelines of your religion? Well, my moral code says that cannibalism and the rape of children are the acts of a "good boy," bringing one closer to God. Of course you, being submersed in your society of Christian morals, find this disgusting and evil. Oh, wait, your morals aren't Christian. So what are they? Good and Bad are completely arbitrary.
Even your conscience is artificial, a product of society.

M*W: Yorda, please explain why you said Moses was born of a 'divine race?"
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Yorda: Sure! I've told it before, there was a race of giants (sons of God) on earth, they were very spiritual people, they bred with another primitive human race which was on earth at that time, and caused a hybrid race between those 2 races: humans, as they are today. Now, because of this crossbreeding, in the beginning, many "prophets" and wise people were born, because they were reincarnations of that race of giants. Moses and Jesus were reincarnations from that race, but still in ordinary human body.

Since a long time has passed, "wise people" (reincarnations of the 'divine race') are seldomly born on earth, but it happens from time to time, they're born as great scientists and philosophers and they lead a lonely life. Because of the crossbreeding, it's still possible that one 'son of God' is born, who has pure "royal blood" in his veins. Moses and Jesus were pure incarnations of that race, but "the" 'son of God' has been born in other cultures too, with different name and he teached the same things in different form.

In the beginning, those people ruled the more primitive ones (they were kings), that's why the next king and princess is always chosen from the same family, because they had 'royal blood' in their veins. The royal blood means the blood of the sons of God.

Yorda, you need urgent psychiatric help.

No, really.

I do agree with you why should i waste my life weriying about what is going to hapen in the after life :confused:

To believe in your god and feel the presence, one must be simbient with its form.

Self realisation is the universe that you are so strongly apart of is willing to form itself for your conciousness. The earth has form over billions of years into its current state because god was willing to "combine" its conciousness with the elements that are so much apart of its soul.

Our love is universal, we love our planet, the stars, we love just about every soul that is in existance for the right reasons. And because of this the elemental god allows for Concious perceptions to progress because it will work and eventuate into a reason to find contempt in being apart of the larger picture that we become apart of, once his work has been done.

a person who speaks english may not be from england, you would have no right to call him english.

English is an Indo-European language belonging to West Germanic branch. It is also the discipline that studies the English language and is the official language of the US and other less important commomwealth countries. I think the point you're trying to make precludes the facts.

if a person speaks three languages and has no place that he calls home, is he allowed to say i belong to no country?

Only if he was living on or in the ocean. ;)

Sure! I've told it before, there was a race of giants (sons of God) on earth, they were very spiritual people, they bred with another primitive human race which was on earth at that time, and caused a hybrid race between those 2 races: humans, as they are today.

Wasn't that from an old B rated movie? I'm sure it was from one of these:

Hercules and the Circle of Fire
Hercules and the Lost Kingdom
Hercules in the Underworld
Hercules in the Maze of the Minotaur
Hercules and the Amazon Women

Yorda, turn off the TV.

so Q i say i dont belong to any religion, but i also know there is a god.

what gives you any right to tell me about myself. the only qulaification for such a right is ignorance.
your not ignorant are you Q?

so Q i say i dont belong to any religion, but i also know there is a god.

Religion IS a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny, therefore you belong to a religion if you claim to 'know' there is a god. Of course, you may fantasize there are gods, but that doesn't make it true.

what gives you any right to tell me about myself. the only qulaification for such a right is ignorance

Please show me where I told you about yourself?

your not ignorant are you Q?

Yes, ignorant of god fantasies. Amen.

Q
you are telling me i belong to a religion, you where telling yorda, yorda belongs to a religion.
i dont belong to a religion, yorda says he doesnt belong to a religion.

so why dont you tell me what religion i belong to, please i would like to know what religion you have put me in.

Wasn't that from an old B rated movie? I'm sure it was from one of these:

Hercules and the Circle of Fire
Hercules and the Lost Kingdom
...

Well, I think there can be truth in movies too, if you're open-minded. They're also part of reality.

Another person of reason. I am overjoyed(I am referring to WMA).

so why dont you tell me what religion i belong to, please i would like to know what religion you have put me in.

Didn't you read my post? Or perhaps did'nt understand it?

Religion is defined as a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny, in other words, a belief in gods - are you with me so far?

You and Yorda, by definition, belong to a religion because you believe in gods. You may place any label you wish on your religion, it doesn't really matter. One god fantasy is the same as any other.

Well, I think there can be truth in movies too, if you're open-minded. They're also part of reality

That's explains a lot - you are unable to distinguish between fantasy and reality.

Q
you really are ignorant arent you.

Yorda: Do you have any remains of giant people or are you just guessing?

Yes.

Be nice or santa won't give you any Christmas presents.
Santa is not a physical entity... but if you're nice, you'll get some 'spiritual' gifts for Christmas http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/what768/smileys/happy.gif

You and Yorda, by definition, belong to a religion because you believe in gods.

No specific religion. I believe in all "religions". Just like there can be truth in all science, there can also be truth in all religions. But there's also non-truth in all religions and science. I don't believe in Gods as you see them. If I saw them as you do, I could never believe in them either. But God's are 'symbolic' representations of of the self, the forces and things in the universe.

That's explains a lot - you are unable to distinguish between fantasy and reality.

Yes I can, there's a lot of fantasy in movies too http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/what768/smileys/happy.gif

Yorda: Do you have any remains of giant people or are you just guessing?

dunno... but my mum's brother saw one once http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/what768/smileys/happy.gif

I don't know how big the giants were but I would guess 3m... but guessing is not enough... in any case... if they were 20m... people would have found bones... but the giants lived in sahara... before it 'blew up'... i don't think they lived in any other place... and there weren't so many of them...

i believe they livd on earth millions of years ago.... 30000 years ago, they started to die out... they 'died' because they chose... they chose to go to 'heaven'... they still live there... and what we search for... what we want... the love out there... that is them...

you'll get some 'spiritual' gifts for Christmas

Such as...?

I believe in all "religions".

Too bad you don't believe in reality.

Just like there can be truth in all science, there can also be truth in all religions. But there's also non-truth in all religions and science.

Science deals with facts, not truths. Religion deals with fantasy, nothing else.

I don't believe in Gods as you see them.

Obviously, I don't see gods. Neither do you. You believe in gods from whatever fantasy conjured from your imagination. Each persons god fantasy is different.

I can have a god fantasy too. But the notion of a supreme omnipotent being is simply too far-fetched to believe and a complete and utter waste of time.

If I saw them as you do, I could never believe in them either.

Actually, all you have to do is use your brain.

God's are 'symbolic' representations of of the self, the forces and things in the universe.

They are a groups or individuals representations from an age of ignorance and confusion. You may choose to join and wallow in those archaic representations, but all that serves to propagate the ignorance and confusion.

yawn!

Sorry to keep you awake with thoughts of reality, ellion. Take a god pill and go back to sleep.

you'll get some 'spiritual' gifts for Christmas

Such as...?

Happiness http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/what768/smileys/happy.gif

I believe in all "religions".

Too bad you don't believe in reality.

Yes I do http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/what768/smileys/happy.gif

I can have a god fantasy too. But the notion of a supreme omnipotent being is simply too far-fetched to believe and a complete and utter waste of time.

That's what I also thought when I was smaller http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/what768/smileys/happy.gif First you're a child, then a teenager, then an adult, then a giant http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/what768/smileys/happy.gif

Happiness is part of reality - spiritual is not. What else ya got?

That's what I also thought when I was smaller First you're a child, then a teenager, then an adult, then a giant

When will you become a teenager?

Happiness is part of reality - spiritual is not. What else ya got?

For me, spirituality is just another word for those 'inner things'... just like soul is another word for 'person' and God is another word for our 'higher self' (which you may know if you've read some psychology) 'voice of god' is another word for conscience... you get my point.

yorda he has admitted his ignorance leave him to wallow in it

the term 'a pig in shit' springs to mind

For me, spirituality is just another word for those 'inner things

Those so-called 'inner things' are physical in nature and have nothing to do with spirituality. You merely have no understanding of them and have labeled them based on your imagination of what they might be.

soul is another word for 'person'

Person is another word for person, why make it complicated? We function as a result of our physical attributes, not some invisible force. Again, another misunderstanding on your part supported by your imagination.

God is another word for our 'higher self' (which you may know if you've read some psychology

Psychology deals with the brain and its physical functions. Again, more misunderstandings on your part.

Wha exactly t is the "higher self." Please explain how it compares with a "lower self?"

'voice of god' is another word for conscience

If you hear voices in your head, that is most likely a sign of mental instability, perhaps schizophrenia. The conscience functions on a physcial level. Once again...

you get my point

Your point is moot. You are confusing the bio-chemical reactions in our bodies with invisible forces and entities, clearly a matter of ignorance on your part to understand the workings of the human body and choose to indulge your fantasies as reality.

Does this serve any more purpose than flame bait?

yorda he has admitted his ignorance leave him to wallow in it

My ignorance to gods, spirits and other such hogwash allows me to embrace and understand the physical world.

Unfortunately, I live in a time in which ignorance of the physical world prevails and god fantasies rule humankind.

We will all take our first step forward the day religion is forgotten once and for all.

Those so-called 'inner things' are physical in nature and have nothing to do with spirituality.

Maybe I don't have the same understanding of the word 'spirituality' as you... actually I don't know if I know what it means. What is spirituality?

Person is another word for person, why make it complicated?

Sorry, that was actually wrong... I meant to say that soul is another word for the 'self'. Why make it so complicated? Because otherwise someone might think that the self and soul are different things. The soul is an old word, which is still used today.

Personality is a creation of the brain. The self however, is not in the body, but it is connected to it. Pretty much like a CD with data is connected to information. The information is not on the CD. When you break it, it doesn't mean that the information (life/consciousness) is forever annihilated, it only means that the connection between the instrument (body) and the information is broken. But modify the instrument, and the information is once again available, because it exists everywhere (nowhere) and it cannot be destroyed.

This means that consciousness is not 'created' by the body. It means that when the body becomes advanced enough, the self connects to the body (and thus become conscious)

Wha exactly t is the "higher self." Please explain how it compares with a "lower self?"

The higher self is the voiceless voice which says: don't lie, don't wear masks, be yourself. It always tells the truth, it cannot lie. Even though no one has ever heard it lie, only a few people listen to it. The lower self I would say is the animal self. Bodily desires and such. And the 'neutral' self is the normal personality between the higher and lower self.

Jesus said: he who wants to be my diciple must forget himself (the lower and 'neutral' self), take his cross (body) everyday and follow me (the higher self).

The conscience functions on a physcial level. Once again...

Don't you think I know that? But for me, there is no physical world. Everything is 'spiritual'. The world is not external, it is in my mind. Do you know what the world consists of? Is it atoms? 'Strings'? Go deeper, you'll find something... and in the end you'll find nothing... because the world consists of nothing (mind/self) The physical world is an illusion inside MIND. People study the world, but they do not study the creator of the world, which is the mind.

Ask yourself the question: can you be conscious of something outside your consciousness? If you can't, then it means that also the world which you see as apart from 'you', is in your consciousness. Otherwise you wouldn't be conscious of it, right?

My ignorance to gods, spirits and other such hogwash allows me to embrace and understand the physical world.

this says to me by ignoring things you cant explain you are more able to to understand and embrace the physical world.
this statement also implies that people such as myself dont understand the physical world or embrace it.

is this what your implying why do you think this?


Unfortunately, I live in a time in which ignorance of the physical world prevails and god fantasies rule humankind. i would agree, i also think it is unfortunate that you are alive at this time. there is always suicide, embrace death as well as life.


We will all take our first step forward the day religion is forgotten once and for all.as i have said before i dont agree with religion in general(some aspects serve a purpose), but it was actually you that said i belong to a religion.

dunno... but my mum's brother saw one once

I don't know how big the giants were but I would guess 3m... but guessing is not enough... in any case... if they were 20m... people would have found bones... but the giants lived in sahara... before it 'blew up'... i don't think they lived in any other place... and there weren't so many of them...

i believe they livd on earth millions of years ago.... 30000 years ago, they started to die out... they 'died' because they chose... they chose to go to 'heaven'... they still live there... and what we search for... what we want... the love out there... that is them...

So, that's a 'giant' "no" then?

Just as I thought. What's next week's amusing tale? fairies in the garden?

I mean c'mon, let's cut through the bullshit... You have nothing to substantiate anything you have said. As a result I wonder why you bothered saying it.

So, that's a 'giant' "no" then?

Just as I thought. What's next week's amusing tale? fairies in the garden?

I mean c'mon, let's cut through the bullshit... You have nothing to substantiate anything you have said. As a result I wonder why you bothered saying it.

Tee-hee! 'cos it's fun... and I really believe it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yorda and Elion,

I think that what (q) is trying to say is that your beliefs, as you have expressed them, seem to have some similiar general characteristics that we see in Christianity, Judaism or Islam. For a couple of examples, you seem monotheistic as they are (well, I know, don;t mention trinity yet), you involve morals and ethics in your system. Compare it to post-enlightment deism, while this type of deism is also monotheistic, no morals nor ethics are involved.
Thus, your principles seem like they are generalized derivatives of Christianity, Judaism or Islam.

Also, about those giants, you seem to be drawing this from Genesis 6.1 (and possibly the Book of the Watchers and 1 Enoch), about the "sons of gods" (or bnai elohim - lit sons of the gods, or of the heaven court, these same words are also used to refer to the stars in the sky). It also describes "giants" ("nephilim" ).
We see these giant elsewhere in the Tanakh, at um 13:33 (a derivative of the same hebrew word being used to describe them)

Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, [which come] of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Watchers talks about their heads reaching up into the clouds.


As for the bnai elohim, they become men of renown ;

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.

Notice however, that the "giants" and the men of renown are separate groups, not the same.

Hopefully you are aware that ;

- No archeological evidence nor remains of these giants has ever been found.
(despite the fact that these would be some BIG bones, and that we have moch older human reamins from the fertile crescent and the middle East)

- No more is said of the "men of renown". No where is Moses nor Abraham nor David nor Solomon nor any other specifically claimed to be descended from them.

- Right after this is the begnning of the global flood story. We assume from Numbers that the giants somehow survived, but the implication is that our "man of renown" drowned in the flood. Nor is Noah claimed nor even implicated to be one of them .

- The book of the watchers and the book of Enoch tell of the punishment that was metted out to the bnai Elohim for thier mating with human women. If I recall, a good # of their offspring suffered a similiar fate. Those that didn;t perished in the flood.

- Enoch is quoted fom in 1 NT epistle (Jude), directly referenced in a couple othersr(1 James and/or 1 Peter) , and alluded to by almost every NT gospel.

- copies of 1 Enoch were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls.


To summarize, there is no evidence at all, even if you take these stories as real history (which isn't always sych a good idea), that Moses was one of the offspring of the bnai Elohim of Gen 6.

In fact ,the truth is even stranger. Riddle me this. When was the first time that the Torah was read aoud to the people of Judea ? Why is the Exodus story particular relevant to the Hebrews of that time ?

Answer that question, and you will understand much better the purpose of Exodus and the character Mosche,

Thus, your principles seem like they are generalized derivatives of Christianity, Judaism or Islam.

Actually I believe more in the Eastern religions. But like I said... for me, there is truth (and lies) in all religions.

Notice however, that the "giants" and the men of renown are separate groups, not the same.

Oh, yeah, I love talking about the 'sons of God'. The giants, men of renown, nephilim, anak and the sons of God are all the same.

When they mated with the primitive humans, this human race was born. Some of the offspring inherited (for example) their father's great size and their mother's egoistic nature. This interbreeding caused a lot of misunderstandings...

- No archeological evidence nor remains of these giants has ever been found.

A long, long time ago, there lived giants on earth! How long is that? I would guess millions of years.

Like I've said, I believe they lived in the place where Sahara desert is now. 5000 years ago that was a good place to live in. Few of the offspring inherited the great size (like Goliat in the Bible), but there weren't many of them. Maybe they'll find bones some day. Maybe they've already found, but hidden them. Don't know anything about that.

Have you heard of the Greek "myths"? They also tell of giants and also those mutations which only had one eye. They really existed, you know... but you don't have to believe it!

- No more is said of the "men of renown". No where is Moses nor Abraham nor David nor Solomon nor any other specifically claimed to be descended from them.

This whole human race is descended from them. And I know it sounds really 'stupid' to you.

There were a lot more information about that ancient giant race and their wisdom, but humans have destroyed most of them, because they always wanna be 'best'! In the pyramids...

The Zodiak is one thing that was created by them...

Please, gimme a little more questions about the giants... don't you wanna know something?

they lived in the place where Sahara desert is now.

Villain Elder: According to ancient texts, this desert was once a lush, green forest. When people began battling for control of Mana, the forest withered away...

Please, gimme a little more questions about the giants... don't you wanna know something?

That seems utterly pointless given the fact that the minute it comes down to substantiating or supporting your claims with evidence, you cannot provide anything. Don't you see the problem with that?

So when it comes down to reality, you don't "know" anything, but are merely making it up as you go along. That's nothing to be proud of.

Don't you see the problem with that?

No, because I'm not trying to prove it

That's nothing to be proud of.

I'm proud of nothing