http://www.krysstal.com/democracy/display_acts.php?year1=1948


1948



The State of Israel and the Palestinians
The state of Israel is born.

David Ben-Gurion (the first Prime Minister of Israel) had written in his dairy after the United Nations vote to partition Palestine into two states:

"In my heart, there was joy mixed with sadness: joy that the nations at last acknowledged that we are a nation with a state, and SADNESS that we LOST half of the country, Judea and Samaria, and, in addition, that we [would] have [in our state] 400,000 Arabs."

As the UK leaves the region, Israel declares independence and ethnically cleanses large areas of its allocated territory forcing over 1,000,000 Palestinians into refugee camps in Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. 500 Palestinian villages are depopulated and destroyed. The Israelis attack parts of the territory allocated to Palestine and clear West Jerusalem of its Arab residents.

In the end, 68% of the indigenous people of Palestine have been expelled and Israel ends up with 78% of the territory after having been allocated less than 57%.

A few days before a peace proposal is to be debated by the United Nations, the UN mediator, Count Folke Bernadotte, is assassinated by Jewish terrorists (the Stern Gang). The group that gave the order included Yitzhak Shamir (a later Israeli minister).

One of the most notorious incidents occurs in the small Arab village of Deir Yassin, near Jerusalem, on 9-10 April 1948. The massacre is carried out by the Irgun and is designed to spread terror and panic among the Arab population of Palestine to frighten the people into fleeing their homes. The vacated land could then be confiscated for the use of Jewish colonialist settlers.

254 people are killed. The dead include 25 pregnant women, 52 children (who are decapitated) and babies. Many bodies are mutilated, some before death.

150 women and girls who survive are stripped and placed in open cars. They are driven naked through the streets of the Jewish section of Jerusalem, where onlookers cheer. In the following days, Israeli forces use loudspeakers to warn Arabs to leave their villages or suffer the fate of Deir Yassin.

Menachem Begin (leader of Irgun and later Prime Minister of Israel) describes what happened:

"the Arabs fought tenaciously in defense of their homes, their women and their children."

and justifies the action:

"The massacre was not only justified, but there would not have been a state without the victory of Deir Yassin."

Arnold Toynbee (UK historian) describes it as "comparable to crimes committed against the Jews by the Nazis."

Many similar operations are carried out around Palestine by heavily armed Jewish groups (mainly Haganah and Irgun):


* Balad Esh-Sheikh (60 villagers killed).
* Saísaí (20 houses are blown up over their inhabitants, 60 Arabs killed, most of them women and children).
* The Kattamon Quarter of Jerusalem (Arab women working in the St. Simon Monastry as servants are killed).
* Lydda Town (250 killed as Jewish fighters shoot anything moving in the streets; up to 100 killed in the Dahmash Mosque; most of the town's 60,000 Arabs are expelled; these expulsions are approved by David Ben-Gurion and Yitzhak Rabin).
* Houla (a border village near Lebanon - the men surrender and request that they be allowed to stay - 50 are killed; only a thousand of the original 12,000 inhabitants remain).
* Dawayma (near Haifa - between 50 and 100 are killed; some women are kept as sex slaves before being killed; many old people are killed when the mosque is blown up while they shelter inside).
* The Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem is blown up burying its residents in the rubble; the killers shooting people as they fled.
* At least 200 people are killed in Tantura, near Haifa. 1,500 residents are expelled. The village was later demolished to make way for a car park for a nearby beach kibbutz (cooperative farm).
* Beit Daras (women and children are killed as they surrender).
* Salha (105 people are lined up in the mosque and shot dead).




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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,690-5826,00.html



Reporting from Palestine

Times Online October 25, 2000
From the archive
Report from The Times, July 22, 1946
From Our Special Correspondent, JERUSALEM

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39 KILLED IN JERUSALEM HEADQUARTERS



SEARCH FOR BURIED VICTIMS AFTER BOMB OUTRAGE



PART OF KING DAVID HOTEL WRECKED

Thirty-nine persons were last night unofficially stated to have been killed and 53 missing after the attack by Jewish terrorists on the British headquarters in Jerusalem at midnight yesterday.

Throughout the day the search was continued for persons buried under the debris of the corner of the King David Hotel which was destroyed by bombs. Several senior Government officials are missing.

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TERRORISTS IN DISGUISE



ARRIVAL BY MILK LORRY

At midnight to-night about 200 men of the army and police were working under glare lamps with cranes, bulldozers, drills, and shovels to reach people still buried in the wreckage, after a bomb explosion, of an entire corner of the King David Hotel, Jerusalem, a building of seven storeys. The seven stone floors were cut clean away, as if they had been hit by a 1,000lb. bomb from above. Military headquarters in Palestine and the principal secretariat offices, except that of the High Commissioner, were located in the building.



The unofficial casualty list is: 29 identified dead and 10 unidentified dead; 53 missing - 12 British, 32 Arabs, nine Jews; and 53 injured, most of them slightly. The identified British dead total six. The remaining 23 identified dead are 17 Arabs and six Jews.

Several senior Government officials are reported to be among those missing.

The official report states: -

At 12.10 p.m. to-day a civilian truck drove up to the basement of the King David Hotel with a number of Jews dressed as Arabs, who held up the civilian doorkeeper at the service entrance. The Jews entered the hotel and held up the kitchen staff before unloading several milk churns through the servants' door. Pushing the churns along the corridor past the British military telephone exchange manned by the Royal Corps of Signals, they planted them directly below the offices of the Palestine Government Secretariat. A Royal Signals officer working at the exchange heard the noise and came out to investigate. He was held up by a man armed with a revolver, who shot him twice in the stomach, wounding him severely. Ten minutes later four or five men dressed as Arabs were seen escaping from the hotel basement. British troops opened fire, and one raider was wounded. A diversionary explosion occurred in the road outside the King David Hotel. At 12.37 p.m. a tremendous explosion ripped off a whole corner of the hotel building, destroying 25 rooms occupied by the Secretariat of the Palestine Government and the Defence Security Office of British Military Headquarters.

WORK OF RESCUE

In the middle of the afternoon, under a fierce sun about four hours after the explosion, some injured were still lying buried by concrete blocks and masonry. Ambulance men were passing water to them while a way was being constructed for their rescue. Across the road, on the white stone wall of the recreation hall of the Y.M.C.A. building, a huge bloody patch showed where one man had been blown across the road against the wall 50 yards away. Three others were blown into the road under the Y.M.C.A. gardens.

As the rescue proceeds the curfew is in force over the town, all street corners are blocked with armoured cars and barricades, and the town's exits have been closed since 10 minutes after the explosion. Searches are going on in several areas.

The King David, Jerusalem's biggest hotel, is a long building, with one of its seven storeys below ground level. The secretariat occupied almost all the south wing of the building. The top floor in the south wing and in the middle of the building, as well as the second and third floors in the middle of the building, were the Palestine military headquarters. Only the front corner of the south wing was destroyed. The offices at the back did not collapse. Several officers were working in these, and after they had picked themselves up they stepped to safety across a single stone slab seven storeys up. The G.O.C., Lieutenant-General, Sir Evelyn Barker, and the chief secretary, Sir John Shaw, were among those in their offices at the time and were uninjured.

DETAILS OF OUTRAGE

Details so far known show that the outrage was planned with fresh ingenuity and cold bloodedness. About 12.30 a lorry drove into the hotel approach and took the descent leading to the kitchens under the hotel's main entrance. Here several men dressed as Bedouin began to unload milk churns, and one, it is reported, carried a sack. Five went farther into the kitchens of the cabaret restaurant called La Régence, situated next to the hotel kitchens. Here, according to the story of the Arab servants, the men held up the kitchen staff of the restaurant and apparently set to work to lay the bomb.

Meanwhile, outside in the street, a small bomb exploded 100 yards away in the direction of the railway station. This had been placed in a box under a tree. No one was seriously injured. After this shots were fired outside the entrance to the secretariat. The entrance was always under guard both on the pavement, where a turnstile was used, and at the side entrance of the building itself. The entrance to the hotel in the middle was also under guard.

It is believed that men in another lorry standing there opened fire with a Tommy gun and there was a short exchange. Then five men in Arab dress came running out of the hotel, one of them limping and drove off in their lorry.
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I cant help but wonder if israel is responsible for the current mess in the middle east, after all they started terroist bombing campaign, against the british & arabs, 100 blown up in a hotel under british rule, forcing the british out, the british fresh from world war 2, no longer interested in yet another war left not long after.

Arabs noticing the effect the bombs had on us, and themselves, later took up there own bombing campaigns.

israel now having there own country, distanced themselves from terroism, there golas achieved through terroism though, and now israel hates terroism, yet was the architect for terroism in the middle east in the 1940's.



I was aware of israels bombing attacks against britain, but only after watching a discovery programme, was i aware of the extent of them, and the carnage & numbers with them.

I am against all terroism, but a country born through terroism, causes more terroism.

vincent:

I am against all terroism, but a country born through terroism, causes more terroism.

Very true. Just look at America.

You focus on the acts of terror committed by Israel against the British. For a better understanding of the situation in Palestine, you should focus on acts of terror committed against the Palestinians by the Israelis. Terrorism is the reason why 600,000 Palestinians fled Palestine as refugees.

vincent:

Very true. Just look at America.

You focus on the acts of terror committed by Israel against the British. For a better understanding of the situation in Palestine, you should focus on acts of terror committed against the Palestinians by the Israelis. Terrorism is the reason why 600,000 Palestinians fled Palestine as refugees.


I fail to see how america was born through terroism, they fought the british to have there own country, when british people fight british people it is called a revolution not terroism. they deserved to be free of a king thousands of miles away.

America has propped up the jewish state, in my opinion wrongly but at the end of the day israel is responsible for the crimes they commit there.

But after being more informed about the extent of jewish terroism against arabs & the british in the 1940's, i am prepared to change my opinion on the rights of israel in the middle east, i firmly believe now the palestine people deserve all the land.

The way israel was born through terroism & carnage & savagery, does not deserve my support, there deeds then, are coming back to haunt them with arab terroism now, but when people resort to terroism themselves, they can hardly be surprised when the victims resort to terroism themselves in revenge.

But as a tool terroism is wrong, it was wrong in 1948 & it still is now, but if terroists need to blow people up, then they should stick to military targets, like the IRA mostly done in the UK, and leave civilians out of it.

vincent:

I fail to see how america was born through terroism,

Native Indians...

You conveniently left out any mention of arab violence against Jews.

vincent:

Native Indians...
the words that come to my mind when you mentioned indians was
screwed
wholesale slaughter

But as a tool terroism is wrong, it was wrong in 1948 & it still is now, but if terroists need to blow people up, then they should stick to military targets, like the IRA mostly done in the UK, and leave civilians out of it.
my question to you is 'what is terrorism'
to the best of my knowledge the term has yet to be defined by the american courts

I cant help but wonder if israel is responsible for the current mess in the middle east, after all they started terroist bombing campaign, against the british & arabs, 100 blown up in a hotel under british rule, forcing the british out, the british fresh from world war 2, no longer interested in yet another war left not long after.
Of course Israel is the cause of all the mess , since 1948 Israel has attacked Egypt , Syria , Lebanon , Iraq and Jordan . Israel provided the US with the now disproven intel that Iraq had WMD , and Israel is in the forefront of the charge to prod the US to invade Iran . Its that powerful Jewish/Israel lobby which is fueling this Fucking situation .
I was aware of israels bombing attacks against britain, but only after watching a discovery programme, was i aware of the extent of them, and the carnage & numbers with them.

My Father was in the British Army in Palestine , 1945 Dad was inducted for basic training in 1946 he was shipped to Palestine . He was there when the King David Hotel was bombed it was a deliberate act of terror committed against the wives and children of British servicemen serving in Palestine to upset and drive down moral of these soldiers. Menachem Begin was the sociopathic mind behind this outrage and was unrepentant . Also another incident which sticks in Dads mind is the incident where Jewish terrorists kidnapped to 16 year old British soldiers from the education corp , these fuckers lynched them and strung their bodies up in an orange grove . The king hit was that they booby trapped their bodies so when they were cut down the persons attending the soldiers they also died . Another trick was filling condoms with nitro-glycerine and tying it to the inside of a toilet cistern tank , when the unsuspecting British soldier pulled the chain , well he was decapitated .

In 1942 these wankers assassinated Lord Monaghan the British administrator for Palestine , as well as Count Bernadotte the Swedish UN ambassador to Palestine . My Father said what got them the most was that British soldiers were fighting to save them from the gas chambers throughout the war and they were treated like this . And to this day Dad always says “ The Jews were the terrorists back then , and they are still the terrorists today “ , and that’s no bullshit .
I am against all terroism, but a country born through terroism, causes more terroism.
Jenin ……………

You are fucking deluded.


...The local Jews gave me a detailed description of how the tragedy had started. The pogrom began on the afternoon of Thursday, August 29, [1929-SG] and was carried out by Arabs from Safed and from the nearby villages, armed with weapons and tins of kerosene. Advancing on the street of the Sefardi Jews from Kfar Meron and Ein Zeitim, they looted and set fire to houses, urging each other on to continue with the killing. They slaughtered the schoolteacher, Aphriat, together with his wife and mother, and cut the lawyer, Toledano, to pieces with their knives. Bursting into the orphanages, they smashed the children's heads and cut off their hands. I myself saw the victims. Yitshak Mammon, a native of Safed who lived with an Arab family, was murdered with indescribable brutality: he was stabbed again and again, until his body became a bloody sieve, and then he was trampled to death. Throughout the whole pogrom the police did not fire a single shot. The British police commander, Farradav, walked up and down the main street of the town, where everything was quiet, and did not go down to the scene of the massacre (http://www.adl.org/ISRAEL/Record/david_hacohen.asp)...

The Anti Defamation League of Bnai Brith, hardly an unbiased source.

They are a civil rights oganization which seeks to end all criticism of Israeli policies and Zionism. They are also very anti-Arab and anti-Muslim.

Peace.

For seven days in 1929, 19 years before the state of Israel was born, Arab mobs (http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-ratzlav-katz082302.asp) terrorized communities throughout the land of Israel, killing 133 Jews and injuring more than 300. Jerusalem, Motza, Hebron, Safed, Haifa, Tel Aviv, Jaffa, and other parts of the country were the scenes of severe anti-Semitic attacks. The ancient city of Hebron, home to the Cave of the Patriarchs, suffered the worst violence. Sixty-seven Jews were killed by hundreds of their Arab neighbors in the space of one day — the Jewish Sabbath. The homes where Jews thought they could find safety, including that of Eliezer Dan Slonim, the sole Jewish member of the Hebron Municipal Council and a friend to local Arab elders, became slaughterhouses. In Slonim's home alone, 22 people were murdered that day, including his wife and two young children. After the massacre, in a perverse inversion of morality, the British mandatory authorities exiled the Jewish survivors to Jerusalem, ending a 3,000-year-old Jewish presence in Hebron. That presence was only renewed in 1967, with the Israeli takeover of Judea and Samaria (the "West Bank").

But the 1929 pogroms were not the first incidence of Arab bloodletting in the land of Israel. In 1921, Arab gangs attacked Jews in Jaffa, Rehovot, Petah Tikva, and other Jewish towns. Forty-seven Jews were killed and over 140 were wounded. The Haycraft Commission, appointed by the British government to investigate the events, concluded:

The racial strife was begun by the Arabs, and rapidly developed into a conflict of great violence between Arabs and Jews, in which the Arab majority, who were generally the aggressors, inflicted most of the casualties… an already acute anti-Jewish feeling extended it into an anti-Jewish riot. A large part of the Muslim and Christian communities condoned it, although they did not encourage violence. While certain of the educated Arabs appear to have incited the mob… unfounded stories of provocation were believed and acted upon without any effort being made to verify them.

Of course Israel is the cause of all the mess , since 1948 Israel has attacked Egypt , Syria , Lebanon , Iraq and Jordan . Israel provided the US with the now disproven intel that Iraq had WMD , and Israel is in the forefront of the charge to prod the US to invade Iran . Its that powerful Jewish/Israel lobby which is fueling this Fucking situation .


My Father was in the British Army in Palestine , 1945 Dad was inducted for basic training in 1946 he was shipped to Palestine . He was there when the King David Hotel was bombed it was a deliberate act of terror committed against the wives and children of British servicemen serving in Palestine to upset and drive down moral of these soldiers. Menachem Begin was the sociopathic mind behind this outrage and was unrepentant . Also another incident which sticks in Dads mind is the incident where Jewish terrorists kidnapped to 16 year old British soldiers from the education corp , these fuckers lynched them and strung their bodies up in an orange grove . The king hit was that they booby trapped their bodies so when they were cut down the persons attending the soldiers they also died . Another trick was filling condoms with nitro-glycerine and tying it to the inside of a toilet cistern tank , when the unsuspecting British soldier pulled the chain , well he was decapitated .

In 1942 these wankers assassinated Lord Monaghan the British administrator for Palestine , as well as Count Bernadotte the Swedish UN ambassador to Palestine . My Father said what got them the most was that British soldiers were fighting to save them from the gas chambers throughout the war and they were treated like this . And to this day Dad always says “ The Jews were the terrorists back then , and they are still the terrorists today “ , and that’s no bullshit .

Jenin ……………


I really can not argue a case against your point, you say your dad was there i believe you, if i had witnessed what he did, or other british soldiers witnessed there, i would leave with the same views on the jewish state too.

I was sickened by that discovery programme on the jewish state, and there mindless bombing attacks on british soldiers & arabs, considering we were the original country who spotted hitler as a loony, & declared war on him helping to save many jewish lives, and only 1 or 3 years later they repay our battle worn young soldiers with more bombs, i watched it in disbelief at these sadistic thugs.

For a people who were victims in germany in there millions to lash out in such a way against a country that helped to free them is ridiculous.

If anybody had a right to be upset about the british being in palestine, it was the arabs, it was there country, the jews & the brits were the invaders.

My question would be just who armed the jews then, i assume knowing those bombs would be used against the brits & arabs, it must have been a foreign government.



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There is a jewish british MP ex government minister gerald kaufman

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:ZzZz4Iq86HwJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Bernard_Kaufman+gerald+kaufman+israel&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=4&ie=UTF-8


http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1259087,00.html


gerald Kaufman, who is himself Jewish [3], is a leading member of Poale Zion, an international Zionist-socialist Jewish group affiliated to the Labour party in Britain. Nonetheless, he has become one of the leading Jewish critics of Israel. He frequently accused Sharon's government of having a poor human rights record, and of failing to solve the security problems faced by both Israelis and Palestinians. Kaufman has called for economic sanctions and an arms ban against Israel, citing the success of such measures against apartheid South Africa[4]. He has called Israel a 'pariah' [5], and Sharon a 'war criminal' [6]. Moreover he spoke at a 2002 conference of the Zayed Centre for co-Ordination and Follow-up, an organisation whose website was subsequently banned and closed for its anti-Semitism. In 2002 he created a BBC televison documentary, The End of the Affair, where he characterised his own Jewish upbringing in the nicely-wrought antithesis 'orthodox, but loving', and in which he risked further allegations of anti-Semitism when he referred to orthodox Jews as 'infesting' Jerusalem, and suggested that Israel might be ready to commit mass suicide by detonating an atomic bomb [7].

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The jewish british MP ex government minister gerald kaufmanm may well be right sanctions is the way forward with israel, thay have been hiding in america's pockets for long enough.

I remember watching gerald kaufmanm in a bbc documentary a view years back, jewish government officials refused to talk to him, as he went back to israel to do a show on basically sharon, a war criminal as he put it.

For seven days in 1929, 19 years before the state of Israel was born, Arab mobs (http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-ratzlav-katz082302.asp) terrorized communities throughout the land of Israel, killing 133 Jews and injuring more than 300.


I read your link but i saw no mention of arab bombing attacks before israel started them in the 1940's, just riots & killings, which can be part of any country during revolution or whatever.

Terroism most people would say is about bombs not riots, i wanted to know is israel the architect for terroist bombings, the massive numbers of deaths from jewish terroist bombs in the 1940's would suggest they are the father of terriost bombing in the middle east, just as sri lankans tamil tigers are the architects for human suicide bombers, i dont rule japan into that equation, they were following a blind faith to a emperor, and they were in planes, they were not walking bombs.

You conveniently left out any mention of arab violence against Jews.

Those conflicts have been there since the beginning of time, and you're cleverly trying to insinuate that the Muslims (Jews are arabs too, in case you didn't know) "started" it.

YES... the jews are responsible... for not driving out all the palastinians 40 years ago.... instead... they let them all stay... and fester in anger.

they wanted a jewish state... but they settled for a democracy cause they didnt have the balls.

-MT

I'm amazed that the British even tolerated the Zionist bastards. I think that they felt some residual guilt for what happened under King Edward I. Then again, it wasn't unusual for the European Jews to be kicked out of their adopted homeland. The European Jew always seemed adept at pissing other people off.

vincent:

Native Indians...
Aboriginals

YES... the jews are responsible... for not driving out all the palastinians 40 years ago...

you've made a good point. why didn't they finish the job they started in '48?

Sock Puppet:

Aboriginals

And who exactly did that... Australians, or the British? Killing off the natives was a typical British method of operation.

Then again, it wasn't unusual for the European Jews to be kicked out of their adopted homeland. The European Jew always seemed adept at pissing other people off.
Translation: "They deserve whatever they get."

Anti-Semite.

Sock Puppet:

And who exactly did that... Australians, or the British? Killing off the natives was a typical British method of operation.

Oh my bad I was thinking that Australia was apart of the commonwealth. I didn't realize that the british went to australia displaced or killed the aboriginals and then returned to britain.

Those conflicts have been there since the beginning of time, and you're cleverly trying to insinuate that the Muslims (Jews are arabs too, in case you didn't know) "started" it.
I am not, but thank you for insinuating that I'm clever. Actually, I think it was a case of culture clash. With few residents in the area initially, an increasing population of immigrants, both Jewish and Muslim arab, led to increasing friction between these two dogmatic cultures. In other words, it was mutual, and like two bickering children, they should be separated until they calm down.

You are fucking deluded.
That wasnt a fucking pogrom it was a series of riots over a period of the month of August in which 133 jews were killed and 116 Palestinians were killed a fact you deliberately left out . And most of the dead were shot by British policemen attempting to stop the viloence .
1929 - The riots (http://www.palestinehistory.com/time1900.htm#1929)
In August 1929, the century's first large-scale attack on Jews by Arabs rocked Jerusalem. The riots, in which Palestinians killed 133 Jews and suffered 116 deaths. Mostly inflicted by British troops were sparked by a dispute over use of the Western Wall of Al-Aqsa Mosque ( this site is sacred to Muslims, but Jews claimed it is the remaining of jews temple all studies shows clearly that the wall is from the Islamic ages and it is part of al-Aqsa Mosque). But the roots of the violence lay deeper in Arab fears of the burgeoning Zionist movement, which aimed to make at least part of British-administered Palestine a Jewish state.

Whatever, if you can do it, so can I. You say riot, I say pogrom, you say suicide bomb, I say missile attack, it's like a hilarious episode of the odd couple. It'll all work out in the end with a big laugh before the credits roll.

Whatever, if you can do it, so can I. You say riot, I say pogrom, you say suicide bomb, I say missile attack, it's like a hilarious episode of the odd couple. It'll all work out in the end with a big laugh before the credits roll.
What are you talking about ? This event you fitted up as a spontaneous pogrom against Jews in fact seethed for months with provocations on both sides . Eventually in that month of August it erupted into violence with a similar deathtoll on both sides , with the British Palestine police hitting both sides .

A pogrom as in the true sense of the word as practiced in Europe would see a one sided deathtoll of just Jews with protection from the authorities . In this case it was simply a clash of 2 very different sides with both sides suffering similar casualties . Yet you and others deceptively paint this event as an Arab act of mass murder and plunder against the Jews . The fact is the Palestinians are the defenceless and innocent human victims in this terrible saga of Zionism and the theocratic colonization of there nation .

Translation: if you're gonna be a guest, don't piss off your hosts ;)

OK, it was only a massacre and a riot. The trouble is you never acknowledge arab violence except to justify it. Face it, their violence is the same kind of thing spawned by the recent cartoon controversy, rigid intolerance caused by their rigid religion. Judaism is also somewhat rigid, but they have had to cultivate tolerance and multiculturalism, which the arabs seem to lack completely.

The Jews weren't guests they were residents, and the arabs weren't hosts.

spidergoat:

The Jews weren't guests they were residents,

LOL. The European Jews WERE guests, no matter how much you try to spin it.

my question to you is 'what is terrorism'
to the best of my knowledge the term has yet to be defined by the american courts

lets see now 'what is as terrorist as defined by Amercian courts?'

well surely the answer is:...

terrorist = anyone with something America wants and who doesn't have the means to retaliate efficiently when America starts bullying them.

spidergoat:

LOL. The European Jews WERE guests, no matter how much you try to spin it.
Guests implies that they were there only due to the grace of resident arabs, which is bullshit. Jews had been living there for centuries, and it was no less appropriate for them to settle there than the thousands of arabs that arrived as immigrants during the same period.

OK, it was only a massacre and a riot.
This event was a riot with a loss of life , such as the 75 dead in the 1992 L.A riots , it wasn’t even a massacre . You deceitfully and deliberately left out the fact that 116 Palestinian human beings also died in those riots . You did this dishonestly to portray this event as an act of an Anti-Semitism .
The trouble is you never acknowledge arab violence except to justify it.
I acknowledge Palestinian violence as defence because in their case they have had a major wrong committed against them . And justify Palestinian violence as an act of liberation against an anti-human philosophy Zionism and as such like apartheid must be resisted by all means necessary .
Face it, their violence is the same kind of thing spawned by the recent cartoon controversy, rigid intolerance caused by their rigid religion.
The recent cartoon controversy was sparked by a rightwing xenophobic Danish newspaper which decided to deliberately publish these images and fan the flames within the Danish Moslem community when no reaction was seen .
Judaism is also somewhat rigid, but they have had to cultivate tolerance and multiculturalism, which the arabs seem to lack completely.
Such as creating a Jewish state which only allows Jews the right of return , Jews believing they are a chosen people very tolerant .
The Jews weren't guests they were residents, and the arabs weren't hosts.
Jewish immigration began in 1890 leading to the eventual seizure of the Palestinian nation to implant by force a racist Zionist colony . Those who claim to be Jews in Palestine are simply colonists .

using the "chosen people" argument again, brian fuhrer?

again, i repeat myself to anyone that hasnt read it when i posted it before:

"chosen people of g-d" means that they have a greater responsibility toward humanitarian goodwill, and the spreading of knowledge. thats all.
it does NOT mean that jews think they are above anyone else. if anything, it means that they do the shitty job of being the teachers to a bunch of backward fucks like brian hemmler foley on how to be decent human beings.

does the israeli government represent judaism in any way? fuck no.

spidergoat:

Guests implies that they were there only due to the grace of resident arabs, which is bullshit.

Well, actually, it's NOT bullshit, kid.


Jews had been living there for centuries,

Wrong again, kid. The vast majority of the European Jews hadn't even been living there for 20 years.


and it was no less appropriate for them to settle there than the thousands of arabs that arrived as immigrants during the same period.

Sure thing, kid. I mean, the simple fact that the European Jewish trash wasn't welcome, whereas immigrating Arabs were, doesn't mean anything. After all, the native inhabitants don't have a say in who immigrates into their country, right? Hey, I have a sudden urge to move to America. I guess I'll just pack my bags, travel to America, kick some current Americans out of their homes, and set up shop. After all, Americans don't have a say in who comes to America...

The King David Hotel was what you might call old fashioned, 'polite' terrorism by today's standards. The British were warned before hand which suggests that the Irgun was trying to minimise loss of lives. The main goal was making a statement.

9/11, etc. are examples of 'impolite' terrorism, since their main goal is killing people.

The fact is the Palestinians are the defenceless and innocent human victims
Gee, that kind of view is easy to debate with... :rolleyes:

Human? Yep.
Defenceless? Not all of them, obviously, otherwise no Israelis would be dead, hmm?
Innocent? Nobody is innocent once you start killing back.
Victims? Both sides are victims of the situation.

The King David Hotel was what you might call old fashioned, 'polite' terrorism by today's standards. The British were warned before hand which suggests that the Irgun was trying to minimise loss of lives. The main goal was making a statement.

9/11, etc. are examples of 'impolite' terrorism, since their main goal is killing people.
"'polite' terrorism"
What a 100 dead, thats what a 35th of the world trade casualities, i call that a terroist biggy, & considering we had spent the previous 8 years fighting a war that help free them, i find there thankyou to us rather poisonous.

i have lived in israel for 5 months, 12 years ago, i found jewish people the strangest i have ever met, i went there with a good opinion of jews & a bad opinion of arabs, mainly from news reports.

I left there thinking how above everbody the jews think they are, arrogance would be a under statement, they are very unfriendly & i left feeling like a alien who just visited a earth colony.

I did get on with the arabs, they were warm friendly & i often had tea with arab bedouins.

vincent.....

i agree with you fully. the main problem, is that israelis live in an isolated bubble of self importance...that is why they dont stop their government from murdering innocent palestinians.

edit: im not saying that all palestinians are innocent....but alot of the casualties arent any different than you or i (just living life with the hand they are dealt). i do not apologize for extremists, only the innocents that are ALWAYS caught in the middle of a turd sandwich and a giant douche.

This one guy went to the Holy Land and felt like a dog. It's one thing to read about the ancient Israelites in the bible and another to actually see those supremacist type beliefs in person.

But, many people here have far too much hatred for Israel...