This is a statistic from a muslim source about what is happening in Africa alone
As for how this happened, Africa has now a million and half a million churches. The number of the members of these churches 46 million people. Because of the christian missionaries every hour islam loses 667 muslims convert to Christianity, every Day 16000 , every year 6 MILLION."

the original is here and in arabic

islam losing ground (http://muslim-quotes.netfirms.com/islamgrows.html)

......and unIslamic cultural influences have corrupted almost all the young people in every Muslim country.

What kind of world are we coming into? Even though millions of people convert to Islam every year, millions more, from the Muslim world, are lulled into secularism and become opponents of things related to Islam. Sometimes I almost feel that it seems like a few Westerners are becoming Muslims while most "Muslims" are becoming kaffirs. ....

.... The children of converts most often go back to being the non-Muslims their parents were before converting! (I've taught for ten years the children of "born Muslims" and converts and can attest to this fact.) ...


Linky Islamic ed foundation (http://www.islamicedfoundation.com/articles/article9.htm)

So all these conversion stories don't really give any indication of the # of muslims. As we know everyone whose family was muslim at one time is counted as being muslim unless they publicly come out and apostacize, not a wise move in most of the muslim world

Apparently in Algeria more and more people are turning away from islam in reaction to the terror that the islamists have perpetrated in allahs name. Many of these people are Karbilya of whom there are around 1 million in France all of whom muslims count as french muslims, are they really.

"Christianity Is Life"

The Islamist campaign of violence in Algeria has turned some Muslims, especially Berbers, away from Islam and toward Christianity, reports the Algiers daily Al-Yawm in late December 2000, as reprinted in Courrier International, January 4-10, 2001, p. 29. The following extracts are translated from the French.

In Kabylie, people of all ages are converting to Christianity. ....

The deterioration of the image of Islam during the crisis has played its part in this rise of conversions to Christianity and the adoption of its principles. What is happening and what has happened in Algeria, such as the massacres and killings in the name of Islam,1 has [sic] led many, when asked what the difference, in their view, was between Islam and Christianity, to declare: "Christianity is life, Islam is death."
That actually fits in perfectly with al quidas tried and true saying "they love life while we love death"

from hereconverting (http://www.meforum.org/article/104 )

I've got a feeling that the global terror al-quida is unleashing to spread islam will end up being, if not the last then one of the last nails in the coffin of islam

Amazing. Out of the frying pan, into the fire.

Re: BATH ! :p

IN YOUR FACE [deleted]:

Islamic Britain lures top people
Sunday Times 22 February 2004
MORE than 14,000 white Britons have converted to Islam after becoming disillusioned with western values, according to the first authoritative study of the phenomenon.

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/649424.asp

-'' Indeed, Islam is the world's fastest growing religion in the world'' The Economist, London Sept 2003

-BBC: Thousands of Asutralia's Aboriginals are converting to Islam:
http://newswww.bbc.net.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2902315.stm

-Islam is spreading so fast in Mexico:

http://www.finalcall.com/international/mexico07-02-2002.htm

http://www.racematters.org/islamtakesrootinmexico.htm

- EVEN IN HAWAII, MORE AND MORE ARE CONVERTING TO ISLAM:

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2001/Nov/11/ln/ln06a.html

-In South Africa, so many blacks are converting to Islam:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0110/p13s1-woaf.html

-Thousands in Rawanda-Africa are converting to Islam every year:

http://www.xamarcadde.com/rawanda.html

- Hindus in india are converting to Islam in their masses:

http://www.milligazette.com/Archive.../0111200275.htm

- Islam is back to Spain after 500 years:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1002/p07s01-woeu.html

- More and more americans are converting to Islam specially after 9/11:

http://www.yorknewstimes.com/stories/042702/neb_0427020012.shtml

- NEW YORK TIMES: ISLAM ATTRACT THOUSANDS DRAWN BEFORE AND AFTER 9/11:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30D13FA345A0C718EDDA90994D94044 82

- The Canadian Globe and Mail: Islam is now the fastest growing religion in Canada:
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20030514/UCENSN/TPFront/TopStories

Islam: The Next American Religion?

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/69/story_6982.html

Catholic World News: Exhilarating Time To Be Christian," But Islam Grows Faster

http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=16311

U.S. Department of State for International Information programes: Islam is one of the fastest growing religions in America:

http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/muslimlife/

Muslims outpace Anglicans in UK

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/444572.cms

A Spanish bridge to Islam:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1002/p07s01-woeu.html

Britain Elites are converting to Islam:

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/03/286384.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1096872/posts

http://www.lightuponlight.com/islam...ws&new_topic=14

http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/artic...erahIslam.shtml

-Islam is also spreading in Ukraine:

http://www.crimeatau.org.ua/project/islam/itriu.html

PS: Haters, Islamophobes and LIARS, watch out !! Muslims are coming !! :p

Jihaad against the spread of apostasy
M. H. Jamaldeen (Australia)

In order to cry halt to the spread of Irtidaad among Muslims and save them from the jaws of spiritual death here and impending infernal doom in the Hereafter, the Mujlisul Ulama of South Africa has embarked on the noble and highly commendable campaign of Jihaad against apostasy among the ignorant, poor and unwary Muslims in many parts of the world.

Evidently so many people are going apostate in south africa that they had to declare jihad against it. Slow loading link here

http://www.jamiat.org.za/isinfo/apostasy.html

*munches popcorn*

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

With all caps, too.

Well, to be nitpicky ...

How would you know that Islam is the fastEST disintegrating religion in the world? You would need to find statistics for nearly every religion in the world to be able to claim that. Who knows, there might be small-scale local religions that are dying out, or maybe one of the other major religions might be quietly losing followers.

Comparison of numbers needed before upgrading the status of this thread above 'Rambling'.

IN YOUR FACE LOSER:

Islamic Britain lures top people
Sunday Times 22 February 2004
MORE than 14,000 white Britons have converted to Islam after becoming disillusioned with western values, according to the first authoritative study of the phenomenon.

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world:

And just who are these 14,000 white Britons, does anyone know?

Proud Muslim said these were the elite.... Who are they Proud?

And just who are these 14,000 white Britons, does anyone know?

Proud Muslim said these were the elite.... Who are they Proud?

Elite damn you elite! just trust him.

Maybe they all took a national exam and these were the top 14,000? Who knows? Or maybe it's a convenient term without any objective standard that can be tossed around at one's convenience like a sack of stinky socks.

:eek:

IN YOUR FACE LOSER:
...
MORE than 14,000 white Britons have converted to Islam after becoming disillusioned with western values, according to the first authoritative study of the phenomenon.

yes folks, he is for real!
he's also a senior economist (http://www.sciforums.com/member.php?u=14263) (i.e. the more educated ..'winner', i suppose)... imagine that

lol, there is a very easy pattern to see
in Christian countries, Islam is gaining influence
in Muslim countries, Islam is losing influence
its probably not gaining or losing many members, its just that all countries are becoming more multicultural

Could it be the numbers are simply a reflection of Muslims leaving those states controlled by Muslim fundamentalists and are moving to free countries?

Almost non-stop, people repeat the phrase "islam is the fastest growing religion" in the world, in the US, in the West, etc...
I have found sites that refute that declaration; by pagans, Christians, ex-muslims, etc...
Here is one, that includes a link to an arabic site on "al-Jazeera"

From:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina31103.htm

Hitler said if a lie is repeated often enough and long enough, it would come to be perceived as truth. One such lie often repeated is “Islam is the fastest growing religion”.

Despite the fact that Muslims by virtue of being poor and uneducated are much more reproductive than others, Islam as a religion is not growing but dying fast.

More and more Muslims are discovering that the violence evinced by some of their coreligionists is not an aberration but is inspired by the teachings of the Quran and the examples set by its author. Muslims are becoming disillusioned with Islam.

Every day thousands of Muslim intellectuals are leaving Islam. They find Islam inconsistent with science, logics, human rights and ethics. Millions of Iranians already have left Islam. The enlightened Muslims of other nationalities are not far behind. This is the beginning of a mass exodus from Islam. It is a movement that is already in motion and nothing can stop it.

However the exodus from Islam is not reserved to the intellectuals but also the average Muslims are finding that Islam is not the way to God but to ignorance, poverty and wars. They are leaving Islam to embrace other religions especially the Christianity.

Perhaps it is best to listen to the truth coming from the mouth of the horse. The Internet site aljazeera.net published an interview with Ahmad Al Qataani أحمد القطعاني An important Islamic cleric who said: “In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity."

From an interview on:
http://www.aljazeera.net/programs/shareea/articles/2000/12/12-12-6.htm
...

Ahmad Al Qataani...

As to how that happened, well
.there are now 1.5 million churches whose congregations account for 46 million people. In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity
These numbers are very large indeed …..

Maher Abdallah (interrupting):
Hold on! Let me clarify. Do we have 6 million converting from Islam to Christianity or converting from Islam and other religions?

Ahmad Al Qataani:
Great (question)! The other religions are not placed on the list of Christianization; rather they are placed on the list of evangelization. The other religion in Africa is paganism; so it’s Islam, Christianity or paganism.
"praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved" Acts 2:47, (Acts of the Apostles, chapter 2: verse 47)

From:
http://www.meforum.org/article/104

The deterioration of the image of Islam during the crisis has played its part in this rise of conversions to Christianity and the adoption of its principles. What is happening and what has happened in Algeria, such as the massacres and killings in the name of Islam,1 has [sic] led many, when asked what the difference, in their view, was between Islam and Christianity, to declare: "Christianity is life, Islam is death."

From:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/testimonials.htm
Testimonies of Those Who Left Islam
Muslims use estimonials of people who convert to Islam as a tool in their propagandistic campaign. No doubt these personal stories can be very powerful and have a great effect on those who are investigating Islam. They go as far as fabricating converts and ridiculously claim that some celebrities have converted to Islam. Here is a list of the hoax conversions.

Neil Armstrong
Jaques Cousteau
Jacques Cousteau, Michael Jackson & Neil Armstrong (a Muslim knows better)
Maurice Bucaille
King Offa
Abdu'l-Ahad Dawud (Professor David Benjamin Keldani), a former Catholic Bishop?
The Coptic Cardinal Abu Ishaq
Of course there have been few celebrities like Cat Stevens and Muhammad Ali that have become Muslims. However, there is another side to the coin that the Muslims won’t tell you; i.e. there are more people who leave Islam han those who embrace it.

....
Ibn Warraq's excellent collection of estimonies is now available.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1591020689/qid%3D1052606371/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/103-4250690-1815867

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/why_i_left_islam.htm


For the following, links are found here:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/testimonials.htm
Asad Raza 2004/01/31

Ahboo 2003/12/04

Rebecca 2003/11/03

Zaa Brifd 2003/10/27

Former Muslim 2003/09/15

Saeed 2003/09/07

Soy Yo 2003/08/02

Ampbreia 2003/08/04

Jahed Ahmed 2003/06/16

Ben Rukhsana 2003/05/17

Ismahan Levi 2003/03/17

Abu Lahab 2003/01/16

Ex-Malaysian Muslim 2003/01/06

Aisha S 2003/01/06

Simplejoe 2002/10/31

Ismael 2002/10/31

Parvin Darabi 200209/12

Fariel 2002/08/23

American Ex Muslim 2002/08/04

Got rid of Islam 2002/07/02

Mahavira 2002/06/02

Z Ali 2002/05/30

Shafi H. 2002/05/27

Saeed 2002/05/01

Kit

S.K.

Haider

Kim Jay

Behrouz

B. Pirouz

Faiza

Shabnam Nadiya

D.

Free Man

Jen

Marianne

Ahmad K.

Raza

Ali Z,

Susan

A.E.

Roza

Abul Kasem

For more testimonials go to ISIS site..
http://www.secularislam.org/testimonies/testimonies.htm



P_M, I'll be praying & waiting for your name to appear here, don't be 'proud', be 'humble' before your God

it all looks like self-praise for propaganda purposes to me (both sides)

like in a tooth paste commercial or something .. "more people are switching to Floride Plus"! or "4 out of 5 experts agree!"

Liars and haters tend to quote from famous hate sites like faithfreedom.org while me, I quote from NON MUSLIM sources to prove Islam is indeed the fastest growing religion on earth, what if I started quoting from Muslim sources as well ???? ok, let us see first the NON MUSLIM SOURCES, places like CNN, NEW YORK TIMES, MSNBC, THE BBC, THE GLOBE AND MAIL...ETC

Islamic Britain lures top people
Sunday Times 22 February 2004
MORE than 14,000 white Britons have converted to Islam after becoming disillusioned with western values, according to the first authoritative study of the phenomenon.

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/649424.asp

-'' Indeed, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world'' The Economist, London Sept 2003

-BBC: Thousands of Asutralia's Aboriginals are converting to Islam:
http://newswww.bbc.net.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2902315.stm

-Islam is spreading so fast in Mexico:

http://www.finalcall.com/international/mexico07-02-2002.htm

http://www.racematters.org/islamtakesrootinmexico.htm

- EVEN IN HAWAII, MORE AND MORE ARE CONVERTING TO ISLAM:

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2001/Nov/11/ln/ln06a.html

-In South Africa, so many blacks are converting to Islam:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0110/p13s1-woaf.html

-Thousands in Rawanda-Africa are converting to Islam every year:

http://www.xamarcadde.com/rawanda.html

- Hindus in india are converting to Islam in their masses:

http://www.milligazette.com/Archive.../0111200275.htm

- Islam is back to Spain after 500 years:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1002/p07s01-woeu.html

- More and more americans are converting to Islam specially after 9/11:

http://www.yorknewstimes.com/stories/042702/neb_0427020012.shtml

- NEW YORK TIMES: ISLAM ATTRACT THOUSANDS DRAWN BEFORE AND AFTER 9/11:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30D13FA345A0C718EDDA90994D94044 82

- The Canadian Globe and Mail: Islam is now the fastest growing religion in Canada:
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20030514/UCENSN/TPFront/TopStories

Islam: The Next American Religion?

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/69/story_6982.html

Catholic World News: Exhilarating Time To Be Christian," But Islam Grows Faster

http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=16311

U.S. Department of State for International Information programes: Islam is one of the fastest growing religions in America:

http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/muslimlife/

Muslims outpace Anglicans in UK

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/444572.cms

A Spanish bridge to Islam:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1002/p07s01-woeu.html

Britain Elites are converting to Islam:

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/03/286384.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1096872/posts

http://www.lightuponlight.com/islam...ws&new_topic=14

http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/artic...erahIslam.shtml

-Islam is also spreading in Ukraine:

http://www.crimeatau.org.ua/project/islam/itriu.html

AND NOW THE MUSLIM SOURCES:

http://www.islamonline.net/images/English/Services/journey.jpg

From the poorest villages on Earth to the richest palaces the world has seen, people from all walks of life have and continue to embrace Islam. From the time Prophet Muhammad up to today, literally countless numbers of people have embraced this way of life. The effort of this section is to capture the essence of what has brought so many people to Islam. "

http://www.islamonline.net/english/journey/journey.shtml

Italy's Ambassador to Saudi Arabia Converts To Islam:

http://www.welcome-back.org/news/cardilli.shtml

Former Christian Priests and Missionaries who have Embraced Islam:

Abdullah al-Faruq - Formerly Kenneth L. Jenkins, minister and elder of the Pentecostal Church
Dr. Jerald F. Dirks - Former minister (deacon) of the United Methodist Church. He holds a Master's degree in Divinity from Harvard University and a Doctorate in Psychology from the University of Denver. Author of The Cross and the Crescent: An Interfaith Dialogue between Christianity and Islam (ISBN 1-59008-002-5 - Amana Publications, 2001). He has published over 60 articles in the field of clinical psychology, and over 150 articles on Arabian horses
Viacheslav Polosin - Former Archpriest of the Russian Orthodox Church
Anselm Tormeeda - 14th century CE scholar and priest
Khadijah 'Sue' Watson - Former pastor, missionary, professor. Master's degree in Divinity
Ibrahim Khalil - Former Egyptian Coptic priest
Anonymous Female Missionary - Former Catholic missionary
Martin John Mwaipopo - Former Lutheran Archbishop
Raphael - Former Jehovah's Witness minister
George Anthony - Former Catholic priest
Dr. Gary Miller (Abdul-Ahad Omar) - Former missionary

http://www.thetruereligion.org/priests.htm

JEWS TO ISLAM:

http://www.jewstoislam.com

JEWS FOR ALLAH: Jewish testimonies

http://www.jews-for-allah.org

Stories of New Muslims:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/newmuslims/

CONVERTS TO ISLAM:

http://www.convertstoislam.com

WELCOME BACK TO ISLAM:

http://www.welcome-back.org/

http://www.welcome-back.org/profile/cosens.shtml

Anecdotal evidence suggests that there has been a surge in conversions to Islam since September 11, especially among affluent young white Britons

http://www.sharif.org.uk/maqsood.htm

Prominent Converts to Islam

http://www.salaam.co.uk/themeofthemonth/june02_index.php?l=6

CHRISTIANS CONVERTING TO ISLAM

http://www.sharif.org.uk/converts.htm

ENJOY !!! :)

PM, I'm not sure where you're going with all of this. I'm surprised that you spend all this time posting links to conversion stories without posting any real content.

What sort of reaction do you expect from us, PM?

Its very difficult to prove any religion is growing fastest in the world, theres so many countrys and so many relgions and you'd need to take all of them into account, as far as i was aware more people are becoming athiest than anything else and not going to church or anything.
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/rib.html
Thats a good link for overall statistics in britain, and if you can find something similar from five years ago then you'll see the change in religions in britain, only a few hundred countries to go then we'll have this case solved.....

PM, I'm not sure where you're going with all of this. I'm surprised that you spend all this time posting links to conversion stories without posting any real content.

well, if you bother yourself and check only one link you will find real content ( the story about the ITALIAB AMBASSADOR to saudi arabia converting to Islam is breath-taking for example)...in conclusion, the real content is that ISLAM is the fastest growing religion on earth DESPITE the relentless attack from hater, liars and islamophobes.

What sort of reaction do you expect from us, PM?

I am not expecting anything from you, I am not asking you to convert to islam, I am NOT pushing Islam down your throat as the pathetic christians do...if you show respect to Islam, you will have my unreserved respect, the reason I spent all this time posting the above links is to expose those pathetic christians who lie continuesly in order to defame Islam.

PM

I read your non-Muslim sites. They are simply regurgitating Islamic propaganda from the Muslim sites. So, it appears that only the Muslims are stating that Islam is the fastest growing religion.

The UFO nutters sites say that UFO's are aliens. Non-relativist nutters sites say Einstein was wrong. Anti-gravity nutters sites say anti-gravity machines work.

Six of one... half dozen of the other...

well, if you bother yourself and check only one link you will find real content ( the story about the ITALIAB AMBASSADOR to saudi arabia converting to Islam is breath-taking for example)...in conclusion, the real content is that ISLAM is the fastest growing religion on earth DESPITE the relentless attack from hater, liars and islamophobes.

What I mean by content is what you write. You could post the entire Qur'an and it would not be content without your opinion and interpretation of the material. I truthfully can't read all of those sites.



I am not expecting anything from you, I am not asking you to convert to islam, I am NOT pushing Islam down your throat as the pathetic christians do...if you show respect to Islam, you will have my unreserved respect, the reason I spent all this time posting the above links is to expose those pathetic christians who lie continuesly in order to defame Islam.

Well, you might be better than some Christians on this matter, but that's a fairly low standard you're setting yourself. I'm pointing out to you that the effects of your diatribes, the posting of conversion stories without any background, is only going to make people lash out against Islam.

only haters will lash out against Islam, why should reasonable intelligent person lash out about Islam ????????? :confused:

why should reasonable intelligent person lash out about Islam ?????????

Reasonable, intelligent people consider all religion as nonsense.

However, recently Islam has been at the forefront of most of the violence in the world. You have on many occasions agreed with and enjoyed this violence. You go on to state that Islam will cover the Earth some day.

Are you that dense not to understand why some people hate Islam?

I guess one day you will claim HITLER was Muslim as well ??? and maybe the NUCLEAR BOMBS DROPPED on hiroshima and nakazaki were MUSLIM MADE as well !

And since we are at it, Why not blame jesus death on muslims ?? :D

PM

What does that have to do with anything?

It is fashion now to blame ISLAM and MUSLIMS for everything, from an earthquake in Mexcio to flooding in China !! :D

I heard NASA is blaming ISLAMIC TERRORISTS for not finding life on Mars !! :D

Again, what does that have to do with anything?

Changing the subject only goes to show that you are unable to respond to my comments.

only haters will lash out against Islam, why should reasonable intelligent person lash out about Islam ????????? really :confused:so, why do you lash out? are you a lover? :D ;)

I guess one day you will claim ...

And since we are at it, Why not blame jesus death on muslims ?? actually, He did die for muslims, pagans, hindus, budhists, jews & all those sinful christians, like me. We are all to blame

let me say something, first of Islam is the fastest growing religion. check this on the CIA website, the US Census, the Guiness Book Of World records, or ask Bill Clinton and his wife cos they all say it is true. as for Islam dying out, i serioulsy doubt this, first off true educated coverts (alot of the Africans converted becasue Christain missionaries give them food, clothes etc. and thats why they converty without much knowledge of Christianty) are almost always stronger in faith and Muslims are in great number anyway.

as for Christinaty dying out...

Christianty is against Sex before marrage, drinking, gambling, homosexuality looking at people in lust and sex for pleasure. does any Christian actually follow this?

even Muslims who aren't even that Islamic still wont eat Pork or have sex before marage or date.

why is Britain with 71% christians (British census report 2001) PACKED out with pubs, ightclubs, strip clubs, casinos, why is rape rates so high why are the teenage pregnancy rates the highest in Europe

and most of all why are a lot of the VICARS, the ones responsible for their religion, the most pious of their religion - Gay?

PM

I read your non-Muslim sites. They are simply regurgitating Islamic propaganda from the Muslim sites. So, it appears that only the Muslims are stating that Islam is the fastest growing religion.

The UFO nutters sites say that UFO's are aliens. Non-relativist nutters sites say Einstein was wrong. Anti-gravity nutters sites say anti-gravity machines work.

Six of one... half dozen of the other...

are the CIA nutters, are Bill and Hillary Clinton nutters, is the guiness book of world records written by nutters, are the people who do the US/world census reports nutters?

no just you

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world wether you like it or not the Jewish population went down by 5% in five years and the Christians population goes up but morals go down

well, if you bother yourself and check only one link you will find real content
propaganda is content? next thing you know, you will be saying that war is peace

( the story about the ITALIAB AMBASSADOR to saudi arabia converting to Islam is breath-taking for example)... didn't he convert years ago, but just came out of the closet?


in conclusion, the real content is that ISLAM is the fastest growing religion on earth the fastest & biggest lie in the world


DESPITE the relentless attack from hater, liars and islamophobes. stop looking in the mirror when you say that, you liar, hater, you are the islamophobic virus, by your actions & words, islam is exposed as a lying, hating religion, even in its own homeland,
see link below:
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2002/14012.htm


I am not expecting anything from you, I am not asking you to convert to islam, that's a first, then why are you posting? have a little down time?


I am NOT pushing Islam down your throat as the pathetic christians do... if that is true, why are so many people gagging on this forum, from your P&P (paste & post) tactics?

if you show respect to Islam, you will have my unreserved respect, oh, how islamic of you

the reason I spent all this time posting the above links is to expose those pathetic christians who lie continuesly in order to defame Islam.
[COLOR=Red] Defame? islam does that quite nicely on its own, see below

[repeated material removed]

and most of all why are a lot of the VICARS, the ones responsible for their religion, the most pious of their religion - why are they homosexual if Christainty is against it?

becasue no one follows Christinaty anymore not even priests and vicars

many of the Christians belliefs about Jesus dont go anyway. but the Muslim ones make more sense.

these are some Christian errors about Jesu and the answers.

Jesus died on the cross - so where's the cross he died on, dont you think such a imporntant person like Jesus should have his death site kept and why didnt the universe collpase when Jesus died... the answer is simple Muslims believe he didn;t die on a cross he was raised to heaven. also Jesus's body hs Dissapeard. the answer also fits in with Muslim beliefs.

he was ressurected - only God can casue death and give life so if Jesus is God in human form who gave him life and death and ressurection. and why didnt the universe collpase without God? simple becasue he never died.

why did he die? - christians say the point of him dying was to forgive man of sins. why does he need to askhimself for mankinds forgiveness, and it is even stated in the Bible that every soul is responsivle for their OWN sin so Jesus's death is pointless. simple, the answer to this is the Muslim one, he never died,

is he son of God? - a human son takes on Human characteristiucs; life;death;senses etc. so wouldn't a son of God take God's chracterristcs? then is Death one of Gods Characteristcs?

Sorry kafirs, but you cant beat me and u can beat us Muslim posters. Muslims have won this thread already. im doing a Jihad by defending my religion online. whthere you listen or not is not my problem i have done my bit and i belive that i am getting rewarded for each post becasue i am doing my Jihad (the more you argue the more i post, the greater my reward!!!!)

Us Muslims are getting rewrds whatevr you do. you are getting nothing by telling Non muslims about how bad Muslims are. but i am getting EVERYTHING i want. i am getting my mesage accross and my rewards. sorry guys but we've won.

i belive with all my heart in Allah and i belive that what i am doing is right. you can argue as long as you want if Allah really exsists and if i will get a reward but >I< believe in Allah and rewards completely. i would hold this belief even if i was the only Muslim left and i would die with this belief. I HAVE WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i will continue to post and gain more rewards!!!!!!!!!!!

get me Kafirs -

i love a death follwing islam more then you love your life filled with riches and power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i am a Musilm and defendin my religion is a Jihad. Jihad gets a great rew and i will post as many times as i can

and most of all why are a lot of the VICARS, the ones responsible for their religion, the most pious of their religion - why are they homosexual if Christainty is against it?

becasue no one follows Christinaty anymore not even priests and vicars
There is an answer to this, but you need to know and understand Christianity correctly to understand, and your total knowledge of Christianity is knowing how to spell it.

You talk of homosexuality and preachers, imams, etc. You will find there is a ratio of homos to heters in any group of society, it's a fact of life - get over it.

Sorry kafirs, but you cant beat me and u can beat us Muslim posters. Muslims have won this thread already. im doing a Jihad by defending my religion online. whthere you listen or not is not my problem i have done my bit and i belive that i am getting rewarded for each post becasue i am doing my Jihad (the more you argue the more i post, the greater my reward!!!!)

Us Muslims are getting rewrds whatevr you do. you are getting nothing by telling Non muslims about how bad Muslims are. but i am getting EVERYTHING i want. i am getting my mesage accross and my rewards. sorry guys but we've won.

i belive with all my heart in Allah and i belive that what i am doing is right. you can argue as long as you want if Allah really exsists and if i will get a reward but >I< believe in Allah and rewards completely. i would hold this belief even if i was the only Muslim left and i would die with this belief. I HAVE WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i will continue to post and gain more rewards!!!!!!!!!!!

get me Kafirs -

i love a death follwing islam more then you love your life filled with riches and power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i am a Musilm and defendin my religion is a Jihad. Jihad gets a great rew and i will post as many times as i can

munim - I almost feel sorry for you.

You are so wrapped up in this pile of shit that it is taking over your life.

I'll tell you now munim, your kind of talk is dangerous, if at least to yourself. You are going down a dead end street with this self destructive obsession .

Us Muslims are getting rewrds whatevr you do. you are getting nothing by telling Non muslims about how bad Muslims are. but i am getting EVERYTHING i want. i am getting my mesage accross and my rewards. sorry guys but we've won.

The reward system might be good for training dogs or experimenting on lab rats, but doesn't work well for humans.

If all that interests you is getting rewards, you've missed the entire point to life.

Us Muslims are getting rewrds whatevr you do. you are getting nothing by telling Non muslims about how bad Muslims are. but i am getting EVERYTHING i want. i am getting my mesage accross and my rewards. sorry guys but we've won.

I think you are mistaken. I did not say that PM was bad. I said that his posts inspired hatred, did nothing to convince anyone to convert to Islam but fueled anti-islamic settlement.


i belive with all my heart in Allah and i belive that what i am doing is right. you can argue as long as you want if Allah really exsists and if i will get a reward

Are you pretending to do know what is right without Allah?


but >I< believe in Allah and rewards completely. i would hold this belief even if i was the only Muslim left and i would die with this belief. I HAVE WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This depends of course on what you believe your reward will be. As I've repeatedly admonished PM, the only clear and obvious consequence of both your posts will be more hatred, begging the question of whether your posts, assuming Islam is right, are even a good deed.

Sorry kafirs, but you cant beat me and u can beat us Muslim posters. Muslims have won this thread already.

Is religion a contest?

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Proud_Muslim Junior ?

AMAZING !!!

Brother Munium is only 16 !! imagine !! and yet he is batteling hardcore haters and liars....IF WE HAVE PEOPLE LIKE BROTHER MUNIUM ( AND WE DO HAVE ) THEN THE FUTURE IS FOR ISLAM.

Allah bless you brother Munium, even you are still very young but your Islamic spirit is so telling of many things to come in the future...I am not worried about ISLAM, the future will be GREEN.

ALLAHU AKBAR !! ALLAH IS THE GREATEST.

Anybody for a mutual back-slapping session?

back-slapping between two 16 year olds..? :p

AMAZING !!!

Brother Munium is only 16 !! imagine !!


Yeah it's great innit.

A 16 year old potential martyr who believes in a sand fairy.

SAD......VERY SAD.

Amazing how he manages to pack 30 years worth of misinformation into only 16 years :p :D

We are having the last laugh.....look at you, you are so desperate sad creatures !!!

go on brother Munim, you and young Muslims like you are indeed OUR BRIGHT FUTURE.

Allah bless you.

Anyway back on topic here are some more articles on this topic

From Iran
Turning to domestic issues, Ayatollah Yazdi expressed his concern about young Iranian turning away from Islam and its teaching by urging the young one to go to mosques instead of parties of dancing, mixing with girls, drinking, going to movies or theatres. ENDS IRAN IRAQ 25403

young iranians abandoning islam (http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2003/Apr-2003/iran_iraq_25403.htm)

Checkout iranian activist chat forum to get a gauge of how much the mullahs are adored :D they actually took over a city in the north of Iran for 4 days
activist chat (http://www.activistchat.com/phpBB2/index.php) the mullahs won't last much longer :cool:

Salaam Aleikum, my moslem brothers,
This irreligious jew has seen the true light of Islam, let us join together, and shine our light on the world. Mohammed(pbuh) spoke to me last night, and showed me the errors of my ways. Islam will create the first true peace on Earth, nothing can stop it!!!

Munim, don't listen to these haters, and hypocrites, we know the truth.
Peace

I hope this doesn't mean more people will change their names to muhammad. There are already so damn many!

I mean Islam killed 2 of the greatest names ever. Cascius Clay and Lou Alcindor. Badass names. There were respectively changed to Muhammad Ali and Kareem Abdul Jabaar.

That sucks. If for no other reason, that is why Islam sucks.

Islam will create the first true peace on Earth, nothing can stop it!!!


Muslims are spreading thier light upon the world now, the problem is that the light from a suicide bomb only last for a fraction of a second :p I guess the secondary fires caused by the explosions count too though.

Islam will create the first true peace on Earth, nothing can stop it!!!

LOOK AT THE ISLAMIC SAUDI ARABIA DAMN YOU!!!

AMAZING !!!

Brother Munium is only 16 !! imagine !! and yet he is batteling hardcore haters and liars....IF WE HAVE PEOPLE LIKE BROTHER MUNIUM ( AND WE DO HAVE ) THEN THE FUTURE IS FOR ISLAM.

Allah bless you brother Munium, even you are still very young but your Islamic spirit is so telling of many things to come in the future...I am not worried about ISLAM, the future will be GREEN.

ALLAHU AKBAR !! ALLAH IS THE GREATEST.

oh shucks you're emmbarrasing me.

the Victory to Muslims is PROMISED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To Whoever started this thread asking "is Islam the fastest growing religion in the world" i would like to say;

Its not rocket science you know, simply count the number of religious followers at one time and then at a later time count them again. see how much they increased and see which one has which religion has gained the most. and Islam is the religion according to World Stats that has gained the most followers.

Based on your reasoning, Atheism is gaining the most followers.

Us Muslims are getting rewrds whatevr you do. you are getting nothing by telling Non muslims about how bad Muslims are. but i am getting EVERYTHING i want. i am getting my mesage accross and my rewards. sorry guys but we've won.

The reward system might be good for training dogs or experimenting on lab rats, but doesn't work well for humans.

If all that interests you is getting rewards, you've missed the entire point to life.

it is life.

and reward doesn't mean the petty little illusion that Christians believe it to be. everything is a reward if done correcttly - eating, sleeping, praying even having sex as long as it is lawful is a reward.

and "the entire point to llife"

who are you to say the point of life? who defines the point of life - not you. the point of what someone wants in life depends on the indivdual. you think the point of life is what keeps you happy, which is blah blah. fair enough, mine is obeying Allah and i am happy. argue with me if you want it wont change me it will make me happier becasue i am getting closer to my goal.

my point of life, my faith keeps my strong. yours keeps you weak. if something bad happens to me, i can take it. if someone does something bad to me i dont need revenge to fell statsified. i dont see death as the end of evrything which makes me strong, i know death is promised so i wont hesistae dying for something good rather then just wait till i die. (and no, im not reffering to suicide bombings becasue i dont believe in killing innocent people)

on the day of judgement some kafir like you will be put by my side and God will punish you for some of my sins becasuse i believe in Allah and becasue of my faith Allah will have mercy upon me.

mine is obeying Allah and i am happy

If obeying makes you happy, so be it. That is not a life, that is subsistence.

on the day of judgement some kafir like you will be put by my side and God will punish you for some of my sins becasuse i believe in Allah and becasue of my faith Allah will have mercy upon me.

Or, you will simply die one day and that will be the end of your subsistence. You will have wasted a life.

Islam is also DEFINATELY the fastest CONVERTING religion. in 1990-2000 it converted roughly 12.5 million more then Christinaty. also these are conversions so these are esaily recoradable and the logic of the orgonal post that many Muslims who denounce thier faith cant be counted* doesnt work in this case.

*actually it can be counted, when counting religions the number of people who denouce a religion is taken away from the number that convert and already are. thats how these world stats work SO ISLAM IS THE FASTEST GROWING RELIGION IN THE WORLD. that example of all of those 6 million Muslims denouncing their faith is besides the point becasue ALL religion lose followers so the above counting system is used.

[QUOTE=(Q)or, you will simply die one day and that will be the end of your subsistence. You will have wasted a life.[/QUOTE]

well i belive it wont be the end

but EVEN IF IT ISN'T, how have i had a wasted life? i have already had a life that i am happy about becasue of my faith and if i die and there is nothing there... well i wont know becasue i am dead and there is nothing there. :eek: but i have already lived my happy life.

you will die wishing you lived longer, and wishing you had more things or you could do more.:mad:

well i wont know becasue i am dead and there is nothing there.

Exactly, now you're starting to get it.

but i have already lived my happy life.

Your fear of your gods forces you to submit to them. If not and there was reasonable doubt that you've wasted your life in submission, why continue living in submission? Free yourself from submission and become your own person ruled only by what you dictate.

that example of all of those 6 million Muslims denouncing their faith is besides the point

The fact that 6 million people came to their senses IS the point.

Based on your reasoning, Atheism is gaining the most followers.

Atheism is actually a very small religion. ill try and find you the offical stats (in a pie chart) that i saw in a book but until then just look at this;

Christianty - 2 BILLION
Islam - 1.4 BILLION
Hinduism - 800 MILLION

these alone equal 4.2 Billion which compaerd to 6 BILLION world population is alot. then add in all of the other religions.

all the above is fact

im not sure but i think Atheism is like 8th or 9th biggest religion in the world. like i said ill try and get the facts.

Atheism is actually a very small religion.

Do you even understand the definition of atheism?

these alone equal 4.2 Billion which compaerd to 6 BILLION world population is alot.

So what, in time atheism will overcome all religions once people become educated and shed their ignorance.

well i wont know becasue i am dead and there is nothing there.

Exactly, now you're starting to get it.

but i have already lived my happy life.

Your fear of your God forces you to submit to them. If not and there was reasonable doubt that you've wasted your life in submission, why continue living in submission? Free yourself from submission and become your own person ruled only by what you dictate.

this topic is kindda of long so i havent really described anything properly but i probably will make a thread about it some day.

i am not stupid becasue i am not just a blind follower of faith becasue i am insecure or my family makes me or becasue i have done something really bad blah blah (the list goes on forever)

i am a Practiscing Muslim after loads of thoughts conerning Logic and science.
like i said im not stupid so i am aware of loads of points like "why is their sufferuing in the world if Allah exsisits" "there are so many religions to chose from, why Islam" "Look at the stae of Muslim countires today" and so on. but i have found answers to these.

also there is NO way in hell i would ever just follow a book and the example of a man i never saw if i didnt have a reason. like i said i had considered loads of points, looked to other religions and found many answers. i wouldn't belive a book unless it had proof. and believe me Islam has proof for eveything. And there is also no way i would follow a religion that as racist, sexist or illogical and i know Islam isn';t any of these despite what all of these people think. Islam is also very logical, Islam and science are connected.

like i said maybe in the future i will make a thread about the proofs of these. it is very hard to explain these things (not the science bits of course) but thats why Islam is the fastest growing religion, becasue people are seeing this and these converst arent blind followers they are educated people who have though alot about this.

i am a Practiscing Muslim after loads of thoughts conerning Logic and science.

This makes no sense - most people who concern themselves with logic and science inherently do not practice religion or share the beliefs prescribed with those religions. I have found very little logic in any of your posts.

...and believe me Islam has proof for eveything...

That is exactly the point, I don't believe you because Islam is a faith and cannot provide proof of itself or its gods.

Islam is also very logical, Islam and science are connected.

Sorry, but unless you're prepared to make a case as to how Islam and science are connected, I can only assume that your statement comes from being brainwashed.

[QUOTE=munim_786]Atheism is actually a very small religion. ill try and find you the offical stats (in a pie chart) that i saw in a book but until then just look at this;

Christianty - 2 BILLION
Islam - 1.4 BILLION
Hinduism - 800 MILLION
*************
M*W: Please check your statistics. Christianity holds about 25% of the worlds population, and Islam holds much more. Atheism and Neo-Paganism are fast runners up.

Christianity 2 Billion
Islam 1.2 Billion
Hinduism 785 Million
Buddhism 360 Million
Judaism 17 Million
Sikhism 16 Million
Baha'i 5 Million
Confucianism 5 Million
Jainism 4 Million
Shintoism 3 Million
Wicca .7 Million
Zoroastrianism .2 Million

M*W: Please check your statistics. Christianity holds about 25% of the worlds population, and Islam holds much more. Atheism and Neo-Paganism are fast runners up.

Wrong.

Why not cite a source instead of shoot in the dark?

Atheism is actually a very small religion.

Do you even understand the definition of atheism?

these alone equal 4.2 Billion which compaerd to 6 BILLION world population is alot.

So what, in time atheism will overcome all religions once people become educated and shed their ignorance.

Munim doesn't understand Atheism at all, I would love to hear his definition of it. I doubt whether he understands Islam that much better either.

He says "i am a Practiscing Muslim after loads of thoughts conerning Logic and science" - phoey, what a pile of crap.

MUNIM - WHAT SCIENCE? WHAT LOGIC?

Christianity 2 Billion
Islam 1.2 Billion
Hinduism 785 Million
Buddhism 360 Million
Judaism 17 Million
Sikhism 16 Million
Baha'i 5 Million
Confucianism 5 Million
Jainism 4 Million
Shintoism 3 Million
Wicca .7 Million
Zoroastrianism .2 MillionOne thing I always find interesting is that every house I went to in Japan had a Shinto shrine and/or Buddhist shrine - so why only 3 million? Is that "practicing" Shinto’s? Because if that’s the case we better take Christianity down to about 2 million and Atheism up to 3 billion. It just makes me wonder who makes these charts and how accurate they are.

Liars and haters tend to quote from famous hate sites like
That's exactly your problem, take a hint from yourself

well i belive it wont be the end

but EVEN IF IT ISN'T, how have i had a wasted life? i have already had a life that i am happy about becasue of my faith and if i die and there is nothing there... well i wont know becasue i am dead and there is nothing there. :eek: but i have already lived my happy life.

you will die wishing you lived longer, and wishing you had more things or you could do more
but are you going to heaven? if even Mohammad didn't know, how can you? The only way is, by becoming a Christian muslim, submit to Jesus

According to Muslim Statistics, Muslims are now about 2 BILLION (Third of the world ) :

Muslims in Asia (1996) 1,022,692,000 (30%)

Muslims in Africa (1996) 426,282,000 (59%)

Total Number of Muslims on the Earth (1996) 1,482,596,925

Total Number of People on the Earth (1996) 5,771,939,007

Percentage of Muslims (1996) 26%

Islam annual growth rate (1994-1995) from U.N. 6.40%

Christianity growth rate (1994-1995) from U.N. 1.46%

Total Number of Muslims on the Earth (1998) 1,678,442,000

Expected Number of Muslims on the Earth (2000) 1,902,095,000

This table below shows the growth of Islam:

North America (1989-1998) 25%

Africa 2.15%

Asia 12.57%

Europe 142.35%

Latin America -4.73%

Australia 257.01%

Among every four humans in the world, one of them is Muslim. Muslims have increased by over 235 percent in the last fifty years up to nearly 1.6 billion. By comparison, Christians have increased by only 47 percent, Hinduism, 117 percent, and Buddhism by 63 percent. Islam is the second largest religious group in France, Great Britain and USA (Muslims in USA are 10 millions and Jews are 6 millions).

For a list of all Muslim countries and where the total number of Muslims came from, please visit this site:

http://islamicweb.com/begin/population.htm

The numbers of the growth rates have been taken from here:

http://islamicweb.com/begin/religions_changes.htm

The number of the total population has been taken from The CIA World's Facts Book.

This makes no sense - most people who concern themselves with logic and science inherently do not practice religion or share the beliefs prescribed with those religions.

I think you'll find that most scientists are religious.

According to Muslim Statistics, Muslims are now about 2 BILLION (Third of the world ) :

Muslims in Asia (1996) 1,022,692,000 (30%)

Muslims in Africa (1996) 426,282,000 (59%)

Total Number of Muslims on the Earth (1996) 1,482,596,925

Total Number of People on the Earth (1996) 5,771,939,007

Percentage of Muslims (1996) 26%

Islam annual growth rate (1994-1995) from U.N. 6.40%

Christianity growth rate (1994-1995) from U.N. 1.46%

Total Number of Muslims on the Earth (1998) 1,678,442,000

Expected Number of Muslims on the Earth (2000) 1,902,095,000

This table below shows the growth of Islam:

North America (1989-1998) 25%

Africa 2.15%

Asia 12.57%

Europe 142.35%

Latin America -4.73%

Australia 257.01%

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LOL No wonder islam is the fastest growing religion in the world why just in 1 page of this thread it has gained 200 million followers :D

It seems Munim is attracted to islam because of the lucrative rewards system allah set up. That muhammed was one shrewd businessman what other religion can come up with a rewards system that matches the pyramid reward scheme of islam? I mean just look at all the rewards munim has gotten in this thread alone.
Islam is the 1 true religion
HEY LOOK I just got a reward!!!! I feel all warm and fuzzy :D
Look I am on the EXPRESS train to paradise
Islam is the 1 true religion
All aboard
Islam is the 1 true religion
Islam is the 1 true religion
choo choo
Islam is the 1 true religion
Islam is the 1 true religion
Next station paradise tooot toot

Disclaimer: In no part of my post did I state that the reward scheme of islam sounds like an idiotic bait system for children

When you run out of any intellectual debate, you resort to that sort of childish behaviour, but never mind, you are the BIBLE'S BELIEVER, what can I expect from you ???

''And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a
day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money."
- Exodus 21:20-21

When you run out of any intellectual debate, you resort to that sort of childish behaviour, but never mind, you are the BIBLE'S BELIEVER, what can I expect from you ???

Very interesting I didn't even know I was a bible's believer I better tell my wife she doesn't know either! I am injecting a bit of levity into the proceedings I think many besides myself find the concept of receiving rewards from god by posting on an internet forum (and winning the debate just by declaring you have) extremely comical.

I think you'll find that most scientists are religious.

That is not what I've found, personal or otherwise. And since my personal affairs are not valid here, I'll comment on the otherwise.

Victor Scheffer, a zoologist wrote a book based on those very statistics. He found that there was a steady decline in the percentage of scientists who tend towards religious beliefs, down to 1 in 3. However, he found that belief amongst members of the National Acadamy of Scientists for example, was almost totally nil.

So, was he looking only at US scientists then?

Yes, in particular he was curious as to the Christian movement and was trying to make sense to religion. And although he grew up Presbyterian, science quickly drew him away from religion.

So, if I am to believe your statistic, 1 in 3 US scientists is non-religious. What of Indian scientists, and Chinese scientists, and African scientists?

Sorry, don't have access to those stats although we could probably right-off China.

Munim doesn't understand Atheism at all, I would love to hear his definition of it. I doubt whether he understands Islam that much better either.

He says "i am a Practiscing Muslim after loads of thoughts conerning Logic and science" - phoey, what a pile of crap.

MUNIM - WHAT SCIENCE? WHAT LOGIC?

you silly pagan i said i ll make a thread about it soon. anyway there are plenty of scientific revelations in the Quran (no im not talkking about Mauricae's book becasue a lot of the things are arguable) bit im talkin in general and Muslims made great advances in Maths, Science, technology, Astornomy etc.

anyway alot of logic was put in to it and i didnt expect you to understand. ill make a thread soon like i said

It seems Munim is attracted to islam because of the lucrative rewards system allah set up. That muhammed was one shrewd businessman what other religion can come up with a rewards system that matches the pyramid reward scheme of islam? I mean just look at all the rewards munim has gotten in this thread alone.
Islam is the 1 true religion
HEY LOOK I just got a reward!!!! I feel all warm and fuzzy :D
Look I am on the EXPRESS train to paradise
Islam is the 1 true religion
All aboard
Islam is the 1 true religion
Islam is the 1 true religion
choo choo
Islam is the 1 true religion
Islam is the 1 true religion
Next station paradise tooot toot

Disclaimer: In no part of my post did I state that the reward scheme of islam sounds like an idiotic bait system for children

is that meant to be offensive?

you silly pagan i said i ll make a thread about it soon. anyway there are plenty of scientific revelations in the Quran

Of course there is munim - there there.

I'm sure you're gonna tell us all about these great scientific revelations in the quran like a good little boy you are

anyway alot of logic was put in to it and i didnt expect you to understand. ill make a thread soon like i said

Yes Logic munim Logic - You really MUST tell us all about it.

Are you REALLY going to make a thread?

I remember you say all sorts of things - but you never do them...

Remember this one......

i will cruush this entire thread. i will prove Islam gives women equal rights.

You never did that either. :D :D

Isnt Jedi one of the fastest growing religions? no followers until about 2 years ago, then suddenly several thousand, its interesting if nothing else.
I dont think anyones managed to prove Islam is or isnt the fastast growing religion, its just a lot of people saying it is, i believe all most people are interested in are figures from a reliable source(copying and pasting doesnt count:P).
I'd say this thread is more a propaganda chance for Islam(i noticed someone quoted muslim figures as if they would ever say they were losing followers :rolleyes: ).

Vienna you [deleted]. i said i would make a thread and i would. i am not a slave for you. i will do things in my own time. i said i got exams and am busy so [deleted]. and i do have a life aswell unlike you who sits on infront of a computer all day writing against Islam. wow! 1290 posts, very immpressive Vienna. i wonder how much of you silly life all of those post wasted. anyway your posts aren;'t achieving anything are there there not dettering people from Islam. since you started posting i dont know how many millions upon millions people have already CONVERTED to Islam.

and thank YOU so much for hating Islam on this message board. becasue of youre hate you are encouraging people to study Islam more to see this hate. once they stufy Islam and find out about its great ways... well it is the fastest converting religion in the world.

THERES NO SUCH THING AS BAD PRESS
the bad press is encouraging people to study Islam. just like after 9/11 people wanted to study this "religion of hate" more and thats why conversion rates QUADROUPLED.

Conversion rates tend to go high at times of war against Muslim countires. the Gulf war managed to make 3,000 PLUS Americans convert to Islam.

and like i said about having a life. [deleted] some of us have Doh and can afford to live a little as a pose to sit infromt of a Computer all day and hate on a religion. [deleted]

786
Aslaam Alaikum Muslims,
we are the fastest growing religion in the whole world and there's no doubt abt that.... Most of our prophecies told by Muhammad have also come true by now....
including the Iraq War prophecy.... these are all myths of people leaving Islam just to attack Islam and put doubts into the hearts of Muslims...in the Quran look at Surah Imran...Allah says that the jews converted into Muslims (not real muslims just to fool ppl) and later left Islam so that they could put doubts into the heart of Muslims that there's something wrong abt Islam... and that is the case for Algeria...although i dont know if they are leaving Islam..Allah knows better....but even if its true...remember all Muslims this is all a propaganda just as Allah described to put doubts into your hearts........
Be strong...these christians are attacking our muslim countries everyday but remember one thing no matter what they do......there's no end to Islam NO END..........
Islam gave scientific facts that have been proved today....Scientists are amazed at the facts....this one scientist said i think this is the time to embrace Allah and say LA ILAAHA ILALAHU MUHAMMAD....

GO TO http://www.beconvinced.com/WHATTHEYSAY.htm AND SEE WHAT SCIENTISTS, POLITICIANS SAID ABT ISLAM

Most of our prophecies told by Muhammad have also come true by now....
Perhaps you could list them all and reference them?

http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Park/6443/Prophecies/greene.html
http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Park/6443/Prophecies/hidden.html

I believe these two links do contain some prophecies as foretold by the Quran.

First of all Muhammad is spelled with an upper case, you kafir. There are many names of Muhammad and the number is growing rapidly and will be growing.
Let me tell you something, if you're a christian you are lost. Coz you don't know what to believe in. The original Bible contradicts the letter. You're completely confused and unsure which one to follow. Unlike Bible the Qoran has never been rewriten for several times in different languages. Coz we LOVE and RESPECT our religion and will never let anybody to rewrite it for us.
Unlike you We know that we're in the right path and the end is clear for us. We know the exact rules that we should obey not be thrown in the hell. But you, you don't know nothing. Even Jesus (who is considered as a prophet in Islam) was rejected by his own people. You call yourself christian but never go to the church, you call yourself christian but don't know anything except 10 commendments from Bible, you call yourself christian but don't know where this word oreginated from, you call yourself christian but don't know that Jesus was burnt in the Hell for three days... Ask any christian he won't know it...
So now you tell me which one sucks ...

Jamol,

You suck. Anyway, I only said that because you asked! :) Jesus went to Hell for three days not to roast but to deliver the souls that did not belong there because humans had sealed themselves off from God's grace by our bad behavior. He then returned, hence the Resurrection.

I have read more than one translation of the Koran so I have no idea where you get his notion that it's never been altered. I havae Picktall's and Yusuf Ali and my friend had an altogether different one. I go to Church every Sunday and several times during the week, as do all the Christians I see in Church with me. Don't worry about how Muhammed spells his name. We were warned to recognize false prophets no matter what name they use.

Incidentally, the Koran acknowledges Jesus as the Messiah no less than 26 times yet you insist He was a mere prophet. Fortunately for you, Christians pray constantly for the souls of unbelievers, so you may still be saved by our compassion and God's grace.
See? Even when you insult my religion, I refuse to take God's place as judge of who goes to Hell.

Hey Mr. proud Muslim. i see you have been doing alot of research; good!1

"Narrow is the way that leads to eternal life/heaven and few are those that find it. But broad is the way that leads to destruction and hell and many are they that walk on this broad road." These were the words of Jesus attesting to the sad fact that there will be more people in hell/jehana than in paradise. It is easy to live a life of sinful pleasures tha to strive and live a holy life. THE FACT THAT ONE RELIGION HAS MORE FOLLOWERS THAN THE REST DOES NOT MEAN IT IS THE TRUE PATH.
(In a town where evrybody is a criminal, will that make criminality a good thing?)
The "Truth" is not in numbers.

Proud Muslim please read the book of Revelation in the Holy bible. It will give you stuff to think about. It is the last book in the bible so it is easy to find. Revelation is "hakika" in arabic , i hope you speak arabic;as a muslim that will help you.

Lastly Jesus is alive . All other prophets/founders of religions are dead.
Jesus loves you proud muslim. The Holy Quran says Jesus is the mesiah(sura 3;44). That means he is the saviour of the world.
Jesus saves from a sinful lifestyle.(Anger,hate ,adultery,fornication,homosexuality,drunken-ness and the like)
Jesus said ' I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one can come to know God but by me." As sinners we cannot experience the Holy god of the bible neither can we know Him. "Your sins have separated you from the almighty God", says the bible.

God is love. which of the two demonstrates true love to people; Christianity or Islam. Mark you that if a muslim converts to christianity the other muslims and family members are supposed to kill the converted ex-muslim. But christians are told by Christ jesus to love their enemies, and pray for those that mistreat you. Forgive so that the heavenly father might forgive you.
The quran allows muslims to use force and even death to convert kaffirs(non-believers) Muhammad fought many bloody battles in the spread of islam.
But Jesus did not kill anyone. He said those who rule by the sword will also die by the sword .

The early christian church were severely persecuted, thrown to lions,beheaded, sawn in two and stoned for their belief in Jesus as the savior of the world. They never fought back physically but the gospel of Jesus spread faster than wild fire.
In 1970s, Uganda ,Africa, a muslim president Idi Amin came to power. He was a real dictator who took people's wives and killed them. He ordered the arrest and murder of many christian bishops. However, that is when the number of christians in uganda multiplied.

The more christianity is oppossed the more it spreads . There is a divine hand behind the gospels in the bible.
THE PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL IS FOOLISHNESS TO THOSE WHO ARE PERISHING, BUT TO US WHO ARE SAVED IT IS THE POWER OF GOD.
Jesus is alive this 21st century and is coming back to earth!!!

[QUOTE=tomasito]Hey Mr. proud Muslim. i see you have been doing alot of research; good!
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M*W: Christianity is NOT the "narrow way." Christianity is the WRONG WAY! If Jesus had ever lived, do you think he would want you to know that he was scourged and crucified? Probably not. What humiliation! Now Christians bear that humiliation! There was no need for Jesus to die, and there was no reason for Jesus to live. Jesus is but a footnote in history. Jesus saved us from naught.
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These were the words of Jesus attesting to the sad fact that there will be more people in hell/jehana than in paradise.
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M*W: Now, what is the purpose of this? Do you really think we have a creator that is all or nothing? Not so.
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It is easy to live a life of sinful pleasures tha to strive and live a holy life. THE FACT THAT ONE RELIGION HAS MORE FOLLOWERS THAN THE REST DOES NOT MEAN IT IS THE TRUE PATH.
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M*W: Our creator is our innermost consciousness. That is a gift that humanity has been given... the truth about our spirit.
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(In a town where evrybody is a criminal, will that make criminality a good thing?) The "Truth" is not in numbers.
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M*W: The "truth" is found in our human spirit.
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Proud Muslim please read the book of Revelation in the Holy bible. It will give you stuff to think about. It is the last book in the bible so it is easy to find. Revelation is "hakika" in arabic, i hope you speak arabic;as a muslim that will help you.
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M*W: PM, don't be concerned about tomasito's post. He is the lost soul. Revelation is an interesting read if one has the spiritual knowledge to interpret it. (Tomasito doesn't).
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Lastly Jesus is alive. All other prophets/founders of religions are dead.
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M*W: No, Jesus is not alive, and may never have been alive. Jesus is a myth of a dying demigod savior. If you believe a myth can save you, so be it.
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M*W: Jesus is dead--or he was never alive. He loves NO ONE!
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The Holy Quran says Jesus is the mesiah(sura 3;44). That means he is the saviour of the world. Jesus saves from a sinful lifestyle.
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M&W: The Qur'an says Jesus was a prophet; therefore, I believe Jesus did, in fact, exist, but not as God and not as a savior, just a simple prophet of his time.
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(Anger,hate ,adultery,fornication,homosexuality,drunken-ness and the like) Jesus said ' I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one can come to know God but by me." As sinners we cannot experience the Holy god of the bible neither can we know Him. "Your sins have separated you from the almighty God", says the bible.
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M*W: We are all part of God, and God is part of us. We were created in his image. That is the gift our creator gave us. No one had to die for us. The Qur'an is more truthful than the Bible. Jesus didn't die for anyone, and no one is saved except by the One Spirit of God.

Here is the unswer to your question,
How many muslims were around you 10 years ago and how many you see now? How many mosques were there in the U.S. itself 10 years ago and how many there are now? Just look around you, you'll realize and see how many muslims are out there. Everybody knows that the number of converts to Islam is increasing but nobody wants to admit it coz nobody wants to admit that s/he is loosing.

Here is the unswer to your question,
How many muslims were around you 10 years ago and how many you see now? How many mosques were there in the U.S. itself 10 years ago and how many there are now?The majority of people become Xian in the USA. Anyway, in the same vain, how many atheists were there 200 years ago in the US, how about 100, or 50 - now compare that with today.

Muslims and Xian’s are losing :)

Michael,

What you're saying is sort of true but sort of not. Christianity isn't one hundred percent as it was 200 years ago but it is now about 86% which is way up from what it was in the 70's. In fact, church attendance is up to the same levels as it was in the 60's in the US. This is not an American or Christian study but a BBC study done a few months ago, however there have been several studies over the past couple of years which indicate the same numbers. I saw an entire display in the bookstore the other day dealing with the current Christian revival in the US.

Apparently it's been going on since the 90's. I am Catholic and I think many Catholics are going to other forms of Christianity, but the overall number of practicing Christians is rising.

So yes, there are more atheists in the US now than 200 years ago but there is a higher percentage of practicing Christians than there was thirty years ago.

Paula,
You might be an exception amongst many many Christians, that you go to church and know what happened to Jesus for those three days. Believe me if you go out and aks a rendom Christian about it he won't know.
About Qur'an I meant that we still have the original (Arabic, the first hand written) Of course there are thousands of copies in different languages but the thing is the "Original is still there". Where is your's? You don't know. Besides if you really believe in Jesus why don't you follow his own sayings (Original Bible) but you believe in somebody else's (sorry I don't know who wrote the Second one, there are so many of them)?
As you said it's not allowed for you guys to kill, steal, and hate... why then so many Iraqis are getting killed by the U.S. troops? If the Bible says not to steal, why then you're almost stealing the Iraq's oil? If the Bible says don't hate your enemy why aren't you praying for the terrorists but going after them? It means that you're not following what you're supposed to as true Christians right?

This table below shows the growth of Islam:

North America (1989-1998) 25%

...

Latin America -4.73%


'Cept that ain't growth.
It's decay.

Looks like the Latino Catholics don't take well to Mohammedism.



We are having the last laugh.....look at you, you are so desperate sad creatures !!!

go on brother Munim, you and young Muslims like you are indeed OUR BRIGHT FUTURE.



All right. It's official.



There's no way you believe the crap you post.


You have got to be some guy, bored out of his mind at work, who just up and decided to troll forums for kicks.



This is all some kind of sick contest to you.


Guess what... you win the A.S.S. award, for Astoundingly Stultifying Shenanigans.


Like my liberal use of color?
I learn from the best!!!!! :D :rolleyes: !!!!!!! :D !!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! !! !!!!!!! !!! !!!



Congratulations.





P.S. In case you didn't catch that, yes, I did just criticize your immature posting style.

First of all (m)uhammad is spelled with an upper case, for the delusional ego he had?

you kafir. infidel

There are many names of (m)uhammad & they all spell false prophet

and the number is growing rapidly and will be growing. sad, more going to hell, satan loves it, sorry for you, convert to the truth before its to late

Let me tell you something, if you're a christian you are lost. look in the mirror, when you say that infidel. the standard is Jesus, all things after are judged against Him & His words, islam falls as a false decieving religion, mohammad of the lies, allah of the crescent-moon god, the quran of satanic verses

Coz you don't know what to believe in. The original Bible contradicts the letter. You're completely confused and unsure which one to follow. you must be talking about Mormons & JW's, they learned their lessons form mohammad, satan uses all ways to turn aside the lost

Unlike Bible the Qoran has never been rewriten for several times in different languages.
you are to blind, even a little reading would let you know the truth of that lie, all the surahs in longest to shortest lenght? the meccan & medinan surahs mixed up, aboragation of surahs, satanic veses? read the hadiths, the quran, you will run from error, if you search for truth

Coz we LOVE and RESPECT our religion and will never let anybody to rewrite it for us. too late, you should have told that to Calif Utman, when he put the quan together for the 2nd or 3rd time

Unlike you We know that we're in the right path and the end is clear for us. as Jesus said, broad is the path to destruction

We know the exact rules that we should obey not be thrown in the hell. But you, you don't know nothing.
there is only one rule, Jesus is the only way to heaven

Even Jesus (who is considered as a prophet in Islam) was rejected by his own people. Jews were His first followers, first converts

You call yourself christian but never go to the church, you call yourself christian but don't know anything except 10 commendments from Bible, you call yourself christian but don't know where this word oreginated from, you call yourself christian but don't know that Jesus was burnt in the Hell for three days... Ask any christian he won't know it... so you are an expert on christian behaviour & rules, convert infidel

So now you tell me which one sucks ... sorry, infidel, but islam is not the answer

Jamol,

The New American Bible was translated to English from the original Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic texts. It is considered the best English translation as others were translated from French or Latin Bibles which had already been translated once. During the Reformation some sects of Christianity left out a few Old Testament books because their originals could not be located and they wanted to ensure purity. These books are called the apocrypha. Since the New Testament is the fulfillment of the Scripture, the Old Testament is regarded as less important in Christianity. However, in the intervening years all of these texts were found and some Protestant churches now use Bibles that include the apocrypha, or deuterocanonical books.

It is incorrect to say that the Bible has been radically altered or a new version released other than during the Reformation. New translations are sometimes made, such as from archaic English to contemporary English. For example I have one Bible that reads "Ask and thou shalt receive, seek and ye shall find" and the other reads "Ask and you shall receive, seek and you shall find". That's the nature of the changes. The sayings and lessons are the same.

One need not be Christian to be an American but since the majority of Americans are at least nominal Christians, you bring up a good point. Christianity has a doctrine called the Just War Doctrine which can only be invoked under the strictest of guidelines. The three main features of a just war are just cause, competent authority and right intent. According to Christian Ethics Today "If the intent is merely to inflict harm or to seek revenge or gain some economic advantage, then the cause is not just."

Afghanistan was deemed by most Christian leaders to meet this criteria as it was known to be the safe haven of al-Qaeda, but the war in Iraq was judged by the majority of Christian leaders, including the Pope, to fall short of meeting the Just War criteria. Like jihad, this concept is meant to encompass self-defense or the defense of a weaker people only. Like jihad, the term is corrupted for use by those with a more sinister agenda.

The appeasement of Christians against the war may be one reason that instilling democracy and liberating Iraqis from Hussein became the reason for war after no WMD's were found. I'm not a fan of this war but I still think this can happen.

This puts the American soldier, if he is a practicing Christian (and I know many who are) in an awkward predicament. They are obliged to obey their President because they have joined the military, ostensibly to defend their homeland. They are compelled to follow the dictates of their religion, the majority of which did not approve the War in Iraq. I believe most soldiers probably feel they are giving the Iraqis a shot at a better future by staying the course. I have heard this from my cousin and a friend who are serving in Fallujah right now.

The price of oil is ourageous right now so I can't speak to stealing anybody's oil. I know this is the working theory in the Middle East but I have never seen any proof that anything is being stolen from Iraq or Iraqis.

For what it's worth, my Church prays every day for the people of Iraq and Afghanistan, Israel and Palestine, for the troops, for the salvation of the terrorists, for peace in our Holy Land and for the end to these and all wars. However, Americans and Christians may prefer peace and strive for peace, but we are not obliged by either our Bible or our Constitution to allow ourselves to be slaughtered. Events like 9/11, Bali and Madrid do more to harm Muslims than they do Christians or Americans or anyone else.

According to Muslim Statistics, Muslims are now about 2 BILLION (Third of the world ) :

Muslims in Asia (1996) 1,022,692,000 (30%)

Muslims in Africa (1996) 426,282,000 (59%)

Total Number of Muslims on the Earth (1996) 1,482,596,925

Total Number of People on the Earth (1996) 5,771,939,007

Percentage of Muslims (1996) 26%

Islam annual growth rate (1994-1995) from U.N. 6.40%

Christianity growth rate (1994-1995) from U.N. 1.46%

Total Number of Muslims on the Earth (1998) 1,678,442,000

Expected Number of Muslims on the Earth (2000) 1,902,095,000

This table below shows the growth of Islam:

North America (1989-1998) 25%

Africa 2.15%

Asia 12.57%

Europe 142.35%

Latin America -4.73%

Australia 257.01%

The number of the total population has been taken from The CIA World's Facts Book.
There is an old saying: there are three kinds of lies; lies, damn lies & statistics.

I guess you just gave us the answer,

2 billion or 1.5 billion?

fastest growing or declining overall?

Where was the starting point?

I wish I had paid more attention in stats class, I'd sink your little ship!

I have read more than one translation of the Koran so I have no idea where you get his notion that it's never been altered. I havae Picktall's and Yusuf Ali and my friend had an altogether different one.

The Quran, to be fully comprehended, must be read in the original language it was revealed in, Arabic. What you my friend was reading was the translation. The Quran is made to be read in Arabic because it kinda sorts like in a meter and rhymes, kinda like poetry. Translating it to another language makes it lose some expression.

Also, you will find that there are no two different alternations of the Quran in Arabic. However, when reading a translation, you will come upon many different versions.

Also, I'm not too sure, but I too possess an English Quran which I think was written by Yusuf Ali. On the left column was the English text and on the right was the Arabic version. I'm not too sure if Picktall does that too, but if you were to compare both the Arabic versions from both Quran translations, you will find the Arabic to be verbatim.

The Quran, to be fully comprehended, must be read in the original language it was revealed in, Arabic.
arabic? so god is an arabic god? what's the matter, this so-called god of the universe, only can be understood in one human language? must be a tribal god, poor allah of the crescent-moon, he must be embarrassed that he can not speak to all us other earthians. no wonder he is so mad, trying to conquer the world, so that we can all become arabs & understand him, hmmm, now I understand, arabic yes


What you my friend was reading was the translation. The Quran is made to be read in Arabic
if allah is the god of the universe, why can't his so-called holy words be translated into, lets say, Mexican? (as everyone knows, it's the real language of God). is allah a studderer, does he speeak English with an arabic accent?


because it kinda sorts like in a meter and rhymes, kinda like poetry.
so, the poetry is more important than the message? is that what you are telling us? or are you saying that muslims are idolizing the language the quran was written in? too bad then, the message is only for arabs & those they conquer, sad


Translating it to another language makes it lose some expression.
so, are you saying that the words of this so-called god, do not translate well? too bad, your god needs more language courses.

Pakman, I bet you speak more languages than your god! why, he's so monolingual, he reminds me of most americans, funny huh, pity.

Pakman, get a real God, go to the one that saves you, loves you, wants you to willingly give your heart & soul, submit to HIm, without being a slave, but a friend of God, if islam is submission, submit to truth; Jesus, the way, the truth and the life!

About Qur'an I meant that we still have the original (Arabic, the first hand written) Of course there are thousands of copies in different languages but the thing is the "Original is still there". Where is your's? You don't know. Besides if you really believe in Jesus why don't you follow his own sayings (Original Bible) but you believe in somebody else's (sorry I don't know who wrote the Second one, there are so many of them)?1)What year was the Qur'an started and when was it completed?

2) Are you suggesting that all Arabic published Qur'ans are identical to one another?

3) "About Qur'an I meant that we still have the original".

Who has it? I mean where is this original Qur'an?

Re: BATH ! :p
IN YOUR FACE [deleted]:

Islamic Britain lures top people Sunday Times 22 February 2004
MORE than 14,000 white Britons have converted to Islam after becoming disillusioned with western values, according to the first authoritative study of the phenomenon......


Even if islam is the fastest growing, what is the deduction?


P.S.: Smoking among teenagers is growing at 10% every year. :m:

About Qur'an I meant that we still have the original (Arabic, the first hand written) Of course there are thousands of copies in different languages but the thing is the "Original is still there".

I don't think you do have the original handwritten Quran, and I've never heard a muslim claim to have it.

About Qur'an I meant that we still have the original (Arabic, the first hand written)
you obviously don't know enough about your own history to tell us about it. the originals were burned by calif uthman, after about the 2nd or 3rd version. read the hadiths to start, use your broswer to search the truth, not just troll
http://debate.org.uk/topics/books/origins-koran.html

Of course there are thousands of copies in different languages but the thing is the "Original is still there".
after calif uthman had gotten as many palm leaves, bones, memories, palypri, etc., he supposedly had all other copies burned after getting 4 duplicates to the 4 corners of the muslim world, anyway, that's the story

Where is your's? You don't know.
1000's of manuscripts, our people were literate

Besides if you really believe in Jesus why don't you follow his own sayings (Original Bible)
thanks, & I suppose you know where this original is at? :D

but you believe in somebody else's (sorry I don't know who wrote the Second one, there are so many of them)?
why mohammad of course, that's why I don't believe in it

As you said it's not allowed for you guys to kill, steal, and hate... why then so many Iraqis are getting killed by the U.S. troops? If the Bible says not to steal,
what a hypocrite, muslims do that every day, why don't you hold them to the same standards? where were you when saddam & his sons had the run of that country? or is it ok, because they were muslims?


why then you're almost stealing the Iraq's oil?
are you sure about that? proof?

If the Bible says don't hate your enemy why aren't you praying for the terrorists but going after them? It means that you're not following what you're supposed to as true Christians right?
& you are a true muslim? can you say the same about yourself? truely?

Smoking among teenagers is growing at 10% every year.
10% of what?

ISLAM is growing faster in Africa than anywhere else in the world,there have been countless articles on the growth of Islam especialy in Rawanda after the christian genocide of the 90's, here's a link from an evangelical christian site reporting to the massive growth of ISLAM

(A CHRISTIAN NEWS WEBSITE)'' Islam is exploding across sub-Saharan Africa at a rate even statisticians are having difficulty quantifying, and its growth, fueled by seemingly limitless funding...............''. . http://www.worthynews.com/news-features/spread-of-islam.html

ISLAM GAINING IN RAWANDA SOURCE =INTERNATIONAL HERALD TRIBUNE

http://www.iht.com/articles/513696.html

When 800,000 of their Tutsi countrymen were slaughtered in a massacre that began 10 years ago this week, many Rwandans lost faith not only in their government but also in their religion. Today, in what is still a predominantly Roman Catholic country, Islam is the fastest-growing religion.
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Many people, disgusted by the role some Catholic priests and nuns played in the genocide, have shunned organized religion altogether, and many more have turned to Islam..................................

ISLAM GAINING IN RAWANDA SOURCE =INTERNATIONAL HERALD TRIBUNE

http://www.iht.com/articles/513696.html

When 800,000 of their Tutsi countrymen were slaughtered in a massacre that began 10 years ago this week, many Rwandans lost faith not only in their government but also in their religion. Today, in what is still a predominantly Roman Catholic country, Islam is the fastest-growing religion.
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Many people, disgusted by the role some Catholic priests and nuns played in the genocide, have shunned organized religion altogether, and many more have turned to Islam..................................
Johnahmed Al Jazeera ran a piece on christianity that opainted a very different piece in 1900 there were 1 million catholics in africa today there are 350 million as compared to 347 million muslims you can find the link earlier in this thread

simple answer NO the fastest is common sense

10% of what?
The number of teenage smokers grows at 10% p.a. is the deduction.

That wouldn't mean smoking is better to non-smoking.

simple answer NO the fastest is common sense

Aljazeera article has to be wild exaggeration or pure fantasy,christians world wide report 1.5 million annual conversions per year,mostly in india,china,the figure of 6 million from africa alone does seem pure fantasy..
anyone interested in the real growth of islam verses christiantiyi i advise to check www.adherents.com an independednt western site that predicts islam to overtake christiantiy in numbers within 25 years !!

Apparently in Algeria more and more people are turning away from islam in reaction to the terror that the islamists have perpetrated in allahs name. Many of these people are Karbilya of whom there are around 1 million in France all of whom muslims count as french muslims, are they really.


That actually fits in perfectly with al quidas tried and true saying "they love life while we love death"

from hereconverting (http://www.meforum.org/article/104 )

I've got a feeling that the global terror al-quida is unleashing to spread islam will end up being, if not the last then one of the last nails in the coffin of islamAljazeera article has to be wild exaggeration or pure fantasy,christians world wide report 1.5 million annual conversions per year,mostly in india,china,the figure of 6 million from africa alone does seem pure fantasy..
anyone interested in the real growth of islam verses christiantiyi i advise to check www.adherents.com an independednt western site that predicts islam to overtake christiantiy in numbers within 25 years !

the growth of islam is more visible in europe than anywhere else,i;m not referring to long standing muslim communities but daily conversions of christians to islam,a visit to any mosque in the uk for example will reveal this.the BBC (UK) 11.30 program on monday "a muslim in the family" makes the point even more clearer, ISLAM is GAINING

the growth of islam is more visible in europe than anywhere else,i;m not referring to long standing muslim communities but daily conversions of christians to islam,a visit to any mosque in the uk for example will reveal this.the BBC (UK) 11.30 program on monday "a muslim in the family" makes the point even more clearer, ISLAM is GAINING

LET'S SEE, IF YOU START FROM ZERO,
any increase will be great.

oh, it's nice to know those euros are so gullible,
next thing you know, they'll think the earth is flat

:D

Randolfo,

I have pointed this out many times. 14,000 British and 20,000 Poles over the course of the last twenty years is insignificant compared to hundreds of millions in Africa and Asia and many thousands of secretly practicing Christians in the Middle East.

[QUOTE=Lemming3k]Its very difficult to prove any religion is growing fastest in the world, theres so many countrys and so many relgions and you'd need to take all of them into account, as far as i was aware more people are becoming athiest than anything else and not going to church or anything.
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/rib.html
Thats a good link for overall statistics in britain, and if you can find something similar from five years ago then you'll see the change in religions in britain, only a few hundred countries to go then we'll have this case solved....
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M*W: I found an interesting article regarding Christianity's decline.

by Peter <kiffa2004@yahoo.com> wrote:

"THE HOLLOWING OUT OF CHRISTIANITY"

"Europe is increasingly a post-Christian society, one with a
diminishing connection to its tradition or its historic values. The numbers of believing, observant Christians has collapsed in the past two generations to the point that some observers call it the "new dark continent." Already, analysts estimate Britain's mosques host more worshippers each week than does the Church of England."

* From: the article "The human comedy of the coming Muslim Europe" by Daniel Pipes, May 11, 2004 / 20 Iyar, 5764

"Daniel Pipes is director of the Middle East Forum and the author of several books, most recently Militant Islam Reaches America.

To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DebatesOnJesus/

P_M, I'll be praying & waiting for your name to appear here, don't be 'proud', be 'humble' before your God

Amidst all the garbage in this thread, that's the best line I've read here.

I really wish everyone were a bit more humble in their beliefs.

- N

[QUOTE=Neildo]Amidst all the garbage in this thread, that's the best line I've read here.

I really wish everyone were a bit more humble in their beliefs.
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M*W: Humility can be a good thing as long as it doesn't instill the fear of searching for the truth.

Countries with access to the sciforums religeon forum, who have seen PM's posts, are losing Islamic members..

[QUOTE=Neildo]Amidst all the garbage in this thread, that's the best line I've read here.

I really wish everyone were a bit more humble in their beliefs.
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M*W: Humility can be a good thing as long as it doesn't instill the fear of searching for the truth.
ahh..., but what is truth? does it change as time ticks by, as people & cultures evolve or is it set in stone?

almost everything you have ever posted on Sciforums as truth, is lies to me,

so, who is more grounded in truth, or is truth relative &/or who is more deluded?

[QUOTE=Randolfo][COLOR=Red]ahh..., but what is truth? does it change as time ticks by, as people & cultures evolve or is it set in stone?

almost everything you have ever posted on Sciforums as truth, is lies to me,

so, who is more grounded in truth, or is truth relative &/or who is more deluded?
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M*W: The truth is not set in stone. The truth is already being revealed, but some people are too afraid to believe it. As people and cultures evolve, as you say, the truth will become more obvious as will the lies. You are of the mindset that Christianity is the truth, so you don't want to learn the truth that's being revealed about Christianity. It's your choice to believe in lies. That's what you've been programmed to do.

The highest birth rate.
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/arabracismplusjihad/Victims">Victims</a>

M*W: The truth is not set in stone. The truth is already being revealed, but some people are too afraid to believe it. As people and cultures evolve, as you say, the truth will become more obvious as will the lies.

The truth is a stone which some have tripped over.


You are of the mindset that Christianity is the truth, so you don't want to learn the truth that's being revealed about Christianity. It's your choice to believe in lies. That's what you've been programmed to do.

Who programmed Randolfo? If you say yourself, you're clearly not better than he is because you contend that humanity is a god, a god who should be able to program itself appropriately. If you say God, I'm sure God has good reasons for that. If you say, Christianity, then who programmed Christianity? Could there be a darker force than Christianity?

[QUOTE=Lemming3k]Its very difficult to prove any religion is growing fastest in the world, theres so many countrys and so many relgions and you'd need to take all of them into account, as far as i was aware more people are becoming athiest than anything else and not going to church or anything.
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/rib.html
Thats a good link for overall statistics in britain, and if you can find something similar from five years ago then you'll see the change in religions in britain, only a few hundred countries to go then we'll have this case solved....
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M*W: I found an interesting article regarding Christianity's decline.

by Peter <kiffa2004@yahoo.com> wrote:

"THE HOLLOWING OUT OF CHRISTIANITY"

"Europe is increasingly a post-Christian society, one with a
diminishing connection to its tradition or its historic values. The numbers of believing, observant Christians has collapse