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pavlosmarcos 11-02-04, 04:04 PM you xians believe your god to be a god of love but it is also a god of evil and I dont mean because of all the evil deeds in the bible, but that it is written in isaiah and samuel that god has created evil and it dwells inside him. and i quote "Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." and I quote "1st Samuel 16:14/15 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
: And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee."
so man is not to blame for evil, but god is.
this is pretty damning dont you think.
c20H25N3o 11-02-04, 05:01 PM you xians believe your god to be a god of love but it is also a god of evil and I dont mean because of all the evil deeds in the bible, but that it is written in isaiah and samuel that god has created evil and it dwells inside him. and i quote "Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." and I quote "1st Samuel 16:14/15 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
: And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee."
so man is not to blame for evil, but god is.
this is pretty damning dont you think.
Given that God Is Who He Is, dont you think you had better *sshhhh...*
Come to know His grace, it is infinately greater than his anger :eek:
If you think I am lying, check out Jesus' message in the bible.
thanks
c20
SnakeLord 11-02-04, 05:41 PM Given that God Is Who He Is, dont you think you had better *sshhhh...*
god has a problem with freedom of speech?
c20H25N3o 11-02-04, 06:26 PM god has a problem with freedom of speech?
Ok post your complaints to God. Not me. Address them to God right here. Your personal complaints. God listens.
thanks
c20
what768 11-02-04, 06:32 PM What is a "Xian"?
Is death evil? If a lot of people die? Then why does God let it happen? - Because it is not evil. What if an asteroid collides on earth and kills millions of people; We wouldn't call that evil, would we? And the people wouldn't suffer because they would die instantly. God wants us to understand that nothing lasts in this world and he doesn't want us to love material things, because they always perish and then makes us sad.
The death of material things is a natural thing, and God acts through nature. Many of these massmurders that God made are actually "natural" things, I believe. God creates light, the light casts a shadow. God creates good, the good casts a shadow. The good can't be without the evil, but for God there is no evil or good, because they are in balance. Evil comes from man's ego.
Sadness and evil things makes us realize happiness, love and truth. Without duality we can't understand. We must have a ground to jump, but we mustn't use the ground for more than a platform under our feets. We mustn't become slaves of material desires. What does it matter if "I" (my body?) don't feel good? Why would I make a difference between good and bad, between these divine creations?
anonymous2 11-02-04, 06:46 PM god has a problem with freedom of speech?
He sure does. A lot of gods don't like being spoken against. Zeus will strike you down. ;) Or maybe Christians will argue that you have real freedom of speech. You either can speak your mind, or.. ;)
c20H25N3o 11-02-04, 07:02 PM He sure does. A lot of gods don't like being spoken against. Zeus will strike you down. ;) Or maybe Christians will argue that you have real freedom of speech. You either can speak your mind, or.. ;)
The bible tells us to be bold before the throne of God. I tell you this, when you kneel before that throne and your very soul is trembling, it is a real blessing to be allowed to be bold with God, to know that His grace is sufficient for you even though you are nothing more than a son of dust. That he much prefers you to stand and call Him Father
peace
c20
anonymous2 11-02-04, 07:06 PM The bible tells us to be bold before the throne of God. I tell you this, when you kneel before that throne and your very soul is trembling, it is a real blessing to be allowed to be bold with God, to know that His grace is sufficient for you even though you are nothing more than a son of dust. That he much prefers you to stand and call Him Father
peace
c20
Bold? Are you sure about that? As for kneeling before that throne and my very soul is trembling, you bet. If Christianity is true, and I am wrong, then I will be "freaking out" to say the least. One can make that argument about other religions though. If you die and stand before Osiris, well, ;)
It's still the "carrot and the stick". If Christians can't convince people with the "love of God", they try the "wrath of God" or vice versa. What mental manipulation. :) Didn't Paul said that love is not jealous? But you think God is love and jealous. I'd agree more with Paul that love is not jealous. If you TRULY love someone, you don't threaten that one with eternal damnation if that one doesn't do what you want.
Medicine*Woman 11-02-04, 07:54 PM c20H25N3o: Ok post your complaints to God. Not me. Address them to God right here. Your personal complaints. God listens.
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M*W: ...but will God reply, or will that be you calling yourself "The Lord?" Since you have failed to do it, let God show himself and prove his existence to the rest of us.
Given that God Is Who He Is, dont you think you had better *sshhhh...*
Come to know His grace, it is infinately greater than his anger
ok lets see about your Gods grace again
http://thewaronfaith.com/bible_quotes.htm
gendanken 11-02-04, 09:21 PM Ha. Encore. BAHHHAHHA!!
c20H25N3o is a kneeling, trembling, faggoting little Christian.
Who would have thought? Good, now I know why.
The bible tells us to be bold before the throne of God.
Yes, especially when you have nothing to be bold about.
I tell you this, when you kneel before that throne and your very soul is trembling,
Read enough stories about bloodletting in Jericho, killing children, oh I don't know, a hairy Palestinian Jew randomly showing up at your doorstep after you saw him slaughtered three days ago- is it any wonder your tiny behind is trembling?
it is a real blessing to be allowed to be bold with God, to know that His grace is sufficient for you even though you are nothing more than a son of dust.
Speak for yourself.
I'm made of pearls, vodka, and 24 karat blood..
That he much prefers you to stand and call Him Father
He'd much rather have his feet licked so he could kick you in the eyeballs.
Kidding.
He'd much rather have his feet lick so he could kick your face in.
Kidding.
He'd much rather have his feet washed by a prostitute to show a love and mercy he denies to those that don't fucking need it.
§outh§tar 11-02-04, 09:38 PM Is it just me or has anyone noticed that c20H25N3o has a problem of NEVER EVER addressing the topic but just going off on some tangent totally unrelated to the discussion at hand? I'm beginning to find it annyoing..
mis-t-highs 11-03-04, 01:52 AM me too, he keeps telling stories with no point and preaching, and worse of all he keeps psychoanalising people.
unfortunatlly he's a bitter man ( a bit of psychoanalising this end) his wife has left him and taken his daughter, he's been in a lunatic asylum, his father hated him, his mother recented him, I bet he was bullied at school.
sad sad, no wonder he has a imaginary friend it's the only person who likes him.
all this was take from his posts.
just found this and thought it relevant to the topic
God's Questionable Nature. True love always has the best interests of others at heart. The God of the Bible clearly does not fit into that category. Will Christians claim that it is in the best interests of most of humanity to end up in hell? I would like to ask Christians, "What's in it for God to send most of humanity to hell?" What kind of divine, perverse, celestial satisfaction says, "They are just getting what they deserve?"
The all-knowing God of the Bible could easily have in the beginning created the heavenly city of New Jerusalem, the final destination of Christians as told in the book of Revelation, and only the people who out of their own free will would have chosen to become Christians, thereby bypassing all suffering, including the creation of hell and the unnecessary and unjust suffering of animals. Some Christians will claim that for some reason known only to God, life has to be lived out. Considering the millions of babies that have been aborted, such a notion is patently absurd unless the majority of Christians will claim that all aborted babies will go to hell.
Would any Christian couple choose to have a child if they knew in advance that the child would end up in hell? Surely, most would not, but that is exactly what the God of the Bible has done.
Since Christians reject all naturalistic arguments regarding the Resurrection, and often to a lesser degree other claims of miracles as well, following is a competing supernaturalistic hypothesis that bypasses that objection:
1) God is evil and the Devil is good. 2) Supposedly fulfilled prophecies are true. 3) Claims of miracles are true, including the Resurrection. 4) An evil God takes pleasure in deceiving mankind, i.e. causing fulfilled prophecies, miracles and the Resurrection of Jesus, and will eventually send all humans to hell.
My hypothesis is simply a role reversal between God and Satan. Second Corinthians 11:14 says "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." First Peter 5:8 says "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour."
The New Testament says that the Pharisees acknowledged that Jesus had supernatural powers to heal people, but that his powers came from Beelzebub. My hypothesis follows that same kind of reasoning. Christians and even some skeptics will find fault with my hypothesis, but it was the Pharisees who first came up with a competing supernaturalistic explanation for Jesus’ powers, not me.
(with thanks to askepticalapproach)
c20H25N3o 11-03-04, 02:33 AM Is it just me or has anyone noticed that c20H25N3o has a problem of NEVER EVER addressing the topic but just going off on some tangent totally unrelated to the discussion at hand? I'm beginning to find it annyoing..
Please report me.
Thanks
c20
the preacher 11-03-04, 02:40 AM The bible tells us to be bold before the throne of God. I tell you this, when you kneel before that throne and your very soul is trembling, it is a real blessing to be allowed to be bold with God, to know that His grace is sufficient for you even though you are nothing more than a son of dust. That he much prefers you to stand and call Him Father
peace
c20
"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
Thomas Jefferson, (1743-1826) 3rd American president, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat. Deist, avid separationist.
I sadly have a brother like you, he says ( he seem to hate everyone) if it was'nt for his fear of god he would kill, I have no fear of god/gods, killing anyone never entered my head.( makes you wonder where the hate comes from, does'nt it)
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SnakeLord 11-03-04, 03:41 AM Ok post your complaints to God. Not me. Address them to God right here. Your personal complaints. God listens.
C20: It wasn't a complaint, it was a question. You can usually tell what a question is because it ends with a question mark, which looks like: ?
As you have now been informed as to what a question looks like, do you think you could possibly answer it?
c20H25N3o 11-03-04, 03:53 AM C20: It wasn't a complaint, it was a question. You can usually tell what a question is because it ends with a question mark, which looks like: ?
As you have now been informed as to what a question looks like, do you think you could possibly answer it?
God has no problem with freedom of speech or choice. After all He gave you both and both are connected. You are correct to say that everything is permissable for you. However not everything that is permissable is beneficial for you.
Denying Jesus is most definately not beneficial for you in the Kingdom of Heaven. It may have great benefit to you of the earth because then you are not persecuted as I am whilst I walk among you. As for me I will turn the other cheek for I know where my Saviour is at. This battle is not of flesh and blood.
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
SnakeLord 11-03-04, 04:22 AM God has no problem with freedom of speech or choice. After all He gave you both and both are connected. You are correct to say that everything is permissable for you. However not everything that is permissable is beneficial for you.
Denying Jesus is most definately not beneficial for you in the Kingdom of Heaven. It may have great benefit to you of the earth because then you are not persecuted as I am whilst I walk among you. As for me I will turn the other cheek for I know where my Saviour is at. This battle is not of flesh and blood.
Right, and then I would ask why you would say:
"Given that God Is Who He Is, dont you think you had better *sshhhh...* "
Why should he *sshhh*? You even said just now that it might have great benefit here on earth, in which case you're now contradicting yourself.
c20H25N3o 11-03-04, 05:19 AM Right, and then I would ask why you would say:
"Given that God Is Who He Is, dont you think you had better *sshhhh...* "
Why should he *sshhh*? You even said just now that it might have great benefit here on earth, in which case you're now contradicting yourself.
Well whilst everything is permissable not everything is beneficial and running your mouth off against the Maker of Heaven and Earth is probably not beneficial. I was like a friend nudging a friend in school who didnt know the teacher was watching him mucking about. It was an act of 'love' which you repeatedly fail to discern because your mind is of this world and not above.
peace
c20
SnakeLord 11-03-04, 06:21 AM Well whilst everything is permissable not everything is beneficial and running your mouth off against the Maker of Heaven and Earth is probably not beneficial.
Well, I had no idea he was so sensitive. I shall handle him with kid gloves in future. Send him my apologies in a 'get well soon' card. If he requires it however, I'll happily burn a cow.
It was an act of 'love' which you repeatedly fail to discern because your mind is of this world and not above.
Apologies, but I fail to see what 'love' has to do with other planets, and why it can't be understood on this one, without focusing on those other planets. The thing is, my life is full of love, bursting with it- and that's all on this world. Perhaps if you took the time to look, you'd notice this world can provide as much love as you'd ever need, and you need not put your head in the clouds to experience it.
fadeaway humper 11-03-04, 06:53 AM SnakeLord, your patience knowns no bounds. Either that, or you are conducting a study on idiocy and having a blast out of it.
Anyway, rock on. It's fun to see you ridicule the loonies on these parts.
c20H25N3o 11-03-04, 06:57 AM Well, I had no idea he was so sensitive. I shall handle him with kid gloves in future. Send him my apologies in a 'get well soon' card. If he requires it however, I'll happily burn a cow.
False humility :rolleyes:
Apologies, but I fail to see what 'love' has to do with other planets, and why it can't be understood on this one, without focusing on those other planets.
You misunderstand what I mean of things above. You think I mean physical planets but that is because you have received the spirit of the world.
The thing is, my life is full of love, bursting with it- and that's all on this world. Perhaps if you took the time to look, you'd notice this world can provide as much love as you'd ever need, and you need not put your head in the clouds to experience it.
This world will be destroyed by fire. It can hold nothing of value for me whatsoever. Love however is not of this world, it is from above.
peace
c20
SnakeLord 11-03-04, 07:16 AM False humility
Not at all. I seriously want you to send him a card and apology from me, and I will seriously burn a cow if that's what it takes. What was it you once said to me.. "can't you just trust people and take them at their word?"
You misunderstand what I mean of things above. You think I mean physical planets but that is because you have received the spirit of the world.
I didn't misunderstand, but by saying "what's above", you can only be referring to planets, meteors, gas clouds and similar such stuff. There is nothing else there - no golden cities, no home of angels and dead people.
Btw, what is "spirit of the world"? It's a big rock, it has no spirit.
This world will be destroyed by fire. It can hold nothing of value for me whatsoever.
A) It's doubtful this planet will be destroyed by fire while you're still alive, and as such is pretty meaningless. Either way though, I fail to see why knowledge of it's eventual destruction somehow lowers the value of your life on it.
B) Apparently god made it just for us. As such it should surely have extreme value to you. You should be out there fondling with the grass, and loving every aspect of this planet created for you. How inconsiderate that god goes to all the trouble merely to hear you say it has no value. Sickening. Perhaps it's time he flooded the planet again, and killed all of those that don't appreciate the hard work he put into it. Repent you sinner.
Love however is not of this world, it is from above.
My wife just came in the room, so I showed her your post and asked if she agreed with this statement. She said; "some people", and that was all she could manage. To be honest, I can't manage much more. This statement is so daft and meaningless, there is little one can say to it.
the preacher 11-03-04, 07:18 AM This world will be destroyed by fire. It can hold nothing of value for me whatsoever. Love however is not of this world, it is from above.
if that is the case then why not leave now, instead of waiting?.
SnakeLord 11-03-04, 07:30 AM Fadeaway Humper: Lol :D Actually though, I must confess that I enjoy it. No idea why, I think god made me enjoy debating with religious nincompoops.
The Preacher: Lol.
c20H25N3o 11-03-04, 07:39 AM if that is the case then why not leave now, instead of waiting?.
Because my work here is not done! But you know this!
the preacher 11-03-04, 09:14 AM how do I know this.
Oh I see, for you are the lord god.LOL
WOW are delusional.
SnakeLord 11-03-04, 10:04 AM Yeah! His work is not done..
He still hasn't answered my questions on the other thread :D
Medicine*Woman 11-03-04, 01:26 PM c20H25N3o: False humility :rolleyes:
You misunderstand what I mean of things above. You think I mean physical planets but that is because you have received the spirit of the world.
This world will be destroyed by fire. It can hold nothing of value for me whatsoever. Love however is not of this world, it is from above.
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M*W: How silly and immature can one man be? You've won the gold.
Medicine*Woman 11-03-04, 01:38 PM SnakeLord: I didn't misunderstand, but by saying "what's above", you can only be referring to planets, meteors, gas clouds and similar such stuff. There is nothing else there - no golden cities, no home of angels and dead people.
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M*W: True, true. "What's above" is just a fig newton of c20's imagination.
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Snake: Btw, what is "spirit of the world"? It's a big rock, it has no spirit.
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M*W: If there is any kind of "spirit of the world," it would be right here in all creation instead of "what's above."
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Snake: A) It's doubtful this planet will be destroyed by fire while you're still alive, and as such is pretty meaningless. Either way though, I fail to see why knowledge of it's eventual destruction somehow lowers the value of your life on it.
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M*W: You know c20 takes everything so literally. The planet will never be destroyed by fire. That scripture simply means the people of the world (humanity) may undergo a spiritual change so we can understand the interconnectedness of each other. I don't mean to imply there will be a "spirit" involved in our change, I believe it is more like the force of human energy that will cause our mentality to change for the better. I also believe that when this transformation occurs, no one will believe in the myth of christianity. Fortunately, according to world statistics, that may come sooner than those folks think!
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Snake: B) Apparently god made it just for us. As such it should surely have extreme value to you. You should be out there fondling with the grass, and loving every aspect of this planet created for you. How inconsiderate that god goes to all the trouble merely to hear you say it has no value. Sickening. Perhaps it's time he flooded the planet again, and killed all of those that don't appreciate the hard work he put into it. Repent you sinner.
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M*W: All c20 fondles is his lying bible. Poor wife!
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Snake: My wife just came in the room, so I showed her your post and asked if she agreed with this statement. She said; "some people", and that was all she could manage. To be honest, I can't manage much more. This statement is so daft and meaningless, there is little one can say to it.
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M*W: Thank God, my daughters give me the same expression! After all, they were raised to be good catholics! When I deconverted, they did, too! Now we can at least communicate on the same level!
Medicine*Woman 11-03-04, 02:40 PM the preacher: if that is the case then why not leave now, instead of waiting?
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M*W: Here's a list of some doomsday cults for anyone looking to leave the Earth sooner than later:
- Moonies. Unification of Christianity
- Children of God, Family of Love
- Church Universal and Triumphant
- Way International
- Holy Order of MANS
- Church of the Living God
- Rev. Ike
- Branch Davidians, "Waco", David Koresh
- People's Temple, Jim Jones, Jonestown
- Millennial Downists
- Church of Satan: Satanism
- Black Mass
- Fetishes
- Santeria
- Macumba
- Voodoo
- Palo Mayombé
- Umbanda
- Occult
- Religious addictions
- Exorcism
- Freemasonry
- Rosicrucianism
- Ku Klux Klan
- New World Order
- Mind Sciences- Silva Mind Control
- Swedenborgianism
- UFOs - Heaven's Gate
- Marxism
- Gurdjieff
- Ouspensky
- Modernism
- Secularism
- Animism
- The End of the Worldists
- Antichrist
- The Tribulationists
- Armageddon
- Milenniumists
- Rapturists
- The Last Judgmentists
- Mark of the Beast: 666 cult
- Apocalypse
- Harmagedon
- Revelationists
- The Second Coming of Christ Believers
- Noahists
- One World Religionists
- Ecumenism
- The Only One Church of Christ
- The Popeists
- The Federation of Religions
- The Authentic Religion
- Baha'i
- Hare Krishna
- Divination
- Children of God
- Charles Manson and The Family
- UFO's and Raelians
- UFO's and Heaven's Gate
- Apparitionits of Jesus & Mary
- Believers in the Shroud of Turin
- Sadducees
- Pharisees
- Transcendental Meditation
- Theosophy
- est
- Puritans
- Hashshashin
- Order of Solar Temple
- Congregational Assassins
- Rejneeshism
- Nazarenes
- Quakers
- Black Muslims
- Divine Light
- Shakers
- Hamas
- Vedanta Society
- Tannaim
- Moravians
- Fundamentalists
- Krishmamurti
- Eckankar
- Karaites
- Churches of Christ
- Disciples In America
- Bubba Free John
- Sephardim
- Adventists
- Ashkenazim
- Salvation Army
- Mysticism
- Pentecostals
- Self Realization
- Charismatics
- Yoga Ashram
- Kabbala Catholics without Pope
- Maitreya
- Hasidism
- Haskala Cults
- Mormonism
- Kharijites
- Zen Buddhism
- Hanbalites
- Trantrism
- Reconstructionists
- Christian Science
- Mu’tazilites
- Hinayana
- Humanism
- Zionism
- Family of Love
- Kama Sutra
- Israel Unity School
- Esoteric: Jodo
- Worldwide Church of God
- Mind Science
- Nichiren Shu
- Silva Mind Control
- Soka Garay
- Jews for Jesus
- Church Universal
- Vedism
- Brahmanism
- Atheism
- Rama
- Church of the Living God
- Sikhism
- Jainism
- Parses
- Central London Tavernism
- Penitents
- Snake Handlers
- The Family (Charles Manson)
- Jeffrey Lundgren
- Rod Parsley: Breakthrough
- Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God
- Concerned Christians
- House of Yahweh
Theres many, many more, but these are a few of the better known cults. Sorry if I duplicated any.
David F. 11-05-04, 10:12 AM Right, and then I would ask why you would say:
"Given that God Is Who He Is, dont you think you had better *sshhhh...* "
Why should he *sshhh*? You even said just now that it might have great benefit here on earth, in which case you're now contradicting yourself.
The answer is - Yes, God has a problem with free speach. It's called murmering and God doesn't like it out of us any more than I like it out of my own children. I tell them - "Wrong answer - say, Yes Sir and go clean your room!"
SnakeLord 11-05-04, 11:43 AM The answer is - Yes, God has a problem with free speach. It's called murmering and God doesn't like it out of us any more than I like it out of my own children. I tell them - "Wrong answer - say, Yes Sir and go clean your room!"
So with many people where do you think resentment comes from? I bet your children deep down think you're an asshole - because you instantly fail on the most important thing there is: Love.
You lower your children to servants, instead of looking upon them as equals. While that is your right, as it is gods, it doesn't win fans - which is what many of you claim god wants.
Tell me David, why did you have kids? Needed a foot stool?
I guess the same question applies to god.
He'd much rather have his feet washed by a prostitute to show a love and mercy he denies to those that don't fucking need it.
One just tells oneself one doesn't need love and mercy, and one can be so good at this that one ends up not needing it, or so one thinks.
There are few things, if any, that we couldn't talk ourselves out of.
To admit that one needs something (whatever it is), would be to admit that one is *not* sufficient all by oneself.
My, that must be a horrible realization for someone who thinks himself bestowed with godly properties like omnipotence.
The ideas that God is evil and hell is fun just cover up the frustration.
It's a nifty, simple, little cognitive dissonance, so frequently present in those who think themselves self-sufficient.
gendanken 11-10-04, 05:56 PM Rosa:
One just tells oneself one doesn't need love and mercy, and one can be so good at this that one ends up not needing it, or so one thinks.
There are few things, if any, that we couldn't talk ourselves out of.
To admit that one needs something (whatever it is), would be to admit that one is *not* sufficient all by oneself.
My, that must be a horrible realization for someone who thinks himself bestowed with godly properties like omnipotence.
The ideas that God is evil and hell is fun just cover up the frustration.
It's a nifty, simple, little cognitive dissonance, so frequently present in those who think themselves self-sufficient.
According to this logic, those that actually are either self-sufficient or close to it actually are not unless softened with pity from others.
Right?
Would you even believe they are happy?
Point to ponder: if one needs to talk themselves out of something, they need it.
You need to convince or argue a point with yourself? You do so because something stands there to oppose you.
A crackwhore, say, will never need to talk herself out of chastity.
Same logic- what does this say about those that don't need to 'talk' themselves out of those things you mentioned? Love and pity.
According to this logic, those that actually are either self-sufficient or close to it actually are not unless softened with pity from others.
Right?
No. I don't think anyone can ever be truly self-sufficient, that's the thing.
Surely, there are be hermits (for the lack of a better word at the moment) -- but you never meet them, do you? And even if you meet them, then they stay closed and uninterested, so they remain quite unnoticed by you.
Would you even believe they are happy?
I suppose they can be -- but I think it is an unrelatable hapiness, a happiness that only they can see, it's a happiness that can not be shared with other people who are not such hermits.
A crackwhore, say, will never need to talk herself out of chastity.
Same logic- what does this say about those that don't need to 'talk' themselves out of those things you mentioned? Love and pity.
That they are therapsids?
But I don't know -- are they happy with who they are? Why do they talk to other people at all?
gendanken 11-11-04, 11:10 PM Pardon delay, Veteran's Day.
Rosa:
No. I don't think anyone can ever be truly self-sufficient, that's the thing.
Surely, there are be hermits (for the lack of a better word at the moment) -- but you never meet them, do you? And even if you meet them, then they stay closed and uninterested, so they remain quite unnoticed by you
Define self-sufficient.
And why the hermits? Bit of a stretch, no?
Self-sufficiency as a state of mind- and it doesn't mean social homicide.
(considering hermits- you don't need to see them to know they're there. The stench of sweat can announce them in the darkest pits of Sheoli....HA!)
I suppose they can be -- but I think it is an unrelatable hapiness, a happiness that only they can see, it's a happiness that can not be shared with other people who are not such hermits
This is the best form of happiness.
All else (mostly) is showbiz.
But I don't know -- are they happy with who they are? Why do they talk to other people at all
Same reason monkeys pick ticks.
You're asking this question becuase you're thinking of hermits, right?
Why?
Define self-sufficient.
Neither wanting nor needing "the look of other eyes", or thinking that one neither wants nor needs "the look of other eyes".
And why the hermits? Bit of a stretch, no?
I did say " ... hermits (for the lack of a better word at the moment) ... "
Self-sufficiency as a state of mind- and it doesn't mean social homicide.
I never said being self-sufficient means social homicide.
“ I suppose they can be -- but I think it is an unrelatable hapiness, a happiness that only they can see, it's a happiness that can not be shared with other people who are not such hermits ”
This is the best form of happiness.
All else (mostly) is showbiz.
While I can understand your position, I do not wish to relate to it. Not anymore. I have had enough to do with self-sufficient intellectuals in my life, and I know better and keep my distance.
“ But I don't know -- are they happy with who they are? Why do they talk to other people at all ”
Same reason monkeys pick ticks.
Uh. That is a horrendous idea -- to consider all human relations to be nothing else but a version of monkeys picking ticks.
You're asking this question becuase you're thinking of hermits, right?
Why?
Forum preconditioning. There was a lot of talk about hermits "We need the look of other eyes" thread. We were also looking for a better word than "hermit", but that still seemed to be the closest one for what was being discussed as the preferred state of a human mind.
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