http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/cetawayo/nefertiti.jpg

http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/nefertiti/face/face.html

Angela Basset

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/cetawayo/Angela.jpg


Do we still have to debate this anymore? Ancient Egyptains were NEGROS.

Yeah?
What about Cleopatra?

Yeah?
What about Cleopatra?

There were over 25 dynasties in Egypt before the Greeks Conquered it.

Of course they were africans. Egypt is in Africa.

Of course they were africans. Egypt is in Africa.

98.9% of this board thinks otherwise. You'll see. :D

I don't see how it's relevant either way.

Do we still have to debate this anymore? Ancient Egyptains were NEGROS.

Archaeologist Bruce Trigger cites what he saw as a deliberate obfuscation of racial politics, asserting that the early Nile valley populations (including

Egyptians) were all Africans and need not be defined by arbitrary constructs of race, devoid of any contextual significance.[32] Egyptologist Frank Yurco

shared a similar sentiment, identifying Egyptian civilization as comprising a mix of North and sub-Saharan African elements that typified Egyptians ever

since, and that the Egyptian people were generally coextensive with other Africans in the Nile valley.[14] Many researchers note a wide range of variability

in ancient Egypt and the Nile Valley, but assert that many Egyptians, especially southern, would be identified as "black" by American classification

standards.[33]

Some genetic studies done on modern Egyptians suggest that most do not have close relations to most tropical Africans,[34] and other studies show that

they are mostly related to other North Africans,[35] and to a lesser extent southern European/Mediterranean and Middle Eastern populations.[5] A 2004

mtDNA study of upper Egyptians from Gurna found a genetic ancestral heritage to modern East Africans, characterized by a high M1 haplotype frequency,

and another study links Egyptians in general with people from modern Eritrea and Ethiopia.[3][36] A 2003 Y chromosome study was performed by Lucotte

on modern Egyptians, with haplotypes V, XI, and IV being most common. Haplotype V is common in Berbers and has a low frequency outside Africa.

Haplotypes V, XI, and IV are all supra/sub-Saharan horn of Africa haplotypes, and they are far more dominant in Egyptians than in Near Eastern or


European groups.[37]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_of_Ancient_Egyptians

how do they get lip and ear size from a skull?

how do they get lip and ear size from a skull?

If you read the article it was saying that genetics seemed to point in the

Mideast direction as to most likely who they were made up of.

so they guessed.

so they guessed.

Based upon scientific results of scientific tests providing them with that

answer. No guessing.

Of course they were africans. Egypt is in Africa.

mmm
sheer idiocy
one size fits all

chile
of course they are amerindian.
chile is in sa

this is notwithstanding the piddling and rather inconvenient fact that 95% are caucs.

hmm, what of this "were"? are egyptians eskimos now?

are these the standards we aspire to in sciforums? how does this sub-human type intelligence get elevated to a mod position. am i to infer that the appointer is similarly lacking in frikking rational thought?

I don't see how it's relevant either way.


of course
to hell with discusssion and opinions
it is not why forums exist

foolish latvians
3rd world rabble

/sneer

Based upon scientific results of scientific tests providing them with that

answer. No guessing.

so genetic testing tells how big a person's ears and lips are? I don't think so!
They guessed.

so genetic testing tells how big a person's ears and lips are? I don't think so!
They guessed.

I was only referring to the likelihood of where they came from.

They guessed in a a politically correct way.

so genetic testing tells how big a person's ears and lips are? I don't think so!
They guessed.

Indigenous people in north Africa are Berbers.

They do not have the sub-Saharan African phenotype (appearance). More Mediterranean/Arabic.

so genetic testing tells how big a person's ears and lips are? I don't think so!
They guessed.

"When biological evidence is gathered, an investigative team can use DNA WITNESS 2.0 (http://bioforensics.com/conference/Racial%20Identification/) to construct a partial physical profile from the DNA and in many cases learn details about the donor's appearance, essentially permitting a partial reconstruction of their driver's license photo."

GUSTAV

sheer idiocy
one size fits all

chile
of course they are amerindian.
chile is in sa

this is notwithstanding the piddling and rather inconvenient fact that 95% are caucs.

hmm, what of this "were"? are egyptians eskimos now?

And when did the Caucassions arrive, in the 1500's? That's not a valid comparisson. He was equating the fact that Africans are idigneous to that reigon, Caucassions are not indigenous to chile. Do you have any better analagies then that one? Cause this one failed miserably.

They guessed in a anotomically correct way.

Fixed

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/cetawayo/nefertiti.jpg

http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/nefertiti/face/face.html

Angela Basset

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/cetawayo/Angela.jpg


Do we still have to debate this anymore? Ancient Egyptains were NEGROS.

Cursory research shows this work to be a nonsense.

In 2003 Dr. Fletcher took part in a controversial expedition to the Valley of the Kings in Egypt, where she claimed to have found the mummy of Queen Nefertiti, among the cache in tomb KV35. Her expedition was funded by the Discovery Channel, which also produced a widely-criticized documentary on her findings.
Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joann_Fletcher)


Funded by the Discovery Channel!

More Afrocentric lies:

http://touregypt.net/featurestories/dcnefertiti.htm

If you look at their own paintings, apparently this quite matches with their skin tone and such.

Some people claim they were not "real" negros because there would have been some miscegenation with people from the north, but once I've read an anthropologist pointing that some taxonomies are widely disputable, he mentioned something like that the most constant reason why they were not considered "real" black people would be just because they've achieved civilization.

It's ironic that, at the same time that egyptians, mixed between black and white are often considered to be white, at the same time that there is the remnant of the "one drop rule" in the US, to which egyptians would be black. (despite of not being quite a taxonomic classification, still is (I think) informally used, is the social concept of race).

I'm not sure if such degree of assertion would be afrocentrism already. I think that afrocentrism implies a lot of other things having their roots traced to Africa in a much more wishful thinking way, akin to nazis thinking they descended from atlanteans, brought culture to the whole world, and this sort of thing.

It's a topic where "weak" afrocentrism and "weak" eurocentrism clash a little bit.


I've not examined yet the text of this site, but it has quite a lot of pictures of egyptians by egyptians themselves:

http://s8int.com/phile/page46.html

I'm not dogmatic in this case, but I think that the case is quite strong for a meaningful black component that would make them to be considered black in most places, rather than whites, even though miscegenation couldn't be ruled out. Their phenotypes seems to range somewhat from some sub-saharian features that I couldn't point more precisely, to somalian types.


Anyhow, I don't see this as a question of much importance, there will be probably a lot of room to argument until we get time machines. Populational traits aren't fixed, so they change and mix, and I think that there are uncertainties even about the origin of caucasoids themselves.

Even though there are "clustered" patterns, eventually we can find some interracial look-alikes (or nearly), such as Charlize theron and Aisha Tyler, Brad Pitt and Gary Dourdan, Rosario Dawson and Anjelina Jolie, Billy Blanks and William Fichtner. Another interesting example would be Socrates, which by his bust, looks like an subsaharan albino (I'm not saying he was! Nor albino neither significantly more african than any greek).

People often aren't "icons" of their races, like some sort of caricature with the most characteristic traits of each race over-emphasised. So at the same time could be that egyptians were "more africans", or that the europeans that came to be the egyptians, at that time, still retained more typically african traits from the african ancestry. Whatever.

Neither europeans nor africans are special creations. So how long does it take to a population be considered "original" from one place or another? What if many typically caucasoid traits originated actually yet on the north of Africa? And for how long caucasoids stood in Africa before the origin of the ancient Egypt, wouldn't this time lapse that make them africans again, by the same reason that the migration of africans eventually originated the caucasians?

The fact that they were #% black or white by some conceivable standard, does not tell anything about blacks and whites, is not quite different than making a case about whether romans preferred to wear white togas or some sort of cream-color.

Sadly, afrocentrism, as other forms of nationalism, derive from lack of the self esteem of the peoples. In this case I think that is a sort of chain reaction, many generic-whites worldwide feeling superior while trumpeting black inferiority, leads to a response of this sort.

It's an adult version of discussing whether tigers or lions are the strongest, whose dad would win in a fight and so on. Their own depictions of themselves look just like they look. There would be people who would call them black africans, by usual social standards, and there would be those who may argue that "caucasoid" or something could be more scientific. I think that arguing even for broader group "correct" taxonomies are somewhat futile, this "microtaxonomy" thing is even more.

so ahh
back to your training (brother)
egyptians are NOT negroes

/feels your pain

oh
pardon
greeks however are negroes through and through

I don't think anyone has said that greeks were blacks.