i have been considering trying LSD. Ive been doing a lot of research and the common answer to this question is yes. From what i have read, no evidence points to it causing brain damage. It also does not store in the spine and release again over time. Flashbacks are ussaly caused by the brain attempting to cope with a bad trip. From what i have read, the most dangeours risk of LSD is something resembling post tramitic stress, caused by an extreamly tramitic trip. Its very very difficult to overdose on LSD. Any thoughts or facts on LSD and its risks. How safe is it? Please site sources if possible

First if I were you, I would instead spend some time learning to correctly capitalise, punctuate, and spell your prose.

Then once you've experimented with LSD and fried your brain, we'll be able to tell. :-)

Let me ask you how much risk are you willing to take experimenting with drugs that you don't know where they were made, who tampered with them or how many micro grams of what type of LSD they have in them? Now iof you want to take that risk and trust your local drug dealer in what he sells you then if you get a "good batch" of LSD and the pill or blotter type you buy is a good quality you should have a safe trip lasting anywhere from 6 to 8 hours depending on what type and strength you use. How your trip goes depends upon your own mind, some peoples can give a great smooth trip while there are others that can get a bad trip going there's no way to really know until you go. Just have a few barbiturates standing by in case its a bad trip to help bring you down . As to flash backs, yes they do happen but they are easily controlled and therefor not much to worry about. So its up to you , do you want to risk your brain cells on something that lasts 6 to 8 hours and is interesting if all goes well or is it really worth the price that you could pay?

I lived around drugs from the time I was about 10, until I was about 25. I did many drugs myself, and spent time with many people who did a lot of drugs. I have also worked in various drug and alcohol treatment centers for five years. There are many drugs that I would highly recommend NOT doing. LSD is one of them. I had 3 friends who did it who are now permanently fucked up as a result. While LSD may not do any brain damage, I believe it does some sort of psyche damage. There is a risk that you may not ever leave the trip. One of my friends had this exact thing happen. 15 years ago she took just one hit, and she is now schizophrenic and needs to live in a home and take a grip of medications, and can't even watch t.v. shows, movies, or carry on conversations because her short term memory is completely shot.
Working in treatment centers, I could always tell who the acid heads were. They would kind of have this blank stare seemed completely incapable of developing mentally beyond about a 15 year old. Sometimes they seemed like an adult, but then when I would sit down and really talk to them, I'd feel like i was talking to someone who mentally really hasn't made it out of the teen years.
I never did LSD, and never wanted to after seeing what it did to my friends. Sure theres a good chance you will take it and come out fine, but the risk of utter madness and psyche destruction makes it not worth it to me.
There are other drugs that are much safer and have effects very similar to LSD. And they are natural. Mushrooms, Mescaline, Morning glory seeds, ayahuasca, DMT, bufotenin, amanitas, ergot... the list goes on and on. Research any of these substances and you will see.

It's definitely not safe. I know two people who are permanently mentally disabled from using LSD.

It's only as safe as your environment. "Set and Setting" it's called, and it's very important. Do it with either people you know well and will also be doing it, or alone away from any possible interference for at least 12 hours. You also need to set aside some time afterward to gather yourself together again. I don't know anyone who suffered anything bad long term from it. Even a bad experience can be transforming. Don't do it if you have any history of mental illness or depression, as it can exacerbate it. It's fairly non-toxic physically. Don't worry about "impurities", that's just a myth. Most of all, it's fun!

Just don't end up like this guy:
http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/847267-man-on-drug-rampage-leaves-stabbed-lamb-maimed-father-burnt-farm-and-severed-penis-in-his-wake

Or this guy:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/gavon/worlds-greatestgrossest-police-report-part-2

And if you feel the urge to fly, try taking off from the ground, don't jump off anything.

thanks everyone. I will research shrooms and other more natural drugs. I just want a crazy trip at least once in my life. Weed is amazing, but i want to hallucinate. Whats the safest natural hallucinagin?

And if you feel the urge to fly, try taking off from the ground, don't jump off anything.

I second that...

Whats the safest natural hallucinagin?

Mushrooms or pyote...

Well known for its psychoactive alkaloids, particularly mescaline, it is used world wide as an entheogen and supplement to various transcendence practices including meditation, psychonautics, and psychedelic psychotherapy. Peyote has a long history of ritualistic and medicinal use by indigenous Americans. It flowers from March through May, and sometimes as late as September. The flowers are pink, with thigmotactic anthers (like Opuntia).

WIKI

this question is kind of funny. people don't do any drugs, especially LSD, because they're looking to be "safe". that's kind of the whole point you know?

There are other drugs that are much safer and have effects very similar to LSD. And they are natural. Mushrooms, Mescaline, Morning glory seeds, ayahuasca, DMT, bufotenin, amanitas, ergot... the list goes on and on. Research any of these substances and you will see.

None of those drugs are any "safer" than LSD. Most are, if anything, more dangerous (ayahuasca and DMT are extremely psychoactive, frequently to the point of trauma). The active ingredient in morning glory seeds and ergot is one of the precursor chemicals to LSD and is, while less psychoactive, very toxic. Those two drugs will result in seizure, convulsions and death if too much is taken - they've been used to induce abortion since the middle ages. Most amanitas are strongly poisonous. Bufotenin is more toxic than it is psychedlic - by the time you ingest enough to cause hallucinations, you're flirting with respiratory system failure (and so, imminent death).

Mushrooms are generally considered the "beginner" psychedlic, although I'd say this is mostly due to their natural origin and the history of media scare stories about LSD. I don't see where they're any safer as such. The main danger in taking LSD is that it can exacerbate existing/latent psychological problems, sometimes severely (just like any other intense, possibly-traumatic experience). There's also the danger that the chemist who made it screwed up and ended up with some other chemical - it's hard to know. What you don't generally have to worry about is people intentionally adding adulterants to LSD - LSD is so potent and cheap to produce that cutting it with anything else would increase the cost. If a dealer wants to rip you off on LSD, he'll typically just sell you blank paper.

Mushrooms or pyote...

Those are more "natural" than LSD, but not any safer. All three produce similar psychological effects, and the two you list are more toxic than LSD (peyote ingestion is typically followed by a round of vomitting). Also peyote lasts a lot longer than LSD, and so is more dangerous psychologically.

Just don't end up like this guy:
http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/847267-man-on-drug-rampage-leaves-stabbed-lamb-maimed-father-burnt-farm-and-severed-penis-in-his-wake

or from a different point of view



You never see a positive drug story on the news. They always have the same LSD story. You've all seen it: "Today a young man on acid...thought he could fly...jumped out of a building...what a tragedy!" What a dick. He's an idiot. If he thought he could fly why didn't he take off from the ground first? Check it out? You don't see geese lined up to catch elevators to fly south; they fly from the fucking ground. He's an idiot. He's dead. Good! We lost a moron? Fucking celebrate. There's one less moron in the world

Wouldn't you like to see a positive LSD story on the news? Isn't that weird. Since most of the experiences I've had were real fucking positive! To base your decision on information rather than scare tactics and superstition? perhaps? Wouldn't that be interesting? Just for once?



"Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration – that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves.

Now here's Tom with the weather."

(Bill Hicks)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX1CvW38cHA

for the people talking about the trama involved in these drugs, i am aware of this risk and willing to look over it. Not to mention these affects are rare and in most cases reversable.

Is LSD safe?


No. :spank:

life is dangerous and in most cases terminal.
OM

for the people talking about the trama involved in these drugs, i am aware of this risk and willing to look over it. Not to mention these affects are rare and in most cases reversable.

Then why bother asking us? If you already want to risk taking stuff just do it and don't bother asking stupid questions about drugs.

Weed is amazing, but i want to hallucinate. Whats the safest natural hallucinagin?

Well, at the risk of seeming practical, try eating some of your weed. When ingested orally, cannabis acts as a hallucinogen if one consumes a sufficient amount. It is perhaps ten times as powerful as if smoked and produces an entirely different high, replete with hallucinations.

The Aztec sun priests used to consume 35 - 40 thousand heavenly blue or angelic white morning glory seeds several days before the sun rituals. The hallucinogen they contain is similar to a powerful one that is likely no longer available called "STP" You cannot just eat the seeds though, they must be prepared correctly or you will just get real sick. :barf:

If the LSD is 'clean' and you have a straight person to supervise you, you will likely be fine. Hallucinogens are frequently used to assist persons with serious personal problems - like alcoholism or drug addiction - to work their way through those problems. The supervisory person should be a therapist in this instance.

Mushrooms are a commonly available hallucinogen, grown in basements all over the civilized world by enthusiasts. Also a good choice, though many are just canned mushrooms sprayed with LSD so you need to be secure with your connection if you choose those.

for the people talking about the trama involved in these drugs, i am aware of this risk and willing to look over it. Not to mention these affects are rare and in most cases reversable.

If you're only worried about physiological dangers, then stuff like LSD and mushrooms don't present you with much to worry about. The dangers with those drugs are psychological/mental.

Well, at the risk of seeming practical, try eating some of your weed. When ingested orally, cannabis acts as a hallucinogen if one consumes a sufficient amount.

Note that "a sufficient amount" is at least an order of magnitude more than you would typically smoke at once. Depending on potency, you'll need to eat the equivalent of something like 1/4 of an ounce of marijuana to get high - that's enough to last even regular daily smokers for over a week.



It is perhaps ten times as powerful as if smoked and produces an entirely different high, replete with hallucinations.

Ten times as powerful in effect, but not by weight. You have to consume a lot more than you would by smoking. The reason oral ingestion can get you higher than smoking is that you can attain higher blood concentrations of cannibinoids through your digestive processes than through your lungs - but that requires consuming more of the drug.

And most people don't experience any hallucinations after eating weed/hash - only a small minority, and then only under very high dosage.



The Aztec sun priests used to consume 35 - 40 thousand heavenly blue or angelic white morning glory seeds several days before the sun rituals. The hallucinogen they contain is similar to a powerful one that is likely no longer available called "STP"

No, that's totally wrong. The active chemical in morning glory seeds is lysergic acid, one of the two precursors for LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide). STP is from the phenethylamine class of chemicals, which include many other designer drugs like Ecstasy and the 2C family. LSD, psilocybin, mescaline and those types are from the tryptamine family. Similar effects can be found in both families, but there is little grounds for comparing morning glory seeds (which are only slightly psychoactive, and fairly toxic) with very potent designer drugs like STP.



Also a good choice, though many are just canned mushrooms sprayed with LSD

Nobody does that. It's cheaper and less risky to procure actual psychedelic mushrooms (which are easily distinguished from food mushrooms by appearance), and more profitable to sell LSD directly as such.

i have been considering trying LSD. Ive been doing a lot of research and the common answer to this question is yes .... Any thoughts or facts on LSD and its risks.


You should look harder. :bugeye:

Whilst LSD has one of the lowest active-dose/lethal-dose ratios of all the psychoactive drugs (ie. the active dose is not toxic) and carries a low risk of dependence, there are numerous other risks. The loss of cognition puts people in danger of damaging themselves by their behaviour, there is a range of potential adverse drug reactions, and there are instances of short- and long-term LSD-related psychosis. Sources are easy to find.

thanks everyone. I will research shrooms and other more natural drugs. I just want a crazy trip at least once in my life. Weed is amazing, but i want to hallucinate. Whats the safest natural hallucinagin?

I'd say either Shrooms or mescaline. Though mescaline is really hard to find. Some people will claim to have some and sell it as mescaline, but it's really just LSD. Use extreme caution if you go this route. If something goes wrong and you need medical help, they will need to know which drug you are on. Stay away from ANYTHING man made, and as quadraphonics says, there are other natural drugs that, while still natural, aren't safe. I misspoke above, I wouldn't recommend doing ergot or bufotenin, or some of the others. I just listed them as natural drugs. Also stay away from the hypnotics. Some people pass them off as hallucinogens, and you will hallucinate, but the trip is far more dangerous because there is a complete break with reality. Some of the hypnotics are Datura, nightshade, dramamine DXM (robo-trip)... theres a few others.


None of those drugs are any "safer" than LSD. Most are, if anything, more dangerous (ayahuasca and DMT are extremely psychoactive, frequently to the point of trauma).

All psychedelics have the capacity to produce a traumatic experience. The difference between a traumatic experience from DMT and LSD, is that the chances of "not coming back" from DMT or ayahuasca are much slimmer than that of LSD. LSD is an unnatural substance and some research suggests (sorry I don't have the time or resources to research it at the moment, but I remember talking with the psychiatrist at a treatment center where I worked) that LSD permanently changes brain chemistry. DMT is naturally found in the brain and spinal fluid. Granted DMT is going to produce a profoundly much more intense experience than LSD, the effects are very short lived, and to suggest that it is more dangerous than LSD is ridiculous.


The active ingredient in morning glory seeds and ergot is one of the precursor chemicals to LSD and is, while less psychoactive, very toxic.

I used to hang out with a friend who tripped on morning LSA (the active compound in morning glories) many times. He said it was like a much safer and less anxiety provoking experience than LSD. As far as I know, if things are done right in the extraction process it is just as safe, if not safer to take than LSD where you don't even know who's made it or handled it. I wouldn't touch, or recommend touching ergot with a ten foot pole either.



Mushrooms are generally considered the "beginner" psychedlic, although I'd say this is mostly due to their natural origin and the history of media scare stories about LSD. I don't see where they're any safer as such.

No permanent brain alteration or chemistry changes seem to occur with mushrooms. Psilocybin converts to psilocin in the brain. A chemical which is very closely related to both serotonin and DMT. The experience is much gentler and safer on the body and brain than LSD. Far less cases have occurred of people suffering permanent psychiatric damage from shrooms than LSD. Most of those who did already had existing problems. Yet people who are perfectly normal who take one hit of LSD run the risk of permanently damaging their psyche.


The main danger in taking LSD is that it can exacerbate existing/latent psychological problems, sometimes severely (just like any other intense, possibly-traumatic experience).

Any and all drugs, hallucinogen or not run the risk of exacerbating existing or latent psychological problems. I ultimately would not recommend anybody ever do psychadelic drugs. But if someone decides to do so, I would rather educate them on whats "safe" relatively speaking. I've seen many people get permanently psychologically damaged from LSD. But I honestly have yet to meet one person who has been permanently fucked up from shrooms, Mescaline, DMT, or LSA. Granted doing any drugs does delay or slow down psychological growth, but simply experimenting with some of the natural psychadelics for a short time does not seem to be unworthy.

Timothy Leary says....

Report back to us, be safe...

thanks everyone. I will research shrooms and other more natural drugs. I just want a crazy trip at least once in my life. Weed is amazing, but i want to hallucinate. Whats the safest natural hallucinagin?

If you want to have strange experiences I recommend something else.But you need perseverance and will.
Every time you sleep you focus on the fact that if you dream to be aware that you are dreaming.
I managed.
I scared myself so much, that I will not try again.
I was conscious that I dream and I could not wake up.
I was slapped and I pinched myself and yet I do not woke up.I do not know what can I do to wake up.
So loud I scared that dream turned into a nightmare and I woke up because of fright.
I will never try again.

i have been considering trying LSD. Ive been doing a lot of research and the common answer to this question is yes. From what i have read, no evidence points to it causing brain damage. It also does not store in the spine and release again over time. Flashbacks are ussaly caused by the brain attempting to cope with a bad trip. From what i have read, the most dangeours risk of LSD is something resembling post tramitic stress, caused by an extreamly tramitic trip. Its very very difficult to overdose on LSD. Any thoughts or facts on LSD and its risks. How safe is it? Please site sources if possible

It won't physically kill anybody.

For some people LSD use can create mental illness. For rare people one trip can bring out mental illness. Heavy prolonged use of LSD makes 5% to 35% of the users mentally ill. Then again perhaps something about who would be prone to being a heavy user of LSD has something to do with why so many succumb to mental illness.

When people want to explore other realities then perhaps these people are dissatisfied with the consensus conventional (but not necessarily real) reality. After playing with other realities people sometimes lose their ability to interact correctly to function within and correctly manipulate others within the conventional reality.

Since we will be functioning within the conventional reality whether we like it or not and whether it is real or not, anything that interferes with our ability to function in the conventional reality is likely to increase suffering.

For the most part LSD only brings out what was already there. Happy people have better trips than scared people do.

Physically LSD like meth and cocaine and Adderall and may other drugs can create excitotoxity related permanent brain damage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excitotoxicity

thanks everyone. I will research shrooms and other more natural drugs.
Natural does not mean safe. I think LSD might be safer than shrooms.

Oh , I forgot to mention that only LSD 25 is the only PURE LSD made, all others are cut with other chemicals like strychnine to give you more colors when you are tripping. Trying to find LSD 25 though will prove to be hard to do because few people make it any longer. Oswley made it for Tim Leary and others a long time ago and it was the best acid ever , very mellow and a great smooth trip.

All psychedelics have the capacity to produce a traumatic experience.

No argument there.



The difference between a traumatic experience from DMT and LSD, is that the chances of "not coming back" from DMT or ayahuasca are much slimmer than that of LSD.

I don't buy that for a second. Everything I've read suggests that both DMT and ayahuasca are more dangerous in this regard, and substantially more likely to produce terrifying or otherwise traumatic experiences. Shamans I've known that were blase about providing mushrooms, peyote or even LSD to inexperienced users would not even consider providing them DMT/ayahuasca. That stuff is for experts only.



LSD is an unnatural substance and some research suggests (sorry I don't have the time or resources to research it at the moment, but I remember talking with the psychiatrist at a treatment center where I worked) that LSD permanently changes brain chemistry.

I don't believe that one either. Source?



DMT is naturally found in the brain and spinal fluid.

So are lots of things - doesn't make them benign. For that matter, it's hypothesized that the mechanism through which LSD and mushrooms work is to boost the brain's production of DMT (that being why there's a lag in onset with those drugs, but not DMT).



Granted DMT is going to produce a profoundly much more intense experience than LSD, the effects are very short lived, and to suggest that it is more dangerous than LSD is ridiculous.

That last part is in direct contradiction with the first part, where you agree that the effects of DMT are "profoundly much more intense." It's not the amount of time that you're high (especially with a drug like DMT which characteristically causes users to lose all sense of time), but how intense the psychedelic effects are, that presents psychological dangers.



I used to hang out with a friend who tripped on morning LSA (the active compound in morning glories) many times. He said it was like a much safer and less anxiety provoking experience than LSD.

Well of course - it's a much, much weaker drug.



As far as I know, if things are done right in the extraction process it is just as safe, if not safer to take than LSD where you don't even know who's made it or handled it.

That's apples and oranges, but more importantly ignores the fact that LSA is poisonous, while LSD is not.



No permanent brain alteration or chemistry changes seem to occur with mushrooms. Psilocybin converts to psilocin in the brain. A chemical which is very closely related to both serotonin and DMT. The experience is much gentler and safer on the body and brain than LSD.

Not in my experience.



Far less cases have occurred of people suffering permanent psychiatric damage from shrooms than LSD.

Source? Otherwise, I call bullshit.



Most of those who did already had existing problems.

This is also true of LSD.



Yet people who are perfectly normal who take one hit of LSD run the risk of permanently damaging their psyche.

I call bullshit. I've known plenty of people who've taken LSD, including a few who did permanently damage their psyches. None of the latter category included anyone who I'd consider even remotely close to "perfectly normal." They were uniformly troubled people with long histories of mental problems and drug abuse.

Oh , I forgot to mention that only LSD 25 is the only PURE LSD made, all others are cut with other chemicals like strychnine to give you more colors when you are tripping.

No, that's an urban legend:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_legends_about_illegal_drugs#Strychnine

One of the things about LSD is that it is so much more potent than other drugs/adulterants that, even if they are present, they won't be in sufficient concentration to affect you. You'd need something like 100 parts strychnine to 1 part LSD in order to get enough strychnine into a dose of LSD to cause any effect.

No, that's an urban legend.

I know that they cut it with something perhaps not that but other chemicals for sure.

I don't recommend any drugs, period..

But, if you really feel the need...smoke a bowl, and have a few beers..

I don't smoke anymore, but have fond memories..lol...

"A psychedelic experience is a journey to new realms of consciousness. The scope and content of the experience is limitless, but its characteristic features are the transcendence of verbal concepts, of spacetime dimensions, and of the ego or identity. Such experiences of enlarged consciousness can occur in a variety of ways: sensory deprivation, yoga exercises, disciplined meditation, religious or aesthetic ecstasies, or spontaneously. Most recently they have become available to anyone through the ingestion of psychedelic drugs such as LSD, psilocybin, mescaline, DMT, etc. Of course, the drug does not produce the transcendent experience. It merely acts as a chemical key—it opens the mind, frees the nervous system of its ordinary patterns and structures."


Research Timothy leary

"The Concord Prison Experiment was designed to evaluate how the effects of psilocybin combined with psychotherapy would rehabilitate prisoners upon being released. After being guided through the psychedelic experience ('trips') by Leary and his associates, 36 prisoners allegedly repented and swore to give up future criminal activity. For prisoners in USA, the average recidivism rate is 60 percent; the recidivism rate of the subjects involved in Leary's project dropped to 20 percent. The Concord Prison experiment demonstrated that long-term reduction in overall criminal recidivism rates could be achieved with a combination of psilocybin-assisted group psychotherapy (inside the prison) along with a comprehensive post-release follow-up support program modeled on Alcoholics Anonymous. The study concluded that psilocybin-assisted group psychotherapy and a post-release program would significantly reduce recidivism rates. No further study or experiment took place as psilocybin was declared to be a dangerous substance with no medical benefits by the Drug Enforcement Agency of USA.[15]"

I know that they cut it with something perhaps not that but other chemicals for sure.

So you actually have no knowledge or information, just hearsay. Hmmm....

Apologies up front for not doing a complete C & P response, but I should make a couple of points here.


Oswley made it for Tim Leary and others a long time ago and it was the best acid ever , very mellow and a great smooth trip. I will agree with that, though there were a bunch of others that were equally entertaining - White Lightning for one. That was 50/50 LSD and STP, kind - of an up and down trip, as it were. LSD was legal when I first encountered it. :)

I have never met anyone who suffered any lasting harm from LSD or mushrooms etc.... and I will bet dollars to donuts I have known many more dopers than all of you combined.
That these cause physiologic harm is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary proof.


"Orange wedge" was orange due to the addition of mercury salts to the LSD. Methadrine was frequently added to crap acid, as was rat poison and a whole slew of other nasty stuff.

I have seen, handled and consumed those LSD treated mushrooms I mentioned. They were very popular at a time when the acid was skanky and 'organic' stuff was desirable. I do not know if they are around now, but I will bet they still are because the market is still there and the real product is rare.


Oral consumption of 1/2 gram of standard grade hashish, 3 - 5 grams of prime strain bud or 4 tablespoons of schwag (powdered fan leaves) will send you away nicely for 6 - 8 hours, hallucinations included. You can say different if you wish, but I have run the experiments.

When smoked, approximately 48% of the active ingredients in cannabis are destroyed by the 1200 deg F temps, producing CO, benzene, styrene, anthracine and a bunch of other nasty stuff. Vaporizing the same quantity gives the user more than twice the effect of the active ingredients without the toxins. Eating cannabis requires much less than smoking or vaporizing to achieve a vastly more profound stone. Again, I have run the experiments to my own satisfaction.

A regular 'joint' contains 1 - 2 grams of pot. Regular cannabis smokers consume anywhere from 1 - 6 joints a day, depending on the user. There are 7 grams in a quarter ounce, do the math.

When most folks make canna brownies they just dump a cleaned up ounce (remove seeds and stems, powder what is left) into a box of commercial brownie mix. That serves a group of about 20 people.

Properly prepared morning glory seeds give a relaxed, long - lasting hallucinogenic stone replete with audio and tactile hallucinations (beyond the mere visual as from LSD) with a rough dosage where 1 seed approximates 1 mg of LSD. Thus, 500 morning glory seeds approximates a 500 mg dose of LSD. I have never encountered or even heard of anyone ever being harmed by consuming these until this thread, so you will forgive me for disregarding these claims. Same with the "LSD makes permanent changes in your brain" stuff. Sorry, I need RW proof of extraordinary claims as they run contrary to my experience. :o

So you actually have no knowledge or information, just hearsay. Hmmm....

You know it is people like yourself who really should check things out before they make themselves look like a fool. Your lack of trying to find out if what I say is correct or not yourself seems you can't think for yourself so here ya go proof that what what I say was correct. Next time perhaps you'll not want to look like a fool and verify it for yourself, I know that takes thought that you may not have but at least try...thanks.

"Adulteration. In addition to contaminants accidentally introduced into black-market LSD through errors of synthesis, some black-market suppliers deliberately adulterated their LSD with a variety of substances, including amphetamines ' and even strychnine.

It was necessary, of course, to mix LSD with a bulking agent of some kind; the amount of LSD needed for one trip is so small as to be barely visible and it cannot be safely or conveniently handled. "


http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/lsd07.htm

You know it is people like yourself who really should check things out before they make themselves look like a fool. ...

It's not me that's spouting off foolish non-sense. I just called you on it. Maybe in the future you'll actually post useful information instead of blatant speculation and non-sense.

Oh , I forgot to mention that only LSD 25 is the only PURE LSD made, all others are cut with other chemicals like strychnine to give you more colors when you are tripping. Trying to find LSD 25 though will prove to be hard to do because few people make it any longer. Oswley made it for Tim Leary and others a long time ago and it was the best acid ever , very mellow and a great smooth trip.

That's bullshit, there is no very, very little truth to this statement.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_myth5.shtml

I've taken LSD dozens of times and suffered no ill effects other than sleep deprivation. Mushrooms are more natural, I've grown several batches of my own Cubensis, but they are slightly more toxic. You might throw up. The advantage is they only last half as long, so if you don't like it, you don't have to tough it out as long before it's over.

That's bullshit, there is no very, very little truth to this statement.


LSD or LSD-25, also known as lysergide and colloquially as acid, is a semisynthetic psychedelic drug of the ergoline family. LSD is non-addictive and well known for its psychological effects which can include altered thinking processes, closed and open eye visuals, synaesthesia, an altered sense of time and spiritual experiences, as well as for its key role in 1960s counterculture. It is used mainly as an entheogen, recreational drug and as an agent in psychedelic therapy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide

As we have shown, true LSD-25 (lysergic acid diethylamide) was one of twenty-five closely related ergot derivatives synthesized by Sandoz before 1938, and many more were to follow.

http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/lsd07.htm

So Spider man this shows that it was one of the purest type made by the labs, not by the drug pushers like we all know about making this stuff in college labs and elsewhere.

It hardly matters. Sure, France makes the best champagne, but a decent sparkling wine gets the job done just as well.

It hardly matters. Sure, France makes the best champagne, but a decent sparkling wine gets the job done just as well.

Just admit that I was speaking correct when I stated that LSD 25 is pure LSD, not bullshit as you said.

I was mostly referring to the widespread myth of strychnine.

I know that they cut it with something perhaps not that but other chemicals for sure.

No you don't. You're talking out of your ass here.

I have seen, handled and consumed those LSD treated mushrooms I mentioned. They were very popular at a time when the acid was skanky and 'organic' stuff was desirable.

If you say so.



I do not know if they are around now, but I will bet they still are because the market is still there and the real product is rare.

Hogwash. Psychedelic mushrooms are much, much, much easier to get ahold of than is LSD. Which shouldn't surprise - they are very easy to produce almost anywhere, at low cost and risk of discovery. No fancy chemistry required, or anything. Savvy people that live near cattle ranches are frequently able to gather them in the wild for free.



Oral consumption of 1/2 gram of standard grade hashish, 3 - 5 grams of prime strain bud or 4 tablespoons of schwag (powdered fan leaves) will send you away nicely for 6 - 8 hours, hallucinations included. You can say different if you wish, but I have run the experiments.

As have I. Only a small percentage of people experience hallucinations from eating that sort of thing.



Eating cannabis requires much less than smoking or vaporizing to achieve a vastly more profound stone.

3-5 grams of prime bud is "much less" than you would smoke/vaporize? I don't buy that for a second.



A regular 'joint' contains 1 - 2 grams of pot.

2 grams would be a very large joint - nearly a blunt. People might do that for schwag, but a regular smoker rolling a joing of kind bud for his solo consumption is going to use something like half a gram.



Regular cannabis smokers consume anywhere from 1 - 6 joints a day, depending on the user. There are 7 grams in a quarter ounce, do the math.

Nobody smokes 6 2-gram joints per day, unless they're committed to using up some ridiculous amount of super low-grad schwag. If we're talking about actual bud, the heaviest smokers I've known (who smoke all day, every day) go through 2-3 grams per day. And they don't roll joints, they take bong hits or vaporize.



When most folks make canna brownies they just dump a cleaned up ounce (remove seeds and stems, powder what is left) into a box of commercial brownie mix. That serves a group of about 20 people.

Exactly - if you smoke it, an ounce is enough to get at least twice that many people high. Eating takes more weight.

And only idiot high school kids make brownies that way. Any stoner worth his salt knows that the way to proceed is to first make pot butter, and then bake with that as an ingredient.



Properly prepared morning glory seeds give a relaxed, long - lasting hallucinogenic stone replete with audio and tactile hallucinations (beyond the mere visual as from LSD)

Plenty of people get audio and tactile hallucinations from LSD (also, synaesthesia).



with a rough dosage where 1 seed approximates 1 mg of LSD. Thus, 500 morning glory seeds approximates a 500 mg dose of LSD.

That can't be right. 1mg of LSD is like 10 times the standard dose - 500mg of LSD is an absolutely crazy "dose:" that's 50 sheets worth of acid. You must have meant to write micrograms, not "mg." Although 500 micrograms is still a pretty large dose (if still within reason).

thanks for all the responses guys. I tried getting my hands on shrooms but according to my guy theyre "out of season?" which doesnt make much sense to me so imma ask around. Imma wait a while to drop acid but i think ill try it later in my life. Youve all been a huge help, ill be careful and take all the warnings in mind. Ive already checked to see for mental illness in my family, none.

.... You might throw up....

I am really not into that at all, try to avoid it at all times. :o

Yeah, I meant micrograms, not milligrams, my bad.

Uh....the most I ever took was 1000 micrograms of LSD. I did regret it, as I ended up unsupervised. Lucked out though, I was chest deep in a backyard pool fully clothed when I began to realize I was way too stoned and it had been many hours "out there".

Morning glory seeds, 500 was a good trip. As to the quality and variety of hallucinations, I can only speak of my own experience and what others have told me of theirs.

As I am sure you are aware, there are many grades of cannabis around and many individual psychological and physiological sets in the consumers. The "Hashish Eaters" did so exactly to hallucinate. Yet I have known folks that literally did smoke all day every day until they stated that it no longer got them high, then they quit completely.

One of our big city cops and his wife just did the brownie thing and flipped out, went to the hospital and got in deep doo - doo.

At this time I know several persons who consume for medicinal purpose in quantity that astounds me. Yes, I am aware of cannabutter - "budder" and how it is used. I lack the desire to try that myself. Same for eating "Cannabrex" capsules of honey oil or BHO. There is a cancer patient who eats 2 or 3 capsules, then hits the Volcano until she can't any more.

Then there were the 2 Indian fellows that smoked something along the lines of 36 fat joints each then had to be held in a pond by their friends until they felt better....

"Blunts" are common here in the metro Detroit area. Lots of folks routinely burn through a quarter ounce a week of good bud though, mostly on their own. Many would go through more if they could afford it.

No you don't. You're talking out of your ass here.

I guess you have not read any of my posts containing LINKS ... http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/lsd07.htm....to prove that LSD is adulterated. If you would be so good as to go back through this thread perhaps you will be enlightened by the amount of information I provided that you seem not to know about. I hope you good luck in finding the useful information about additives helpful in pulling your foot out of your mouth.

I'd go as far as do a quarter a "hit" of LSD. Considering pot is a mild LSD and considering too much pot makes you pass out, I wouldn't mind doing a quarter hit just for the psychoactive effects. I suppose the same would apply to shrooms.

However, you do pass on to la la land when you do that much shit- pot does not alter reality.

I did Salvia Divinorum twice- what a freaking trip that was! Getting ultimate high for 90 seconds!

Mild doses of LSD are not worth it, you have to hit a threshold, it's much easier to totally trip than to sit around feeling kinda out of it but not really stoned. The first trip especially should be very strong, take an ambitious dose or nothing.

I would warn against Salvia, it's extremely disturbing and not really worthwhile.

I do like making green dragon from weed, it's a very nice experience. It's a THC extract using alcohol. It can be very strong, so start at lower doses and work your way up over time.

Agreed on all counts save salvia, which I have no personal experience with so must refrain from comment.

Well, except to say that I really liked Danial Tosh's "Salvia Challenge" with Cheech Marin.

"But Mr. Hand, I have to go to space today!"

The thing about salvia is that it has no effect whatsoever on most people. A certain minority of people do seem to experience strong, if short-lived, effects from it. Be interesting if anyone knows what sort of brain chemistry or what accounts for that...

i have been considering trying LSD. Ive been doing a lot of research and the common answer to this question is yes. From what i have read, no evidence points to it causing brain damage. It also does not store in the spine and release again over time. Flashbacks are ussaly caused by the brain attempting to cope with a bad trip. From what i have read, the most dangeours risk of LSD is something resembling post tramitic stress, caused by an extreamly tramitic trip. Its very very difficult to overdose on LSD. Any thoughts or facts on LSD and its risks. How safe is it? Please site sources if possible

I'm 64 and between the age of 20 and 25 I did lots of acid. I know of one person who seemed to be a victim of the experience but I don't know of any qualitative analysis to support such a result. Never really gave it much thought because it was really an engaging experience for me. Definitely not overrated. Very powerful so the appropriate experimental setting is important. Early on it was researched as a possible treatment for certain types of mental illness. Putting it on the street with all the negative feedback put a damper on the early research.

i have been considering trying LSD. Ive been doing a lot of research and the common answer to this question is yes. From what i have read, no evidence points to it causing brain damage. It also does not store in the spine and release again over time. Flashbacks are ussaly caused by the brain attempting to cope with a bad trip. From what i have read, the most dangeours risk of LSD is something resembling post tramitic stress, caused by an extreamly tramitic trip. Its very very difficult to overdose on LSD. Any thoughts or facts on LSD and its risks. How safe is it? Please site sources if possible

You might review this.

http://www.hofmann.org/papers/kurland_4.htm

thanks everyone. I will research shrooms and other more natural drugs. I just want a crazy trip at least once in my life. Weed is amazing, but i want to hallucinate. Whats the safest natural hallucinagin?

No other hallucinogens are remotely as interesting as acid.

Apologies up front for not doing a complete C & P response, but I should make a couple of points here.

I will agree with that, though there were a bunch of others that were equally entertaining - White Lightning for one. That was 50/50 LSD and STP, kind - of an up and down trip, as it were. LSD was legal when I first encountered it. :)

I have never met anyone who suffered any lasting harm from LSD or mushrooms etc.... and I will bet dollars to donuts I have known many more dopers than all of you combined.
That these cause physiologic harm is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary proof.


"Orange wedge" was orange due to the addition of mercury salts to the LSD. Methadrine was frequently added to crap acid, as was rat poison and a whole slew of other nasty stuff.

I have seen, handled and consumed those LSD treated mushrooms I mentioned. They were very popular at a time when the acid was skanky and 'organic' stuff was desirable. I do not know if they are around now, but I will bet they still are because the market is still there and the real product is rare.


Oral consumption of 1/2 gram of standard grade hashish, 3 - 5 grams of prime strain bud or 4 tablespoons of schwag (powdered fan leaves) will send you away nicely for 6 - 8 hours, hallucinations included. You can say different if you wish, but I have run the experiments.

When smoked, approximately 48% of the active ingredients in cannabis are destroyed by the 1200 deg F temps, producing CO, benzene, styrene, anthracine and a bunch of other nasty stuff. Vaporizing the same quantity gives the user more than twice the effect of the active ingredients without the toxins. Eating cannabis requires much less than smoking or vaporizing to achieve a vastly more profound stone. Again, I have run the experiments to my own satisfaction.

A regular 'joint' contains 1 - 2 grams of pot. Regular cannabis smokers consume anywhere from 1 - 6 joints a day, depending on the user. There are 7 grams in a quarter ounce, do the math.

When most folks make canna brownies they just dump a cleaned up ounce (remove seeds and stems, powder what is left) into a box of commercial brownie mix. That serves a group of about 20 people.

Properly prepared morning glory seeds give a relaxed, long - lasting hallucinogenic stone replete with audio and tactile hallucinations (beyond the mere visual as from LSD) with a rough dosage where 1 seed approximates 1 mg of LSD. Thus, 500 morning glory seeds approximates a 500 mg dose of LSD. I have never encountered or even heard of anyone ever being harmed by consuming these until this thread, so you will forgive me for disregarding these claims. Same with the "LSD makes permanent changes in your brain" stuff. Sorry, I need RW proof of extraordinary claims as they run contrary to my experience. :o

That sounds pretty good except the part about knowing more dopers than me.

I guess the media has discovered nutmeg now (http://www.wusa9.com/rss/local_article.aspx?storyid=115128). I read about it in a book on hallucinogens in college and a friend managed to get a whole big container of it from a cafeteria worker. It's absolutely horrible to take. You have to swallow 3-4 big tablespoons full, mixed with water or something. It doesn't dissolve. It gave me minor auditory hallucinations but was very disappointing. The hangover was like the worst hangover on alcohol I ever had, but it lasted for 3 days.

If you need to do this, you have self-esteem issues.

If you need to do this, you have self-esteem issues.


And, have way too much free time..

That sounds pretty good except the part about knowing more dopers than me.

:o heh

It's definitely not safe. I know two people who are permanently mentally disabled from using LSD.

As opposed to two people that became mentally disabled and just happened to use LSD.

There is an awful lot of paranoid hysteria hype outputted on the subject of the drug. I will tell you what I know from what I've learnt about the substance from before and after use (many years ago).

Firstly the "hype", LSD is a drug that alters the chemistry of brain to the point where neurological stimulation becomes re-pathed to neuron's not necessarily trained for dealing with the stimuli. This is the main reason for altered sensory occurrences and the main reason for all the initial fears of the drug itself.

The hallucinations themselves can be anywhere from mild to strong depending on the overall dosage and one of the main problems with the drug is there is no way to speed up the removal of it from the system, due to it's effect on the brain it can't be "watered down" and passed (urinated or sweated), vomited up or outputted through excrement.

This is the main reason why it's suggested that if you "experiment" that you will be at the beck and whim of your own mind. If you already suffer a paranoid personality then it's possible that such psychotropic (and occasionally used as psychiatric) drugs aren't for you. (in fact if you suffer from Epilepsy I would really suggest staying clear of it)

Psychiatrists will harp on about the potential effects of "Flashbacks", this is where they believe that some random point in the future you could be effected similar to how you were on the drug. Now in the usage of MDMA, it's known that certain "Positive" but incidentally wrongly stimulated neurons can react when stimulated under conditions that were occurant at the time (a bit like triggering an old memory), I've had such "positive" incidences with certain euphoric or trance music played from that decade (if anything it just buys into the whole nostalgia of the period)

Negative occurrences I would suggest would mirror something that "dyspraxics" suffer, where particular materials or sound will cause a nausiating or anxiety effect.

The sorts of flashbacks that the Doctors seem to think occur are like reliving past lives while driving your car home, or forgetting to feed your pets or baby because you were on a different planet. (They seem to have some seriously extreme reasoning for something that they apparently are suppose to understand)

I'd suggest if you are going to experiment with this, you need to do so in the right atmosphere, for instance it's not best to do it alone (but don't peer pressure anyone into joining you), it's best to make sure you are outside for the most part (This lessens any aggrophobic effects caused by visual stimuli concerning room size, shape or patterning), it's best not to be anywhere too crowded with "Normal" people. (The last thing you want is stumbling mis-stimulated words in incoherent rants at people that you might have to deal with the day later.)

Above all it's best to do it where you feel safe, secure and can feel that you can have fun. (This will lessen the any chance of neurological anxieties shaping your "trip".)

The best place I actually found back in the day was spending the evening/night and morning at the beach, but this could also work in the countryside etc. Just don't lose your car!!!.

Obviously such "Experiments" are best not done too Scientifically and are actually better more sporadically since it's more spontaneous and more fun. (try an icecream ;)

Just one thing to note, I don't support drug use, however the one off experiment is what it's all about because it's a personal experience builder and should some pain in the ass spike your drink in the future or some foreign "spy" (okay, it might happen if you happen to be doing something worth spying on) slip you a mickey, you'll be prepared and capable of handling yourself.

If you need to do this, you have self-esteem issues.

Who says I needed to? I'm an explorer. :shrug:

The hallucinations themselves can be anywhere from mild to strong depending on the overall dosage

This is something of a nitpick, but the perceptual effects of psychedelic drugs like LSD, mushrooms, etc. are not actually "hallucinations." A true "hallucination" is not distinguishable from reality to the person experiencing it, which is almost never the case with psychedelic drugs. True hallucinations are associated with dissociative and deleriant drugs like ketamine or PCP.

I've had true hallucinations on LSD, they are hallucinations that reveal something fundamental about reality.

In fact:
True Hallucinations, subtitled "Being an Account of the Author's Extraordinary Adventures in the Devil's Paradise," is an autobiographical recounting of Terence McKenna's improbable adventures with psilocybin mushrooms in the Amazon Basin. In 1971, McKenna, along with his brother Dennis and three other companions, ventured by plane, boat, and foot to the paradisical Colombian mission town of La Chorrera, where they hoped to encounter the elusive psychedelic oo-koo-hé.

http://www.enlightenment.com/media/bookrevs/truehalu.html

I've had true hallucinations on LSD, they are hallucinations that reveal something fundamental about reality.



then they are not hallucinations.



"Life is a preparation for a transition to a higher dimension." T.M.

I've had true hallucinations on LSD, they are hallucinations that reveal something fundamental about reality.

If you say so. I've seen some crazy shit in my day, but nothing that I didn't know wasn't real at the time.

If you say so. I've seen some crazy shit in my day, but nothing that I didn't know wasn't real at the time.


John Lennon - "Nothing is real."

When nothing is real then nothing can be a Hallucination. (At least based by Johns quote)

Obviously there is alot more people looking towards the universe being Simulated or Emulated (in actual fact there is at least one interation of the universe simulated at the very least, since any Scientific Physics experiment takes actual record values and applies mathematics in an attempt to replicate the "real" world.)

As an Emulation (or simulation) what technically is real?

LSD causes the brain to hemmorhage. Though it won't kill you, it's definitely not safe. I have "dropped acid" (as the hipsters would call it) a time or few. Not the best experience. Stick to marijuana, completely safe in lethality.

i took a half a hit on two occasions when i was younger. i wasn't impressed. i liked shrooms a lot though.

If you are trying to reach a new state of being / consiouness try salvia divinorum. Head shops sell it for cheap to 18 year olds. Unless you visit a head shop that doesn't card. (hehe)

When nothing is real then nothing can be a Hallucination.

Yeah, the flipside is that, while I've never seen anything that I didn't understand "wasn't real" at the time, I've also been in states where I wasn't particularly interested in the distinction between 'real' and 'not real' in the first place.

As opposed to two people that became mentally disabled and just happened to use LSD.


I wish I could go into more detail about it. One of the scientific no-nos is to attempt to back up fact with anecdotal personal experience. I don't have any relevant data about the pathology of what actually happened to them (were there pre-existing conditions for example). The only thing I have is are two "in the flesh" observations of people who were significantly permanently impaired after LSD use.

Here's what I know about them (one male one female).
1. Their conditions started from a single "trip" .... meaning it wasn't from habitual use. They took the dose and were not healthy afterward.

2. Their conditions are similar in that they were both -for lack of a better word- retarded. It wasn't anything cute like being on a permanent trip or anything. More like a hard nasty debilitating psychosis where their intellects were wiped out, and they were similar to toddlers or something. I wouldn't say they showed any signs of neurological damage (like motor skill problems) , but they couldn't exactly speak coherently, and couldn't do much without supervision.

3. They were not large doses. I think the guy only took 3 hits and the girl took one.

I've personally taken a lot of LSD when I was younger and turned out OK. I also know a guy who ended up eating at least a quarter sheet when he got pulled over by a cop and he turned out OK. However, since I know people who aren't OK, then I'm certain its not safe.

I wish I could go into more detail about it. One of the scientific no-nos is to attempt to back up fact with anecdotal personal experience. I don't have any relevant data about the pathology of what actually happened to them (were there pre-existing conditions for example). The only thing I have is are two "in the flesh" observations of people who were significantly permanently impaired after LSD use.

Here's what I know about them (one male one female).
1. Their conditions started from a single "trip" .... meaning it wasn't from habitual use. They took the dose and were not healthy afterward.

2. Their conditions are similar in that they were both -for lack of a better word- retarded. It wasn't anything cute like being on a permanent trip or anything. More like a hard nasty debilitating psychosis where their intellects were wiped out, and they were similar to toddlers or something. I wouldn't say they showed any signs of neurological damage (like motor skill problems) , but they couldn't exactly speak coherently, and couldn't do much without supervision.

3. They were not large doses. I think the guy only took 3 hits and the girl took one.

I've personally taken a lot of LSD when I was younger and turned out OK. I also know a guy who ended up eating at least a quarter sheet when he got pulled over by a cop and he turned out OK. However, since I know people who aren't OK, then I'm certain its not safe.

This can be problematic though, while it can be handy to tell a scary story to keep people off a drug, it's usually best to stick to things that aren't necessarily going to mess with their head. I mean for instance if you said "I knew a guy that swallowed his tongue while tripping", some idiot tripper out there might start on a paranoid "my tongue is swelling.." or "I mustn't swallow my tongue" trip.

Like I mentioned in my explanation, it's really dependent on if you feel safe, secure and capable of just "riding" it out (Which is why they get referred to as "trips").

In the case of the two people you know, they might of ended up with a dodgy batch, they might have mixed other drugs or had the remnants of other drugs in their system, they might have even fallen foul of an anti-drug spiking. (Sometimes the drugs people get are spiked by the establishment to spread fear and hysteria with that particular drug. In the case of LSD, there are variants used in Psychiatry to attempt to trip people out of various drug induced psychotic states which can be used for spiking.)

Obviously discussing all this will however bring about a well rounded view on the subject, which is what this is all about. After all it's not just about experimenting but what experimentation can mean as a whole.

LSD strips away your inhabitions and allows you to see yourself without your mask on. We all wear our masks to prevent ourselves from being to well known as to who we actually are. Taking this drug over time allows you to actually become at peace with who you are after you come to realize that your not really much different from anyone else around you for the most part but only think that others see you differently because you wear your mask to much.:cool:

This can be problematic though, while it can be handy to tell a scary story to keep people off a drug, it's usually best to stick to things that aren't necessarily going to mess with their head.

I'm not trying to convince people to stay away from it. I'm just posting a case in point where I've witnessed LSD causing some sort of actual harm. I'm not posting to sway public opinion.

If anything, my whole personal philosophy on the issue is similar to skydiving. It isn't safe, but I'm not against skydiving.

I think that the salient point here is that you do not know for sure exactly what the substance these individuals took was in all actuality. It may have been LSD or it may have been something else that was passed off as LSD.

Many years ago there was a lot of PCP going around, marketed as everything from synthetic THC to "1 hit weed" and mescaline. No doubt some was passed off as LSD as well. I am well aware that PCP can permanently mess you up. I do not have that same information on LSD. While I have known people who really got messed up with just 1 PCP experience, I cannot say the same for acid. To the contrary, it has helped a lot of folks when used correctly.

Again - the claims that LSD 'makes your brain bleed" or swell up like a balloon or any other fun and interesting stuff need to be backed up with serious research sources or they will be dismissed offhand as..."hallucinations". ;)

Again - the claims that LSD 'makes your brain bleed" or swell up like a balloon or any other fun and interesting stuff need to be backed up with serious research sources or they will be dismissed offhand as..."hallucinations". ;)

At a guess I would suggest it's possible a person could suffer a bleed, but they really would have to lose the plot. They would have to become so paranoid and anxious that their heart rate accelerates to a point where their body can't handle it and to be honest that's such a super-extreme.

Agreed - anything is possible. This is why it is important to have a straight person with you as a guide, just to take over if you start to lose it. I have never heard of such a thing happening in reality though.

I don't think acid creates the visons,
I beleve it inhbits certain functions in your brain,
resulting in a more direct access to the part were we can create visualization.

I was actually able to find some DMT this weekend! I'm so excited, and a little scared. This stuff is hard to get. But it only lasts a few minutes with a comedown of about a half-hour, so even if it's bad, you only have to tough it out for a short time.

Im very interested in doing DMT post back your experience Ive been told about religious experiences on there from dexoy dot org sounds like crazy stuff

Heh - I haven't even heard of anyone I know finding that since the late '60's. Have a good trip and do stop back to share the experience.

I was pleased to see that mushie syringes are once again available in Holland. Dodged the bullet again over there. ;)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-562990/Swiss-scientist-invented-LSD-bad-trip-dies-102.html

It's safe. The impurities can include strychnine but not in very big doses. It will make you feel awful if you are feeling sad or have a lot of regrets, but if you don't, it can offer a perspective not found in normal experience.

What you guys are looking for is Molly. Pure MDMA. Around ten to fifteen a point. (point is .1 Grams for math wizzards). Now you have to get the pure stuff otherwise it's just cut dirty extacy, but good luck finding it:)

Cheap, relatively safe (still plays with serotonin), effective for occasional use. I'll tell you one thing is that it opens your subconscious pretty hard so watch out.

You won't wake up still feeling it from the night before as long as its pure, unless you had too good a time.

Ah yes: 1 carat = 100 points too. While I am wizardfull on mathing, I am wizardfuller on fancy rocks. ;)

Heh - I haven't even heard of anyone I know finding that since the late '60's. Have a good trip and do stop back to share the experience.

I was pleased to see that mushie syringes are once again available in Holland. Dodged the bullet again over there. ;)

I chickened out. I have had enough of hallucinogens. Normality is weird enough.

I completely understand, no big deal.

After watching Tosh.0's 'salvia challenge' and then reading the Science News article on salvia, I was all enthused to give it a try...for about 45 minutes. Then my standard doubts floated up to the surface of my consciousness and I too chickened out. That stuff sounds like a serious hallucinogen with few bad side effects - well, excepting the nausea. Unfortunately, I really don't like vomiting at all, so that alone was enough to give me pause.

The bottom line though, was that I am now a chicken as well, I lack the intestinal fortitude to give it a shot. Also lack the motivation I think...it just isn't as interesting to me any more as it once was.

Guess that I am stuck here in weird normality with you. :o

Oh yeah - correction:

1 point = 1/100 carat

1 carat = 1/5 gram

so 1 point = 1/100 of 1/5 of a gram. My boo - boo up there ^ .

First if I were you, I would instead spend some time learning to correctly capitalise, punctuate, and spell your prose.

Then once you've experimented with LSD and fried your brain, we'll be able to tell. :-)

Hey phloguespewwhatever...goee annd fukkk urself! Really, there is no need to be such a prick...the guy is asking in sincerity and all you can do is come up with a wise crack dumbass joke...I wish you were here right now so I could bust my head into yours...then we could see how well your spelling is...arshole..

i have been considering trying LSD. Ive been doing a lot of research and the common answer to this question is yes. From what i have read, no evidence points to it causing brain damage. It also does not store in the spine and release again over time. Flashbacks are ussaly caused by the brain attempting to cope with a bad trip. From what i have read, the most dangeours risk of LSD is something resembling post tramitic stress, caused by an extreamly tramitic trip. Its very very difficult to overdose on LSD. Any thoughts or facts on LSD and its risks. How safe is it? Please site sources if possible

Different sources give different stories. Honestly...I've heard enough stories about permy fried people that I would say it can be dangerous indeed. If your going to take it...get some Umobushi plums and a jug of milk to counter...then you can take them if it feels like its getting too heavy on you...could save your sanity..


I don't really recommend LSD...maybe when I was younger I might have...something about putting living organisms in my brain (Spygots) to get high disturbs me...

Different sources give different stories. Honestly...I've heard enough stories about permy fried people that I would say it can be dangerous indeed. If your going to take it...get some Umobushi plums and a jug of milk to counter...then you can take them if it feels like its getting too heavy on you...could save your sanity..


I don't really recommend LSD...maybe when I was younger I might have...something about putting living organisms in my brain (Spygots) to get high disturbs me...

Appericate it :)

Different sources give different stories. Honestly...I've heard enough stories about permy fried people that I would say it can be dangerous indeed. If your going to take it...get some Umobushi plums and a jug of milk to counter...then you can take them if it feels like its getting too heavy on you...could save your sanity..


I don't really recommend LSD...maybe when I was younger I might have...something about putting living organisms in my brain (Spygots) to get high disturbs me...
LSD is not currently synthesized from the ergot fungus. It is made in a lab. No living organisms involved except the chemists.

Also there are no cases of permafry(?? love the term) recorded in any medical literature at all, and as far as anecdotally, I have witnessed humans eating as much as 7500 µg at once with no visible or noticeable permanent effects. I bet that no one has even got first hand anecdotal evidence of permafry. That's because it doesn't happen.

However, perhaps you should read this:
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/04/lsd-inventor-al/

to know how it damaged the man who invented it.

Poor fellow indeed, taken away in the first blush of youth and all....

Agreed on the 'permafry' thing too, lots of 'urban legend' stuff here. :)

I have 20+ LSD trips under my belt, so judge the drug's safety by the quality of my posts.

To all folks with friends who have gone nuts, I feel for you. But remember this:

LSD occurred, then CRAZY occurred. Therefore, LSD caused CRAZY - is an oversimplification and poor logic.

Rather than cause, LSD revealed or compounded already present mental problems like latent schizophrenia.

Physically, the drug has a perfect track record. Mentally, it is not suited for those with latent mental problems.

LOL @ the comment about salvia that shit is nothing..... lasts for like less than 10 minutes .... you just laguh alot and when I was on it I felt like I was trapped in my laughter it was kind of crazy

It doesn't last long, but it's the most potent natural hallucinogen by weight on Earth. The 6x concentrate is particularly effective. There isn't much salvinorin in the leaves.

DMT is the strongest

I don't know how many I have taken but I have witnessed several thousand mcg's ingested, a much larger sample than needed to be statistically significant and I can say with quite a bit of confidence, lsd never made anyone crazy who wasn't already there. Also, you don't see dragons pop up in roadways.

you might think you can fly however which is why it's best to always start from the ground. What you do get is the realization that the simple answer isn't always simple.

Poor fellow indeed, taken away in the first blush of youth and all....

Agreed on the 'permafry' thing too, lots of 'urban legend' stuff here. :)

The permafry thing is very real in my experience. I have a couple of friends that tripped progressively more often/in dosage over the course of a year, and were noticeably affected by their steady use. As a result they had an unhealthy level of detachment, and took quite a few steps back developmentally IMO.

I would also like to add that the many people I know who only occasionally used had overwhelmingly positive experiences with zero negative side effects.

It's often true that too much of any one thing is bad.

Some friends and I took the stuff so frequently - daily - that we had to start taking B complex with it so as to get off at all. The only folks who ended up with problems after had those problems before.

Again: those 'permafries' have all been anecdotal thus far, no single case has actually been presented otherwise.

Of course, too much of pretty much anything can be harmful - even stuff like air and water.