In accordance with the hypocrisy on this board.
Let's see how the reaction is going to be to this thread.

When the global bloody facts speak for themselves on all non Muslims Dhimmis victims worldwide.

What are the actual news all about?

Another Mosque burning, another beheading from the 'religion of beheading', another homicide bombing, another disco bombing in Bali (or anywhere else) another beating to death for being a Christian, another parading with body parts, another wave (after the 2,000,000 are already dead) of enslavement and maiming by Fascistic Arab Muslim Sudan, another decapitation of tourists in the Philippines, another ethnic cleansing of Chinese in Indonesia, another crime on Maluku Islands, more atrocities from "modereate" Saudi Atabian apartheid against non Muslims, more torture against the copt.com Christians in Egypt, more discrimination against black non-Arab Egyptians, more torture of students and beheading by the Mullahs of Iran, more racist persecuting of the Berbers in Morocco, more violence from Algerian Arab Muslims one against each other, more violence in Southern Thailand, more threats of poison gas in the UK, more arrests in Singapore, more mass rape on Nigerian Christians, more killing of Christians by Albanians, More violence and crimes in the Netherland and France by (majority are of) Arab Muslim origin, More bloodshed by Chechen 'freedom fighters' coward criminals, more massacres against the Kurds in Syria the Monster, more bloodshed against Christian Lebanese by Arab Muslim Syrians Occpation, more Imams involved in profiting from Prostituion and <"holy"-sic> sex in Italy for Jihadi Terror, another "moderate" Mullah apologizing for 9/11 horror, another Islamo Arab march of dancing and smiling to the victims pain...

Of course Islamo Arabs are just "peaceful" 'freedom fighters', and Pigs fly too.

There no worse than christians or hindu's on a bad day. I understand there's even a buddist terror group now.
They've forgotten the message and worship the creed, so it seems.

Lay off the muslims in particular and attack the god squad in general.
Thats the best way forward from here IMHO.
Dee Cee

DeeCee, How can you equate this,

1) When only Arab Muslims use (alaakbar) religion for violence?

2) Islamo Arab monster is far greater, more dangerous, and just plain animalistic in it's cruelty, we are talking about parading dancing with body parts in public squares with evil smiles and twisted "pride".

3) The Hindu and Christian minority terrorists, are not being covered and apologized by their modearate majority peers, whereas in the Islamo Arab world, everything has a 'but",,, oh we denounce 9/11 but...
Not only that but the glorification of the mass murderers are even well deep into the main chunks of their "society".

Spot the Muslim!!!
http://www.hitler.org/hitler.jpg Here?

http://www.american-pictures.com/photos/intro-kkk.jpg Over Here?

Or Here? http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1845000/images/_1849140_swords_300.jpg

BTW it's a trick question.

1) When only Arab Muslims use (alaakbar) religion for violence?
God is great?

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death;

godhatesfags.com (http://www.godhatesfags.com/)

2) Islamo Arab monster is far greater, more dangerous, and just plain animalistic in it's cruelty, we are talking about parading dancing with body parts in public squares with evil smiles and twisted "pride".

"Three white men with suspected ties to the Ku Klux Klan chained James Byrd Jr. (a Black hitchhiker) to the back of a pickup truck and dragged him to his death. His head, neck, and right arm were found about a mile from his mangled torso. A wrench with the name of one of the suspects on it was found near the body. Byrd had been dragged about two miles on a narrow, winding asphalt road."

http://www.aaregistry.com/african_american_history/925/Black_man_dragged_to_death_in_Jasper_TX

So it's not just fags...

3) The Hindu and Christian minority terrorists, are not being covered and apologized by their modearate majority peers, whereas in the Islamo Arab world, everything has a 'but",,, oh we denounce 9/11 but...ect ect
Hmm.. You may have a point here but you can find apologists of any colour.
How you feel about the prisoner abuse thing BTW?

Welcome to sciforums Kiwi
Dee Cee

I haven't heard much violence from Hitler or the KKK recently, the sooner Islam puts a stop to its terrorism and proves itself to be a peaceful organisation the better - otherwise it should be eradicated from the planet. That goes for ANY organisation which threatens world peace.

DeeCee - you forgot to mention Jack The Ripper - he's a Christian, no?
and we all feel really scared of him.. as much as we're scared of Hitler and KKK at the moment

Christianity is really scary - you hear all about it in the news nowadays how people are told by G-d to bo and cut ppl's heads off or enslave them or something

Judaism is even worse

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DeeCee, there may be non-Muslim terrorists in the world right now but they are a miniscule percentage. reminding us all about Christian atrocities (KKK) or someone who happened to be Christian (Hitler) but whose religion had nothing to do with it, considering they are from half a century ago or more, is a really bad attempt to make it look at least a little bit equal.

in fact you proved the point that today only what Kiwi has mentioned matters. and the opinion makers (news channels) try to smooth this fact over by hiding facts.
people like you, with good intentions, who feel they have to protect mankind from everyone, either refuse to accept or don't see the evils of those who they're protecting

the thing is, until we all, together, recognize the threat, and call the duck a duck, we won't be able to fix it.

don't you guys ever get tired of justifying the crimes of your respective faiths? Face it, religions in general are aggressive and violent institutions. Islam means peace, christianity is love but if either percieves what they consider a threat, the big guns come out.

Religions are only peaceful when they are secure in their domination, much like nations now that I think about it.

DeeCee - you forgot to mention Jack The Ripper - he's a Christian, no?
and we all feel really scared of him.. as much as we're scared of Hitler and KKK at the moment

Christianity is really scary - you hear all about it in the news nowadays how people are told by G-d to bo and cut ppl's heads off or enslave them or something

Judaism is even worse

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DeeCee, there may be non-Muslim terrorists in the world right now but they are a miniscule percentage. reminding us all about Christian atrocities (KKK) or someone who happened to be Christian (Hitler) but whose religion had nothing to do with it, considering they are from half a century ago or more, is a really bad attempt to make it look at least a little bit equal.

in fact you proved the point that today only what Kiwi has mentioned matters. and the opinion makers (news channels) try to smooth this fact over by hiding facts.
people like you, with good intentions, who feel they have to protect mankind from everyone, either refuse to accept or don't see the evils of those who they're protecting

the thing is, until we all, together, recognize the threat, and call the duck a duck, we won't be able to fix it.

And the next world terrorist act will be commited by people who believe in:

a) Christianity

b) Judaism

c) Islam

answers on a postcard............................ :mad:

<a href="http://www.bluestarbase.org/unholyislam.htm">Unholy Islam : On the Record </a>
?"peaceful"?
When?
Where?
What?

According to the link provided above by Proud Non-Muslim, then yes, Islam is both Racist and Violent and more...

And a guy with the screen name of Proud Non-Muslim is certainly a reliable, unbiased source of information.

Buffys hit the nail on the head ... Christians and Muslims are equally capable of committing mass murder in the names of their beautiful ideals.

Well we did have the Crusades. But then again that was 700 years ago when we thought the world was flat.
There are many peacefull Muslims but they are drowned out by the religuous nuts and fools like Proud Muslim.
Sadly, when PM's retarded friends set off a nuke the muslim world will cease to exist.

Well we did have the Crusades. But then again that was 700 years ago when we thought the world was flat.

AGAIN with the qualifications, "we WERE terrible but...". You look at past atrocities perpetrated in the name of christianity as aberrations committed by a largely uneducated populous, how is that different from islam today, besides the fact it's happening now and not then? How much time has to pass to absolve a religion of it's past horrors? a year, 5, 10, 500? What percentage of believers that will do ANYTHING to oppose other religions or ideas is acceptable?

This is what I continuously hear:

"Well... it's true we have a horrid and bloody history but that was then, we're nice now."

"Sure, we treated women like cattle but that was before the sixties, women are equal now".

"Ok, fine. We do have numerous christian militia groups and wacko's that kill doctors for god but they are a minority."

"And granted, there were catholic terrorists active in Ireland a few years ago but they were just attacking non-believers PLUS they keep the fight over there... so that doesn't really count."

The difference between islam and christianity is ultimately tiny. It's really ironic to me because if you two ever got your shit together you could run the planet. Thankfully, if history is any guide, that will never happen and these minor differences will keep the rest of us safe from you.

Is Islam Racist & Violent?
No more than any other religion, and its some of the people that practice it not the religion itself thats to blame, same with all religions.

AGAIN with the qualifications, "we WERE terrible but...". You look at past atrocities perpetrated in the name of christianity as aberrations committed by a largely uneducated populous, how is that different from islam today, besides the fact it's happening now and not then? How much time has to pass to absolve a religion of it's past horrors? a year, 5, 10, 500? What percentage of believers that will do ANYTHING to oppose other religions or ideas is acceptable?

This is what I continuously hear:

"Well... it's true we have a horrid and bloody history but that was then, we're nice now."

"Sure, we treated women like cattle but that was before the sixties, women are equal now".

"Ok, fine. We do have numerous christian militia groups and wacko's that kill doctors for god but they are a minority."

"And granted, there were catholic terrorists active in Ireland a few years ago but they were just attacking non-believers PLUS they keep the fight over there... so that doesn't really count."

The difference between islam and christianity is ultimately tiny. It's really ironic to me because if you two ever got your shit together you could run the planet. Thankfully, if history is any guide, that will never happen and these minor differences will keep the rest of us safe from you.

The "minor difference" (as you say) between Christianity and Islam is that Christianity has grown up and become civilised - whereas Islam is living in a time stood still 700 years ago where barbaric acts existed and they believe they can act the same way today. To know the difference is to be civilised.

I pity you for not knowing the "minor difference"

"And granted, there were catholic terrorists active in Ireland a few years ago but they were just attacking non-believers PLUS they keep the fight over there... so that doesn't really count."



What on earth are you talking about - are you demonstating your ignorance on the troubles in N. Ireland.

Can you explain the above comment you made? - (I doubt that you can but it would be fun hearing you try...LOL! :D )

No more than any other religion, and its some of the people that practice it not the religion itself thats to blame, same with all religions.

Must be the Islamic militants who spoil it for Islam - duh? :rolleyes:

I can't think of an equivalent for another religion - can you?

How many really believe [forget Politically Correctness now] in the mirage of so called: "moderates" in Islam?

Welcome to sciforums Kiwi
Dee Cee

I disagree respectfully with your post, the difrence is clear, but I respect you and do thank you for the welcome-greeting.

And a guy with the screen name of Proud Non-Muslim is certainly a reliable, unbiased source of information.

Buffys hit the nail on the head ... Christians and Muslims are equally capable of committing mass murder in the names of their beautiful ideals.

The difference being that the threat of Muslims committing mass murder is a reality.

The difference being that the threat of Muslims committing mass murder is a reality.
The way things are going, Vienna, the next person to commit a globally advertised mass murder is most likely to be me.:)

IMHO the war on terror is a contrived crock of shite that should never have been allowed to happen. OBL is ours, we made him we could have dealt with him a long time ago. He should be isolated and marginalised but no, we choose to turn him into the new Saladin.
Way to go dickheads :rolleyes:

If I'm wrong and the current state of world affairs really is down to some scholars misreading of the Quaran, then I offer the following advice.

You can't destroy the Islamic machine.
You work on it's operators.
Dee Cee

The way things are going, Vienna, the next person to commit a globally advertised mass murder is most likely to be me.:)

IMHO the war on terror is a contrived crock of shite that should never have been allowed to happen. OBL is ours, we made him we could have dealt with him a long time ago. He should be isolated and marginalised but no, we choose to turn him into the new Saladin.
Way to go dickheads :rolleyes:

If I'm wrong and the current state of world affairs really is down to some scholars misreading of the Quaran, then I offer the following advice.

You can't destroy the Islamic machine.
You work on it's operators.
Dee Cee

Yeah Dee Cee - There's more to terrorism than plain good ol' Islam. Operation Cyclone played a huge part in the initiation of terrorism today albeit it is all based around Islam. 9/11??? Was Afganistan carpet bombed to lay the pipelines huh? So many lose threads here.....

"carpets of gold" - the pipeline. (http://www.911review.org/Wget/www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/AAoil.html)

Operation Cyclone (http://www.rense.com/general31/cyc.htm)

There has never been an independent inquiry in the events of 9/11. (http://www.911review.org)

Questions are being asked.

As for the operators and the machines I vote we flatten the whole fucking factory - then we can all get some peace. ;)

There's more to terrorism than plain good ol' Islam. Operation Cyclone played a huge part in the initiation of terrorism today albeit it is all based around Islam. 9/11??? Was Afganistan carpet bombed to lay the pipelines huh? So many lose threads here.....

Ah Vienna my lil strudel, I see you're back and in form as per usual. :D

Anywho, there has always been a question that I've wanted to ask you Vienna and I always forget to. But my memory has kicked back in somewhat and it's back in my mind. So here goes...

What if it wasn't a Muslim who flew those planes into the WTO on 9/11? What if it had been a Christian, Hindu, Jew, etc? What if it had been an athiest? What then? Would we be in the moral panic that we see today when it comes to Muslims?

timothy mcveigh did not wrap a towel around his head. therefore, he is one of us. secretly, we kinda admire him. kicked some righteous govt ass!

it is homegrown and it rocks, baby!

You admire someone who killed that many innocent people, many of whom were children in a child care centre in the building?

Ah Vienna my lil strudel, I see you're back and in form as per usual. :D

Anywho, there has always been a question that I've wanted to ask you Vienna and I always forget to. But my memory has kicked back in somewhat and it's back in my mind. So here goes...

What if it wasn't a Muslim who flew those planes into the WTO on 9/11? What if it had been a Christian, Hindu, Jew, etc? What if it had been an athiest? What then? Would we be in the moral panic that we see today when it comes to Muslims?

Hello sweetpea ;)

There are too many unanswered questions laying around but ultimately - it was Muslims who carried out 9/11. Muslims have openly threatened the UK whilst living here in my country. I am totally against anyone or anything that threatens my country - and anyone who threatens my country be it Muslims, Martians or people from the land of Zod - I will fight them. Muslims have threatened my country - I didn't threaten them. They have called for the death of Tony Blair, they burn the Union Flag in public, they display hate towards the native Brits and threaten to terrorise this country in the very near future. We have lived side by side in the town where I live, but they want more than that, they want to destroy the British identity - they want to increase the number of Muslims living here and ultimately turn Britain into a Islamic state - it ain't going to happen.

I want Britain to retain it's identity which has been thrown to the wind by the government and it's political correctness and the favour of the ethnic minorities over the native Brits. This has created animosity in this country. The Government and the ethnic minorities are not gonna steal the Identity of my country - I will fight democratically and I have postal voted for the BNP ( British National Party) in the election which is ongoing at the moment - the actual voting day is June 10th - I would advise anyone who is living in Britain who wants to keep the British identity and not see it turned into a Islamic state to vote BNP too.

It is the Islamo Arab leaders in the West's off-record or on-record, [in Arabic or in English] support for Jihadi bloodshed, that is boosting up the Euro-Nationalists.

timothy mcveigh did not wrap a towel around his head. therefore, he is one of us. secretly, we kinda admire him. kicked some righteous govt ass!

it is homegrown and it rocks, baby!

Your comments reveal a lot about you - dumbass!

Timothy McVeigh is just another sick religious nutter - and a danger to a peaceful society. Dam aren't there enough religious nutters in the world - shoot them all.

your slur offends
honor demands i challenge you for a duel.
on guard, cur!

you guys say that christians and muslems are just about as bad as each other.. well lets pull out the score card then...


Christians - A. In school we are tought that all muslems must die..
B. that only right way is the christian way...
C. that politicly correct comes before all else...
D. that war is evil and killing is wrong and should be stoped...
E. A and B
F. C and D

Muslems - A. In school we are tought that all non muslems must die..
B. that only right way is the muslems way...
C. that politicly correct comes before all else...
D. that war is evil and killing is wrong and should be stoped...
E. A and B
F. C and D

you also pull out our past... saying that we are just as bad... ya you forget at the same time you said that we where so bad that you guys where killing each other anyway... because the did not like how one group was interpreting the coran... Guess what your still doing it.... and hitler was a christaian but he did not kill in the name of god he set up a athiast state... well that one goes out the window... now lets try the KKK... started soon after the civil war... and hit there high in the 50 early 60's and now have mostly died out... You know why???? because as a group we know its wrong... in the states and showed him diffent pictures of bad things black guy being killed by linching, white guy being deheaded, pictures of S&M photo's of arab guy's whats the white going to say ... odds are question 1 wrong bad evil, question 2 wrong bad evil, question 3 wrong sick humm I might pay for that.... ooo I mean evil.... now you do the same thing form a arab from the middle east.... reply to question 1 Is he muslem... no the infidile must die... yes ooo thats wrong the infidiels that did this must pay... reply to question 2 he got what was comming to him... reply to quesiton 3 ooo the the atrositys its the most evil thing i have ever seen.... all christians must die for this....

both sides have the capasity for evil.... but guess what we are raised to question what our leaders say... to make moral jugments on our own... here is another example.....

some arab cleric get arressted.... charges dont mater.... what do arabs do... they march and hold riots...

now amarican preacher gets arrested.... agine charges dont mater what do christians do... they ask what he did and based on evidence if there is any they may pray for him but guess what they dont riot they dont go around chanting saying they want to kill people because of a holy man being arrested.....

amaricans dont march in general or riot we look at things sencebly...
few cases differ the ones where minority groups wig out over small things...

lets take the LA riots.... black man killed by white officers... beating.... what happend LA was looted and burned...

now lets change it up... white man killed by black officers... beating.... if this did not happen in the south.... then guess what nothing would happen... I'm sure the numbers of hate crims would go up but no rioting no looting... we would mown a bit and it would soon leave the news....

here is the plain simple truth.... muslims from birth are trained to follow orders from the chirch.. and never quesiton.... as seen on the abc report about a school where the kids are tought from age 5 up to teens out of the coran every day all day long and pounded into there heads that there way is the only way.....

and for christians in the states?.... chirch and state are totaly appart... shoot I think goverment is trying to get rid of it all togeather... in the sake of being PC.... and guess what we are told to question everthing.... to try to seek the truth... even though if its handed to us we might exept it as truth... and that even if we dont like others they have the right to live... but we can only be pushed so far.... japan learned that very quickly... and it will happen agine with muslems... the rounding up and putting them in camps because we thought out of fear that because they are trained from birth to follow the orders of there empior and that he is a god on earth that they would do anything that japan asked of them... humm sounds alot like muslems dont it?... when some muslem group attacks us agine odds are with nukes... odds are we will round up the muslims in this country and put them in camps and then because of the nature of muslims odds are they will wig out because of this and cry holy war and nuke us agine or try somthing else which will involve us invading another arab country... odda are iran.... and the people will fight us... then some stupid arab will say we will fight to the last man and distroy the USA and all the infidiels in the world we will rain holy fire on your citys.... then some stupid amarican will go the time has come people this is no longer a fight between people dealing in terror... and the U.S. trying to stop it... its now a fight for the servial of our way of life.... and we all know what happens when them words are said to the U.S. people... germany and japan both know... but they had it easy... we did not consider civians in there countrys as combatats... once we took ground... besides policing actions... but in a war between christians and muslems all muslems will be considers combatants.... and I'm sorry to say it... but even if every muslem in the world got together and on mass and invaded the states with there RPG's and AK-47 there is no way ligistalcy that they could win.... yes they could nuke a few citys... but do they really want to open that box that the USA will close...? the USA will only take muslim majoraty hiding the fantics before we will reach a braking point and be forced by the muslims around the world to wipe them off the face of the earth...


here is also a little tid bit you all should like.... the average income of the people that died in 9/11 was 150,000 a year.... the average income of a muslem is 1500 a year so just in the pure lose of money we shoud be killing 38 million muslems before pay back for 9/11 is payed off in full.... I think we still got a ways to go there are still a estimanted 28 thousand terrorest from alkida training camps still running around...


take it as you will but in my eyes.... I would say the world would be a far better place with the USA leading the way then the world being ruled by muslems...

Hello sweetpea ;)

There are too many unanswered questions laying around but ultimately - it was Muslims who carried out 9/11. Muslims have openly threatened the UK whilst living here in my country. I am totally against anyone or anything that threatens my country - and anyone who threatens my country be it Muslims, Martians or people from the land of Zod - I will fight them. Muslims have threatened my country - I didn't threaten them. They have called for the death of Tony Blair, they burn the Union Flag in public, they display hate towards the native Brits and threaten to terrorise this country in the very near future. We have lived side by side in the town where I live, but they want more than that, they want to destroy the British identity - they want to increase the number of Muslims living here and ultimately turn Britain into a Islamic state - it ain't going to happen.

I understand where you're coming from in regards to the threats and the flag burning, but Muslims aren't the only ones who have done this. I've seen many an Irish burn the union jack and wish death upon the PM. Many of the Muslims who live in the UK probably disagree with such actions and they probably disagree or are just as frightened by any terrorist threat hanging upon the UK.

Not all of the ethnic minority are out to destroy your identity. Most of them probably wish to adopt the British identity because of what they think it stands for. I'm an immigrant to my home country and I have lived here for nearly 24 years now. I love this place and would defend it with all I had left. I haven't tried to distort the identity of this country. I'm one of the many who are fighting for the rights of the true people of this land. But not all people are fundamentalists Vienna.

Now my lil strudel, no need to tell us who you voted for :p... You've been telling us for a long long time now that you will vote BNP. But just keep in mind that not all minorities are out to get you. Most of them would probably fight alongside you if need be.


your slur offends
honor demands i challenge you for a duel.
on guard, cur!

Hathor, how manly of you. But if you're going to fight anyone with such a short sword, it would probably be a barbie doll.

take it as you will but in my eyes.... I would say the world would be a far better place with the USA leading the way then the world being ruled by muslems...
Yes, they've led the way so well that they've led us right into a war where hundreds if not thousands of innocent people are dying. Give me a break. The US and Bush could not lead a camel to water. :rolleyes:

take it as you will but in my eyes.... I would say the world would be a far better place with the USA leading the way then the world being ruled by muslems...
Your comparing a country to a religion, i'd feel no more comfortable being ruled by christians than muslims.
here is also a little tid bit you all should like.... the average income of the people that died in 9/11 was 150,000 a year.... the average income of a muslem is 1500 a year so just in the pure lose of money we shoud be killing 38 million muslems before pay back for 9/11 is payed off in full.... I think we still got a ways to go there are still a estimanted 28 thousand terrorest from alkida training camps still running around...
So its not about how many they killed its because they are earning more and therefore worth more, how can you put a price on life? And as for loss of money statement economically the USA has lost nothing as far as their wages are concerned, the families have lost out but more than that they have lost someone important to them, i think you meant the ammount of damage done is what should be dealt back, because your reasoning is flawed otherwise.

I understand where you're coming from in regards to the threats and the flag burning, but Muslims aren't the only ones who have done this. I've seen many an Irish burn the union jack and wish death upon the PM. Many of the Muslims who live in the UK probably disagree with such actions and they probably disagree or are just as frightened by any terrorist threat hanging upon the UK.

Not all of the ethnic minority are out to destroy your identity. Most of them probably wish to adopt the British identity because of what they think it stands for. I'm an immigrant to my home country and I have lived here for nearly 24 years now. I love this place and would defend it with all I had left. I haven't tried to distort the identity of this country. I'm one of the many who are fighting for the rights of the true people of this land. But not all people are fundamentalists Vienna.

Now my lil strudel, no need to tell us who you voted for :p... You've been telling us for a long long time now that you will vote BNP. But just keep in mind that not all minorities are out to get you. Most of them would probably fight alongside you if need be.




Hi Bells

They wouldn't fight alongside me - in fact many Muslims who live here went to Iraq and Afganistan to fight against the allies - then came back to Britain to continue living here - That is treason.

Muslims aren't out to get me personally, but they do want to change this country, for example. even some British building societies have taken on board Islamic loans in compliance with the Sharia law ( Just an example of thousands I can mention). Attacks on white people have been hushed up and not reported in newspapers, racism is a one way street here but it's all coming out now thank God. The political correct do-gooders are hopefully breathing their last. Islamic politics are affecting this country so much now that the British public have had enough - it's time to act.

If I were to burn an Islamic flag in the middle of London and chant racist remarks towards Muslims I would be arrested on the spot and imprisoned. Yet Muslims are allowed to do exactly the same but against the British, and nothing is done. Abu Hamza is in custody now, but that was because of Americas actions - not British. There is something very sick with a British government that cannot or will not protect the people of Britain, it will not protect the identity of British ethnicity and its heritage against the influx of muslim immigrants and their aim to change this country. It is happening all over Europe and some European countries have taken the initiative, but Britian at the moment is being led by a weak willed government who follows America at the snap of a finger, it will not last long. Bring the elections on - No more illegal wars - No more immigrants - Keep the British currency and stay away from the European Union. I'm not messing about, I will fight tooth and nail.

I could go on Bells, but I think you get the picture. :)

iam just stating it how it was posted origonaly... but really the price of life in the world is cheep... we are all cattle... thats all it brakes down 2... the masses dont matter there only reason for being around is to lift the rich of the world onto its shoulders so they can live it up at the cost of human lives some where else.... think of it this way you work all of your life for what exactly? its all just slavary but with nice slave corders... its all a illusion of freedom... the problem is your the slave of sociaty... not to a person or country...


people die all the time... somthing like 1 person dies every 90 seconds USA... thats 960 people a day.... humm... how many people have died in the gulf on the US side.... they are all complaining about the cost of the war is to hight in human lives.... we lose more very day.... but no one cares.... in the third world its more like 1 person dies every 15 seconds... life is cheep you need to get over it...

your slur offends
honor demands i challenge you for a duel.
on guard, cur!

Anytime you are ready - go for it.

Duel me - I could do with a laugh!

iam just stating it how it was posted origonaly... but really the price of life in the world is cheep... we are all cattle... thats all it brakes down 2... the masses dont matter there only reason for being around is to lift the rich of the world onto its shoulders so they can live it up at the cost of human lives some where else.... think of it this way you work all of your life for what exactly? its all just slavary but with nice slave corders... its all a illusion of freedom... the problem is your the slave of sociaty... not to a person or country...


people die all the time... somthing like 1 person dies every 90 seconds USA... thats 960 people a day.... humm... how many people have died in the gulf on the US side.... they are all complaining about the cost of the war is to hight in human lives.... we lose more very day.... but no one cares.... in the third world its more like 1 person dies every 15 seconds... life is cheep you need to get over it...

You might think your life is cheap buddy boy - but I value mine.

people die all the time... somthing like 1 person dies every 90 seconds USA... thats 960 people a day.... humm... how many people have died in the gulf on the US side.... they are all complaining about the cost of the war is to hight in human lives.... we lose more very day.... but no one cares.... in the third world its more like 1 person dies every 15 seconds... life is cheep you need to get over it...
Thats because many of those deaths at home are unavoidable, likewise many people are born and nobody cares.
think of it this way you work all of your life for what exactly? its all just slavary but with nice slave corders... its all a illusion of freedom... the problem is your the slave of sociaty... not to a person or country...
I work for money because without it i'd be unable to buy food, eventually i will find a job i enjoy and then i will be getting payed for doing something i wanna do, to an extent we are free but never completely unless we grow our own food, build our own house etc.

just making a generalzation.... people die... people are used up and discared like trash.... its the way the world has worked sence man walked and talked... the strong crushing the weak under there boots....


to truely make the world a better place we need to do is edit all the books get rid of all religens then get all the kids of the world togeather in some small area of the world around age 2 and have a custodians take care of them teaching them the tree hugging hippy ways... and let them live like that for a few gearations aliminating anyone that shows any bad traits and let them all screw tell they are all one color... one size... one language... one hair color one eye color... you get the basic idea... tell all that is left is tan people that are all tree huggning hippys then teach them all the diffent skills they will need then the rest of the world needs to be cleanzed kill everone off leaving no one alive... no history of past hatreds or religians... a clean slate if you will... you cant hate some one that looks like you and thinks like you and acts like you .... umm... cookie cutter robots..... tastie....

people die all the time... somthing like 1 person dies every 90 seconds USA... thats 960 people a day.... humm... how many people have died in the gulf on the US side.... they are all complaining about the cost of the war is to hight in human lives....
Very true!
15-20 thousand Americans are killed every year by.... Americans!
and they go to war on the Muslims!
LoL :D

Hey you smart boys all know just how much the Pentagon props up the economy now, don't you?
Dee Cee

just making a generalzation.... people die... people are used up and discared like trash.... its the way the world has worked sence man walked and talked... the strong crushing the weak under there boots....
Where the fuck are you from man?
The place sounds pretty fucked up.
If was you I'd move to Europe. the people are much more civilised there.

What's the opposite of "Rose tinted spectacles?"
Dee Cee

F. C and D
here is also a little tid bit you all should like.... the average income of the people that died in 9/11 was 150,000 a year.... the average income of a muslem is 1500 a year so just in the pure lose of money we shoud be killing 38 million muslems before pay back for 9/11 is payed off in full.... I think we still got a ways to go there are still a estimanted 28 thousand terrorest from alkida training camps still running around...
and what about the money Iraq have lost beacause of the US? before sanctions, Iraq was one of the richest and morden cities in the ME. it had high literacy rates and some of the lowest infant moratlity in the world. 93% of the population had accseess to modernised medical care for free.

after sanctions Iraq's econonmy was completly destroyed, MILLIONS lost there jobs, beacame homeless and died.. Iraq lost everything and over 1,000,000 people died, mainly new born babies and chiuldren as a result of starvation and lack of medical care.
Iraq went from some of the lowest ifanct moratlity to the one of the highest. i dont see Iraqis getting any compensation

so you want Muslims to pay for America but shouldnt America pay for capatilaism(well the American version) and its exploiation of other countries?

and America exploits practically all Muslim countries resources (and other Non Muslim countries) and supports the dicatators and terrorists and then decides to have wars against them.

the US spends approxametly $1 BILLION a day on weaopns and miltatry but can not pay back the UN $400 million for peacekeeping missions.

America has placed puppet govermants all around the world. in Haitai, the poorest country in the western hemisphere, America has made sure that France does not pay back $21 Billion dollars of debt to this poor and starbing country and is making sure it capitaliszes on the Carabeian by using thigs like the FTAA which gives full control to latin american welath and trade to America and makes unfair trade prices.

really i feel sorry for Freemason America, after it falls from a super power, which would propbably be before 100 years from now, then the next super power will have no mercy on the US and will exploit, kill and maim the US just as the US does to others.

and what about the money Iraq have lost beacause of the US? before sanctions, Iraq was one of the richest and morden cities in the ME. it had high literacy rates and some of the lowest infant moratlity in the world. 93% of the population had accseess to modernised medical care for free.

after sanctions Iraq's econonmy was completly destroyed, MILLIONS lost there jobs, beacame homeless and died.. Iraq lost everything and over 1,000,000 people died, mainly new born babies and chiuldren as a result of starvation and lack of medical care.
Iraq went from some of the lowest ifanct moratlity to the one of the highest. i dont see Iraqis getting any compensation

so you want Muslims to pay for America but shouldnt America pay for capatilaism(well the American version) and its exploiation of other countries?

and America exploits practically all Muslim countries resources (and other Non Muslim countries) and supports the dicatators and terrorists and then decides to have wars against them.

the US spends approxametly $1 BILLION a day on weaopns and miltatry but can not pay back the UN $400 million for peacekeeping missions.

America has placed puppet govermants all around the world. in Haitai, the poorest country in the western hemisphere, America has made sure that France does not pay back $21 Billion dollars of debt to this poor and starbing country and is making sure it capitaliszes on the Carabeian by using thigs like the FTAA which gives full control to latin american welath and trade to America and makes unfair trade prices.

really i feel sorry for Freemason America, after it falls from a super power, which would propbably be before 100 years from now, then the next super power will have no mercy on the US and will exploit, kill and maim the US just as the US does to others.

I can't argue with that Preacher - I am really annoyed that Britain is involved too. If it was up to the British people we would not have invaded Iraq. One example of an undemocractic government we have.

like i said though, when America falls from a super power its gonna have some serious problems.

vienna, glad we agree on something, i dont think the world really has a true democratic country. the leaders do what they want, if they cant then they just spread lies and propaganda to get public support. people cant say what they feel as so called freedom of speech doesnt exsist aswell, the treacherous are seen as trustworthy and the trust worthy are treachorous.

american politicians summed up:
"i did not have sexual relations with that woman" - bill clinton

british politicians summed up:
"Iraq has WMD's and is capable of striking British people in holiday islands in 45 minutes" - Tonly "ass lickin" Blair (bush said somethig similar aswelll)

more american politics:

Sadam Hussien: "innotive" "smart" "tactful" and even "great"

ten years later,

"terrorist" "madman"

same with the Taliban, iran and in the future (i reckon another decade) it will be Saudia Arabia.

like i said though, when America falls from a super power its gonna have some serious problems.

Empires have a nasty habit of crashing down all around them, and Bush has made America the most hated superpower on Earth.

vienna, glad we agree on something, i dont think the world really has a true democratic country. the leaders do what they want, if they cant then they just spread lies and propaganda to get public support. people cant say what they feel as so called freedom of speech doesnt exsist aswell, the treacherous are seen as trustworthy and the trust worthy are treachorous.

Quite the opposite here, government lies and propaganda to get public support doesn't work, the majority of the British public didn't want a war on Iraq. This act of war by this government ensured their short comings at re-election. They should have been lynched for

a) starting an Illegal War

b) putting this country on the terrorists map.

In Britain freedom of speech exists only to the few - Abu Hamza got away with treason and it took action America (Not Britain) to get him locked up. If an Englishman said the same about Muslims in the same way he would be locked up without hesitation. You see it is the British governments favouring the immigrants over the British ethnics in this country that causes the greatest friction. The government introduces one way political correctness, and that causes more friction. The government is the cause of racial tensions in this country, and they caused this by lies, favouritism and cover ups. Then they take on a war on a muslim country - shit - do they want this country blown to fucking pieces or what??? Iraq??? we are war with Iraq?? I can't hear Iraq dropping any bombs on the UK, is Iraqs navy heading for Britain? No. But I bet Britain will get a blasting in the near future now that our idiotic leader Tony B Liar waged war with Iraq - what a dolt.


american politicians summed up:
"i did not have sexual relations with that woman" - bill clinton

british politicians summed up:
"Iraq has WMD's and is capable of striking British people in holiday islands in 45 minutes" - Tonly "ass lickin" Blair (bush said somethig similar aswelll).

LOL! B Liar is still licking his wounds after that one, the blame has been shifted on to the intelligence, what a farce - it's a load of bollox.

If the intelligence can state without doubt that WMD existed they must have known where they were - with satellite photos at least to back it up.

When the ordinary public can see through crystal clear lies like this, why are politicians allowed to commit such criminal acts like declaring war on any country they feel like - And to top it all when Islamic militants hit back they are called the bad guys - fuck me - this sick world is becoming sicker.

american politicians summed up:
"i did not have sexual relations with that woman" - bill clinton

i assume you mean..lying?

in anycase, it seems absurd. what you offer up is a typical response from any male when caught in a compromising situation.
it is a matter that concerns the parties involved
if i recall, clinton never pledged not to have an affair when running for election.
why the outrage?

the man was forced into a corner and put in an impossible situation.
so cmon preacher x, how about a better example?

G W Bush "Trust me"

T Bliar.. 45 minutes ect ect.:)

Dee Cee

bliar - i like, took a minute tho

several things... there are no illigal-wars wars are a natural occurance they are like fights even if outlawed will occur. Personally I think the war was a lashout at islam govts as a whole to say something like: if you dont clean up your house we will do it for you. this apparently didnt have the best effect but running from it now would be even worse.

I actually feel sorry for the brits vienna by listening that the govt is pro-immigrant and anti-ethnic in US it feels like its fairly neutral. I guess that favoritism does lead to tensions and justly i might add. Furthermore I would agree with you that blair shouldnt have gotten involved in iraq but once he did i think he should follow through because u dont wanna leave someone holding the bag once you already agreed to help them with it. Granted the populous didn't support it but that should have been expressed prior to not afterwards. Personally I think the war in iraq made some sense although not a whole lot and I generally don't care but think if its started it should be finished therefor I figure they should continue it until handover.

Also I completely agree islam is stuck in the dark ages and it apparently will never get out because its moderates are stoned to death as soon as they show a hint of their views. Personally I think there should be a very very very stern policy towards fighting terrorism something to the effect of killing the whole extended and non-extended family of the terrorists once they have been proven guilty post-mortem of the accused deed. This would keep the award money facilitiating terrorism as incentive to sacrifice oneself for the benefit of the family.

american politicians summed up:
"i did not have sexual relations with that woman" - bill clinton

Ahhh, those were the days. Don't think that Clinton and Bush are the same just because they're both American politicians. Bush's list of misdeeds will most likely be of a far more serious nature.

how do we know Sadam has chemical weapons

beacause we kept the reciepts!!

how do we know Sadam has chemical weapons

beacause we kept the reciepts!!
The poor Kurds have the bloody receipts.
Oops, sorry for they are not Muslim Arabs, and as such can not be considered as victims at bias UN.

Funny how the Arab world Hated Saddam for oppressing the muslims in his country, invading Iran, butchering his people, and ivading Kuwait- but since he shot a couple of missles at Isreal and WE got rid of him- he is all of the sudden the greatest Islamic Hero.

Typical BRAINWASHED muslims.

american politicians summed up:
"i did not have sexual relations with that woman" - bill clinton



Least he didnt marry a 6 year old baby and was pounding her by age nine like your pedophile prophet. How can you preach about morals when you have none ???.

Silly rabbit trix are for kids....

"I am really annoyed that Britain is involved"
echo that from Australia, none of the Aussie public supported the war

"Funny how the Arab world Hated Saddam for oppressing the muslims in his country, invading Iran, butchering his people, and ivading Kuwait- but since he shot a couple of missles at Isreal and WE got rid of him- he is all of the sudden the greatest Islamic Hero."
yeah, its called a common enemy, they still hate saddam, but he is nothing compared to their hate for America

"Typical BRAINWASHED muslims."
no, typical brainwashed humans, dont be so fucking hypocrtical, you're just as brainwashed as them, and so am i, so i should stop being hypocritical too :P

btw, brainwashed better have been in caps as a parody of proud muslim, cos otherwise....

bliar - i like, took a minute tho

You're a bit slow LOL! :D

your slur offends
honor demands i challenge you for a duel.
on guard, cur!

Hey "timothy mcveigh" lover.... I'm still waiting.

chill out niggy. the posts have been deleted. your secret is safe.
if you continue to taunt and harass....

Islam is no worse than any other religion in itself. We only have to look through history to see how *violent* christianity was, but it does pose a great threat because of how it is placed in the world today. Unfortunately it's become all wrapt up in identity politics...a source of self-esteem for the ME and a channel by which to rage against the West.

Christianity has had to face 300 years or so of rigorous intellectual criticism and believers are now left with a largely watered down version of their faith. Apart from lunatic fringe elements, the christian world is really a secular one. Islam has had no such heavy scrutiny imposed upon it from within its own cultural context....mainstream Islam IS fundamentalist. It has been kept in the dark ages because if too much light is thrown upon it, like all irrational ideas, it will begin to crumble.

A religion like Islam, which in many countries is interwoven with the political fabric, can only poison the well of political grievances in the Middle East.

There is a difference, however, since the Christian bible does not advocate violence while the Koran does in some places.

It's been a few years since sunday school so I googled "violence in the bible" and found these thoughts at http://www.crosscurrents.org/moser0701.htm:

"And consider too how God, further on in Genesis, flagrantly destroys Sodom and Gomorrah with "brimstone and fire." Another Sunday school lesson that is taught with cartoon pictures, a violent story sans the violence. No close-ups, no burned and scorched flesh, no agonized mourners. Just swift, clean, unfathomable justice (Gen. 19:24)."

GOD: "hey, as long as it's hethens you're punishing, kill away! Wahoo!"

"Consider Second Chronicles 20:24. The writer shows us a landscape strewn with corpses. From a watchtower in the wilderness we see, with Judah, that the inhabitants of Seir have been utterly destroyed. Thousands of dead bodies have fallen to the earth. None escaped. This is but one of myriad biblical events that fulfill the Psalmist's joyous hope of the day when his people's feet will be dipped in the blood of their enemies. Blood, as Zephaniah says, that will pour out like dust (Zeph. 1:17). Blood, as the Psalmist says, that the dogs will lap*up (Ps. 68:23)."

GOD: "yay, roll in the blood of your enemies!"

"Not long after that old Abraham is prepared to cut the throat of his beloved son, on God's inscrutable orders, intended to make Abraham prove himself. Yet another pervasive and powerful Sunday school lesson devoid of all the implications of what would have happened if God's angels had not stayed Abraham's hand (Gen. 22:9-13)."

GOD: "psyc! Just kidding abe, I just wanted to make sure you'd murder for me... we're cool, you can go home now."

Don't get me started about the killing of all those egyptian babies... those examples are just the smallest tip of a bloody iceberg. What can I say, when you're right, you're right David F. The bible is clearly all just fluffy love and cheek turning.

You know as well as I that the old testament is an integral part of teaching the christian faith. You can't have it both ways, either the god in the first part is the same as the god in the second or it isn't. Saying, "god is infinite and unchanging" on one hand and, "just ignore the first bit of the bible, god is kind and nice now" on the other, it directly contradicts the nature of god taught by every version of christianity that I'm familiar with.

The phrase, "he gave his only begotten son" says a lot in itself as well. God demanded a sacrifice... his own kid. Why? so we can stop burning animals for him. Besides being bizarre in the extreme it's one of the most violent acts in the bible and it's perpetrated by god himself... in the new testament.

Not violent?

David F,

Just want to say you express the sentiments of the Old Testament beautifully. Much appreciated. People seem to forget that Christians believe God did not act until many prophets were sent and ignored, many warnings were sent and ignored until finally the channels of grace had been closed off completely. Man brought about his own fate and God gave us a way out by sending Jesus, whose message is also ignored by many of those who most need to hear it.

Christianity has been able to reform itself into a gentler, less fanatical version of its former self due largely to Jesus' admonition to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's. This allowed Christians to eventually separate the Church from the State without feeling they had lost some integral part of their faith.

I often wonder if Islam will ever be able to make the same transformation.

ok, if you really believe the old testament it isn't a major influence in christianity we can just ignore it for now.

Lets think about the very symbol of christianity (as described in the new testament) for a minute. It's a cross... WITH A GUY NAILED TO IT, can you honestly tell me there is no violence built into christianity? Seriously, your symbol is a person being tortured to death, that says a lot in my opinion.

buffys,

Christ is not being tortured to death by Christians. Christ, when they came for Him, went like a lamb to the slaughter. The whole point of the symbolism of the Cross is that Jesus did not fight back but went willingly.

yeah, god required his sons death. A painful, humiliating, extended death so I ask myself why did he require it? Since god makes up the rules I'd assume he (being all powerful and all knowing) could come up with a less violent way to get his sacrifice.

Maybe, if he'd have considered it at all, it might have occurred to him that the only reason that sacrifices were necessary in the first place is because he demanded them. Think about how ridiculous that is.

I keep picturing god thinking to himself, "hmmm, how can I get around this animal sacrifice stuff? there's got to be a way that I can talk to humans one on one (he seems to forget at this point that he's god and can do whatever the hell he wants) ... Oh! of course, I'll have a kid of my own and let the humans kill him, it's the sacrifice that keeps on giving!"

Animal (old testament) and human (new testament) sacrifices. Like it or not violence is built into christianity on a very fundamental level. Imagine what you'd think if buddhism's symbol, for example, wasn't a relaxed fat guy but a guy hanging from a noose or a guy being burned alive. You'd think buddhists were psychopaths.

Christianity has been able to reform itself into a gentler, less fanatical version of its former self due largely to Jesus' admonition to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.


Oh right :rolleyes:

Shall I mention the word "Crusades"? .... and as for the Inquisition ..well

Lets think about the very symbol of christianity (as described in the new testament) for a minute. It's a cross... WITH A GUY NAILED TO IT, can you honestly tell me there is no violence built into christianity? Seriously, your symbol is a person being tortured to death, that says a lot in my opinion.


buffys,

Christ is not being tortured to death by Christians. Christ, when they came for Him, went like a lamb to the slaughter. The whole point of the symbolism of the Cross is that Jesus did not fight back but went willingly.

Where the hell do you people get your ideas from ??????

The cross is a symbol of the resurrection which is the foundation of Christianity.

Spend some time in the religion forum - you might learn something.

Oh right :rolleyes:

Shall I mention the word "Crusades"? .... and as for the Inquisition ..well

Everyone uses the crusades though, lets get a bit more recent. How about burning "witches", abuse of the native americans - physical, sexual, mental - in "christian" schools (not to mention forced cultural reprograming), the ku klux klan, violence against gays and doctors... all under the guise of doing "god's work". Did you know there are roughly 400 militia groups in the US and the majority are christian based? are you trying to say that is just a coincidence? I won't even include the unbelievable number of recently convicted pedophile priests.

But I think the most compelling point showing christianity is just as violent at it's core as any other major religion comes from the new testament (Matthew 10:34):

Jesus: "Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."

Everyone uses the crusades though, lets get a bit more recent. How about burning "witches", abuse of the native americans - physical, sexual, mental - in "christian" schools (not to mention forced cultural reprograming), the ku klux klan, violence against gays and doctors... all under the guise of doing "god's work". Did you know there are roughly 400 militia groups in the US and the majority are christian based? are you trying to say that is just a coincidence? I won't even include the unbelievable number of recently convicted pedophile priests.

But I think the most compelling point showing christianity is just as violent at it's core as any other major religion comes from the new testament (Matthew 10:34):

Jesus: "Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."

Good point buffys,

Jeeeez, have you read the next line:

Matthew 10:35
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Sounds like he's into domestic violence too..

But this is World events forum, this really belongs to the Religion forum....How about you starting a thread on this?
Could be interesting.. :)

well, I didn't start this thread so what do I know? Religion and politics are often hard to separate, the thread is called, "Is Islam Racist & Violent?" and the mod didn't move it so I won't argue.

I think this thread fits fairly equally, in both the "world events" or "religion" areas. So I'm happy to let the mods decide.

buffys,

The entire chapter you are quoting occurs when Jesus warns those who would follow Him about the consequences of people around them, such as their families turning against them. Jesus is not threatening but letting His disciples know what they're in for. Here's the verse including the lines before it:

28 And fear ye not them that kill the body, and are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him that can destroy both soul and body in hell.

29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and not one of them shall fall on the ground without your Father.

30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

31 Fear not therefore: better are you than many sparrows.

32 Every one therefore that shall confess me before men, I will also confess him before my Father who is in heaven.

33 But he that shall deny me before men, I will also deny him before my Father who is in heaven.

34 Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.

35 For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36 And a man's enemies shall be they of his own household.

Jesus knew His coming would inspire both belief and disbelief and people who followed Him would face resistance and persecution.

Well thats one interpretation Paula.

Now how about the Crusades ? and the Inquisistion?

Well thats one interpretation Paula.

Now how about the Crusades ? and the Inquisistion?

Not to address the entire question of the thread but the crusades, as deplorable as they may be in retrospect, didn't occur in a vacuum. Yes they were given papal legitimacy but the original seed for the crusades was a request for help from the Byznatine emperor Alexei. The Byznatines had just suffered a catastrophic defeat at Manzikurt at the hands of the turks and now a huge swath of christian byzantium was subjugated by the turks. The previously christian middle east had been subject to 400 years of muslim conquest and aggression(jihad) it wasn't until Alexei called for aid that the christian west reacted. The crusade was meant to be a military expedition to assist Byzantium but developed a life of it's own after being endorsed as a holy mission by the pope.

Originally quited by Paula
Christianity has been able to reform itself into a gentler, less fanatical version of its former self due largely to Jesus' admonition to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's. This allowed Christians to eventually separate the Church from the State without feeling they had lost some integral part of their faith.

I think it's worth emphasizing here that Christianity owes it's *gentler, less fanatical version" in large part to the secular intellectuals of the enlightenment, who shamed the church into change. A mere 300 years ago the christian establishment was still burning witches at the stake....Jesus'admonition didn't seem to mean much then.

"A mere 300 years ago the christian establishment was still burning witches at the stake....Jesus'admonition didn't seem to mean much then. "

Well lets look back at the year 1700..a time of ignorance, a lack of science, education, technology, legal system, womans rights, rights in general, there was slavery etc..etc..
We have come along way in 300 years. In fac the MAJORITY of the world has come along way in 300 years. However, certain cultures have not.

Well lets look back at the year 1700..a time of ignorance, a lack of science, education, technology, legal system, womans rights, rights in general, there was slavery etc..etc..
We have come along way in 300 years. In fac the MAJORITY of the world has come along way in 300 years. However, certain cultures have not.

true enough but those advancements were made in spite of religion not as a result of it. In fact, you'll find the majority of those achievements were actively resisted by religion. And what groups are still fighting the hardest against the progress you mentioned? religious groups.

The only reason we have more freedoms than some other countries is because we took religion (christianity in our case) out of the decision making process.

What astounds me is how often people point to other cultures and say," hey, we might have been monsters for 99% of our history but last year we changed, so why the hell haven't you changed yet!"

"A mere 300 years ago the christian establishment was still burning witches at the stake....Jesus'admonition didn't seem to mean much then. "

Well lets look back at the year 1700..a time of ignorance, a lack of science, education, technology, legal system, womans rights, rights in general, there was slavery etc..etc..
We have come along way in 300 years. In fac the MAJORITY of the world has come along way in 300 years. However, certain cultures have not.

Exactly !

The majority of the world has come a long way in 300 years because of secularism; Christianity has learned from it, but Islam isn't even under starting orders.

Hello David :)
I don't think anyone wants to follow this logic,
I do.
Who interprets those scriptures for you?
I mean for you personally David. Did you pick up the good book one day in a second hand bookstore and say to yourself. "Gee! this bible looks interesting I think I'll read it!" or did you get your first bible elsewhere?
Does Jimmy Swaggart read scripture the same way as John Paul or the Klu Klux Clan?
So who's reading do you agree with and what makes it the 'right' one?

If you ain't figured it out yet the answers simple.

Religion is a tool for social control, to suggest that one religion is 'better' than another mearly demonstrates how deep into the mire you have sunk.
You can always spot the priests in any society just look out for the well fed guy. (If you don't belive that I suggest you take a trip to Sub Saharan Africa)
Jews christians and muslims are all in the same boat. Your all Abrahams children so why quibble over what your local priest says?
Fuck him!
If you can't face burning you allotted holy pamphlet then try reading the books far away from anybody who wants to tell you what they mean.
Oops but I guess your one of those people eh?

You should all be out trying to fuck over the Hindus.
God damn polytheists!
Dee Cee

BTW David
You might wanna see Tiassas neglected take on the subject of Islamic morality.

http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=37440

Dee Cee

GUILTY S. ARABIA!

Saudi Arabia, the GOLIATH (http://www.geocities.com/arabracismplusjihad/SaudiArabia)

Investigate & expose Saudi Arabia.

Investigate the evil Empire that has created the Terror monster for three decades.

That is STILL Boosting those so called "charities".

That are the biggest exporters of: Oil and Wahabbi-Hate.

Don't listen to their English, PR SHOW to us, but to their Arabic words to their people and especially to their action.

Amazing how ONLY after the Saudi Militants have slaughtered American Mr. Paul Johnson, they "found" , Al Qaeda Confirms Death of Al-Muqran (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,123165,00.html) the killers, and so RAPIDLY all of a sudden.
Of course they are part of the BLOODY problem.

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And This is from a media source who's in no way immune of Bias Arabism:
CNN.com - Lawmakers: Saudi Arabia allowed terror to thrive - Jun 18, 2004 (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/18/saudi.backlash/index.html)

Originally posted by David F
This is an interesting proposition... If so-called Christian leaders (kings, popes, cardinals) abuse their position and, in the name of God, commit acts which are against their religion, then all Christianity for all time is now violent??? Well how is it that throughout history christianity has so easily been the vehicle for so much violence? Why is it that when it was at its most influential, it was at its most violent? The point is I think, not whether this or that religion is more intrinsically violent than another, but that religion itself is an irrational idea and irrational ideas in the hands of people with political agendas are dangerous. Take a look around at the worlds political hotspots and you will likely find religious conflict lurking there.

Christianity is a peaceful religion now, because it has been displaced from the political arena and not because it is superior or particularly non-violent. Put christianity in the right circumstances and you could quickly find the rationalizations for violence roll out again.

GUILTY S. ARABIA!
I fully agree.
I do find it kinda ironic that a brutal dictatorship with such close ties to the west including overt military and political support is now under threat from a 'terrorist' group founded and funded by a western trained dude.

You couldn't make it up.
Dee Cee

timothy mcveigh did not wrap a towel around his head. therefore, he is one of us. secretly, we kinda admire him. kicked some righteous govt ass!

it is homegrown and it rocks, baby!

you admire him? you're sick. it was a sad day, when one of our own killed 168 innocent people, just working for the gov, isn't a 'capital' offence.

if you don't like the US gov, then move out. I'm sure they could use you in Iraq?

"rocks"?, you mean you have rocks in your head, what type of person wants gov workers & buildings demolished?

Shall I mention the word "Crusades"? ....
If you look at the history, it was the West's first attempt at stopping 'Jihad' against the East (the Byzantine Empire asked for help against the Seljuk Turks), problem was, that the Crusaders couldn't tell them apart, so they killed everybody & then let God sort them out.
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/MA/BYZ.HTM

and as for the Inquisition ..well
Spain learned that from the Almohads & Almoravids (muslim Berbers), after fighting 800 years to rid their country from muslim invaders (711 to 1492)
http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/cultural/oldworld/europe/almohads.html

... the Crusaders couldn't tell them apart, so they killed everybody & then let God sort them out.

I couldn't have stated the problem better.

Pick a faith. Every religion can commit any crime and then say, "... let God sort them out." christianity and islam are far more alike than different, I can't believe they don't see that.

Why do muslims and christians waste so much of their time and effort arguing over who invented god? Each too their own i suppose, but to the educated peoples of the world, all religion seems to be an irrelevance in their lives. The way i see it is that in a couple of hundred years, the west will have consigned religion to the trash can of life, while the third world will still be peddling the evil nonsense of religion to its poor impoverished masses. Does anybody else see a new type of iron curtain being erected around the west to keep out hoards of , well lets be honest here, muslims from destroying our nice comfortable way of life?

Why do muslims and christians waste so much of their time and effort arguing over who invented god?
Not invented (clever insult), but whether Jesus is the Savior or allah is god

Each too their own i suppose, but to the educated peoples of the world, all religion seems to be an irrelevance in their lives. educated? please, you make me laugh, as if an education made any one live & think automatically in a non-religious way. & so, all of us that went to college & graduated, we are not 'educated', is that what you're saying?

The way i see it is that in a couple of hundred years, the west will have consigned religion to the trash can of life,
maybe Europe, but they will have muslims already in their mitts, & since Euros aren't populating, they will be over-run by muslims in maybe 50 years, the new national language of Germany will be "Turkish", of France, "Arabic", of Spain, "Arabic", of England, "Urdu", of the Netherlands, "Indonesian Malay", Italy's a toss up, "Albanian" &/or "Arabic".

while the third world will still be peddling the evil nonsense of religion to its poor impoverished masses. gee thanks, as if believing in God is or was a preoccupation of the poor only

Does anybody else see a new type of iron curtain being erected around the west to keep out hoards of , well lets be honest here, muslims from destroying our nice comfortable way of life?you're too late, about 50 years too late. What happened, Mr. "educated"? couldn't see it coming?, "cause & effect" man, it's the oldest rule in science, now the only remedy, will be ruthless, like 'wholesale ouster' or 'forced secularism', & no democracy can do that, & call itself a democracy

I couldn't have stated the problem better.
not original on my part, its part of an old 'slogan' on a t-shirt

Pick a faith. Every religion can commit any crime and then say, "... let God sort them out." christianity and islam are far more alike than different,
you might believe it, superficially there are some similarities, but delve deeper & the diff is clear as night & day. islam is totally anti-christian, founded in 622, they set up a mosque on the Jewish Temple site in Jerusalem, sorry, but that's too close to the 'number of the beast' & 'abomination that causes desolation” prophecies for me, "Armageddon" anyone

I can't believe they don't see that.
like I said, too many diff's

http://www.flattosharon.co.il/IslamMap/IslamMapEnglish.jpg

so peacefull.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article...article_id=4206

very civilized and peacfull religion it is.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L21415092.htm

True face of peacfull christians

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Stor...1214698,00.html

not original on my part, its part of an old 'slogan' on a t-shirt


you might believe it, superficially there are some similarities, but delve deeper & the diff is clear as night & day. islam is totally anti-christian, founded in 622, they set up a mosque on the Jewish Temple site in Jerusalem, sorry, but that's too close to the 'number of the beast' & 'abomination that causes desolation” prophecies for me, "Armageddon" anyone


like I said, too many diff's


number of the beast........lol lol.. you don't even know what is that beast. :rolleyes:

250'000 muslims men women and children killed by chrisitans of serbia and in kosovo and Radno still calls his religion peacefull. Wasn't milosivc and his army christians? I think that was a the worst massacare by christians in recent history but rando still talks about peacefull religion. Pretty sand how brain wahed rando has become. :o

http://hrw.org/doc/?t=europe_pub&c=bosher

http://www.flattosharon.co.il/IslamMap/IslamMapEnglish.jpg

and just for your eyes.

http://www.mpacuk.org/mpac/data/a3353747/a3353747.jsp

And the killing continues with rando and his peacefull chrisitan brothers.

http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/russia/chechnya/

ahh and yet he still think that his religion is more peacefull then islam or any one else. :(

number of the beast........lol lol.. you don't even know what is that beast. :rolleyes:
the 'beast', why that would be Mohammad, when he was tempted by satan with all the kingdoms of the earth, (& not knowing the diff between satan & Jabril, read satanic verses left out of sura 53), why Mohammad accepted. the rest is history, bloody history. Mohammad dies in 632, what do muslims do? why attempt to conquer the world; syria, iraq, persia, palestine, egypt, asia minor, lybia, tunis, algeria, morroco, spain. lost spain in 1492.

they want spain back, then your country is next

And the killing continues with rando and his peacefull chrisitan brothers.

http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/russia/chechnya/

ahh and yet he still think that his religion is more peacefull then islam or any one else. :(
you use 'chechnya' as an example, boy o boy, blind & brainwash, what a combo!

250'000 muslims men women and children killed by chrisitans of serbia and in kosovo and Radno still calls his religion peacefull. Wasn't milosivc and his army christians? I think that was a the worst massacare by christians in recent history but rando still talks about peacefull religion. Pretty sand how brain wahed rando has become. :o

http://hrw.org/doc/?t=europe_pub&c=bosher

brainwashed? me? nah, you have me beat by at least 3 washerfulls of laundry detergent.

but you are blind & deaf, tell us, just who came to the bosnians aide?
can you tell us?

would it be NATO?

you use 'chechnya' as an example, boy o boy, blind & brainwash, what a combo!


hah... you are funny one. So Human rights, red cross and oh well the whole world is wrong.....lol. Right on. When you can't argue the facts then why bother replying back?

brainwashed? me? nah, you have me beat by at least 3 washerfulls of laundry detergent.

but you are blind & deaf, tell us, just who came to the bosnians aide?
can you tell us?

would it be NATO?



oh look here you lost your mind or something. Nato? or not.....the FACT remains the same you and your kind commit atrocities and you can never deny that. But instead of admiting that how violent your religion's follower are you try to escape.......250000 is a big number and in recent history like in last 10 years....talking about barbarians and evil people. ahh.... who said who save them or not didn't they were follower of your peacefull religion who commited those crimes and you are here to cover them? ha your true face is showing up. :D

the 'beast', why that would be Mohammad, when he was tempted by satan with all the kingdoms of the earth, (& not knowing the diff between satan & Jabril, read satanic verses left out of sura 53), why Mohammad accepted. the rest is history, bloody history. Mohammad dies in 632, what do muslims do? why attempt to conquer the world; syria, iraq, persia, palestine, egypt, asia minor, lybia, tunis, algeria, morroco, spain. lost spain in 1492.

they want spain back, then your country is next


ever read the bible? :rolleyes: it will tell u what is the sign of beast. Might help you if you weren't that islamophobic. lol

Islam is not racist or violent.

Maybe a subset of Muslims might be racist and/or violent, but Islam itself is just a religion, hence an inanimate object.

I leave you to your daily ponderings.

Islam is not racist or violent.
in Hadith* vol. 1, No. 662, vol. 9, No. 256; Mohammad called blacks 'raisin heads', & if you have ever read history, pray tell, how exactly did isam make itself known to the world, say in 632 to 711 by the arabs? the Turks 900 A.D. and onwards? hmmm?

Maybe a subset of Muslims might be racist and/or violent, ask about slavery & "blackness" in Mauritania, Sudan, etc... , ask the Hindus about the 500 year jihad that they had to endure


but Islam itself is just a religion, hence an inanimate object. ahh!, but if encoded into it is the command to 'world domination', would it not show signs like 'nazism' or 'communism', to those not so inclined?


I leave you to your daily ponderings. so kind of you, :confused:

* from:
"Translation of the Meaning of Sahih Al-Bukhari" by Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan (Kazi Publications, Lahore, Pakistan, 1979)

Humanity itself is racist and violent. The propensity to be racist and violent exists in all human beings. It is our upbringing and environment that will have the ultimate say on whether we take that path or not. We are all racist and we are all violent to certain degrees. We all have racist and violent thoughts to a certain extent. We may deny it, but the truth remains that it is so, although for some members of humanity, they are in the extreme range of violence and racism. Religion is merely a screen for humanity to hide behind as an excuse for our racist and violent past and present.

Humanity itself is racist and violent. The propensity to be racist and violent exists in all human beings. It is our upbringing and environment
disagree, it is cultural, a learned behavior, look at pre-school kids raised together, huggy, huggy, lovey-dovey

love, peace

:)

disagree, it is cultural, a learned behavior, look at pre-school kids raised together, huggy, huggy, lovey-dovey

love, peace

:)
Ermmm had you continued the quote, you'd have seen that I also said that environment and upbringing that has a major say in whether we develop racist or violent tendencies:

It is our upbringing and environment that will have the ultimate say on whether we take that path or not.

I agree with you. It is a learned behaviour. It can be learned not just from family but from the environment and people we interact with and from any form of the media. But it is still possible for anyone to become extremelly racist or violent. The way I see it personally, we are all racist and violent to a certain extent. Some more than others. Most of the time the behaviour is so minor that it goes by unnoticed. But if any person is brought up and surrounded by an environment where such behaviour is the norm, it is to be expected that the individual may develop such tendencies themselves.

Ermmm had you continued the quote, you'd have seen that I also said that environment and upbringing that has a major say in whether we develop racist or violent tendencies:
did, but I disagree that it is even innate as a racist tendency. I do believe that that 'innate' sense is we see 'us' & 'other' at our baby-stage, to recognize 'mom', as opposed to the mean old lady that is going to cook you in the pot, with herbs & greens :eek:

In accordance with the hypocrisy on this board.
Let's see how the reaction is going to be to this thread.

When the global bloody facts speak for themselves on all non Muslims Dhimmis victims worldwide.

What are the actual news all about?

Another Mosque burning, another beheading from the 'religion of beheading', another homicide bombing, another disco bombing in Bali (or anywhere else) another beating to death for being a Christian, another parading with body parts, another wave (after the 2,000,000 are already dead) of enslavement and maiming by Fascistic Arab Muslim Sudan, another decapitation of tourists in the Philippines, another ethnic cleansing of Chinese in Indonesia, another crime on Maluku Islands, more atrocities from "modereate" Saudi Atabian apartheid against non Muslims, more torture against the copt.com Christians in Egypt, more discrimination against black non-Arab Egyptians, more torture of students and beheading by the Mullahs of Iran, more racist persecuting of the Berbers in Morocco, more violence from Algerian Arab Muslims one against each other, more violence in Southern Thailand, more threats of poison gas in the UK, more arrests in Singapore, more mass rape on Nigerian Christians, more killing of Christians by Albanians, More violence and crimes in the Netherland and France by (majority are of) Arab Muslim origin, More bloodshed by Chechen 'freedom fighters' coward criminals, more massacres against the Kurds in Syria the Monster, more bloodshed against Christian Lebanese by Arab Muslim Syrians Occpation, more Imams involved in profiting from Prostituion and <"holy"-sic> sex in Italy for Jihadi Terror, another "moderate" Mullah apologizing for 9/11 horror, another Islamo Arab march of dancing and smiling to the victims pain...

Of course Islamo Arabs are just "peaceful" 'freedom fighters', and Pigs fly too.

Kiwi,

I don't think it's the religion alone that results in violence. Simply put, people
have a choice on how they behave. Some choose to kill, others don't. I see
a couple of factors that contribute to Muslim Militants nowadays. The culture
and religion (to some degree) tend to associate people as being objects. This
is a problem as it has been witnessed in the U.S. that most (if not all) of
our Serial Killers grew up in environments that objectified people. I am not
entirely sure why, but associating people as objects is directly linked to
violent behaviors.

For Muslims, those whom come from good economic, educational, and environmental backgrounds probably will turn out just fine. Those who don't
are at risk, and today's media loves to publicize the works of such individuals.
Today's culture in say East Oakland California produces alot of inner-city
gang bangers (i.e. Oakland Militants). They tend to come from poor
economical, educational, and environmental backgrounds and have that
person=object association. They kill each other every day; however, it gets
no media attention (partly because it's geographically contained and old
news).

Kiwi,

I don't think it's the religion alone that results in violence. Simply put, people
have a choice on how they behave. Some choose to kill, others don't. I see
a couple of factors that contribute to Muslim Militants nowadays. The culture
and religion (to some degree) tend to associate people as being objects. .
it has a lot of entisments, like going directly to heaven if you die during jihad, quranic injunctions to kill the infidels, BTW, that's you & me, since I assume that you are a Westerner? which means you shuld be a dhimmi, 2nd class person in muslim eyes, sorry

it has a lot of entisments, like going directly to heaven if you die during jihad, quranic injunctions to kill the infidels, BTW, that's you & me, since I assume that you are a Westerner? which means you shuld be a dhimmi, 2nd class person in muslim eyes, sorry

Randolfo,

The enticements do exist; however, they are not a big part of of the Quran.
I think they may be powerful marketing materials for the uneducated.
Additionally, I have seen evidence that the Quran implies that those not of
your religion are sinners worthy of death; however, I have seen this same
implication in the Torah and Bible. All these religions have a nice cross section
of bloody history.

Anecdotally, I would assert that if education is improved, economics
equalized, focus put on healthy family relations, and religion eliminated then
the problem would become statistically negligible.

Just for example, I know (pardon the expression) an assload of Muslims,
Jews, and Christians. They all get along just fine and treat each other VERY
well (not as second class citizens). They all have the benefit of strong
education, economics, and healthy family relations. Thats simply not a
coincidence. I will share some differences that I have noticed.

Christians: ~50% of them will try to convert me.
Jews: ~10% of them will try to convert me.
Muslims: ~95% of them will try to convert me.

These are just approximations; however, these are one of the primary
behavioral differentiators I have noticed.

Randolfo,

The enticements do exist; however, they are not a big part of of the Quran.
I think they may be powerful marketing materials for the uneducated.
Additionally, I have seen evidence that the Quran implies that those not of
your religion are sinners worthy of death; however, I have seen this same
implication in the Torah and Bible. All these religions have a nice cross section
of bloody history.

Anecdotally, I would assert that if education is improved, economics
equalized, focus put on healthy family relations, and religion eliminated then
the problem would become statistically negligible.

Just for example, I know (pardon the expression) an assload of Muslims,
Jews, and Christians. They all get along just fine and treat each other VERY
well (not as second class citizens). They all have the benefit of strong
education, economics, and healthy family relations. Thats simply not a
coincidence. I will share some differences that I have noticed.

Christians: ~50% of them will try to convert me.
Jews: ~10% of them will try to convert me.
Muslims: ~95% of them will try to convert me.
These are just approximations; however, these are one of the primary
behavioral differentiators I have noticed.




Hello Cat,


Christians: ~50% of them will try to convert me.
Jews: ~10% of them will try to convert me.
Muslims: ~95% of them will try to convert me.



I find that interesting because the "crutch" of the Christian religion(at least as far as ive been told) is John 3:16:

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17


As opposed to Islam which states:

[29.46] And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit.


(followers of the book being christians and jews)

I am a muslim and have many muslim friends but have never tried to convert anyone to my cause because i know that i have to answer for myself not others when i die.....peace

Hello Cat,


Christians: ~50% of them will try to convert me.
Jews: ~10% of them will try to convert me.
Muslims: ~95% of them will try to convert me.



I find that interesting because the "crutch" of the Christian religion(at least as far as ive been told) is John 3:16:

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17


As opposed to Islam which states:

[29.46] And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit.


(followers of the book being christians and jews)

I am a muslim and have many muslim friends but have never tried to convert anyone to my cause because i know that i have to answer for myself not others when i die.....peace


Thanks for sharing that viewpoint. My observation is simply based on my
own experiences with individuals from all these religions. The statistics
are TRUE for those whom I have interacted with. Of course this is a very
small sampling of people whom prescribe to these religions in the U.S.

If I had known you in person, you would have affected that 95% statistic,
but not by alot.

Hello Cat,


Christians: ~50% of them will try to convert me.
Jews: ~10% of them will try to convert me.
Muslims: ~95% of them will try to convert me.

As opposed to Islam which states:

[29.46] And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit.


(followers of the book being christians and jews)

I am a muslim and have many muslim friends but have never tried to convert anyone to my cause because i know that i have to answer for myself not others when i die.....peace
so why do you dispute with the followers of the book, is it because you consider us acting "unjustly"?

CULTURE OF HATE

A racism which denies the history and sufferings of its victims.



At the dawn of the new millennium, the world is being confronted with an absolute culture of hate, characterized by paroxysms
of international terrorism against civilians, and religious intolerance. This culture of hate has multiple heads from Algeria to Afghanistan, to Indonesia, via Gaza and the West Bank, Damascus, Cairo, Khartoum, Teheran, and Karachi. It scatters the seed
of terrorism from one end of the earth to the other.

This hate, which suppresses freedom of thought, and condemns difference, calls itself Islamic Jihad. It draws on religious texts whose interpretation other Muslims dispute. Moreover, because these moderate Muslims challenge this interpretation of jihad, wishing to live in peace with the non-Muslim peoples and nations of the world, their lives are threatened. There is constant bloodshed in Algeria. Jihad is disseminating death and terror in Israel. In Southern Sudan, jihad has caused the death of some two million people, generated an even larger number of refugees, lead to the enslavement of tens of thousands, and produced deadly famines.

In Indonesia, some 200,000 deaths resulted from jihad violence in East Timor. Christians have been pursued, and massacred, and their churches burned down by jihadists in the Moluccas and other Indonesian islands. The death toll in these violent attacks is over 10,000, while an additional 8,000 Christians have been forcibly converted to Islam, including many who were circumcised. Atrocities are also being committed by jihadists in both the Philippines; and some northern Nigerian states. Hundreds of innocent people died when jihad struck at the Jewish Community Center of Buenos Aires in Argentina, and the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. In Egypt, jihadists have massacred Copts in their churches and villages, and murdered European tourists.
Christians in Pakistan and in Iran live in terror of accusations of blasphemy, which, if proven, can yield a death sentence. And a cataclysmic act of jihad terror resulted in the slaughter of nearly 3,000 innocent civilians of multiple faiths and nationalities in
New York, on September 11, 2001. None of these victims were guilty of any crime. They were murdered and mutilated out of hate.

It is this hate that Israel is fighting. The Durban World Conference Against Racism (where the culture of hate was rehabilitated,
not condemned) ended only three days before the jihad terror attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. When proposals were made condemning Zionism, this conference was encouraging jihad; the culture of the war against infidels, while ignoring the principles of freedom and human rights. This was negationist racism. The word Zion, which designates the land of Israel and its capital Jerusalem, exists in texts dating back almost three millennia. It was the Emperor Hadrian who first called the country Palestine in 135. In this Palestine, Arabic was not the common language, the Bible and not the Koran was taught, and the population was mainly Jewish. Palestine was colonized five centuries later by the Arab armies of the Islamic jihad. Many Jews were massacred at that time, others deported to Arabia as slaves, the whole population expropriated and reduced to the condition of dhimmis, as were all indigenous Jews and Christians in the south Mediterranean countries conquered by jihad, including those
in many European countries.

Should these countries conquered by Islam (Portugal, Spain, Sardinia, Sicily, Crete, and the southern regions of France and Italy,
for example) still be considered Arab Muslim lands? Turkish jihad conquests imposed the sharia as far north as Hungary and southern Greece, former Yugoslavia, Romania, and Bulgaria, until the end of the 19th century. Are those countries also to be identified as Muslim lands, in which non-Muslim inhabitants must return to the condition of dhimmis, whose testimony
concerning Muslims is rejected by Islamic courts? Will they again be required to don discriminatory garments such as the Taliban demanded of the Hindus, or be subject to the continuing prohibition on building and renovating their churches, like the Copts in Egypt?

If the liberation movement of the Jews in their ancestral homeland is interpreted as racism, then all the movements of liberation from expropriation and servitude imposed by jihad are racist. Such a stance reinstates the imperialism of the Islamic jihad, which has claimed millions of victims over three continents during more than a millennuim, deported an incalculable number of slaves,
and annihilated entire peoples, destroying their history, their monuments, and their culture. Have the Copts of Egypt a right to their history and their language? Do the Kabili of North Africa have a right to theirs? We must acknowledge all the victims of the racism that jihad creates, a racism which denies the history, sufferings, and memories of those conquered.

Arab racism consists of calling the Land of Israel, Arab land, whereas no Palestinian province, village, or town, including Jerusalem is mentioned either in the Koran or in any Arabic text before the end of the ninth century. On the contrary, these locations are mentioned in the Hebrew Bible; which represents the religious and historical heritage of the Jewish people. The Bible, which tells the history of this country, tells it in Hebrew, the language of the country, and not in Arabic. Palestinian racism consists of asserting that the whole history of Israel, biblical history, is Arab, Islamic, and Palestinian history. The kings and prophets of Israel were Arab, Palestinian, and Muslim kings and prophets, as were Jesus, his family, and the apostles. This Arabization and Islamization of the Bible thus robs not only the Jews but also the whole of Christianity of their history. New theologies of substitution are developed, transferring Israeli heritage to Arab and Muslim Palestine.

The imperialism of jihad consists of appropriating the whole history and identity of the peoples who were conquered and thrown into the nonexistence of dhimmitude. This is a total negation of the other, a refusal to acknowledge him as an equal. The Israeli battle is not a battle of colonists, as some European political circles like to claim, because Europe itself had a colonial history on
all continents, which it projects on to Israel. Similarly, Europe projects its own history of Nazism on to the Israelis, thereby revenging itself on the revelations of historians. The Israeli battle is not a battle against the Muslim world, it is a battle against the unbridled hate of jihad. Israelis are struggling to maintain their liberation from the yoke of dhimmitude, which was imposed in
order to eradicate the Jews in their indigenous homeland. That is why Christians who reject the new theologies of substitution are joining Israel in its fight, as are Muslims who refuse to allow the values of Islam to be perverted by the ideology of jihad. It is through this common effort that reconciliation between peoples can be achieved, replacing the culture of hate with a culture of friendship.

http://www.internationalwallofprayer.org/A-067-Culture-of-Hate.html

[QUOTE=Randolfo]

You missed the rest of the thread? or you are just pretending to be dumb? Just curious.

http://www.flattosharon.co.il/IslamMap/IslamMapEnglish.jpg

[QUOTE=Randolfo]

You missed the rest of the thread? or you are just pretending to be dumb? Just curious.
ahh, wake me up, what are you talking about?
BTW, you forgot to copy my quote, that you're responding to or whatever?
what are you going on about, do I personally have to respond to every thread that's posted? do you think I'm a troll or something? hey, let everybody have a chance

BTW, I'm not a college student, that I can afford to spend endless hours in front of the comp, only get that chance when I have time off, smiles & kisses

You missed the rest of the thread? or you are just pretending to be dumb? Just curious.
skywalker, you missed the point of this thread, is islam violent & racist? can you answer that in the negative? do non-muslims get treated fairly & equally in dar-al-islam? or do we get the dhimmi treatment? so how well are Copts treated in Egypt, or christians the Sudan or Indonesia? or how about Hindus in Mohgol Inda?

be honest, at least to yourself, no 'al-taqiyya'

What drives me crazy about your campaign against islam randolfo isn't that you point out it's flaws because they are many and deserve to be looked at, it's that you really don't seem to realize that christianity has similar flaws.

I'd think the way leaders have manipulated and twisted christianity throughout history to maintain their dominance show pretty clearly that most faiths can be misused.