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  1. mikasa11 Registered Senior Member

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    Is Iraq a Vietnam? NO!
    Murderous Marxist Che Guevara said "Two, Three Many Vietnams" and that's what the anti-American war protesters are up to.
    * Code Pink has contributed at least $600,000 to the treacherous rebels who are blowing up innocent Iraqi children and adults as well as Iraqi and U.S. soldiers. This group is absolutely an enemy of the United States of America and it is supported by God-hating Communists who are seeking to demoralize America, seize all private guns and property and have the United Nations rule America.
    * A.N.S.W.E.R. is a front organization for many groups including the American Communist Party. If you think these people are harmless 'peace-seekers' please study them and realize they are among the anti-God militants pushing to empower the State and steal your rights--and property.
    * Greenpeace and 'Greens' are sometimes well-meaning but misguided people--using environmental issues as a cover for Marxist land seizures, thwarting private enterprise and causing the cost of oil, housing and much more to skyrocket far higher than would otherwise be necessary.
    The 'religious groups' that are calling for 'peace' are actually warmongering Israel-haters and America-haters, wolves in sheep's clothing. These anti-God frauds are the ones who cry "Peace, Peace but there is no peace."
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    If you want to get involved in your world and not just wonder what happened to your freedoms, get involved--and please pass this email on to everyone else on. Ten million Iraqis are free and have voted. Afghanistan has had its first election in 5,000 years and women all through the Mideast have new hope of freedom, education and true equality as a result of America's standing up against tyranny and fighting BACK against the warmongers who attacked our Twin Towers on 9/11 -- and well as many other attacks.
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  3. Hagar Registered Senior Member

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    And you are not hysterical.
     
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  5. Mr.Jack4WAR Hating the Hated Registered Senior Member

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    mikasa, did your political awareness change in the last week that i have visited this site?
    for once, you are not bitching out bush...its almost as if... you found new and fresher topics!!!!!!!!
     
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  7. alain du hast mich Registered Senior Member

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    i hear you brother mikasa
    War is Peace, Ignorance is Strength, Freedom is Slavery

    death to the communists, how dare they desire complete equality?

    "anti-American war protesters"
    no, they are anti-war, not anti-american

    "treacherous rebels who are blowing up innocent Iraqi children and adults as well as Iraqi and U.S. soldiers."
    counter rebels, i think you will find. Sadam housain was the country's leader, there is a war against his government by the US, any iraqi who fights on the side of America is a rebel, any who fights against the rebels/america is a loyalist. Secondly, the Americans have killed more iraqi children and adults then sadams supporters (per day, not in total)

    "God-hating Communists"
    communism is a political idealogy, it is completely unrelated to religion

    "who are seeking to demoralize America, seize all private guns and property and have the United Nations rule America."
    America has been thuroughly demoralised by the bush government's constant terrorist warning alerts. how is it possible to seize all private guns. more would be made? you arent even being logical now. communists believe that property cannot be owned, which would make it VERY hard for them to seize any land, would it not? the united nations does not seek to rule any country, it seeks merely to prevent war, violence, torture, destruction of environment. what could be wrong with that?

    "anti-God militants pushing to empower the State and steal your rights--and property."
    once again, communism and religion are unrelated, communism relies on the hope that one day the state will wither away (ie become less power, not more powerful) once there is no state, there is no-one that can steal your rights, and as i said before, communists do not believe in owning property, therefore they cannot steal your property, can they?

    "using environmental issues as a cover for Marxist land seizures" please provide one example of when the greens politcial party, or the greenpeace movement have seized land. also, please explain how an organisation that will not use violence, and does not have the backing of the police intends to sieze land? once again, karl marx was against land seizures, believing that land cannot be owned

    "thwarting private enterprise" only those private enterprises that damage the environment more then is neccesary. even so, the fact the you support private enterprise leads me to believe that you are not as pro american as you appear

    "and causing the cost of oil, housing and much more to skyrocket far higher than would otherwise be necessary."
    no, it was the war in iraq that caused the price of oil to skyrocket

    "The 'religious groups' that are calling for 'peace' are actually warmongering"
    pardon?

    "The 'religious groups' (blah blah blah). These anti-God frauds"
    so they are religious anti-God frauds. are you merely saying that they are anti the christian god?

    "fighting BACK against the warmongers who attacked our Twin Towers on 9/11 -- and well as many other attacks." no, the Alquieda attacked the twin towers, sadam huesein didn't. also, the only two times America has been attacked were the twin towers, and once during WW2

    peace
     
  8. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Iraq is so another Vietnam, and slandering those who speak the truth is just another way of burying your head in the sand, so you don't have to realize that we are under the control of a delusional administration. Their poll numbers support the notion that people are waking up to this. And Dan Rather was right, despite Rove planted documents. Everyone knows Bush avoided his National Guard duty, no one would expect anything less of a spoiled rich kid like him. It only mattered because Bush was up against a genuine war veteran.
     
  9. mikasa11 Registered Senior Member

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    Bush was in the national guard so he didn't have to serve in iraq, and yes he did skip his duties; And yes he did make up lies about kerry's honorable service in Vietnam; And yes he did lie (and still is)about the reason's why we're in Iraq. But it is by no means another Vietnam. Parts can be compared on a much smaller scale, but it is NO VIETNAM!
     
  10. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Well,
    Here are some of the largely ignored parallels:

    l. Both wars were illegal acts of pre-emptive aggression unsanctioned by international law or world opinion. Earlier, U.S. interventions involved successive US administrations. JFK's CIA helped put Saddam in power, Reagan armed him to fight Iran. George Bush, 41 led the first Gulf War against him. Clinton tightened sanctions. George Bush, 43 invaded again. Five Administrations--Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon and Ford fought in Vietnam.

    2. Both wars were launched with deception. In Iraq it was the now proven phony WMD threat and contrived Saddam-Osama connection. In Vietnam, it was the fabricated Gulf of Tonkin incident and the elections mandated by the Geneva agreement that were canceled by Washington in l956 when the US feared Ho Chi Minh would win.

    3. The government lied regularly in both wars. Back then, the lies were pronounced a "credibility gap." Today, they are considered acceptable "information warfare." In Saigon military briefers conducted discredited "5 O'Clock Follies" press conferences. In this war, the Pentagon spoon-fed info at a Hollywood style briefing center in Doha.

    4. The US press was initially an enthusiastic cheerleader in both wars. When Vietnam protest grew and the war seen as a lost cause, the media frame changed. In Iraq today most of the media is trapped in hotel rooms. Only one side is covered now whereas in Vietnam, there was more reporting occasionally from the other. In Vietnam, the accent was on progress and "turned corners." The same is true in Iraq.

    5. In both wars, prisoners were abused. In South Vietnam, thousands of captives were tortured in what were the called "tiger cages." Vietnamese POWs were often killed; In North Vietnam, some US POWs were abused after bombing civilians. In Iraq, POWs on both sides were also mistreated. It was US soldiers that first leaked major war crimes and abuses. In Vietnam, Ron Ridenour disclosed the My Lai Massacre. In Iraq, it was a soldier who first told investigators about the torture in Abu Ghraib prison. (Seymour Hersh the reporter who exposed My-Lai in Vietnam later exposed illegal abuses in Iraq.)

    6. Illegal weapons were "deployed" in both wars. The US dropped napalm, used cluster bombs against civilians and sprayed toxic agent orange in Vietnam. Cluster bombs and updated Mark 77 napalm-like firebombs were dropped on Iraqis. Depleted uranium was added to the arsenal of prohibited weapons in Iraq.

    7. Both wars claimed to be about promoting democracy. Vietnam staged elections and saw a succession of governments controlled by the US. come and go. Iraq has had one election so far in which most voters say they were casting ballots primarily to get the US to leave. The US has stage-managed Iraq's interim government. Exiles were brought back and put in power. Vietnam's Diem came from New Jersey, Iraq's Allawi from Britain.

    8. Both wars claimed to be about noble international goals. Vietnam was pictured as a crusade against aggressive communism and falling dominos. Iraq was sold as a front in a global war on terrorism. Neither claim proved true.

    9. An imperial drive for resource control and markets helped drive both interventions. Vietnam had rubber and manganese and rare minerals. Iraq has oil. In both wars, any economic agenda was officially denied and ignored by most media outlets.

    10. Both wars took place in countries with cultures we never understood or spoke the language, Both involved "insurgents" whose military prowess was underestimated and misrepresented. In Vietnam, we called the "enemy" communists; in Iraq we call them foreign terrorists. (Soldiers had their own terms, "gooks" in Vietnam, "ragheads" in Iraq) In both counties, they was in fact an indigenous resistance that enjoyed popular support. (Both targeted and brutalized people they considered collaborators with the invaders just as our own Revolution went after Americans who backed the British.) In both wars, as in all wars, innocent civilians died in droves.

    11. In both countries the US promised to help rebuild the damages caused by US bombing. In Vietnam, a $2 Billion presidential reconstruction pledge was not honored. In Iraq, the electricity and other services are still out in many areas. In both wars US companies and suppliers have profited handsomely; Brown &Root in Vietnam; Halliburton in Iraq, to cite but two.

    12. In Vietnam, the Pentagon's counter-insurgency effort failed to "pacify" the countryside even with a half a million US soldiers "in country." The insurgency in Iraq is growing despite the best efforts of US soldiers. More have died since President Bush proclaimed "mission accomplished" than during the invasion.

    from:
    http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0501-32.htm
     
  11. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

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    Hey, don't forget the coincidences of Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, and George H.W. Bush having parts in both Vietnam and Iraq. Not to mention Wolfowitz being the one to create a story about plutonium and whatnot with both Vietnam and Iraq. Also there was information fixing in both Vietnam and Iraq to create reasons to invade ala Downing Street style. Funny how all of this happens in the exact same ways when those guys are in charge.

    Yep yep, history does repeat itself and most people are too dumb to notice with the "oh it'll never happen [again]" type attitudes.

    - N
     
  12. kenworth dude...**** it,lets go bowling Registered Senior Member

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    "Greenpeace and 'Greens' are sometimes well-meaning but misguided people--using environmental issues as a cover for Marxist land seizures, thwarting private enterprise and causing the cost of oil, housing and much more to skyrocket far higher than would otherwise be necessary."


    ahhh so its greenpeace's fault that oil prices are sky rocketing?thanks for clearing that up
     
  13. DeeCee Valued Senior Member

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    Iraq is not Vietnam it's Iraq.
    But that fact should offer no comfort.

    Like the first post though.
    Good to show this sort of stuff to the rest of the world.
    Does a better job than Fox news. A glimpse at Americas underbelly so to speak.

    Dee Cee
     
  14. mountainhare Banned Banned

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    mikisa:
    Yeah, you just keep telling yourself that, and eventually you might believe it.

    A phrase keeps popping into my head whenever I think of Vietnam or Iraq...
    "Flies conquer another 200 miles of flypaper! We are the conquerers, but we are afraid. We are the conquerers, but we are surrounded! "

    One very strong comparison between Iraq and Vietnam is that the Americans in both wars thought that they would be welcomed as heroes by the indigenous population. In both wars, they got a nasty surprise.
     
  15. crazy151drinker Registered Senior Member

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    "Bush was in the national guard so he didn't have to serve in iraq"
    Huh??

    "6. Illegal weapons were "deployed" in both wars. The US dropped napalm, used cluster bombs against civilians and sprayed toxic agent orange in Vietnam. Cluster bombs and updated Mark 77 napalm-like firebombs were dropped on Iraqis. Depleted uranium was added to the arsenal of prohibited weapons in Iraq."

    Since when was Napalm illegal? We intentionally firebombed Japanese residential areas in WWII- do you have proof/are you claiming, that we intentionally used cluster bombs on Civilians?? I can tell you that we do not use Cluster bombs in Residential areas. 1) There is no point- they are used for mass infantry and armor columns and 2) The Civilian casualites would be to high. Where do you guys come up with this nonsense?? Do you have any idea how much money we spend so we DONT hit civilians?? Good Lord, it would be far cheaper and easier to fire up the B-52s and carpet bomb every city into oblivion.

    And dont even bring up DU. The amount of DU used in Iraq would fit in an 8x8x8 foot cube.
     
  16. crazy151drinker Registered Senior Member

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    Being that we never invaded the North and instead sat on our asses in a Bullshit defensive posture- Can you please explain how Vietnam is Militarily similar to Iraq?

    Vietnam was a war run by Politicians (who quite frankly dont know shit about war). Vietnam was such a clusterfuck because every politician in power was more concerned about appeasing the hippies and getting re-elected. Lets not forget that the almighty JFK himself started that war. At least he would have finished it....(well I hope, that whole bay of pigs thing was pretty bad...)

    Lets see, Panama was supposed to turn into Vietnam. Bosnia was going to be Vietnam/WWIII, first Gulf War was supposed to turn into Vietnam...yadda yadda yadda

    Todays Military is COMPLETELY different fromt the Vietnam era. When will you people understand that??
     

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