Last night, my wife and I were listening to black metal music. We got to talking about the satanic messages that it conveys a lot of times. During our conversation, I said that I couldn't understand why someone would be satanic, knowing the pain and suffering they would incur in hell. She pointed out that because I was raised Christian, I was still looking at hell from their viewpoint. She used to know a few satanists and they explained it to her. Apparently, hell is viewed as a place where a person can do anything they want, not as a place "hell" Thinking about it, we do always view it from a Christian viewpoint, not from a non-religious ideology.

Many modern "Satanists", moreover LeVayian Satanists, are more like Atheists. They do not believe in heaven or hell. Nor do they believe in a literal God or Satan. To many, God and Satan are merely concepts which represent the human characteristics of certain behavior. I am not a Satanist or Christian, but I have done some research on the subject.

.... She used to know a few satanists and they explained it to her. Apparently, hell is viewed as a place where a person can do anything they want, ...[/quotre]

Now doesn't that sound like heaven to you? To do anything that you want? How could that be viewed as any kind of "hell"?

[QUOTE=Mickmeister;1592090]...., we do always view it from a Christian viewpoint, not from a non-religious ideology.

First, who is "we"? Second, there's billions of people on Earth, and my guess is that most of them have varying ideas about heaven and hell. "We" view heaven and hell from a Christian viewpoint, but others might not. The "we" is a difficult thing to grasp.

Baron Max

Perhaps the most widely held perspective of hell is of a place where one is punished for eternity through pain and torture. This perspective has been enforced by many evangelists over the centuries as a means to recruit more members to Christianity.

A number of threads here have attempted to explore what the bible says about hell and there have been few conclusions. Even the definition of hell is controversial.

The one I rememebr the best is from Revelations that talks about two deaths where the first is hell and here it means the grave where everyone goes at first whether you are good or bad. The second death occurs after judgement and is where your soul is cast into the lake of fire. This concept is often confused with hell (the grave) and the terms have become interchangable.

But there is further confusion where the bible is unclear. Is the soul destroyed by the lake of fire or does it continue to survive but suffers eternal torment? In the gospels the implication is that if you want to achieve eternal life then you must believe in the savior Jesus, the alternative of course is that you will cease to exist, but revelation talks about eternal torture.

As for Satan I have seen many interpretations for this character. A popular view, and largely unsupported by the bible has him as the king of hell where he is the torturer. But in revelations both Satan and death are cast into the lake of fire implying that satan is destroyed along with all those who deny Jesus as their savior.

In real life why would someone follow satanist ideas? I guess it depends on how one wants to define satanism. There is at least one cult of satanists who follow hedonistic ideals, i.e. personal pleasure is paramount. But it is certainly not about doing harm to others but about being honest with oneself.

But the most common pespective is that satanists worship the devil and are only interested in doing evil. I'm not entirely sure what satisfaction can be derived by sane people by doing that and following such beliefs.

Thinking about it, we do always view it from a Christian viewpoint, not from a non-religious ideology.

Not necessarily. Myself, I'm not religious, but I have investigated various religions and philosophies.

To me, hell is simply the worst-case scenario I can think of, and this is independent of an individual religion.

Also, to be noted that one person's idea of hell might be some other person's idea of heaven, and vice versa. For example, the way many Christians describe heaven - to me, their heaven would be my hell.

Hell is an invention for the mere purpose of scaring people; most ignorantly scared people do anything they are told in order to "avoid the threat", somehow like programmed zombies.

It is like God is saying: "Do what I say or I´ll send you to eternal suffering, but I love you".

According to the same source of the concept of "hell", God is love, and how can love send you to eternal hell because of some temporary stupid shit you did? That is some idiot-proof logic right there.

Hell is just a perverted creation from the teachings of reincarnation, because life is a set of insatisfactory circumstances (hell). But the thing is, each of us is an architect of our own life, meaning most people create their own hells on Earth.

Nope. Hell is Hell and all those who do not accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior are going there. Except the Jews. They're God's chosen people. I'm leaving them alone.

God's a real bastard. Why should I think of such a thing as moral?

:confused:

You know, humans have been around for 250 million years or so, the Earth for about 4 billion, and 2,000 years ago before the printing press, God sends his means of redemption to a small backwater of the Roman empire, and intends to torture anyone for all eternity who doesn't accept this act of vicarious redemption? Sounds basically unfair and immoral to me.

Nope. Hell is Hell and all those who do not accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior are going there. Except the Jews. They're God's chosen people. I'm leaving them alone.

I believe Jesus was an enlightened master, who being misunderstood by the ignorant "religious people" was crucified by them. Basically the same type of judgemental religious people still exist under the disguise of Christianity and every other religion for that matter.
I believe that the people who go to church are just going for other people to see them, not because they want to go and "talk to God", they don´t even trust in God; if they trusted God there wouldn´t be a reason for going to church in the first place. They are just frightened of going to hell and from the device that is fear, they are manipulated.
I believe that churches are just what Jesus was all against, saying that the only real temple is not made of stone and wood, but of flesh and bones. I believe that you can talk to God by yourself, without the need of a "fake intermediary", and even without the need for words. Just the feelings of gratitude and love are some of the most true prayers of all.

Am I going to hell?

I believe Jesus was an enlightened master, who being misunderstood by the ignorant "religious people" was crucified by them. Basically the same type of judgemental religious people still exist under the disguise of Christianity and every other religion for that matter.
I believe that the people who go to church are just going for other people to see them, not because they want to go and "talk to God", they don´t even trust in God; if they trusted God there wouldn´t be a reason for going to church in the first place. They are just frightened of going to hell and from the device that is fear, they are manipulated.
I believe that churches are just what Jesus was all against, saying that the only real temple is not made of stone and wood, but of flesh and bones. I believe that you can talk to God by yourself, without the need of a "fake intermediary", and even without the need for words. Just the feelings of gratitude and love are some of the most true prayers of all.

Am I going to hell?

if hell does exist, we'll get to party together! lol

We have been created diseased, by a capricious despot, and then abruptly commanded to be whole and well, on pain of terror and torture. That sick joke is one that we can cease to find impressive, that belongs in the infancy of our species, and gives a false picture of reality that we would do well to outgrow.

Christopher Hitchens

I believe Jesus was an enlightened master, who being misunderstood by the ignorant "religious people" was crucified by them. Basically the same type of judgemental religious people still exist under the disguise of Christianity and every other religion for that matter.
I believe that the people who go to church are just going for other people to see them, not because they want to go and "talk to God", they don´t even trust in God; if they trusted God there wouldn´t be a reason for going to church in the first place. They are just frightened of going to hell and from the device that is fear, they are manipulated.
I believe that churches are just what Jesus was all against, saying that the only real temple is not made of stone and wood, but of flesh and bones. I believe that you can talk to God by yourself, without the need of a "fake intermediary", and even without the need for words. Just the feelings of gratitude and love are some of the most true prayers of all.

Am I going to hell?

Yes. If you don't get saved before you die. :eek:
And it's NO party. :eek:

You're a scared little monkey.

Yes. If you don't get saved before you die. :eek:
And it's NO party. :eek:

Sorry Sandy, no scare tactics can convince me of a religious belief that I do not personally feel as valid.

You're a scared little monkey.

I'm not scared. I fear nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Faith is not fear.

I'm not scared. I fear nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Faith is not fear.

Then stop trying to scare non-christians with the idea of a hell. Just because that is what YOU believe, it may not be what everyone else believes. Let people have thier OWN religious freedoms.

This is a thread about Hell. I'm just presenting the facts.

This is a thread about Hell. I'm just presenting the facts.

Negative, your presenting the opinions rooted in your religious structure as fact when they are, in fact, not.

Yes, they are fact. You choose not to believe them. Your choice. Big mistake.

Yes, they are fact. You choose not to believe them. Your choice. Big mistake.

Sigh, ok. Fine, if they are fact, please present me hard scientific evidence. Then I will believe you.

Ya know what, its not even worth trying to discuss this with someone who refused to acknowledge an existence outside of a religious text.

Sandy, this discussion is held atleast once a day here on SF. And yet we continue to butt heads. When will the world move past our ideological differences and just accept me as I would accept you?

I have no hard scientific evidence. Jesus Christ is about faith, not science.
Show me love. You can't. It's a feeling.
Show me air. You can't.
Show me compassion. You can't. It's an emotion.

You make your own choices. Just don't be surprised when you are left behind.

Hell is REAL, it is generated by anger, fear, sorrow, sin, and other destructive thought-energy (karma). Upon death if one has the thought-energy (karma) leading towards hell, then verily they shall wind up in the hellish universe, and enter into this universe generated by their own thought-energy (karma)

The foolish, unable to understand how hell, heaven, etc...can exist say "Well it doesn't seem like hell exists, so it must be false", such fools, because they cannot comprehend how it can exist doubt develops in their minds, wanting to ease and destroy the doubt seeded in their minds they say "it must be fictional" only to prevent the doubting feeling from arising, not in seeking the truth. Only after the many-worlds and many-minds interpretation are proven true will they even consider it.

Truthfully, faith in Jesus prevents this, but also faith in Buddha, Krishna, or any other perfected being, sincere faith guarantees ensures that you can never wind up in hell, also doing pure good deeds guarantees it...

"A run-of-the-mill person having stayed there, having used up all the life-span of those devas, goes to hell, to the animal womb, to the state of the hungry shades. But a disciple of the Blessed One, having stayed there, having used up all the life-span of those devas, is unbound right in that state of being. This, monks, is the difference, this the distinction, this the distinguishing factor, between an educated disciple of the noble ones and an uneducated run-of-the-mill person, when there is a destination, a reappearing" - Gautama Buddha

But see, thats what Im trying to say... The question of whether hell does or does not exist in any shape, form, or function cannot be answered through scientific analysis. I am not saying hell does not exist, I am not saying it does exist. I am simply stating that because I have no evidence or reason to believe that it does exist, I choose to believe that it does not exist until I can be proven otherwise.

Hell is REAL, it is generated by anger, fear, sorrow, sin, and other destructive thought-energy (karma). You seem to get very angry with atheists VitalOne. Does this concern you? You might be adding to hell.

I have no hard scientific evidence. Jesus Christ is about faith, not science.
Show me love. You can't. It's a feeling.
Show me air. You can't.
Show me compassion. You can't. It's an emotion.

You make your own choices. Just don't be surprised when you are left behind.

I can show you chemicals in the brain that produce the feelings of love and compassion. I can show you the right tools so that you can see air... throw up sand, when it falls, what is it passing through? Jesus Christ has not been scientifically proven.

You seem to get very angry with atheists VitalOne. Does this concern you? You might be adding to hell.

Well yeah, but because I have a higher dhyana I can easily exhaust the bad karma in a few seconds, where as an ordinary person, not having any dhyana, not having any faith, unable to control their impulses, thoughts, feelings, etc...will be unable to exhaust the bad karma, it will remain in them

Although you're right I should stop it...though I wish everyone would control their impulses, it would benefit all

Last night, my wife and I were listening to black metal music. We got to talking about the satanic messages that it conveys a lot of times. During our conversation, I said that I couldn't understand why someone would be satanic, knowing the pain and suffering they would incur in hell. She pointed out that because I was raised Christian, I was still looking at hell from their viewpoint. She used to know a few satanists and they explained it to her. Apparently, hell is viewed as a place where a person can do anything they want, not as a place "hell" Thinking about it, we do always view it from a Christian viewpoint, not from a non-religious ideology.

The young sometimes find prefer reversing social norms for the rebelious spirit involve...especially in teens. Bucking authority is part of youth as we seek a firmer grasp of who we are. Mostly likely most are not considering the consequences of their actions from getting involved i spiritism. It can also be called a lack of basic bible appreciation and knowledge which is a common reality throughout the world.

Well yeah, but because I have a higher dhyana I can easily exhaust the bad karma in a few seconds, where as an ordinary person, not having any dhyana, not having any faith, unable to control their impulses, thoughts, feelings, etc...will be unable to exhaust the bad karma, it will remain in them

What if one has faith in a different belief system other than Christianity? Does the same rule apply to karma, in your opinion?

Hell is REAL, it is generated by anger, fear, sorrow, sin, and other destructive thought-energy (karma). Upon death if one has the thought-energy (karma) leading towards hell, then verily they shall wind up in the hellish universe, and enter into this universe generated by their own thought-energy (karma)

This seems to be the overall concensus of hundreds of cases of Near Death Experiences that I have read.
If your spirituality is low you are naturally attracted to a "hell-like "state but it's not eternal as some dogma in religion dictates. There is always a chance to move to the higher spiritual realms once you realize the error of your ways,even if that takes a long stretch of time.
If you have practiced good selfless acts in your life and shown unconditional love your spiritual vibrations will be high and will only allow you to fit into a heavenly realm that accomodates such.




Truthfully, faith in Jesus prevents this, but also faith in Buddha, Krishna, or any other perfected being, sincere faith guarantees ensures that you can never wind up in hell, also doing pure good deeds guarantees it...



I would not agree it's a literal belief in the person themselves (the last thing I believe Jesus wanted was a personality cult built up around him) but rather a faith in the "essence" of what these enlightened masters represented. That essence being attaining what they had ..total communion with God.
As one person who had an NDE claimed: When he asked the being of light (God) what was the best religion to follow ,the answer was "whatever one brings you closest to God".

Yes, they are fact. You choose not to believe them. Your choice. Big mistake.

And we should take for granted that you know better than we do, right?

Can't you see how manipulatively you communicate? You speak in a manner where you create a situation where the audience simply has to take for granted that you know better than them. If they don't, they receive your scorn.

Yes. If you don't get saved before you die. :eek:
And it's NO party. :eek:

Who told you that?

Well yeah, but because I have a higher dhyana I can easily exhaust the bad karma in a few seconds, where as an ordinary person, not having any dhyana, not having any faith, unable to control their impulses, thoughts, feelings, etc...will be unable to exhaust the bad karma, it will remain in them.

First, I get the impression you are using the word "dhyana" in the same context as "faith", and that is a big falacy dude.
"Dhyana" is powerfull, very Zen, no faith required, it is just one going with the flow of nature, just like not trying to swim against the current of the river of life within yourself, it is meditation. And you are right, "dhyana" is the only way of exhausting one´s bad karma, but it is not a goal, it is not an action. It is movement in repose, it is awareness.
Just by the fact of "controlling" one´s natural impulses is going against the flow of your inner reality, it is not dhyana; dhyana transcends impulses, because it is a state of non-desire. The only way to practice meditation is if you do it just for meditation´s sake, not for achieving any goal, that is dhyana.
If you want to put faith in the equation, it is wrong, because faith is an action, you have faith that something will happen, therefore it is not dhyana. Dhyana is the goal and the device together.

Although you're right I should stop it...though I wish everyone would control their impulses, it would benefit all

When a person is true, he speaks like a flower releases its fraguance... The flower don´t say: "Although you're right I should stop it, I will not release any fraguance no more". That is a fake flower my friend, a plastic flower.

First, I get the impression you are using the word "dhyana" in the same context as "faith", and that is a big falacy dude.
"Dhyana" is powerfull, very Zen, no faith required, it is just one going with the flow of nature, just like not trying to swim against the current of the river of life within yourself, it is meditation. And you are right, "dhyana" is the only way of exhausting one´s bad karma, but it is not a goal, it is not an action. It is movement in repose, it is awareness.
Just by the fact of "controlling" one´s natural impulses is going against the flow of your inner reality, it is not dhyana; dhyana transcends impulses, because it is a state of non-desire. The only way to practice meditation is if you do it just for meditation´s sake, not for achieving any goal, that is dhyana.
If you want to put faith in the equation, it is wrong, because faith is an action, you have faith that something will happen, therefore it is not dhyana. Dhyana is the goal and the device together.
I'm not talking about faith...man you keep twisting my words, I mean dhyana as in concentration, mental control :rolleyes:, you don't know wtf you're talking about man, you speak out of your own material nature, not out of the truth, "What just seems true" or "what you heard was true"

As for controlling impulses, you also lack understanding, if one controls their impulses, the controller is different from the impulses, they are not forcing anything like you falsely believe and going against anything, for instance if out of anger I controlled my impulses then it would be a contradiction, since anger is an impulse

Even Gautama Buddha agrees:
"Now, a trifling evil deed done by what sort of individual takes him to hell? There is the case where a certain individual is undeveloped in [contemplating] the body, undeveloped in virtue, undeveloped in mind, undeveloped in discernment: restricted, small-hearted, dwelling with suffering. A trifling evil deed done by this sort of individual takes him to hell.

"Now, a trifling evil deed done by what sort of individual is experienced in the here & now, and for the most part barely appears for a moment? There is the case where a certain individual is developed in [contemplating] the body, developed in virtue, developed in mind, developed in discernment: unrestricted, large-hearted, dwelling with the immeasurable.1 A trifling evil deed done by this sort of individual is experienced in the here & now, and for the most part barely appears for a moment" (Lonaphala Sutta)



When a person is true, he speaks like a flower releases its fraguance... The flower don´t say: "Although you're right I should stop it, I will not release any fraguance no more". That is a fake flower my friend, a plastic flower.
ROFL...a flower releasing its fragrance?

Although the mode of goodness is good, the goal is to go beyond material nature transcending all modes, your mind is still trapped in duality, thinking in terms of good and bad, this and that, such foolishness does not lead towards the truth, instead of seeing this as they are you see things as you desire them to be

I'm not talking about faith...man you keep twisting my words, I mean dhyana as in concentration, mental control :rolleyes:, you don't know wtf you're talking about man, you speak out of your own material nature, not out of the truth, "What just seems true" or "what you heard was true"

As for controlling impulses, you also lack understanding, if one controls their impulses, the controller is different from the impulses, they are not forcing anything like you falsely believe and going against anything, for instance if out of anger I controlled my impulses then it would be a contradiction, since anger is an impulse

Even Gautama Buddha agrees:
"Now, a trifling evil deed done by what sort of individual takes him to hell? There is the case where a certain individual is undeveloped in [contemplating] the body, undeveloped in virtue, undeveloped in mind, undeveloped in discernment: restricted, small-hearted, dwelling with suffering. A trifling evil deed done by this sort of individual takes him to hell.

"Now, a trifling evil deed done by what sort of individual is experienced in the here & now, and for the most part barely appears for a moment? There is the case where a certain individual is developed in [contemplating] the body, developed in virtue, developed in mind, developed in discernment: unrestricted, large-hearted, dwelling with the immeasurable.1 A trifling evil deed done by this sort of individual is experienced in the here & now, and for the most part barely appears for a moment" (Lonaphala Sutta)

I´m beggining to see that everybody "twists" your words Vital.

Those things are no way of achieving anything, but illusions of the mind. What the Sutras are describing is a man who has become like that, he transcends duality because he is true to himself. Not a man who trascended duality because of that description.

ROFL...a flower releasing its fragrance?

Although the mode of goodness is good, the goal is to go beyond material nature transcending all modes, your mind is still trapped in duality, thinking in terms of good and bad, this and that, such foolishness does not lead towards the truth, instead of seeing this as they are you see things as you desire them to be

I´m not talking about the mode of goodness; I´m talking about the mode of truth.

Nope. Hell is Hell and all those who do not accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior are going there. Except the Jews. They're God's chosen people. I'm leaving them alone.

This is the same evangelical nonsense spouted by most fundamentalist Christians who really don't have a clue other than the indoctrination they received from their familes. Thier holier-than-thou, patronizing attitudes are typical of the hatred and bigotry that have formed much of the society we currently live in the Americas.

These are extremely dangerous people who lack any kind of education and the ability to think rationally. They are and will continue to be the downfall of mankind.

This is the same evangelical nonsense spouted by most fundamentalist Christians who really don't have a clue other than the indoctrination they received from their familes. Thier holier-than-thou, patronizing attitudes are typical of the hatred and bigotry that have formed much of the society we currently live in the Americas.

These are extremely dangerous people who lack any kind of education and the ability to think rationally. They are and will continue to be the downfall of mankind.

:eek: ... :m: ... :bravo:

The thing is, noone is better than noone; but it is true that these types of remarks makes you wonder how can a human being survive with such a lack of intelligence of their own.

This seems to be the overall concensus of hundreds of cases of Near Death Experiences that I have read.
If your spirituality is low you are naturally attracted to a "hell-like "state but it's not eternal as some dogma in religion dictates. There is always a chance to move to the higher spiritual realms once you realize the error of your ways,even if that takes a long stretch of time.
If you have practiced good selfless acts in your life and shown unconditional love your spiritual vibrations will be high and will only allow you to fit into a heavenly realm that accomodates such.
Well not neccesarily, you could still wind up in hell if you're a seemingly good person and still wind up in heaven if you're a seemingly bad person...all that matters is the karma or thought-energy at death


I would not agree it's a literal belief in the person themselves (the last thing I believe Jesus wanted was a personality cult built up around him) but rather a faith in the "essence" of what these enlightened masters represented. That essence being attaining what they had ..total communion with God.
As one person who had an NDE claimed: When he asked the being of light (God) what was the best religion to follow ,the answer was "whatever one brings you closest to God".
Well I would agree that IT DOES

You see people like you and other intellectuals say in your mind "I cannot understand how faith in anyone would work, so it must mean faith in 'essence'", you have done this to satsify your own insecurites, craving, desperation, etc...and have avoided the truth, and in doing so turned your back upon the truth.

You see people like Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, and ANY perfected being were the truth, the way, the light, etc...so if you have faith in them you will move closer to these things. This is not a figurative or symbolic thing, they quite literally are the truth...

When someone has faith in Jesus and constant rememberance or thoughts of Jesus, they are focusing and concentrating their minds upon Jesus (even if they don't know it), therefore they are focusing their minds upon the truth, the way, and bringing themselves closer to the truth, this is how and why faith in any perfected one works...the foolish unable to comprehend this say "oh it just doesn't seem so, what can faith do?"

"I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" - Jesus (John 14:6)

"O conqueror of wealth, there is no Truth superior to Me. Everything rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on a thread" - Krishna (BG 7.7)

"The subject on which I meditate is truth.
The practice to which I devote myself is truth.
The topic of my conversation is truth.
My thoughts are always in the truth.
For lo! My very self has become the truth" - Gautama Buddha

However, I agree with the NDE assertion whatever one brings you closest to God is best for you, thats a great way of saying it, and its true, everyone is different, but I also agree that faith in Jesus or Buddha will work and greatly increases your chances of going into a heavenly world as opposed to a hellish world

What if one has faith in a different belief system other than Christianity? Does the same rule apply to karma, in your opinion?

The truth applies everywhere....if someone isn't Christian but has the karma leading towards heaven, then still they will go to heaven

Ofcourse belief in Christ reduces your chances of going to hell

The evil generation of vipers that Jesus had appeared to, if they had no faith in Jesus would wind up in hell

I´m beggining to see that everybody "twists" your words Vital.

Those things are no way of achieving anything, but illusions of the mind. What the Sutras are describing is a man who has become like that, he transcends duality because he is true to himself. Not a man who trascended duality because of that description.
Again you have avoided the truth, it doesn't matter for what motive you have done it, if you have done it properly the result is the same...

For someone seeking destroy bad karma, if they destory all their impulses, then they too will become fully perfected

For someone seeking nothing, if they destory all their impulses, then they too will become fully perfected


I´m not talking about the mode of goodness; I´m talking about the mode of truth.
There is no mode of truth...the truth is not a mode

The truth applies everywhere....if someone isn't Christian but has the karma leading towards heaven, then still they will go to heaven

Ofcourse belief in Christ reduces your chances of going to hell

So, hell didn't exist before Christ?

So, hell didn't exist before Christ?
What do you mean?

Christ on Earth or Christ himself?

So, hell didn't exist before Christ?

Before Abraham, Christ was...

....what?

Again you have avoided the truth, it doesn't matter for what motive you have done it, if you have done it properly the result is the same...

For someone seeking destroy bad karma, if they destory all their impulses, then they too will become fully perfected

For someone seeking nothing, if they destory all their impulses, then they too will become fully perfected

Yeah, all I´m saying is that a man doesn´t become compassionate by reading the scriptures or even practicing compassion; a man becomes truly compassionate when he understands wholeheartedly the reality of life. This is just an example of course; like in order to become wise, you don´t "practice wisdom", wisdom comes in its own accord when the time and circumstances are right.
Same happens with emotions, you don´t become "without anger" by trying to control your anger; but by understanding of the reality of the emotion. All that it takes is true awareness, dhyana; specially when the emotion arises.

There is no mode of truth...the truth is not a mode
I´m just saying man, there is no such thing as "mode of goodness" either.

Yeah, all I´m saying is that a man doesn´t become compassionate by reading the scriptures or even practicing compassion; a man becomes truly compassionate when he understands wholeheartedly the reality of life. This is just an example of course; like in order to become wise, you don´t "practice wisdom", wisdom comes in its own accord when the time and circumstances are right.
Same happens with emotions, you don´t become "without anger" by trying to control your anger; but by understanding of the reality of the emotion. All that it takes is true awareness, dhyana; specially when the emotion arises.

Well I agree and disagree

If someone has destroyed their impulses, insecurities, destructive thoughts, etc...then naturally they have no anger, fear, sorrow, boredom, pain , etc...not because they are trying to "be a good person", but because there is nothing causing them to feel fear, anger, sorrow, boredom, frustration, pain, and all other variations of misery, all that is left is the highest enjoyment, the highest pleasure, the highest truth

Its like Krishna says:
"One who has transcended material good and evil automatically acts in accordance with religious injunctions and avoids forbidden activities. The self-realized person does this spontaneously, like an innocent child, and not because he is thinking in terms of material good and evil" (SB 11.7.11)


I´m just saying man, there is no such thing as "mode of goodness" either.
Sure there is, the mode of goodness is something in material nature, the truth is not under material nature, energy, it exists "just as it is", not as something, neither nothing, nor something and nothing, nor neither something nor nothing