LOL yea my subject isn't exactly the same thing that i'm going to suggest......first of all I would just like to hear all of your opinions of faith.

FAITH-belief and trust in and loyalty to GOD (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust.

That was straight from a dictionary....and that's exactly what faith means to me....,but others condradict saything that faith is nothing, but a mere hope to hide the truth?? Well if it's there to hide the "truth" then tell me what is the truth? They don't believe in faith just because it's not present...that's just like saying you don't believe in happiness, joy, sadness, love, hope, and other non-physical elements like such.

So give me your opinion please!
*~spunks~*

Spunks,

A few more dictionary definitions.

These were part of a long study I had been putting together on what is meant by faith and how the word is used and misused in different contexts. The imprecision of the word leads to significant confusion and that certainly doesn’t help in religious debates.

My study and my conclusions are not complete at this time, but I offer these few definitions for consideration.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language

1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief. See Synonyms at trust.
3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
4. often Faith Christianity. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
5. The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.
6. A set of principles or beliefs.

British Collins English Dictionary

1. strong or unshakeable belief in something, esp. without proof or evidence,
2. a specific system of religious beliefs: the Jewish faith.
3. Christianity. trust in God and in his actions and promises.
4. a conviction of the truth of certain doctrines of religion, esp. when this is not based on reason.
5. complete confidence or trust in a person, remedy, etc.
6. any set of firmly held principles or beliefs.
7. allegiance or loyalty, as to a person or cause (esp. in the phrases keep faith, break faith).
8. bad faith. insincerity or dishonesty.
9. good faith. honesty or sincerity, as of intention in business (esp. in the phrase In good faith).

Cris

ALL YOU DID BY RESTATING THE DEFINITIONS OF THE MEANING OF FAITH WAS REPEATING WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING:

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language

1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.

2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief. See Synonyms at trust.
**EXACTLY MY POINT, WE TRUST IN GOD
3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
**STAY LOYAL TO GOD NO MATTER WHAT TEMTATIONS MAY CROSS YOU
4. often Faith Christianity. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
**NOTICE**THE WORD CHRISTIANITY? YEA BELIEVING IN GOD AND TRUSTING ACCEPTANCE OF GOD'S WILL
6. A set of principles or beliefs.
**EXAMPLE: THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

British Collins English Dictionary

1. strong or unshakeable belief in something, esp. without proof or evidence,
**BELIEF IN GOD, MAY NOT HAVE PROOF OR EVIDENCE
2. a specific system of religious beliefs: the Jewish faith.
**JEWISH FAITH IS VERY MUCH LIKE CHRISTIANITY
3. Christianity. trust in God and in his actions and promises.
**AGAIN CHRISTIANITY, TRUST IN GOD AND HIS PROMISES
4. a conviction of the truth of certain doctrines of religion, esp. when this is not based on reason.
**DOCTRINES: THE BIBLE, THE WORD OF GOD
5. complete confidence or trust in a person, remedy, etc.
**COMPLETE TRUST IN GOD
6. any set of firmly held principles or beliefs.
**BELIEFS OF THE BIBLE AND GOD AND THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
7. allegiance or loyalty, as to a person or cause (esp. in the phrases keep faith, break faith).
**LOYALTY TO CHRIST, KEEPING THE FAITH

THESE WOULD BE ADJECTIVES NOT NOUNS:
8. bad faith. insincerity or dishonesty.
9. good faith. honesty or sincerity, as of intention in business (esp. in the phrase In good faith).

and the conclusion you should draw from all the relevant definitions is that believing something based on faith does not show that what you believe is the truth.

What you are saying is that you believe based on faith and that you KNOW that what you believe is truth. That jump to claimed knowledge cannot be supported by believeing something on faith, it is irrational.

Cris

no, you are just beating around the bush
and Frankly I really don't care what you believe in because it's you sad and sorry life not mine...

Originally posted by spunks239
no, you are just beating around the bush
and Frankly I really don't care what you believe in because it's you sad and sorry life not mine... I thought my comments were very clear and unambiguous. What didn't you understand?

And really I am a very happy an unsorry individual.

But whatever you believe, I enjoyed these few posts. And I hope Sarah is OK. You did make me feel guilty for inadvertently and accidentally upsetting a child.

I have to sleep now I have to work tommorrow, umm later this morning - nuts.

Take care.
Cris