Afterall, you're dead and could care less. Shouldn't it really be called, the "scare the shit out of you penalty until you die"?

yeah sounds like it should be

I dont think that the S.T.S.O.O.U.Y.D penalty has the same ring.


How would you even pronounce that

sitsoooyud penalty?

Isn't the death penalty more a penalty of fear than of death? We just want to scare the shit out of you as much as possible. Call it the ultimate scare penalty.

Well its not even really a penalty if your life sucked ass before you got it, it more like a gift or a favor.

Can life really be so bad that death is preferable?

death is just erasing memories completely...the body is only a tool. Death is the beginning of a new life.

That's nice. Now, prove it.

That's nice. Now, prove it.

general relativity proves it.

E=MC2? Huh?

Can life really be so bad that death is preferable?

It depends on who your cell mate is and whether you're the top or the bottom in that relationship.

general relativity proves it.

how so?

Male rape is worse than death?

how so?

it is inside the math concept equations of Einstein's general relativity...the cycle of matter...delta E= delta m * c^2 is just a simple pretty to look at. General relativity has muuuuch much more math behind it, and within it is math that describes our world, including us and our consciousness.

More than E=MC2? Like what?

Can life really be so bad that death is preferable?

Yes, confinement in prison can be worse, especially solitary. The death penalty is no real penalty at all.

I agree, it really isn't a penalty, and honestly why would I be scared of dying if I knew for certain they were going to kill me anyway? I would just be like "yea yea kill me already losers."

More than E=MC2? Like what?

time dilation is just one of them.;)

For the believer this world is a prison.

For the unbeliever it is a paradise.

If all the believers are right and there really is a hell and the criminal is oblivious to all of it and never repents then death could be considered a penalty.

But those on death row are basically in solitary right? Years and years by themselves...thinking back on the wasted life they have led. I don't think its so much about death as it is death row.

If all the believers are right and there really is a hell and the criminal is oblivious to all of it and never repents then death could be considered a penalty.


Good point ranthi,

Unbelievers should be executed because:

A) If there is a Hell they will go straight there.

B) If there isn't they forfeit the only life they'll ever have.

Life inside solitary confinement is , to me, a cruel and unusual punishment

as compared to death which is no suffering at all. At least the way they

execute prisoners today.

Yes, it is. The best Ive ever heard it put was in a Clint Eastwood movie. "Killing a man aint no easy thing, you take away all hes got and all hes ever going to have."

Life inside solitary confinement is , to me, a cruel and unusual punishment

as compared to death which is no suffering at all. At least the way they

execute prisoners today.

Didnt you hear though? People are now trying to claim lethal injection is cruel and unusual. I am sure you know what the 3 poisons are they give you but just incase someone doesnt, Im going to outline what they do real quick in order of how they are given.

1. puts you to sleep
2. stops your breathing
3. stops your heart

Im not sure of what part of this is cruel and unusual but since nobody has ever lived to give a first hand account...who knows? maybe they are right? ever had a dream of falling off a cliff?

Good point ranthi,

Unbelievers should be executed because:

A) If there is a Hell they will go straight there.

B) If there isn't they forfeit the only life they'll ever have.

Well, unbelievers and believers alike if they commit a crime that fits the punishment. Truthfully,Im not sure my stance on the death penalty thing. Im not sure Im comfortable supporting a punishment I would not be willing to inflict myself.

I could put someone in jail...but Im not sure I could push the button that ends someone's life.:shrug:

Death is a penalty for those who love life.

Death is a penalty for those who love life.

Death is an illusionary penalty for those who love illusion of life

Yes, it is. The best Ive ever heard it put was in a Clint Eastwood movie. "Killing a man aint no easy thing, you take away all hes got and all hes ever going to have."

What about someone who believes his execution will buy him a pass into heaven? We need not, after all, look solely to murderers (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=74055) on this count. Ignatius of Antioch (http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0107.htm) killed nobody, and, as he traveled to Rome to meet with the lions, he prayed for his martyrdom and instructed fellow Christians to not intercede on his behalf: "I have not written to you according to the flesh, but according to the will of God. If I shall suffer, you have wished [well] to me; but if I am rejected, you have hated me."

The death penalty isn't about sending anyone to the afterlife. It's about ultimate revenge of a corporeal nature. But, isn't that kinda stupid? Wouldn't perpetual torture without death be far more revengeful? The people want blood! They don't want perpetual torture. Torture is a difficult concept to grasp, because most people aren't tortured. But most of us have a fear of death!

I'm afraid of death by cow, or cotton candy

Didnt you hear though? People are now trying to claim lethal injection is cruel and unusual. I am sure you know what the 3 poisons are they give you but just incase someone doesnt, Im going to outline what they do real quick in order of how they are given.

1. puts you to sleep
2. stops your breathing
3. stops your heart

Im not sure of what part of this is cruel and unusual but since nobody has ever lived to give a first hand account...who knows? maybe they are right? ever had a dream of falling off a cliff?

I'd rather ride the lightning than have even one needle stuck in me for the purpose of death. I hate even a blood test, I hate fukin needles.

I'd rather ride the lightning than have even one needle stuck in me for the purpose of death. I hate even a blood test, I hate fukin needles.


The needle should be the last of your worries... it's what's coming down it that should really bother you.

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And just a note to say that each of the three drugs administered in a lethal injection is given in a lethal dosage.

It's unlikely that anyone would recover from the first injection, let alone the other two.

Isn't the death penalty more a penalty of fear than of death? We just want to scare the shit out of you as much as possible. Call it the ultimate scare penalty.

Maybe that's why they keep them on deathrow so long :)

i think it is more the removal of your right to life...

penal imprisonment takes away your freedom and all sense of independence as a price to be paid for an offense... this is determined in lengths of time based on the myriad considerations of the severity of the offense and the many factors in the final judgment on this to determine the length of imprisonment...

the only step greater is to determine you never have the right to any from of independence or freedom at all, nor a right to even posses your own life... the utter and complete removal of all freedom or rights to the greatest degree...

after all... though simplistic arguments are made these days that the death penalty is not a deterrent to human behavior, and similar, laughable ideas like that are quite popular and seem so 'intellectual' and 'enlightened'...

the entirety of human history has proven the death penalty to be the most effective deterrent of undesired and criminal behavior there is...

not perfect in deterring... nothing is...

but the most effective deterrent penalty by far...

The needle should be the last of your worries... it's what's coming down it that should really bother you.

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And just a note to say that each of the three drugs administered in a lethal injection is given in a lethal dosage.

It's unlikely that anyone would recover from the first injection, let alone the other two.

Please save the christian fear mongering for someone else. No effect on me.

Please save the christian fear mongering for someone else. No effect on me.


What has Christianity got to do with it?

I expect that death is a worse prospect for most people than living out your life in prison (free food, lodging, library access, etc).
I guess if your crime is murder then the punishment fits the crime.