http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/09/world/middleeast/09cnd-iraq.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Of Course the hated inept puppet junta 'ruling' Iraq will fear a US pullout! Kinda like how Najibullah feared the mujahadeen in Afghanistan in '79!
We're looking at grave results now. Just wait till NATO Turkey invades Iraqi Kurdistan! The final component of the full scale civil war will be ignited.
Let's get the hell out right now and execute the Bush mafia.

The Iraqi foreign minister, Hoshyar Zebari, warned today that an early American withdrawal from Iraq could bring on an all-out civil war and regional conflict, pointedly telling the United States that it had responsibilities to continue lending support to the Baghdad government.

The Turkish government has long complained that Iraq’s Kurdish regional government has failed to stop separatist Kurdish fighters belonging to the Kurdistan Workers’ Party crossing the border and carrying out attacks in Turkey. The Kurdish party, known as the P.K.K., is a separatist group that has been designated a terrorist organization by the United States and the European Union.

Mr. Zebari, who is a Kurd...

Nuff said/

So it's OK for us to have a civil war, but not Iraq?

So it's OK for us to have a civil war, but not Iraq?The US Civil War was not "OK." More Americans died at the hands of other Americans than all wars we were in combined. It was a national tragedy. An end result was positive but the blood shed was a true holocaust. Wishing that on Iraq? I'm surprised SG.

But we would have been angry if other nations got involved. It wasn't their business.

But we would have been angry if other nations got involved. It wasn't their business.Other nations were involved. The UK backed the South and France flipped sides many times. Spain aided the South as well from the Caribbean.

But we would have been angry if other nations got involved. It wasn't their business.

But several were considering getting involved, Britain and France on the Confederate side, if Lee had won the battle of Getty's Burg, the English would have moved to break the blockade and that would have save the war for the South.

We can't stay in Iraq forever. We are leaving someday, and that's when the civil war will happen.

We can't stay in Iraq forever. We are leaving someday, and that's when the civil war will happen.

Not only that; it will result in a Turkey-Kurdish war, Saudi-Iran/Iraq war as well as the possible escalation of the Israel Palestine crisis with all the conflict around. It does not matter how long the US stays. It was a Pandora's box and it has been opened.

That's true. Bush has turned over the hornet's net, exactly like Al Quida wished him to do. At least those poor military equipment suppliers will finally get some work...

Oh gee. I guess we can't go yet. We don't want Iraq to collapse. What a pity we'll have to keep the occu... er humanitarian mission going for awhile longer.

Oh gee. I guess we can't go yet. We don't want Iraq to collapse. What a pity we'll have to keep the occu... er humanitarian mission going for awhile longer.
Iraq has collapsed. The US knocked it down. How humanitarian of us.:rolleyes: The striking ineptitude of this war on Iraq has destabilized the entire region. 12 Billion bucks a month, blown by small gubmint 'conservatives.'
Bring the troops home now to defend OUR security, not the puppet junta's security in Baghdad.

Iraq has collapsed. The US knocked it down. How humanitarian of us.:rolleyes: The striking ineptitude of this war on Iraq has destabilized the entire region. 12 Billion bucks a month, blown by small gubmint 'conservatives.'
Bring the troops home now to defend OUR security, not the puppet junta's security in Baghdad.


You never win anything by going defensive, you will not protect the country by bringing the Troops home, you will just change the Battlefield to our back yards.

You never win anything by going defensive, you will not protect the country by bringing the Troops home, you will just change the Battlefield to our back yards.

If 911 was us hitting ourselves and we're now hitting other people, maybe it is time to come home. Unless we need the oil.

Our presence in Iraq is not protecting our country. We are keeping a tenuous lid on their civil war. If Iraqis are warning us not to pull out, and Iraqis are at the same time resentful of our presence, perhaps they wish us to use up more of our resources in Iraq, so as to weaken us. What if that is Al Quida's strategy as well?

So much of the outcome there does not depend on us or our troops. The Iraqi government has a responsibility to craft diplomatic solutions for the new Iraq, and it is failing. How much of a chance do we give them?

If 911 was us hitting ourselves and we're now hitting other people, maybe it is time to come home. Unless we need the oil.:rolleyes: Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Saudi Arabia & Pakistan, Bush allies, supplied the terrorists and the religious agenda that brought us that day. The 9/11 card is easy to grab to defend this war on Iraq, but it just don't float desi.

:rolleyes: Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Saudi Arabia & Pakistan, Bush allies, supplied the terrorists and the religious agenda that brought us that day. The 9/11 card is easy to grab to defend this war on Iraq, but it just don't float desi.

I agree. Except I think our leaders initiated 911 so we would put up with the vague wars we have now.

:rolleyes: Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Saudi Arabia & Pakistan, Bush allies, supplied the terrorists and the religious agenda that brought us that day. The 9/11 card is easy to grab to defend this war on Iraq, but it just don't float desi.

Saudi Arabia, though I dislike the monarchy, does not have any influence of AQ. Also Pakistan has no relation them either.

Saudi Arabia, though I dislike the monarchy, does not have any influence of AQ. Also Pakistan has no relation them either.

Mmhmm..

- N

Any puppets would lose much with it's master's withdrawal of support... doh.

You never win anything by going defensive, you will not protect the country by bringing the Troops home, you will just change the Battlefield to our back yards.
Keep thinking that, while I place my bets against the US.

You never win anything by going defensive

But that's exactly what our occupation is. War was declared over. There is no standing army. We're policing Iraq like sitting ducks.

you will not protect the country by bringing the Troops home

Sure it would.

you will just change the Battlefield to our back yards.

It's always been in our backyards. Always has been, always will be.

By staying in Iraq, all we're doing is creating more terrorists. Those doctors that were gonna come (which I'm sure we already have many sleeper cells here) here weren't soldiers in Iraq, they were regular civilians. Care to piss more regular people off?

Hell, Iraq aside, our government is already pissing our militias off right now with this whole North American Union. IMO, Muslims from the Middle East is the least of our worries because we can at least track them through flight/shipping logs. Good luck with the Americans, Muslim, white, whomever, that can't take this corrupt government anymore.

- N