http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3348748,00.html

After countless declarations of peaceful intentions of nuclear plan, Iran's chief nuclear envoy confirms fears by saying if county is threatened, situation will change

i like the comments best, no wonder Iran fells threaten.


"We oppose obtaining nuclear weapons and we will peacefully use nuclear technology under the framework of the Nonproliferation Treaty, but if we are threatened, the situation may change," He told a news conference after two days of talks in Beijing.

Well, what I still don't understand is how no one bats an eyelid at the fact that the only country ever to have massacred hundreds of thousands of women and children using nuclear weapons, who possess a stockpile of weapons of mass destruction many times larger than any other nation on the planet and have sold WMDs to unstable regimes like Iraq under Saddam Hussein who then used those WMDs to massacre women and children (and then hanged him for doing it) is telling a nation that has never used a nuclear weapon or as far as I know a WMD that they can't have nuclear power stations, let alone a nuclear bomb.

Well, what I still don't understand is...

Oh, if you think about it and study it some, I think you can figure it out. I have faith in your mental abilities ...go ahead and try. :D

Baron Max

becuase might makes right isn't it Maximus

Zakariya, that is correct, the way of the world, it seem to be the Idea behind the Terrorist way of thinking.

So it would seem:

Jan. 4, 2007 0:57 | Updated Jan. 4, 2007 9:33
'IDF can stop Iran's nuclear program'

Israel is capable of stopping Iran's nuclear program with an independent military strike, a former head of the Israel Air Force who was involved in the 1981 bombing of Iraq's Osirak reactor has told The Jerusalem Post.

According to the former commander, the IAF could use its US-made F-16I and F-15I fighter jets to reach Iran and, if not completely destroy the program, at least cause enough damage to set back the development of a nuclear weapon by several years.

"Israel can do it," said the officer. "All you have to do is pick a number of essential targets and destroy them. This way you delay the process and wait to see what happens," he said.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1167467657047&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

So it would seem:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1167467657047&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

thanks for the link sam, although i doubt israel can stop iran in this venture for a nuclear bomb.

That's what nukes are for, defense.

Why wouldn't any country use them if they were threatened by others that had them? Are nukes only for great nations like Pakistan? Russia and Israel??

That's what nukes are for, defense.

Why wouldn't any country use them if they were threatened by others that had them? Are nukes only for great nations like Pakistan? Russia and Israel??

not in the use by those who constantly say they are going to use them against another country. but jews are involved here, so who care? just like ww2.

not in the use by those who constantly say they are going to use them against another country. but jews are involved here, so who care? just like ww2.The poor, hand wringing, whining eternal victims. Getting real old.

The poor, hand wringing, whining eternal victims. Getting real old.

its 2000+ years old actually.

its 2000+ years old actually.Maybe time to get off the Kleenex box and manage your own affairs.

Maybe time to get off the Kleenex box and manage your own affairs.

well in 2000 years we manged to piss of everyone including muslims and christians, so i guess that is just part of our history the 2000+ years of persecution. im all for the us to stop giving money to israel. most of it is used to buy military arsenal and tech components made in the us, things we make here.
because of this us funds many engineers dont find jobs in israel so they look for jobs abroad mainly in the us. this is very frustrating, the us support to israel is bad for israel. we can manage without it-but none of our politicians have the balls to do say it, except for netanyahu but he was a bad prime minister.

If Iran uses a nuclear wepaon, we can say goodbye to one of the craddles of civilization.

What Alexander the Great did to Persia will look pathetic compared to the nuclear craters that will make Tehran a memory.

Frankly, I regret such things. Persia is a brilliant country with great antiquity.

Persia is a brilliant country with great antiquity.

Yeah, don't most of 'em still live in the mud huts that their great-great-great-great-great-grandfathers build? And probably still use the same donkey cart to haul vegatables to the same markets?

Baron Max

Yeah, don't most of 'em still live in the mud huts that their great-great-great-great-great-grandfathers build? And probably still use the same donkey cart to haul vegatables to the same markets?

Baron MaxActually Iran is a modern industrial nation with cities filled with skyscapers, universities, an underground nightlife and museums, Paris looking avenues and friendly people. Some rural areas are poor, like in Appalachia, Louisiana and Mississippi.
Your ignorance matched with the nasty loud mouth makes you look foolish.
Onto the ignore list, and I'm reporting your post as inflammatory. It serves no purpose other than to piss normal people off.

Actually Iran is a modern industrial nation with cities filled with skyscapers, universities, an underground nightlife and museums, Paris looking avenues and friendly people.

What's the percentage of Iranians that actually have sanitary sewers and potable water supplies to their homes, apartments, mudhuts? How many have electricity?

I also wonder how many Iranians actually use those skyscrapers and universities? Got any stats for that figure?

Baron Max

not in the use by those who constantly say they are going to use them against another country. but jews are involved here, so who care? just like ww2.

Dear Predator,

Its similar to your deputry prime minister threatening to kill the entire Eygptian Nile pupolution, by threatening to blow up the Aswan Dam, amongst other disgusting things he has said.

Anyway the article say the policy may change not it will change, i am surprised that someone like you let this little detail of comprehension slip.

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take care
zak

Yeah, don't most of 'em still live in the mud huts that their great-great-great-great-great-grandfathers build? And probably still use the same donkey cart to haul vegatables to the same markets?

Baron Max

Hey Maxuimus

Yep most iranians live in mud huts and use donkeys.

As you have come out with this fact i assume you have the stats, and if so please post or else retract your statement as another blatant guess by the one and only Baron Max

You are a funny guy maximus.

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take care
zak

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3348748,00.html
And if they are not threatened they will not?

i like the comments best, no wonder Iran fells threaten.
who started it all?

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3348748,00.html

Kofi Annan didn't do one single step to curtail wild Ahmadinejad.

What's the percentage of Iranians that actually have sanitary sewers and potable water supplies to their homes, apartments, mudhuts? How many have electricity?

I also wonder how many Iranians actually use those skyscrapers and universities? Got any stats for that figure?

Baron Max

Where exactly do you find that kind of statistic? That's a fairly ridiculous thing to demand.

Where exactly do you find that kind of statistic? That's a fairly ridiculous thing to demand.

I don't know where to find the answer, that's why I asked the question!

Where does one find the answers to questions like that in third-, fourth-, fifth-world nations?

Baron Max

I don't know where to find the answer, that's why I asked the question!

Where does one find the answers to questions like that in third-, fourth-, fifth-world nations?

Baron Max
Look up Tehran, Tabriz, Abadan and other major cities in Iran. Do you believe all non christian countries are like Darfur?? If you do why are you so scared of them?

I don't know where to find the answer, that's why I asked the question!

Where does one find the answers to questions like that in third-, fourth-, fifth-world nations?

Baron Max

Are you serious?

Tehran:

http://www.farsinet.com/tehran/images/azadi.jpg
http://www.iranchamber.com/cities/tehran/tehran.php

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39856000/jpg/_39856529_traffic2_isna203.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3839509.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40356000/jpg/_40356013_tablefriendsspain250.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/3873069.stm

samdkey-genji, In such a closed tight evil regime like Iran where you can't say a word you believe against the Islamic govt, no wonder there are no photos of it's brutality 24/7 crimers against it's own people.

who started it all?the one that called for GENOCIDE i.e. the head of the Islamic Republic, "wiping off the map" anybody?

samdkey-genji, In such a closed tight evil regime like Iran where you can't say a word you believe against the Islamic govt, no wonder there are no photos of it's brutality 24/7 crimers against it's own people.

:rolleyes:
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article6302.shtml

samdkey-genji, In such a closed tight evil regime like Iran where you can't say a word you believe against the Islamic govt, no wonder there are no photos of it's brutality 24/7 crimers against it's own people.Is it hard starting your postcount over AGAIN Kiwi?
One can defend the people of a nation against racist hatred from JewFascists and not be supportive of the handful of people in the government.

the one that called for GENOCIDE i.e. the head of the Islamic Republic, "wiping off the map" anybody?Who hasn't wished the end of Israel? Goes back a long time. You know you're despised by most of the world, grow some balls and take your criticism like you dish it out.

Seen the same type of pictures from Germany before WWII, and they sure destroyed Europe, and massacred millions in their war of Lebensraum. Just because you can show a little modern architecture still doesn't mean that you are first world, there are a lot more thing that go with being a first world nation.

When I figure out how to get the pictures on this site I will post some other pictures of Iran, the country side.

Seen the same type of pictures from Germany before WWII, and they sure destroyed Europe, and massacred millions in their war of Lebensraum. Just because you can show a little modern architecture still doesn't mean that you are first world, there are a lot more thing that go with being a first world nation.

When I figure out how to get the pictures on this site I will post some other pictures of Iran, the country side.
yes, they (Nazis) showed kids having coffeee when they gassed the millions.

Seen the same type of pictures from Germany before WWII, and they sure destroyed Europe, and massacred millions in their war of Lebensraum. Just because you can show a little modern architecture still doesn't mean that you are first world, there are a lot more thing that go with being a first world nation.

When I figure out how to get the pictures on this site I will post some other pictures of Iran, the country side.I'll try to find some photos of Appalachian poor, Louisiana and Mississippi poor and some great urban ghetto shots from the USA.

yes, they (Nazis) showed kids having coffeee when they gassed the millions.Call the Waaaaaambulance. Kiwi no one cares about your victimhood orgy. Thread is about Iran and how they will defend themselves if attacked. Not your personal status deficiencies.:rolleyes:

genji/samdkey, you mean the slums in (most of the) arab world?

genji/samdkey, you mean the slums in (most of the) arab world?

The same ones that control how fast and how far the dollar can rise/fall?:rolleyes:

iran has no border conflict with israel, it is just another fanatical moslem fascism against israel.

Yes Sam answer that one, Iran doesn't have a border with Israel, and as far as I know Israel has never attacked Iran, so why all the threats, and promise of destruction, from Iran? What Has Israel done to Iran?

Iran was among the first countries to recognise Israel and was one of its closest friends. Iran bought weapons from Israel for the Iran-Iraq war as well. During the revolution to overthrow the Shah, they discovered papers in the US Embassy which showed that Israel along with the US had also been involved in training the deadly SAVAK torture groups of the Shah which had tortured almost every Iranian family over a period of 25 years.

A wave of anti-Israel (and anti-US) sentiment swept the whole nation, because they had considered Israel a friend. Also Khomeini who came to power during the revolution was violently anti-American and extended his hatred to Israel as a US agent.Israel however was still involved in selling arms to him as well.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ronald_Reagan/Irangate_Israel_TICC.html


Eisenhower approved their plot to overthrow Iran's president by organizing mobs to attack the government, beginning a bloody war that finally toppled Mossadeq and allowed the installation of the Shah, who, big surprise, handed over half the country's oil fields to US oil mobsters.

Over the next 20 years, the other arm of the US military-industrial oiligarchy dumped $18 billion worth of armaments into the country, and the CIA, through SAVAK — the Iranian secret police — launched a reign of terror on the civilian population. In 1976, Amnesty International said SAVAK had the worst human rights record on the planet, their CIA-textbook torture techniques were "beyond belief."The secret police, SAVAK, trained by Israel and supplied by the U.S., were infamous for the use of torture and assassination. And meanwhile the Shah's personal corruption grew ever more blatant. Iran's vast oil wealth was squandered on palaces and ceremonies, used to enrich a small class of cronies and collaborators, and funneled into massive weapons purchases from the U.S.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Sept_11_2001/UnansweredQuestions_9-11.html
yet another 9/11 conspiracy theory. from sam site.

Believe what you want, its pretty common knowledge, not a mega secret or anything.:rolleyes:

Israel’s “periphery pact” with the Shah of Iran, cemented by the Americans in the 1950s, is also of great interest. Relations between the two countries have always been close. When the Shah was toppled, the Israeli ambassador in Iran revealed that the entire upper echelon of the Israeli leadership’ had visited the Shah over the years, including four former prime ministers – Ben-Gurion, Golda Meir, Itzhak Rabin and Menachem Begin – and former Chief of Defence Moshe Dayan. The Shah’s secret police SAVAK, notorious for their use of torture, arranged these visits. [24] The links between SAVAK and the Israeli secret service MOSSAD were very close. A former head of MOSSAD, Jacob Nimrodi, “the Israeli closest to the Shah” [25], spent time in Iran as an Israeli military attache. SAVAK and MOSSAD had co-operated since the 1950s.

http://www.marxists.de/middleast/rose/2-arming.htm#25

the one that called for GENOCIDE i.e. the head of the Islamic Republic, "wiping off the map" anybody?

Actually, the Iranian comments about removing Israel from the map didn't come until after the numerous talks and threats by Israel saying they're gonna bomb their nuclear research facilities.

- N

Believe what you want, its pretty common knowledge, not a mega secret or anything.

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Israel’s “periphery pact” with the Shah of Iran, cemented by the Americans in the 1950s, is also of great interest. Relations between the two countries have always been close. When the Shah was toppled, the Israeli ambassador in Iran revealed that the entire upper echelon of the Israeli leadership’ had visited the Shah over the years, including four former prime ministers – Ben-Gurion, Golda Meir, Itzhak Rabin and Menachem Begin – and former Chief of Defence Moshe Dayan. The Shah’s secret police SAVAK, notorious for their use of torture, arranged these visits. [24] The links between SAVAK and the Israeli secret service MOSSAD were very close. A former head of MOSSAD, Jacob Nimrodi, “the Israeli closest to the Shah” [25], spent time in Iran as an Israeli military attache. SAVAK and MOSSAD had co-operated since the 1950s.

The same people that still try and refuse us ever supplying Saddam with WMDs and other military equipment or doing numerous other acts that conflict with their hopeful views and beliefs in our current administration.

As they say, ignorance is bliss, I guess.

Denial, it's a sonabitch.

- N

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK
SAVAK has been replaced by the theologically correct SAVAMA, Sazman-e Ettela'at va Amniat-e Melli-e Iran, later renamed the Ministry of Intelligence. The latter is also referred to as VEVAK, Vezarat-e Ettela'at va Amniat-e Keshvar, though Iranians and the Iranian press never employ this term and use its official name as a Ministry. According to informed observers, the new organization is structurally identical to the old one and retains most of the same people??!!. A few local chiefs have been replaced. The new director of SAVAMA was deputy director of SAVAK: he was an old friend of the late Shah.
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"?

http://www.hirhome.com/iraniraq/savak.htm

the nine bureaus of SAVAK/SAVAMA were spying on ordinary Iranians and even on SAVAK/SAVAMA itself. They were also torturing and murdering ordinary Iranians, as they judged it necessary: “SAVAK used torture systematically as a tool of internal repression.” The Ayatollah Khomeini, of course, installed a totalitarian police state, so from this point of view swallowing SAVAK -- which had a great deal of experience running the shah’s totalitarian police state -- was convenient.
http://www.hirhome.com/iraniraq/savak.htm

Poor Iranis :(

Actually, the Iranian comments about removing Israel from the map didn't come until after the numerous talks and threats by Israel saying they're gonna bomb their nuclear research facilities.

- N

the comments are decades old.
the problem is not of timing, but of intent.

some downplay the whole "erase Israel off the map" thing by saying that Ahmedicumstain is only quoting Khomeini, and does not mean anything literally.
well guess what: Khomeini meant it literally, and Ahmedishitmuffin (and this regime in general) are continuing this policy. even the previous President, who happens to be a liberal, continued to do so.

the comments are decades old.
the problem is not of timing, but of intent.

some downplay the whole "erase Israel off the map" thing by saying that Ahmedicumstain is only quoting Khomeini, and does not mean anything literally.
well guess what: Khomeini meant it literally, and Ahmedishitmuffin (and this regime in general) are continuing this policy. even the previous President, who happens to be a liberal, continued to do so.

Khomeini was a player. While he was condemning Israel he was buying arms from them.

So why was Israel selling arms to Khomeini?

Politicians playing games at the expense of innocent lives.

Khomeini needed the weapons to fight against Saddam. Israel sold him weapons so he'd be pre-occupied with Saddam and not attack Israel instead.
another reason was because Khomeini was blackmailing the US government with the lives of the US diplomats held hostage to get these weapons, and the US sold these through Israel

go to Wiki and read up about the Iran Contra affair

this is the generally accepted explanation

are you trying to imply that Israel and Khomeini were friends? that they liked each other? and that therefore Khomeini did not have a burning desire to destroy Israel?

Khomeini needed the weapons to fight against Saddam. Israel sold him weapons so he'd be pre-occupied with Saddam and not attack Israel instead.
another reason was because Khomeini was blackmailing the US government with the lives of the US diplomats held hostage to get these weapons, and the US sold these through Israel

go to Wiki and read up about the Iran Contra affair

this is the generally accepted explanation

are you trying to imply that Israel and Khomeini were friends? that they liked each other? and that therefore Khomeini did not have a burning desire to destroy Israel?

Khomeini was selling Israel oil, Israel was selling him weapons and spare parts.

Business as usual?


"But, by the way, Khomeini sold oil to Israel, and Israel sold him weapons and spare parts, and put the Reagan administration up to doing the same thing. You will note that when Khomeini originally made the statement about the occupation regime over Jerusalem vanishing from the page of time, that was not front page news. In fact, secret Israeli arms shipments were arriving in Tehran as Khomeini was speaking."

"' Even during the hostage crisis in Tehran, Israel—later the United States’ partner through much of the Iran initiative—began to strike weapons deals of its own with Iran. Tel Aviv, like Washington, had a long history of selling arms to the Shah, which Tehran’s revolutionary government was willing to exploit secretly, despite its public animosity toward the state of Israel. Reportedly, the United States knew about Israeli transactions during the early 1980s but turned a blind eye."

You tell me.

your answer to my questions, i.e.
are you trying to imply that Israel and Khomeini were friends? that they liked each other? and that therefore Khomeini did not have a burning desire to destroy Israel? was basically to repeat to me everything that i told you.

are you suffering from IQ drainage or just avoiding my questions again?

Sam is great at avoiding questions, and giving any real answers, in her world it is the fault of Israel and the United States, and excusing the conduct of the terrorist.

from what i've seen, i believe Sam is a good person, so i won't say she is the female version of an asshole / dickhead

so i can only conclude that she is simply not that bright ...

Hey Maxuimus

Yep most iranians live in mud huts and use donkeys.

As you have come out with this fact i assume you have the stats, and if so please post or else retract your statement as another blatant guess by the one and only Baron Max

You are a funny guy maximus.

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take care
zak

Hey Maximus

I think you forgot to answer my question and proof of how you dont back up your statements with evidence.

please provide the stats and evidence to back this up pls, or a retraction would be good

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from what i've seen, i believe Sam is a good person, so i won't say she is the female version of an asshole / dickhead

so i can only conclude that she is simply not that bright ...

Don't underestimate Sam ....she/he can twist words and posts around so thorooughly that even her/his opponet can't fully grasp what she's/he's done until she/he already got her/his message across.

Don't underestimate Sam ...you'll be making a big mistake.

If you want to really get her goat, though, find and post nasty stuff about India ..about the poor, the poverty levels, the corruption in government and private industry, the ethnic conflicts all over India, the religious strife and trumoil, ....and anything else bad, nasty, horrid about India. She/he loves India almost as much as I love America ....yet she/he attacks American issues at every turn. I wonder how well she/he can take the tables being turned? If I could do it, I would, but I ain't so hot on Internet searches.

Baron Max

SamCDKey:

So now you're a Marxist conspiracist?

Jeez. Things just keep on getting worse!

your answer to my questions, i.e.
was basically to repeat to me everything that i told you.

are you suffering from IQ drainage or just avoiding my questions again?

Sorry I overestimated your comprehension abilities, I should be used to it by now after three years of dealing with American Intelligence (WMDs anyone;) ?)

If Khomeini was a bad guy who wanted to wipe Israel off the map, why is it that when Ahmedinejad quoted Khomeini it was such a big deal, but when Khomeini actually said it, Israel was supplying arms to him? I do believe they were sleeping partners, close lovers having an illicit affair who pretended to hate each other in public because they were married to other people. :D

Let me know if I should use smaller words.:p

Israel selling arms to Iran? Hey, don't forget about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair
The Iran-Contra Affair was one of the largest political scandals in the United States during the 1980s. Large volumes of documents relating to the scandal were destroyed or withheld from investigators by Reagan administration officials. The affair is still shrouded with secrecy and it is very hard to discover the facts. It involved several members of the Reagan Administration who in 1986 helped sell arms to Iran, an avowed enemy, and used the proceeds to fund the Contras, an anti-communist guerrilla organization in Nicaragua.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134836,00.html
Cheney Pushed for More Trade With Iran
WASHINGTON — Vice President Dick Cheney, who has called Iran "the world's leading exporter of terror," pushed to lift U.S. trade sanctions against Tehran while chairman of Halliburton Co. in the 1990s. And his company's offshore subsidiaries also expanded business in Iran.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/
Grand Jury Probes Cheney's Role in 'Illegal' Iran Trade
WASHINGTON - Yet another controversy has flared up around the Halliburton oil services company of which Vice-President Dick Cheney used to be chief executive - this time over whether during the 1995-2000 Cheney era it violated US law by doing business directly with Iran.

More reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States-Iran_relations

So to your:

"If Khomeini was a bad guy who wanted to wipe Israel off the map, why is it that when Ahmedinejad quoted Khomeini it was such a big deal, but when Khomeini actually said it, Israel was supplying arms to him?"

Don't forget that the U.S. was also supplying arms to Iran as well back then. ;)

Personally, Dick Cheney is the last person, especially as a head figure of this country, that should have any involvement with Iran. Unfortunately, as Sam likes to say, we live in the United States of Amnesia.

- N

The enemy of my enemy may be a use full tool, that is what I see Israel doing in selling weapon to Khomeini, a truly middle eastern idea.

Israel selling arms to Iran? Hey, don't forget about:



Personally, Dick Cheney is the last person, especially as a head figure of this country, that should have any involvement with Iran. Unfortunately, as Sam likes to say, we live in the United States of Amnesia.

- N

Do you ever?

THAT WASN"T ME, IT WAS REV NEIL ELLIOTT!!:D

The mind boggles at the justifications!!

How do they ever keep track of the enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy?

SamCDKey:

So now you're a Marxist conspiracist?

Jeez. Things just keep on getting worse!

Actually I'm a democratic, socialist republican Muslim.

The Muslim part covers the communism and anarchy.:p

from what i've seen, i believe Sam is a good person, so i won't say she is the female version of an asshole / dickhead

so i can only conclude that she is simply not that bright ...

ha ha ha. you have to admit she\he has bigger balls than -- of the sciforum followers.

EDIT: MOST sciforum followers, dont use this as an excuse to not answer my posts.

ha ha ha. you have to admit she\he has bigger balls than 99% of the sciforum followers.

Good heavens! Those are boobs! Surely you can tell the difference?:eek:

Sam is the don, I take my hat off to her.

Shes always slaughtering these nutcases, Sam I salute you! you’re an inspiration!

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Good heavens! Those are boobs! Surely you can tell the difference?:eek:

my hat (little slip there) goes off to all ball busters. what boobs are you talking about?

Sam is the don, I take my hat off to her.

Shes always slaughtering these nutcases, Sam I salute you! you’re an inspiration!

Gimme five, bro!;)

Innallaha maa as-Saabereen

my hat (little slip there) goes off to all ball busters. what boobs are you talking about?

*cough, cough* boobs, not balls

Gimme five, bro!;)

Inallaha ma'as-Saabereen.

*gives Sam five* :D

Take it easy, I'm off.

Of course she is proven to be wrong too often.

Of course she is proven to be wrong too often.

Strangely I'm not too worried about those who are "proving me wrong" :)

http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1259833&postcount=142

Of course she is proven to be wrong too often.

I've yet to see it when it comes to stating political fact, only when it comes to stating her ethical opinion (on guns, grr).

- N

I've yet to see it when it comes to stating political fact, ...

Political fact? What's that? And who determines it? And who agrees with it?

As to Sam, she/he is an fuckin' expert at finding articles to prove whatever it is that she/he wants to prove or show. She/he innundates us with links that "seem" legitimate, yet most, if not all, are usually only opinion-stated-as-fact, or worse, inciteful propaganda.

No, Neildo, it seems in today's world of "facts", we can find websites and articles that will "prove" anything that we want to show. But is it "political fact", or is it half-truth, or is it propaganda, or is it opinion-stated-as-fact?

If you can give me a solid, foolproof method of sorting through all of the bullshit and finding the "political truth", I'd be most appreciative. I've come to understand that whatever Sam posts is little more than propaganda and/or opinion-stated-as-fact.

Baron Max

Political fact? What's that? And who determines it? And who agrees with it?

As to Sam, she/he is an fuckin' expert at finding articles to prove whatever it is that she/he wants to prove or show. She/he innundates us with links that "seem" legitimate, yet most, if not all, are usually only opinion-stated-as-fact, or worse, inciteful propaganda.

No, Neildo, it seems in today's world of "facts", we can find websites and articles that will "prove" anything that we want to show. But is it "political fact", or is it half-truth, or is it propaganda, or is it opinion-stated-as-fact?

If you can give me a solid, foolproof method of sorting through all of the bullshit and finding the "political truth", I'd be most appreciative. I've come to understand that whatever Sam posts is little more than propaganda and/or opinion-stated-as-fact.

Baron Max

You're blaming me for supporting my assertions?
While you claim to have NO opinion at all?

And simply spout right wing propaganda?

MY COUNTRY right or wrong <--- this is your idea of "facts"???????:rolleyes:

You're blaming me for supporting my assertions?
While you claim to have NO opinion at all?

Blaming you??? No, of course not! What I was doing is questioning your sources as being "political truth" as 'whate-his-name' claimed.

And I also give you great credit for having so much time, and putting in so much effort, to even find those opininated articles that you post. Hell, as I see it, you have virtually no other life but doing just that ...researching the 'Net to find bad things about the USA and Israel. Yet ignoring all of the crap about your own nation, which is embroiled in worse crap than most!

Baron Max

Blaming you??? No, of course not! What I was doing is questioning your sources as being "political truth" as 'whate-his-name' claimed.

And I also give you great credit for having so much time, and putting in so much effort, to even find those opininated articles that you post. Hell, as I see it, you have virtually no other life but doing just that ...researching the 'Net to find bad things about the USA and Israel. Yet ignoring all of the crap about your own nation, which is embroiled in worse crap than most!

Baron Max

Please let me know what action in India is causing political, religious, economic and social problems for OTHER countries?

Please let me know what action in India is causing political, religious, economic and social problems for OTHER countries?

What about political, religious, economic and social problems for their OWN people? Try reading the following about India, the nation that you hold so dear and so glorious:

HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS IN INDIA

The Hindu nationalist policies espoused by India's governing Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and its affiliate organizations undermined the country's historical commitment to secular democracy. Violence against Christian, Muslim, and Dalit, or "untouchable," populations was one result. Areas of separatist violence such as Kashmir and northeast India were marked by grave human rights abuses on the part of Indian security forces and armed rebel groups. Violence against women continued, from infanticide to dowry-related deaths to attacks on women whose male relatives were sought by the police. A major campaign on Dalit rights gathered strength, but some human rights defenders were targets of a state-sponsored backlash against their activism.

Human Rights Developments

Abuses by all parties to the conflict were a critical factor behind the fighting in Kashmir. Emboldened by the successful hijacking of an Indian Airlines plane in December 1999 that secured the release of three jailed associates, pro-independence guerrillas or "militants" in the region stepped up their attacks on civilians, as well as on camps and barracks of government forces. The Indian army, operating under the Jammu and Kashmir Disturbed Areas Act and the Armed Forces (Jammu and Kashmir) Special Powers Act, continued to conduct cordon-and-search operations in Muslim neighborhoods and villages, detaining young men, assaulting other family members, and summarily executing suspected militants. Many Kashmiri civilians were killed or injured as a result of being caught in a crossfire between soldiers and militants, or in skirmishes and shelling between Indian and Pakistani troops across their countries' common border, known as the Line of Control.

In January, the Indian army, after its own investigation, announced that fifty-six of its personnel in Kashmir would be punished for committing human rights violations. The punishments ranged from discharge to denial of promotion. National and state human rights commissions, however, were barred from investigating army and paramilitary personnel.

On March 20, just before U.S. President Clinton's visit to South Asia, thirty-six Sikh men were shot dead in Chithisinghpora, Anantnag district, by unidentified gunmen reportedly dressed in army uniforms. In the weeks that followed, Sikh residents took to the streets demanding protection, while hundreds of Muslim villagers staged protests against Indian security forces. They alleged that in the aftermath of the Sikh massacre, blamed by the army on militants, many Muslim civilians had been "disappeared" or killed.

In early April, at least seven people were killed when police opened fire on Muslim protestors demanding the exhumation of the bodies of five men killed by members of the Indian army's Special Operations Group in Anantnag district. The protestors claimed that the men hadbeen detained in the aftermath of the Chithisinghpora massacre and killed in a "staged" encounter. On April 6, the charred and disfigured bodies were exhumed. DNA tests were performed to confirm their identities, but as of this writing, the government had not released the results.

On June 26, the Jammu-Kashmir state assembly approved a controversial autonomy plan that was subsequently rejected by the Indian federal cabinet. On July 24, the Hizb-ul-Mujahideen, Kashmir's largest armed guerilla group, declared a unilateral ceasefire and announced its willingness to enter into negotiations with Indian authorities. On July 29, India suspended its offensive against the group, but hopes of a peaceful resolution to the conflict were dashed by a series of massacres on August 1 and 2 that left ninety Hindu pilgrims dead in Pahalgam, in the Kashmir valley. The massacres were believed to have been carried out by militant factions opposed to the ceasefire, but reports suggested that some of the victims were killed by fire from Indian security forces. On August 8, Hizb-ul-Mujahideen called off the ceasefire, citing the Indian government's refusal to include Pakistan in three-way peace talks. Indian Home Minister L.K. Advani on August 22 rejected calls for an immediate judicial inquiry into the Pahalgam massacre.

Militants were believed responsible for several attacks against Hindus, who form a minority in the state. On August 19, a group of men carrying assault rifles entered two houses in the village of Ind, Udhampur district, and opened fire on the occupants, killing four. Two nights earlier, another group of gunmen had raided several Hindu homes in the village of Kot Dara, killing six. Some of those killed in the Kot Dara attack were reported to have been members of the local Village Defense Committee (VDC), established by the state government in the hill districts ostensibly to protect all of the region's inhabitants. The VDCs recruited their members almost exclusively from local Hindu communities, however, and were seen by militants as adjuncts of the Indian security forces.

Caste violence continued to divide the impoverished state of Bihar. There, the Ranvir Sena, a banned private militia of upper-caste landlords that had been operating with impunity since 1994, waged war on various Maoist guerrilla factions, such as the People's War Group (PWG). These guerrilla groups advocated higher wages and more equitable land distribution for lower-caste laborers. The cycle of retaliatory attacks claimed many civilian lives.

On April 25, upper-caste Rajputs shot and killed four Dalits and seriously injured three in Rohtas district, Bihar. Rajputs subsequently burned down the entire Dalit hamlet, leaving all twenty-five families homeless. The attack was reportedly in retaliation for the killing of two Rajputs a few days earlier by members of the outlawed PWG. On June 16, in Miapur village in Bihar's Aurangabad district, the Ranvir Sena slaughtered thirty-four lower-caste men, women, and children. Survivors reported that police left the scene when the attacking mob entered the village. The massacre was reportedly to avenge the killings by Maoist guerrillas of twelve upper-caste Bhumihars the week before, and thirty-four Bhumihars in March 1999. Some Ranvir Sena members were arrested in the weeks that followed, but there was no precedent for successful prosecutions in such cases.

Police blamed the July 13 killings of four upper-caste Hindus in Garwah district on the PWG. On September 13 the Maoist Communist Centre, another armed group, slit nine people's throats in Ranchi district. The victims included Muslims and tribespeople.

Bihar was not the only state affected by caste violence. On March 12, seven members of a Dalit family were burned alive in their homes by an upper-caste mob in Kolar district, Karnataka state. The attack was preceded by the stabbing of an upper-caste man in a nearby village. Although police were aware of escalating tensions in the area, they failed to take preventive action.

Attacks against Christians, which have increased significantly since the BJP came to power in March 1998, continued. By mid-year over thirty-five anti-Christian attacks had been reported throughout the country, with the states of Gujarat and Uttar Pradesh-both BJP-led-particularly hard hit.

Activists belonging to militant Hindu extremist groups such as the Bajrang Dal and the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu Council, VHP) were often blamed for the violence. Both groups are members of the sangh parivar, an umbrella Hindu organization that boasts the ruling BJP as its political wing. These Hindu groups blamed the violence on popular anger over Christian efforts to convert Hindus. While government officials at the state and central level condemned the attacks, they did little to prosecute those responsible.

On January 31 a year-long manhunt came to an end with the arrest in Orissa of Bajrang Dal activist Dara Singh. Singh was wanted in connection with several murders, including those of Australian missionary Graham Stuart Staines and his two sons in 1999. Christian relief at the arrest was tempered, however, by a state government order, believed to be aimed at limiting the activities of Christian missionaries, requiring a police inquiry before anyone adopted a new faith.

The state governments of Gujarat and Uttar Pradesh lifted a ban against civil servants joining the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (National Volunteer Corps, RSS), a sangh parivar member. In Gujarat, Delhi, and Orissa, district administrations conducted surveys to assess the activities and whereabouts of minority community members and leaders. Meanwhile, the BJP and its allies continued to implement their agenda for the "Hinduization" of education, mandating Hindu prayers in certain state-sponsored schools and revising history books to include what amounted to propaganda against Islamic and Christian communities.

On April 11, three Christian missionary schools were ransacked and six people beaten in related attacks by the Bajrang Dal in Mathura, in BJP-led Uttar Pradesh. The group sought to justify its actions by calling the schools "machines for conversion." On April 21, a group of Christians was attacked near the city of Agra. These attacks followed the beating to death of two tribal Christians in Hazaribagh, and an attack on two nuns and a priest in Mathura.

On June 7, a Catholic priest was battered to death while sleeping outside his school in Uttar Pradesh. Government officials were quick to rule out any religious motive, attributing it to burglary. Within days the sole witness to the attack, Vijay Ekka, died in police custody. Ekka had told parishioners who visited him in detention that he was being tortured by the police and that he feared for his life. Two policemen were arrested and a magisterial probe was ordered after a Christian organization filed a complaint.

In May, the National Commission for Minorities (NCM), a government agency, issued a report stating that attacks against Christians were either accidental or the unrelated actions of petty criminals. Outraged Christian activists said the report showed that the government condoned attacks on Christians. Earlier reports by the NCM, issued before it was overhauled by the central government in January, had recommended prosecutions for such attacks and accused the government of willful neglect at all levels.

In June, a series of blasts damaged Christian churches in Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, and Goa. A month later, crude bombs were set off in two more churches in Karnataka. In August, police charged members of a Muslim sect, allegedly based in Pakistan, with masterminding the attacks. Human rights activists maintained that the arrests were meant to deflect attention from Hindu hardliners' campaign of anti-Christian violence.

On July 14, the Maharashtra state government announced its intention to prosecute Bal Thackeray, leader of the right-wing Hindu organization Shiv Sena, for his role in inciting Bombay's 1992-1993 riots in which over 700 people, the vast majority of them Muslims, were killed. The decision to prosecute came two years after a government-appointed judicial commission had named Thackeray as one of those responsible for the violence. On July 25, amid rioting by Shiv Sena supporters, Thackeray was arrested only to be released a few hours later after a judge ordered the case closed on the grounds that the statute of limitations relating to the incitement charges had expired.

Violence in the northeastern states, particularly Assam, continued throughout the year, claiming many civilian casualties. Members of the United Liberation Front of Assam (ULFA), a militant group seeking Assam's independence from India, repeatedly clashed with the police and with surrendered ULFA members working with the government, known as "SULFA." The Bodo Liberation Tigers (BLT) fighting for a separate homeland for the Bodo tribal people extended their ceasefire by one year beginning September 15.

In April, the Law Commission of India recommended the introduction of the Prevention of Terrorism Bill into parliament. If enacted, the bill would reinstate a modified version of the notorious Terrorist and Disruptive Activities (Prevention) Act (TADA), repealed in 1995. TADA had facilitated tens of thousands of unjustified arrests, torture, and other violations against political opponents, social activists, and human rights defenders. Human rights organizations protested against the bill arguing that, if enacted, it would have similar effects.

In a positive move, the law commission also called for sweeping changes to the country's rape laws following an increase in the incidence of sexual violence. Women's rights activists welcomed this recommendation. Female infanticide persisted as the female to male ratio continued to drop-a reflection of the lower status of women and girls, who were more likely to be deprived of food, education, or health services, or to be seen as an economic liability under the dowry system.

Women whose relatives were sought by the police continued to be detained. In February, in Tamil Nadu, twelve women were illegally detained and tortured and repeatedly sexually assaulted in custody because of their ties to a suspected robber who had himself died in police custody. The National Human Rights Commission, a government-appointed body, also took particular note of alarming numbers of deaths in police custody.

Police brutality against Muslim students of the Jamia Millia Islamia, an institution of higher education in Delhi, made national headlines. On April 9, while searching for two criminal suspects, hundreds of police broke into one of the institution's dormitories and physically assaulted Muslim students, destroyed their property, and vandalized the campus mosque.

Two days earlier, members of the State Reserve Police beat and arrested up to forty-six demonstrators following a protest against the proposed Maroli-Umbergaon Port Project in Gujarat. While all were released on bail within forty-eight hours, six of the protesters were beaten in custody by police. One, Col. (retired) Pratap Save, suffered a brain hemorrhage, went into a coma, and died from his injuries on April 20.

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Yep, India ....the land of milk and honey for all its citizens! :D

Baron Max

Blah blah blah to cover up for US international crimes

Baron Max

Yup MY COUNTRY right or wrong.

Now tell me how India is affecting OTHER COUNTRIES.

We are a sovereign nation. Our internal problems are no one else's business.:cool:

We are a sovereign nation. Our internal problems are no one else's business.

Can I quote you on that ....when you bring up some internal issues or problems or events that occur in the USA? Hmm?

And what about the nation of Israel? Aren't you stickin' your nose into the internal affairs of Israel? ...yet you claim that it's no one else's businsess?

Baron Max

Can I quote you on that ....when you bring up some internal issues or problems or events that occur in the USA? Hmm?

And what about the nation of Israel? Aren't you stickin' your nose into the internal affairs of Israel? ...yet you claim that it's no one else's businsess?

Baron Max

Only because it affects me politically (Indo-Pak relations), socially (bomb blasts due to terrorists created by US), economically (US controls world economy) and religiously (I'm a Muslim). Otherwise, who gives a rats ass?

Only because it affects me politically..., socially..., economically... and religiously .... Otherwise, who gives a rats ass?

How does it affect you, Sam? Really and seriously, how does it affect you.

Let's say, for example, that you didn't hear anything about such happenings in the news or on the 'Net ....would your life actually change if a bunch of people are killed in 'xyz'? How does your life change ...WITHOUT the news telling you about the event?

Baron Max

How does it affect you, Sam? Really and seriously, how does it affect you.

Let's say, for example, that you didn't hear anything about such happenings in the news or on the 'Net ....would your life actually change if a bunch of people are killed in 'xyz'? How does your life change ...WITHOUT the news telling you about the event?

Baron Max

During the first bomb blast in Bombay, I was close enough to smell the smoke (and see it). The second one (in the trains) was very close to my house. Its much more real for me than it is for you.

During the first bomb blast in Bombay, I was close enough to smell the smoke (and see it). The second one (in the trains) was very close to my house. Its much more real for me than it is for you.

That, of course, is a little different. But if 450 gazillion Palestinians were killed, how would it affect you ...IF YOU NEVER HEARD ABOUT IT? Or if Africa sunk beneath the waves of the ocean, how would it actually affect you ...IF YOU DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT IT?

See? The sensationalist news reports is the only way most of us are affected by all the crap in the world. Ignorance really is blissful, Sam, try it, you'll like it! :D

Baron Max

That, of course, is a little different. But if 450 gazillion Palestinians were killed, how would it affect you ...IF YOU NEVER HEARD ABOUT IT? Or if Africa sunk beneath the waves of the ocean, how would it actually affect you ...IF YOU DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT IT?

See? The sensationalist news reports is the only way most of us are affected by all the crap in the world. Ignorance really is blissful, Sam, try it, you'll like it! :D

Baron Max

I almost lost a friend in the World Trade Center (yes there were Indians too), I could easily have been on the train that was blown up, it was a route I used every day for 8 years.

Ignorance is not bliss. Did 9/11 not teach you that?

I could easily have been on the train that was blown up, it was a route I used every day for 8 years.

But you weren't on it, were you? And you weren't in Gaza when the 450 gazillion Palestinians were killed. And you weren't in Iran when the earthquake hit. And you weren't on the islands in Asia when the tsunami hit. Etc. etc. ....you only heard about it on sensationalist news programs.

Ignorance is not bliss. Did 9/11 not teach you that?

After 9/11, I fell off the wagon for a little while, but it was only becuase of the sensationalist news reports, etc. I was sitting right here, working on writing my novel, when 9/11 occured. I didn't even know about it for several hours. After breakfast, I went back to the computer and when my homepage came up ....there it was ...sensationalism at it's best!

The only thing that actually changed in my life, Sam, was the news reports and the sensationalism. Had I not heard any of it, nothing would have changed in my life. and I suspect that's true in your life, as well.

No, Sam, it's really true .....ignorance really is blissful.

Baron Max

But you weren't on it, were you? And you weren't in Gaza when the 450 gazillion Palestinians were killed. And you weren't in Iran when the earthquake hit. And you weren't on the islands in Asia when the tsunami hit. Etc. etc. ....you only heard about it on sensationalist news programs.



After 9/11, I fell off the wagon for a little while, but it was only becuase of the sensationalist news reports, etc. I was sitting right here, working on writing my novel, when 9/11 occured. I didn't even know about it for several hours. After breakfast, I went back to the computer and when my homepage came up ....there it was ...sensationalism at it's best!

The only thing that actually changed in my life, Sam, was the news reports and the sensationalism. Had I not heard any of it, nothing would have changed in my life. and I suspect that's true in your life, as well.

No, Sam, it's really true .....ignorance really is blissful.

Baron Max

Well I'm glad you can dissociate yourself from the world like that. I cannot. There, but for the grace of God...

Think about it, Sam .....in the old days, it took months for news to reach other parts of the world. Had 9/11 occured in the early 1600s, would it have affected anyone in India for months and months?

Baron Max

Think about it, Sam .....in the old days, it took months for news to reach other parts of the world. Had 9/11 occured in the early 1600s, would it have affected anyone in India for months and months?

Baron Max

No because then we wouldn't care that you had nuclear weapons and were conducting a baseless war on terror, with a propensity to extreme violence and mass murder.

samcdkey, who was responsible for those bomb blast? fellow Moslems terrorist, the people you defend with your moral relativism? and why were they bombing India in the first place, what has India done to them to piss them off.

How did I guess?

http://www.countercurrents.org/comm-engineer230903.htm

First we would like to throw some light on the recent bomb blast. The police maintains that one Sayyad Mohammad, his wife and daughter were involved in these bomb blasts in Mumbai on black Monday i.e. on 25th August. The police also says that this was organised by an organisation called the Gujarat Muslim Revenge Force backed by Jaish-e-Muhammad and Lashkar-i-Tayyaba of Pakistan. Also we read news about suicide bombing regularly in Kashmir as well as in Palestine and other places.

Suicide bombing promoted by these Pak-based organisations, to say the least, is totally prohibited by Islam. The Imam of Al-Azhar Mosque, Cairo, also said in his lecture in Malaysia that suicide is haram (prohibited) in Islam. And suicide bombing is doubly prohibited as it takes lives of innocent people and often they happen to be children, women and old persons. There is no way that such acts can at all be justified.

The Qur'an says that killing one person without justification amounts to killing whole humanity and saving one life amounts to saving whole humanity (5:32). Thus the Qur'an has very rigorous standards about respecting the right to live and no one has right to deprive others of this right to take revenge or otherwise except through due process of law. Also, no one has right to kill non-combatants even if one has waging jihad. Shari'ah law strictly prohibits killing non-combatants, children, women and old people. And in such bomb blasts or suicide bombing only such people get killed.

It seem to be a ignore sura', throughout Islam's history.

Mujahideen trained and empowered by US CIA. Coming in through Pakistan, US ally.

The Lashkar-e-Toiba was first involved in the Mujahideen militance against Soviet forces in Afghanistan in the 1980s and early 1990s. Subsequently, it began operations in the Indian administered Jammu & Kashmir (J&K) and has been involved in the fight against Indian presence there.

No Sam, a Moslem Terrorist, carrying out their own agenda, against India, so what did India do to piss them of?

No Buffalo a group of fundamentalists that had no power until trained and funded by CIA.

Same group that produced the Al-Qaeda, Taliban (what did Afghanistan ever do to them?)
the Lashkar-e Toiba (what did Pakistan ever do to them?) and the Gujarat Muslim Revenge Force.

All trained by those who were trained by the CIA.

It would appear that the actions of the USA, real or imagined, have become the general excuse for all human failings.

Simple, convenient, and entirely erroneous.

It would appear that the actions of the USA, real or imagined, have become the general excuse for all human failings.

Simple, convenient, and entirely erroneous.

And still unfortunately, ongoing.
http://www.esuhistoryprof.com/I%20Want%20You%20To%20Invade%20Iraq.jpg

Ignorance is not bliss. Did 9/11 not teach you that?
No because then we wouldn't care that you had nuclear weapons and were conducting a baseless war on terror, with a propensity to extreme violence and mass murder.
Can you spot the inconsistency here?

Without reading through the whole thread, the French President said exactly the same: if they are attacked they have the right to use nukes.

So what is so special about the Iranian position? By the way Iran still doesn't have a nuke, he is bluffing....

It would appear that the actions of the USA, real or imagined, have become the general excuse for all human failings.

Simple, convenient, and entirely erroneous.

Please prove that the numerous actions that the U.S. have done never happened, and maybe then you'd have a leg to stand on with your erroneous claim.

There's a reason why we're the sole superpower in the world. These are the things that come along with being it. You get your hands dirty and get knee deep in the mud to keep everyone else from obtaining that equal power so we remain on top.

C'mon, show us that of all the troubles of the world today, we never created, supported, and otherwise funded the groups we're fighting today. Show us we've never overthrown their good leaders to replace them with the bad ones. Show us that the ungodly number of covert actions that were kept from the House and Senate never happened.

I'll pay you $1,000 if you can do it. This is America, Land of Capitalism, lemme see you put your money where your mouth is since your beliefs are so strong and true. Be careful tho, you're gonna have to prove the House, CIA, NSA, and numerous other government agencies wrong as I have all the documentation needed to prove you wrong.

- N

Without reading through the whole thread, the French President said exactly the same: if they are attacked they have the right to use nukes.

So what is so special about the Iranian position? By the way Iran still doesn't have a nuke, he is bluffing....

I believe it's called, as the right like to say, "sensationalism"? Unfortunately, they like to pick and choose who gets to do and say what. Israel, the U.S., and France get to say and do all the retaliatory attacks they want, but if someone else dares say it, they're bad guys. Mmhmm..

- N

The mind boggles at the justifications!!

How do they ever keep track of the enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy of my enemy?
Markov chains! That's what Google supposedly uses... :p

Please prove that the numerous actions that the U.S. have done never happened, and maybe then you'd have a leg to stand on with your erroneous claim...

- N
Actually, I don't need to show you a goddamn thing. I'd like to know how you managed to conclude that my comment on the US being the current whipping boy for narrow minded dweebs like you meant that I believed they hadn't been dabbling in world affairs. That's quite a leap. America has been interfering in world affairs for decades, and I never said otherwise. Every group on earth with any power whatsoever has been for millennia. The common term for it is human nature.
I'd advise you to take your comment, Nieldo, copy it out again on paper and shove it up your nether regions. Then, when it comes out again a few hours later, you'll see it is now covered in what it was worth.

That Iranian stance is quite clever really. Half the western world will now accuse America of forcing them to develop nuclear weapons (if they didn't already), when they actually do develop them. You have to hand it to them, they certainly know their enemy. Far better than the west knows them, it appears.

Actually, I don't need to show you a goddamn thing.

Typical.

I'd like to know how you managed to conclude that my comment on the US being the current whipping boy for narrow minded dweebs like you meant that I believed they hadn't been dabbling in world affairs.

Because when people have made posts mentioning such, at least twice in the same day you've responded saying blah blah blah, erroneous claims, with nothing to back up your statement in a very O'Reilly fashion.

- N

That would be difficult. I only made one post in this thread. The other was something about poetry in Art Culture, which had nothing to do with politics or the US at all.

I suggest you point out where I said that America are innocent of interference, apparently twice in one day. Go ahead. I want it quoted, right here. Let's see what you come up with.

I apologize, it was two other people, aside from your one comment, that made that said the "erroneous claims" making the U.S. an easy scapegoat. The wordings were quite similar so it thought they were from the same person.

However, my offer still stands about showing how the U.S. doesn't have anything to do with the actions of terrorists today. Show us how we aren't currently reaping what we sowed. Show us how the U.S. is a mere scapegoat and nothing more.

- N

I believe the violence in the middle east is about to end in a remarkable display of Darwinism.

I believe the violence in the middle east is about to end in a remarkable display of Darwinism.Enlighten us how Muslim radicalsim will go away.