I have read with interest recent reprots into Iran testing various new missles.

Do i laugh i should i think shit the iranians have some potential to give the US a bit of a bloody nose if attacked!!!

Thoughts please gentleman and ladies

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You mean they developed the Jet Pack ?

Or perhaps the internal combustion engine?

Basicly they went to a hobby store and bought a two stage rocket.

whats a hobby store

the jet pack is quite cool.

perhaps they could do some Jango Fett action

I have read with interest recent reprots into Iran testing various new missles.

Do i laugh i should i think shit the iranians have some potential to give the US a bit of a bloody nose if attacked!!!

Thoughts please gentleman and ladies
a 'bloody nose'?? what kind of an understatement is THAT...?!!!!!!!!!

a bloody nose is what yo dont even get on te STREEt now...maybe a knife or a bullet. but....for te kindsof wars they do?

and do you think Bush will, or Bliar?.....i can see them walkin round happy as larry whilst many many many people including their sons and daughters/soldiers are getting much M U C H more than bleedin bloody noses, and also are getting seriously poisoned with depleted uranium!!...long lingering awful deaths, which also will affect their children!!!!!!

I have read with interest recent reprots into Iran testing various new missles.

Do i laugh i should i think shit the iranians have some potential to give the US a bit of a bloody nose if attacked!!!

Thoughts please gentleman and ladies
Last Updated: Wednesday, 5 April 2006, 18:24 GMT 19:24 UK


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Iran 'in further missile tests'



Iran has been conducting tests in the Gulf and Arabian Sea

Iran has successfully test fired a "top secret" missile - the third in a week, according to state-run Iranian TV.

The missile was an "ultra-horizon" weapon that could be fired from all types of military vehicles, the television report said.

The weapon was fired as the climax of a series of tests and military exercises by Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard troops, it added.

The tests come amid rising tensions over Iran's nuclear programme.

Earlier this week, Iran tested what it says is the world's fastest underwater missile, designed to elude radar and destroy enemy submarines.

National TV programmes were interrupted to show footage of the missile being fired into the Gulf and destroying a derelict ship.

That came two days after forces tested a conventional missile capable of being equipped with multiple warheads.

The Iranian TV report on the latest weapon said the country's experts were the first in the world to test a missile that needed no over-the-horizon-targeting (OTHT) instrument to find its target.

Uranium row

The week-long tests have been conducted in the Gulf and Arabian Sea.

The underwater missile, called Hoot, or Whale, could be deployed on Iranian ships in the oil-rich area, which is home to the US 5th Fleet.

Iranian military chiefs said it would be fired from ships with technology to avoid radar detection.

Friday's test demonstrated the Fajr-3 missile, also designed to escape radar and capable of hitting several targets with multiple warheads.

The United Nations Security Council has demanded Iran stop enriching uranium, which Tehran insists is part of a civilian nuclear energy programme.

The US says Iran is aiming to develop nuclear weapons, and is seeking sanctions.


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"the world's fastest underwater missile,"


Yeah muslims are well known for inventions, be they weapons or products, or vaccines, or medicines, after 10 years of looking on google i just cant find one?

Why is that, 1 billion population, what have muslims contributed to the world on any level?


Iran can test all the missiles it wants, it can flex its armies muscles, but the stark reality is like france & russia, muslim countries could not fight there way out of a paper bag, even if they get nukes it probably would misfire & blow up on there own soil, if after thousands of years of no inventions of anykind, do we honestly believe they are capable of launching nukes, without blowing themselves up, maybe if they hire expat westerners to develope everthing they might suceed.

Israels birth is a testomony to muslims fighting abilities

The Brits relied heavily on muslims in fighting the Ottoman empire and the very first muslim empire kicked the ass of both the Byzantines and the Sassanians, and the Abbassid empire was far beyond the rest of the world (or at least Europe) in terms of science and technology - so there's no necessary connection between being muslim and being bad at fighting or academics.

Iran's military is considerable, and attacking them is no small matter. They are sabre-rattling in response to our own (reports that we are considering nuking their underground uranium enrichment facilities), which seems to be what nations do before a real conflict.

The Brits relied heavily on muslims in fighting the Ottoman empire and the very first muslim empire kicked the ass of both the Byzantines and the Sassanians, and the Abbassid empire was far beyond the rest of the world (or at least Europe) in terms of science and technology - so there's no necessary connection between being muslim and being bad at fighting or academics.


There is a big difference between waving a sword around centuries ago & flying a plane today, and armies of today, any tit can wave a sword around, ask luke skywalker.

The big question is one billion people are incapable of inventing things, muslims are so far behind us its a joke, the saudis, the kuwaities have had tens of thousands of western engineers etc etc, for decades, because there locals could not strike a match without western help.

every bit of technology they are capable of using was invented in the west, every medicine they use to heal themselves was made in the west.

And when bird flu kicks off, guess what it will be the west who will save the muslim world from mass death.

I have no doubt if we were all fighting with swords today, then the danes, the japs, and the arabs would reign supreme, but were not are we?

we are fighting with technology, and the only thing arabs know about hi tech is the on & off switches on there western made televisions.

Once again has anyone got a answer why 1 billion muslims, have not invented anything, what have they been doing for thousands of years besides praying, if they are the same as us, i know what the brits & yanks & japs have invented practically everthing your looking at from your computer to the light bulb, to your phone & thousands of other things besides.






Here is a muslim comical site, were muslims lay claim to western inventions like gunpowder, guns, telescopes, its just so fucking sad they invented none of these 3 things, after checking the first 3 claims i gave up, another muslim propaganda site, no dounbt they claim to have landed on the moon first too.



http://www.netmuslims.com/info/inventions.html

"Muslims distinguished themselves not only as theoretical scientists and scientific thinkers, but contributed through innumerable inventions to the growth of the modern sciences."



LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

http://www.pubquizhelp.34sp.com/hist/invent.html

A list of famous inventions and the person who invented them

A list detailing well known inventions and discoveries in common use, and the creative thinking inventor responsible for inventing such important devices. The year each invention was invented is also listed which is either the year in which the item was patented or was publicly displayed without a patent.
Invention Inventor Invented
A/C current Charles Proteus Steinmetz 1895
Adhesive tape Richard Drew - 3M 1930
Aeroplane Wilbur and Orville Wright 1903
Aerosols Erik Rotheim 1927
Air Conditioning Willis Haviland 1902
Airship Henri Giffard 1852
Anemometer Leon Battista Alberti 1450
Antibiotics - Penicillin Alexander Fleming 1928
Aqualung Jacques Cousteau 1943
ATM Don Wetzel 1968
Ball Point pen Ladislao and Georg Biro 1938
Balloon Jacques & Joseph Montgolfier 1783
Bar Code Joseph Woodland and Bernard Silver 1952
Barbie Doll Ruth Handler 1959
Barometer Evangelista Torricelli 1643
Battery Alessandro Volta 1799
Bicycle Kirkpatrick McMillan 1839
Bicycle (with crank) Pierre and Ernest Michaux 1861
Bunsen burner Robert Wilhelm Bunsen 1855
Calculator (pocket) Jack Kilby 1967
Camera George Eastmann 1888
Car Nicholas Cugnot 1769
Cinema Auguste & Louis Lumiere 1895
Coffee (instant) Nestle 1937
Credit Card Ralph Scheider 1950
Diesel Engine Rudolf Diesel 1892
Elastic Thomas Hancock 1820
Escalator Jesse W Reno 1892
Fax (photo-electric system) Dr Arthur Korn 1902
Fax (concept) Edouard Belin 1914
Fountain pen Lewis Edson Waterman 1884
Hair dryer (electric) Alexandre Godefoy 1890
Helicopter Paul Cornu 1907
Hot-air Balloon Montgolfier brothers 1783
Hovercraft Christopher Cockerell 1955
Ice-cream (dairy mass-produced) Jacob Fussell 1851
Ice-cream cone Italo Marcioni 1896
Internal combustion engine Etienne Lenoir 1862
Iron (electric) Henry W Seely 1882
Jeans Levi Strauss 1850
Kettle (electric) Arthur Leslie Large 1922
Laser Theodore Maiman 1960
Lego Godtfred Kirk Christiansen 1955
Light Bulb (electric) Thomas Alva Edison 1880
Matches (safety) Gustav Pasch 1844
Microwave oven Percy LeBaron Spencer 1945
Morse code Samuel Morse 1838
Motorcycle Gottleib Daimler 1885
Oven (electric) Carpenter Electric Heating Man. Co. 1891
Pasteurisation Louis Pasteur 1862
Penny Farthing James Starley 1870
Photograph Joseph Niepce 1826
Photographic Film George Eastman 1889
Piano (Hammerklavier) Bartolommeo Cristofori 1709
Plastic (celluloid) John Wesley Hyatt 1869
Potato chips George Crum 1853
Printing press (wooden) Johannes Gutenburg circa 1450
Railway (first passenger steam) George Stephenson 1825
Refrigerator
(both inventors at the same time) James Harrison (Australia)
Alexander Catlin Twining (US) 1850
Rubber (vulcanized) Charles Goodyear 1839
Rubicks Cube Erno Rubik 1975
Safety belts (car seat belts) Volvo 1949
Safety pin Walter Hunt 1849
Sewing machine Barthelemy Thimonnier 1830
Silicon Chip Texas Instruments 1961
Spinning Jenny James Hargreaves 1764
Steam locomotive Richard Trevithick 1801
Stainless Steel Henry Brearley 1913
Sun tan lotion Eugene Schueller 1936
Table Tennis James Gibb 1890
Telegraph W.F.Cooke and Charles Wheatstone 1838
Telephone Antonio Meucci 1860
Telescope Hans Lippershey
Galileo Galilei made his own in 1609 1608
Television John Logie Baird 1926
Thermometer (medical) Thomas Allbutt 1867
Toaster Charles Strite 1927
Travel Agency Thomas Cook 1841
Typewriter William A Burt 1829
Typewriter (electric) Dr Thaddeus Cahill 1901
Toaster (electric) Crompton and Co (UK) 1893
Tyre (pneumatic) John Dunlop 1888
Vaccine - Anthrax Louis Pasteur 1881
Vaccine - Cholera Louis Pasteur 1880
Vaccine - Rabies Louis Pasteur 1885
Vaccine - Smallpox Edward Jenner 1796
Vacuum Cleaner (electric) Hurbert Cecil Booth 1901
Velcro Georges de Mestral 1948
Washing machine (electric) Alva Fisher 1906
Watch Peter Henlein 1509
X-rays Wilhelm Rontgen 1895
Zip fastener Whitcombe L Judson 1892

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1 billion muslims, yet i dont see one in the above list of inventors, why is that????????

Sounds like vincent28uk is doing some saber-rattling of his own. It would be a mistake to underestimate the power and technological sophistication of Persian and Arab nations.

The American lead in science may not last long if the Neo-Cons stay in charge.

Actually America's invention boom dropped off in the early 90's. They've been surpassed by China and the EU. Oh and I don't recall too many governments offering news on state-run news channels about 'top secret' missile tests, sounds bogus.

Last Updated: Wednesday, 5 April 2006, 18:24 GMT 19:24 UK



Iran can test all the missiles it wants, it can flex its armies muscles, but the stark reality is like france & russia, muslim countries could not fight there way out of a paper bag, even if they get nukes it probably would misfire & blow up on there own soil, if after thousands of years of no inventions of anykind, do we honestly believe they are capable of launching nukes, without blowing themselves up, maybe if they hire expat westerners to develope everthing they might suceed.

Israels birth is a testomony to muslims fighting abilities


The arabs are shit i grant you that, their military officers and leaders are a pretty uneducated bunch who dont give shit and the ones with just a little military know how are usually silenced by their Political leader, who in their egotistical manner think they are some military genuis.

Its the trainign and the eduction which is crap.

The Iranians are not uneducated, they are a modern and relatively sophisticated nation, and many of the younger generation loves American culture and values.

The Iranians are not uneducated, they are a modern and relatively sophisticated nation, and many of the younger generation loves American culture and values.
i never said the iranians.

it was the arabs i was talking about and i did not mean every Arab,

http://www.pubquizhelp.34sp.com/hist/invent.html

A list of famous inventions and the person who invented them

1 billion muslims, yet i dont see one in the above list of inventors, why is that????????

How about none of those inventions would, nor your own government, be possible , if not for Arabs?

:)

- N

i never said the iranians.

it was the arabs i was talking about and i did not mean every Arab,- Kind of off topic to speak about arabs, though, seeing that Iran is mainly Persian, not arab :l

From my previous posts:

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Muslims were responsible for the major advancements in medicinal technology, and the popularizing of many herbal remedies and synthesis of medicines. Muslims were the first to measure the Earth's diameter fairly accurately. Muslims were responsible for inventing the astrolabe which led to the creation of the modern compass. Muslims in the early era of Islam were the first to popularize wind technology and expanded wind power in the world. Muslims were the first to expand on and develop new ways of irriagtion and water storage after the romans. Muslim architecture lead tot he perfection of the dome, and the magnificient mosques and buildings in the Muslim world, of which the most famous are the Masjid Al Haram, Alhambra, Taj Mahal, etc. Muslims were the first to invent soap and bathe atleast weekly as is stated in the books of Sunnah, they popularized the concept of cleanliness and bathing regularly. Islamic nations were the first to make doctors swear by an oath to serve and not disclose information on patients. Islamic education systems were the first to have specialties in many new fields of medicine and were the foundation of modern medicinal studies. Muslims were the first to argue that reason can be used to prove faith, which also influenced other religious propagandists. Muslims were responsible for inventing the cannons, and started using gunpowder in warfare. Muslims were the first to synthesize organic molecules with reactions. Muslims invented the entire concept of Algebra and also were the first to use the concept of zero in calculations. The Islamic civilizationw as the first civilization in history which agreed to the concepts all races are equal. Islam preached as a religion and earning your wage is also worship, and Muslims united the Silk road under one rulership and guaranteed the safety of the travellers. Muslims sailors sailed to various regions of the world and had already mapped asia and africa before the european's started their age of discovery of the new worlds. Muslims banks made it easy to deposit money in one area of the empire and withdraw from another, this trust was carried out by private businessment and also the Islamic government. etc...
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Muslim scholars also laid the foundations of mathematics. Muslims were the first to recognize the importance of and use the zero effectively, borrowed from the Indians, bringing to Europe what is now called "Arabic numerals". Otherwise, the scientists and mathematicians of Europe would probably still be counting on their fingers or fumbling with clumsy roman numerals when analyzing data. Muhammad bin Mousa Al-Khawarizmi is considered the founder of modern algebra, and the mathematicians that followed made ever more impressive contributions. Ghiath Edden Al-Kashi, approximated pi to 16 places past the decimal point. The system know as Pascal’s triangle, which assists in factoring equations in the form of (a + b)n, was developed by Al-Karkhi, and not Louis Pascal. Later Muslim mathematicians were able to factor equations as complex as fourth degree equations; fifth degree equations are impossible to factor. (Mahmoud 137-147) The contribution of Muslim mathematicians to algebra is integral to the development of all sciences as mathematics is frequently referred to as the language of science. Newton would have had quite a difficult time quantitatively describing his laws of motion without using the algebra first implemented by the Muslims.

http://www.islamfortoday.com/scholars.htm
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Medicine in Islam

Muslim Heritage

Setting the Record Straight

To name a few.

I hope this helps.

Peace.

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=1027751#post1027751

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Originally Posted by Vasilidante
Hello young scientists,

I was trying to find links on contributions made to society be the Ottoman Empire or technology pioneeered and couldnt find any. Can someone point a few out to me, i know there must be many.

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Recognition and Archiving Knowledge of Modern Diseases

Training of Specialists in Medicial Field

Modern Primary School System

Wind Power in early Islamic History

Construction of Complex Dams and Hydraulic Technology

Early Muslim Science Discoveries

1001 Achievements of Islam

Islamic contributions

Essay on Islam and Medicine

Islamic Technology and Europe

Islamic Medicine

Islamic Contributions to Science and Math

Arab and Muslim Influence on Sciences

Muslim Scientists

Peace.

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=1023621#post1023621

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Also guys, you have to learn that the majority of Arabs have traditionally been beduions and herders, they really were occupied with living to worry about discovery and science, however this changed at the start of the Islamic era. Islam brought vast amounts of genius and technology and knowledge among the Arabs. It made them the top in their words at their time. Zakariya, you and I are Muslim and have what we have of material possession and culture thanks to the early Arabs. We should be grateful to them as well as the other rulers of the Islamic world.

Peace.

And yet many of them still live in the Stone Age.

Well its all fine and dandy that they invented these things- it is important to note the current condition of their society and the contributions they currently make to society. Besides redefining suicide technology I cant think of anything.

Don't forget about the Code of Laws.

- N

Well its all fine and dandy that they invented these things- it is important to note the current condition of their society and the contributions they currently make to society. Besides redefining suicide technology I cant think of anything.

Well said.

It's nice that America contributed to so many positive things of the past, but that was then, this is now. Now other countries are ahead of us in developing new technology and we have nothing good to contribute except warring with other nations.

- N

I have read with interest recent reprots into Iran testing various new missles.

Do i laugh i should i think shit the iranians have some potential to give the US a bit of a bloody nose if attacked!!!

Thoughts please gentleman and ladies

m i s s i l e

Iran Leader: Israel Will Be Annihilated (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060414/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_israel_2;_ylt=AhWIocQYTUBozPyrrP4rXVdSw60A;_y lu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl)
AP - 14 minutes ago
TEHRAN, Iran - The president of Iran again lashed out at Israel on Friday and said it was "heading toward annihilation," just days after Tehran raised fears about its nuclear activities by saying it successfully enriched uranium for the first time. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called Israel a "permanent threat" to the Middle East that will "soon" be liberated.

An Open Post To President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad;

Okay...As the young folk in the great state of Brooklyn say; "Don't talk about it - Be about it!!!"

All this talking is gonna do nothing but get Iran nuked!!! Please stop the rhetoric Mr. Ahmadinejad. Iran has too many people who don't feel as you do. Getting them nuked because you continue to talk this trash is stupid. If you feel that this country is such a "permanent threat" to the Middle East", stop flapping your gums and DO something.

Taking a lesson from the streets of my beautiful state of Brooklyn - all this talking with no action will accomplish one of two things: 1}Get you shot or 2}have everyone calling you a punk ass bastard.

Diamondheart, yes they did some very interesting things 1500 years ago, but this is today what have they given us now, a better suicide belt, great vidio of them cutting off some poor souls head while they chant Allah aqBar, as DKB 218 said show us something, other than brag about your past,the past is a bucket of ash, and what have muslems showen us today but punk mouth?

Diamondheart, yes they did some very interesting things 1500 years ago, but this is today what have they given us now, a better suicide belt, great vidio of them cutting off some poor souls head while they chant Allah aqBar, as DKB 218 said show us something, other than brag about your past,the past is a bucket of ash, and what have muslems showen us today but punk mouth?

1500 years ago Islam didn't exist. The Golden Age of Islamic renaissance and discovery continued until the end of the Ottoman Empire in the early 1900's. The 700s to the 1800s is a long time to be in a golden age.

You are right on one point, that Islamic discovery and science has been lacking ever since the destruction of the Turkish Khilafah and the occupation of Muslim lands by the Europeans and the placing of dictators and drawing up of fake boundaries to create friction and war among later decades. You see the consequence, instability, dictatorship by western puppets, and obeying each and every command the West dictates.

Peace.

You are right on one point, that Islamic discovery and science has been lacking ever since the destruction of the Turkish Khilafah and the occupation of Muslim lands by the Europeans and the placing of dictators and drawing up of fake boundaries to create friction and war among later decades. You see the consequence, instability, dictatorship by western puppets, and obeying each and every command the West dictates.

Peace.

Watch out, people are gonna say that's all lies and propoganda, you terrorist-sympathizing, conspiracy theorist!

:rolleyes:

- N

You are right on one point, that Islamic discovery and science has been lacking ever since the destruction of the Turkish Khilafah and the occupation of Muslim lands by the Europeans and the placing of dictators and drawing up of fake boundaries to create friction and war among later decades. You see the consequence, instability, dictatorship by western puppets, and obeying each and every command the West dictates.

Peace.- Don't think you'll convince anyone unless you get down to specifics

Sèvres, Treaty of


1920, peace treaty concluded after World War I at Sèvres, France, between the Ottoman Empire (Turkey), on the one hand, and the Allies (excluding Russia and the United States) on the other. The treaty, which liquidated the Ottoman Empire and virtually abolished Turkish sovereignty, followed in the main the decisions reached at San Remo (see San Remo, Conference of). In Asia, Turkey renounced sovereignty over Mesopotamia (Iraq) and Palestine (including Transjordan), which became British mandates; Syria (including Lebanon), which became a French mandate; and the kingdom of Hejaz. Turkey retained Anatolia but was to grant autonomy to Kurdistan. Armenia became a separate republic under international guarantees, and Smyrna (now Izmir) and its environs was placed under Greek administration pending a plebiscite to determine its permanent status. In Europe, Turkey ceded parts of E Thrace and certain Aegean islands to Greece, and the Dodecanese and Rhodes to Italy, retaining only Constantinople and its environs, including the Zone of the Straits (see Dardanelles), which was neutralized and internationalized. The Allies further obtained virtual control over the Turkish economy. The treaty was accepted by the government of Sultan Muhammad VI at Constantinople but was rejected by the rival nationalist government of Kemal Atatürk at Ankara. Ataturk’s separate treaty with the USSR and his subsequent victories against the Greeks forced the Allies to negotiate a new treaty in 1923 (see Lausanne, Treaty of).


1922–23. The peace treaty (see Sèvres, Treaty of) imposed by the Allies on the Ottoman Empire after World War I had virtually destroyed Turkey as a national state. The treaty was not recognized by the nationalist government under Mustafa Kemal Pasha (later known as Atatürk). After the nationalist victory over the Greeks and the overthrow of the sultan, Kemal’s government was in a position to request a new peace treaty. Accordingly, the signatories of the Treaty of Sèvres and delegates of the USSR (excluded from the previous treaty) met at Lausanne, Switzerland. After lengthy negotiations a peace treaty was signed in 1923. Turkey recovered E Thrace, several Aegean islands, a strip along the Syrian border, the Smyrna district, and the internationalized Zone of the Straits, which, however, was to remain demilitarized and remain subject to an international convention (see Dardanelles). Turkey recovered full sovereign rights over all its territory, and foreign zones of influence and capitulations (see Ottoman Empire) were abolished. Outside the Zone of the Straits, no limitation was imposed on the Turkish military establishment. No reparations were exacted. In return, Turkey renounced all claims on former Turkish territories outside its new boundaries and undertook to guarantee the rights of its minorities. A separate agreement between Greece and Turkey provided for the compulsory exchange of minorities.

http://www.bartleby.com/65/se/Sevres-T.html


A photo of the Treaty of Lausanne's boundaries in the old Turkey: http://www.hri.org/docs/lausanne/arab.gif

1920
In 1919, the British and French implemented the 1916 Sykes-Picot Agreement and divided the Arab world into nation-states. The League of Nations recognized these borders and allotted "mandates" to the French and British to govern these states until it was determined that they were ready for independence.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/globalconnections/mideast/maps/poltext.html

Not much has changed, eh?

Authors of the letter from America tells the Muslims: "Your human dignity, no less than ours - your rights and opportunities for a good life, no less than ours - are what we believe we're fighting for." May we then ask: Did you fight for the rights of the millions of oppressed Palestinians as vigorously in the last 30 years as you fought for the rights of 2,800 dead in the last five months. Do you intend to kill thousands upon thousands Israelis for Israel's thirty five years occupation as you are doing to Iraq for its few months occupation of Kuwait? Certainly not. Why then this double speak? The only answer to such hypocrisy is not mere education, but education with the mass awareness and mobilisation of the Muslims to struggle for themselves, in all possible ways, for their rights as equal citizens on this planet

http://icssa.org/ICSS%20-%20waronIslam_the_way_out.htm

Peace.

The only answer to such hypocrisy is not mere education, but education with the mass awareness and mobilisation of the Muslims to struggle for themselves, in all possible ways, for their rights as equal citizens on this planet
If the "insurgents" would stop struggling and get to work at productive activities, the US would be happy to leave and Iraq could enjoy a renaisance.

As far as the West's culpability for breaking up the Ottoman Empire:
At the beginning of November 1914, the Ottoman Empire, the world's greatest independent Islamic power, abandoned its ambivalent neutrality towards the warring parties, and became a belligerent in the conflict, with the sultan declaring a military jihad (holy war) against France, Russia and Great BritainParticipation in what had begun as a European war might seem to outside observers, therefore, to have been suicidal, but key elements in the government, impressed by German industrial and military power and motivated by dreams of imperial glory, greeted the expanding war as an opportunity to regain lost territories and incorporate new lands and nationalities into the empire..
The Ottoman Empire commited suicide by involving itself in a fight between powers far greater than itself and backing the wrong side. Even back then Muslims were a bit too hasty to declare jihads. Don't blame the West for the foolishness of the Ottoman's.

I've heard that the argument commonly used to gain sympathy for terrorist groups (including the ones in Iraq) is that "at leas they're doing something". Something that's also used for the anti-terror measures put in place by the Bush administration and also, I hear, in Israel.

I think we should all remember that hitting your head with a plank in order to cure headache is indeed also "doing something" - but we really should put our sights higher than that :l

Well Iranians are good at making missiles. They been doing it for a long time without any outside help.

And yet many of them still live in the Stone Age.

Well its all fine and dandy that they invented these things- it is important to note the current condition of their society and the contributions they currently make to society. Besides redefining suicide technology I cant think of anything.

This is only the last 150 years of Islam civilization. Look at the past 1400 years of Islamic civilization. You can't make generalizations like that look at Europeans they were in the "dark" ages while Muslims where make great advancements in science, and math. The Europeans leeched off the achievements of Muslims. While Muslims seeded the world!

From my previous posts:

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Muslims were responsible for the major advancements in medicinal technology, and the popularizing of many herbal remedies and synthesis of medicines. Muslims were the first to measure the Earth's diameter fairly accurately. Muslims were responsible for inventing the astrolabe which led to the creation of the modern compass. Muslims in the early era of Islam were the first to popularize wind technology and expanded wind power in the world. Muslims were the first to expand on and develop new ways of irriagtion and water storage after the romans. Muslim architecture lead tot he perfection of the dome, and the magnificient mosques and buildings in the Muslim world, of which the most famous are the Masjid Al Haram, Alhambra, Taj Mahal, etc. Muslims were the first to invent soap and bathe atleast weekly as is stated in the books of Sunnah, they popularized the concept of cleanliness and bathing regularly. Islamic nations were the first to make doctors swear by an oath to serve and not disclose information on patients. Islamic education systems were the first to have specialties in many new fields of medicine and were the foundation of modern medicinal studies. Muslims were the first to argue that reason can be used to prove faith, which also influenced other religious propagandists. Muslims were responsible for inventing the cannons, and started using gunpowder in warfare. Muslims were the first to synthesize organic molecules with reactions. Muslims invented the entire concept of Algebra and also were the first to use the concept of zero in calculations. The Islamic civilizationw as the first civilization in history which agreed to the concepts all races are equal. Islam preached as a religion and earning your wage is also worship, and Muslims united the Silk road under one rulership and guaranteed the safety of the travellers. Muslims sailors sailed to various regions of the world and had already mapped asia and africa before the european's started their age of discovery of the new worlds. Muslims banks made it easy to deposit money in one area of the empire and withdraw from another, this trust was carried out by private businessment and also the Islamic government. etc...
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Muslim scholars also laid the foundations of mathematics. Muslims were the first to recognize the importance of and use the zero effectively, borrowed from the Indians, bringing to Europe what is now called "Arabic numerals". Otherwise, the scientists and mathematicians of Europe would probably still be counting on their fingers or fumbling with clumsy roman numerals when analyzing data. Muhammad bin Mousa Al-Khawarizmi is considered the founder of modern algebra, and the mathematicians that followed made ever more impressive contributions. Ghiath Edden Al-Kashi, approximated pi to 16 places past the decimal point. The system know as Pascal’s triangle, which assists in factoring equations in the form of (a + b)n, was developed by Al-Karkhi, and not Louis Pascal. Later Muslim mathematicians were able to factor equations as complex as fourth degree equations; fifth degree equations are impossible to factor. (Mahmoud 137-147) The contribution of Muslim mathematicians to algebra is integral to the development of all sciences as mathematics is frequently referred to as the language of science. Newton would have had quite a difficult time quantitatively describing his laws of motion without using the algebra first implemented by the Muslims.

http://www.islamfortoday.com/scholars.htm
”


Medicine in Islam

Muslim Heritage

Setting the Record Straight

To name a few.

I hope this helps.

Peace.

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=1027751#post1027751

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“
Originally Posted by Vasilidante
Hello young scientists,

I was trying to find links on contributions made to society be the Ottoman Empire or technology pioneeered and couldnt find any. Can someone point a few out to me, i know there must be many.

”


Recognition and Archiving Knowledge of Modern Diseases

Training of Specialists in Medicial Field

Modern Primary School System

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Early Muslim Science Discoveries

1001 Achievements of Islam

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Essay on Islam and Medicine

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Muslim Scientists

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Also guys, you have to learn that the majority of Arabs have traditionally been beduions and herders, they really were occupied with living to worry about discovery and science, however this changed at the start of the Islamic era. Islam brought vast amounts of genius and technology and knowledge among the Arabs. It made them the top in their words at their time. Zakariya, you and I are Muslim and have what we have of material possession and culture thanks to the early Arabs. We should be grateful to them as well as the other rulers of the Islamic world.

Peace.

I am amazed !!!
Are muslims trying to change the history away from known facts !!!!
I never saw so many untruthfull statements as in this post :

1)medicinal - the muslims took the ancient greek texts and copied them,
medicine originated in ancient Egypt,Greece,China and India:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.Medicine

2)Earths diameter computed by Erastothenes in 240 BC
http://www.bookrags.com/sciences/earthscience/historical-chronology-woes-02.html

3)astrolabe invented in Greece 225 BC , true astrolabes were made before year 400 .
http://astrolabes.org/history.htm

4) windpower: sails are from ancient egypt , and windmills invented in Persia in year 200 BC.
http://www.free-essays.us/dbase/d2/jai167.shtml

5)irrigation and waterstorage all invented before Muhammed , and also used by the Romans.

6)First dome : Pantheon in Rome build year 126.
First perfect dome : Haghia Sophia ( Aya Sophia ) christian church build in year 537 in Istanbul.

Most mosques are copies of Haghia Sophia church (christian architecture)

7)Soap invented in Babylon 2800 BC , and later used by the ancient romans.
http://www.sdahq.org/cleaning/history/

8)Doctors oath to serve and keep secret : made by Hippocrates in 400 BC
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_classical.html

9) History of banking : started in Mesopotamia and was refined in ancient Egypt under Ptolemaic greek rule. Could even transfer money then, without moving the coins.
http://www.ex.ac.uk/~RDavies/arian/origins.html#invention

10) Algebra , mathematic and "arabic" numerals including zero : ALL invented in India
http://indianchild.com/amazing_facts_of_India.htm
http://members.tripod.com/~INDIA_RESOURCE/mathematics.htm

11) cannons ( and gunpowder) invented in China , known from year 1128.
http://cannon.quickseek.com

Actually I am not sure that Muslims have invented very much - except Allah ... OH NO , they took him from the Jews and christians as well !!
Even with the same prophets .....

From my previous posts:

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Muslims were the first to argue that reason can be used to prove faith, which also influenced OTHER religious propagandists.

Peace.

Not only reason but also lying !!!
Well, at least you are honest and admits that Muslims are religious propagandists ....

iranians have lied before and will continue to lie so i will not believe a word they say

This is only the last 150 years of Islam civilization. Look at the past 1400 years of Islamic civilization. You can't make generalizations like that look at Europeans they were in the "dark" ages while Muslims where make great advancements in science, and math. The Europeans leeched off the achievements of Muslims. While Muslims seeded the world!

Well being that the European dark ages were over 1000 years ago and yet in todays modern society Muslims are still in one...it says alot about your culture. At one point in Histroy Muslims were the technological leaders, but that was Centuries ago! Not to mention the constant lack of improvement in other areas such as tolerance of other cultures and womens rights.

The sad thing is that it is only going to get worse. All that Oil will be gone in 50 years and thats all they have. Stone Age then, Stone Age now. I wish you luck.

I am amazed !!!
Are muslims trying to change the history away from known facts !!!!
I never saw so many untruthfull statements as in this post :

1)medicinal - the muslims took the ancient greek texts and copied them,
medicine originated in ancient Egypt,Greece,China and India:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.Medicine

2)Earths diameter computed by Erastothenes in 240 BC
http://www.bookrags.com/sciences/earthscience/historical-chronology-woes-02.html

3)astrolabe invented in Greece 225 BC , true astrolabes were made before year 400 .
http://astrolabes.org/history.htm

4) windpower: sails are from ancient egypt , and windmills invented in Persia in year 200 BC.
http://www.free-essays.us/dbase/d2/jai167.shtml

5)irrigation and waterstorage all invented before Muhammed , and also used by the Romans.

6)First dome : Pantheon in Rome build year 126.
First perfect dome : Haghia Sophia ( Aya Sophia ) christian church build in year 537 in Istanbul.

Most mosques are copies of Haghia Sophia church (christian architecture)

7)Soap invented in Babylon 2800 BC , and later used by the ancient romans.
http://www.sdahq.org/cleaning/history/

8)Doctors oath to serve and keep secret : made by Hippocrates in 400 BC
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_classical.html

9) History of banking : started in Mesopotamia and was refined in ancient Egypt under Ptolemaic greek rule. Could even transfer money then, without moving the coins.
http://www.ex.ac.uk/~RDavies/arian/origins.html#invention

10) Algebra , mathematic and "arabic" numerals including zero : ALL invented in India
http://indianchild.com/amazing_facts_of_India.htm
http://members.tripod.com/~INDIA_RESOURCE/mathematics.htm

11) cannons ( and gunpowder) invented in China , known from year 1128.
http://cannon.quickseek.com

Actually I am not sure that Muslims have invented very much - except Allah ... OH NO , they took him from the Jews and christians as well !!
Even with the same prophets .....

This is soooo sick - a muslim lying through his teeths to try to make people think , that islam is something special ......

If you want to promote islam , then at least have the courtesy to tell the truth !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is soooo sick - a muslim lying through his teeths to try to make people think , that islam is something special ......

If you want to promote islam , then at least have the courtesy to tell the truth !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You people are fools. You accuse me of lying when infact you the one's responsible for lies. Your only motivation for this belief is that Muslims cannot be responsible for any scientific achievement because they are religious. Muslims have been responsible for many great inventions and discoveries like astrolobes, early geared clocks, synthesizing of alkali metals. It seems everyone else in the world sees this but you.

Peace.

You people are fools. You accuse me of lying when infact you the one's responsible for lies. Your only motivation for this belief is that Muslims cannot be responsible for any scientific achievement because they are religious. Muslims have been responsible for many great inventions and discoveries like astrolobes, early geared clocks, synthesizing of alkali metals. It seems everyone else in the world sees this but you.

Peace.

You really are not helping your case , DH !!!
You are rebuked with quoted websites on every point ......
Please quote your sources for your fantastic , imaginative and untrue statements about inventions made by muslims !!!!!!!!!

If not , then we have to brand you as a LIAR !!!

but crazy look at the way that we live now compared to these muslim countries, we are far better of than their countries

The big question is one billion people are incapable of inventing things, muslims are so far behind us its a joke, the saudis, the kuwaities have had tens of thousands of western engineers etc etc, for decades, because there locals could not strike a match without western help.

If it is such a joke, then why are you and the rest of the West so terrified of them? If they are so far behind, why do they pose such a threat? If they are so far behind, why is the US champing at the bit to attack yet another Islamic country because they are deemed as a severe threat to the West?

If the West so far advanced, you'd think they'd be able to capture one man don't you? So where is Bin Ladin? It seems that with their supposedly stone age technology and mentality, they still bested the super advanced West in a game of hide and seek.

If they are so far behind, why are we so scared?

but crazy look at the way that we live now compared to these muslim countries, we are far better of than their countries
By we, who do you mean? The middle and upper classes of "we"? I doubt many African Americans living in abject poverty in the US or Aboriginals in Australia would agree with you in this regard. For many of these people, their living standards are far worse than people in "these muslim countries".

If it is such a joke, then why are you and the rest of the West so terrified of them? If they are so far behind, why do they pose such a threat? If they are so far behind, why is the US champing at the bit to attack yet another Islamic country because they are deemed as a severe threat to the West?
The terrorists on Sept 11 commited their atrocities using planes they never could have built. Even a monkey can pull a trigger or push a button. Since Sept 11 it seems we are no longer safe allowing the savages to stew in their own juices and kill each other. Their countries are backward, their technology is primitive. But as Sept 11 showed, one need not be able to produce weapons to gain control of them and use them to devastating effect.

If the West so far advanced, you'd think they'd be able to capture one man don't you? So where is Bin Ladin? It seems that with their supposedly stone age technology and mentality, they still bested the super advanced West in a game of hide and seek.
High tech is not necesarily an advantage in hide and seek.
If they are so far behind, why are we so scared?
Because we are fighting an enemy without honor. An enemy who considers it a great victory to attack a school and kill children. In a straight up fight all the Islamists in the world couldn't hold out for ten minutes against the US army. So they cower in corners and attack women and children.

The terrorists on Sept 11 commited their atrocities using planes they never could have built. Even a monkey can pull a trigger or push a button. Since Sept 11 it seems we are no longer safe allowing the savages to stew in their own juices and kill each other. Their countries are backward, their technology is primitive. But as Sept 11 showed, one need not be able to produce weapons to gain control of them and use them to devastating effect.

Their technology and their countries may be backward, but they still terrify us. What you fail to realise is they do not need technology to terrify or beat the West. They sadly have the want and the drive to do so and so far they are winning if one considers the measures we are taking to protect ourselves because of said fear and 'terror'. They are winning because their lack of technology has only ensured their drive to attain other means to terrify us.

High tech is not necesarily an advantage in hide and seek.
You would think it would be, wouldn't you? High tech does not give an advantage. It wasn't high tech that captured Saddam and it is not high tech that is bringing the US closer to Bin Ladin.

Because we are fighting an enemy without honor. An enemy who considers it a great victory to attack a school and kill children. In a straight up fight all the Islamists in the world couldn't hold out for ten minutes against the US army. So they cower in corners and attack women and children.
So the war in Iraq is over? With the might of the US defence forces and their allies, the war only lasted 10 minutes? As far as I can see, they are managing to hold their own against the most technologically and best armed forces in the world. The US and her allies are still losing soldiers on a daily basis. And you're saying they would not be able to hold out for 10 minutes? Right. That's like saying we won the war in Vietnam. Do not speak about 'honour' when fighting Mad, because we in the West are also guilty of fighting without honour and guilty of attacking women and children. And we have the technology that is meant to ensure this kind of thing does not happen. But I suppose when we kill women and children it's classified as collateral damage. But when the enemy does the same, it's seen as fighting without honour. Hypocrisy exists on both sides. Do not be so blind as to assume that we are better because we are more technologically advanced.

Well being that the European dark ages were over 1000 years ago and yet in todays modern society Muslims are still in one...it says alot about your culture. At one point in Histroy Muslims were the technological leaders, but that was Centuries ago! Not to mention the constant lack of improvement in other areas such as tolerance of other cultures and womens rights.

The sad thing is that it is only going to get worse. All that Oil will be gone in 50 years and thats all they have. Stone Age then, Stone Age now. I wish you luck.

Tell me how long did the European dark ages last. If it wasn't for Muslims you'd all probably in your own shit on European hillsides.

Tell me what you think of this:
http://forums.ratedesi.com/showthread.php?t=148377 now note abu Dubai doesn't have much oil it generates it revenue through tourism.

And many American company's are relocating to UAE and South East Asian Pakistan/India/China. Give it 50 more yours and the America will be economically bankrupt. You know how many Chinas are in the world? they are so many that even my boot are made in China. :rolleyes:

but crazy look at the way that we live now compared to these muslim countries, we are far better of than their countries

Yeah right. I guess you ain't been to the United Arab Emirates.

Here are some pictures:
http://guide.theemiratesnetwork.com/living/dubai/images/the_world/the_world_dubai.jpg
The World Islands will be located 4 kilometers off the shore of Jumeirah, close to the Palm Jumeirah, between Burj Al Arab and Port Rashid at approximately 25°13 North and 55°10 East. Each island will be sold to selected private developers and are expected to have pricing beginning at AED 25 million (US$ 6.85 million), for the AED 6.6 billion (US$ 1.8 billion) project. Individuals who have purchased islands in the World Islands include Sir Richard Branson (Great Britain).

http://realestate.theemiratesnetwork.com/developments/dubai/images/dubai_waterfront.jpg
Dubai Waterfront will extend Dubai coastal line by 820 kilometers (492 miles), which is 12 times the current length of Dubai's coastline, and will cover an area of over 81 million squared meters (266 million squared feet). It is intended to be the world's largest beachfront development and the largest man-made development. It will be larger than Manhattan or Beirut and is being built to be Dubai's premium luxury district. The development will feature over 100 different waterfront developments and over 150 planned communities. The various key development areas of Dubai Waterfront can be seen the aerial map below.


http://realestate.theemiratesnetwork.com/developments/dubai/images/palm_deira.jpg


http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/591/3818260000.jpg

http://www.burjdubai.com/

In all fairness, while Dubai is a pretty damn neat place (I'll have to visit some time if I ever find the cash to do so) the whole of the UAE is carried on the backs of the expatriate workers who make up about 80% of the population. While I don't doubt it's nice to be a native there, the foreign workers are treated pretty damn badly - this is true of all the gulf countries as far as I've heard.

The UAE is a rare example of a ME country doing something clever with their oil money, though. Investing it in education and in making Dubai a high-tech tourist magnet that easily eats las Vegas for breakfast :p

gunpowder is a chinese invention. not western.

Tell me how long did the European dark ages last. If it wasn't for Muslims you'd all probably in your own shit on European hillsides.

We thank you for all the wonderfull technology. Which then leads to- Why didnt you use it? Do you see any Americans living in Mud huts? Even poor Americnas live like kings compared to Muslims. The only thing supporting the Muslim world is Oil- and even that is controlled by the Shieks and Religous nuts. Glad to see you invented some clocks a couple of hundred years ago. Once again- what have you done in the past 100 years?? Nothing! Look at the Taliban- a perfect example of Muslim Dark Ages philosophy.

Do I blame Muslims as a people? No. I blame their leaders who keep them boxed in like sheep.