http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Iran3_Israel_and_the_Bomb.asp He makes compelling points about why Iran is considered more dangerous than Israel. You can't argue with how radical Iran is being run.
Yes, and why were they in power? Thanks to the U.S. helping overthrow it. We want that whole region to be in chaos. It helps us. We keep that whole area from becoming unfied like the Ottoman Empire. We don't want any more superpowers. It also helps us try and control the prices of oil. Not only that, but we love to make arms deals with em too. More unstability which helps us. Only now are our acts coming back to bite us in the ass. However, it's fine for us because it gives us a legit reason to invade them. We love wars, they help our economy. We also then get to be more in control of those countries once we defeat em. I mean is this great or what? Installing those bad guys helps us out by adding unstability and then later it still helps us out by giving us reason to invade. The Islamic world already has numerous nuclear devices. Pakistan anyone? Not to mention that over half of the Pakistani population are radical Muslims. However, they're at a stalemate at the moment because of India so nothing is happening. Nothing will happen if both Israel and Iran have nukes as well. The only reason why we don't want Iran to have nukes now though is because that'd mean we can't invade Iran whenever we want. We want the area to remain unstable to we can control it whenever we choose to. Nukes prevent that. We're fine with Pakistan having nukes because we don't wanna invade em as they don't have much resources of use to use, but the Middle East is full of oil that we need. They support Covert-ops? Boo-hoo. Most countries do. Heck, Israel is the last one to complain about it. As for smuggling in 50 tons of ammo to Palestine? Big whoop. All superpowers smuggle in arms to them. Hell, who do you think supplies all the genocides in Africa? We all do! Hell, complaining about smuggling of arms is more hypocritical than complaining about covert-ops, lol. Uh huh. Tell Israel to disarm all its nukes then. And need anyone remember the whole Israel/Arab war where Israel got too cocky with it's land grabs and faced the consequences from the Arab world? And guess what happened when Israel lost? They were gonna nuke all of the Middle East until they forced us to help them out with U.S. airstrikes to not use em. Israel not a threat to the Arab world? Bull-fucking-shit. - N
Israel wouldn't be considered a threat if the Muslim radicals that control Iran and some other countries would just tone down on the radicalism, and stop bitchin', and simply live with Israel's existance.
So Israel can be like the aliens in that Simpson's episode where world peace was achieved and all the nukes in the world were disarmed. All of a sudden the aliens come around and see that and decide to attack us. When the Arab world loosens up, that's when the Israeli's get to catch them off-guard and make more land grabs like in the past. And who exactly is doing to stop them? The Arab world won't be able to and we sure won't since they're our masters of manipulation. If you think Israel is any different, for the better, today than it was in the past, you're only kidding yourself. - N
He is alos a commited zionist and true to form the article is from Honest Reporting , and would you believe it its site mission page says this : How biased could you get of course they are going to say Iran is a bigger threat , thats their job they are a front for Israel .
Everyone is biased to some extent - that doesn't mean their deductions are invalid. To assume so is ad-hominem.
that does not matter, he doesn't seem to care. both Neildo and Brian ignored the fact that Iran is a different case, it may actually be willing to use its nukes. i mean, israel can, but how could you consider it as a threat when it doesnt want to use them?
What do you define "doesn't want to use them" as? Maybe it's just me, but having planes armed with nuclear weapons flying towards their enemies sounds a little in the gray area of "doesn't want to use them".
my guess is israel will only use nuclear weapons as its last option so any reason to use them must be a very good reason. the fact is that israel never used its nuclear weapon. it didn't even threatned to use it. "having planes armed with nuclear weapons flying towards their enemies " when? towards who? did those planes actually DROP the bombs?
Not wanting to use them...? Even if Israel is "flying planes back and forth loaded with nukes", that doesn't mean they WANT to use them...just that they will if necesarry. Same thing between the US and USSR. We didn't want to use our nukes of Russia, but we had planes flying back and forth just in case broke out and we had to use those nukes to bring a swift end to conflict.
Heh, nobody is talking about "transferring nukes on planes" in the sense you're talking about. We're referring to the Six-Days War and the Yom Kippur War that Israel LOST until they forced us to help them with aerial strikes or else they were going to nuke the Arab world. Little chickenshits too considering they started the bloody thing. Go google it, read a book, or heck, if you need entertainment, watch the opening scene of Sum of All Fears as it refers to that. - N
I do know we've trained dolphins to disarm sea mines in the waters of the Middle East so hey, anything is possible. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! - N
Sure, I suppose I worded my statement incorrectly. I guess it really depends on who decides when it's neccesary that Israel use nuclear weapons. Obviously Israel's leaders (or former leaders, I should say) have a different definition of "neccesary" than you do. This is old news aaa. As neildo already stated, we're talking about at the end of Yom Kippur War when Israel got it's ass handed to them and had planes in motion towards targets in the Arab world. Only America bending a knee to Israel kept the Arab world from being obliviated. And why the hell do you have to ask "did those planes actually DROP the bombs?" No shit, sherlock. I'll leave you to enlighten out of your ignorance. In the mean time, get off my SciForums. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
seems to me you've just read the wrong book. israel didn't provoke any war. do you know why it is called "Six-Days War" ('67)? within 6 days israel crushed the armies of egypt, syria and jordan. israel WON the war, smart guy, BIG TIME. guess what? it used planes, tanks and soldiers. no nuclear weapon. if you don't belive me then go google it. how much do you know about the Yom Kippur War ('73)? egypt just played dirty when it surprised israel in Yom Kippur, the holiest day of the jewish calendar. you can't call the israelis "Little chickenshits" as they had driven egypt and syria back to to their borders, even when they faced with the worst situation. again, israel used its tanks and soldiers - no nukes! also, they did a good job back in '48, don't you think? a bunch of farmers against 5 arab armies. oh, let me guess - israel had nukes in '48? AmishRakeFight, i'd like to hear your response too.
You guys never learn. The man's nick is aaa. Press the a 3 times. He has 41 total posts. He is a plant meant to disrupt any Israeli critical conversation here. Go look up the word Sayyanim. http://www.nsm88.com/articles/mossad spy tony resnick.html Everyday I come to this forums of scientist and I shake my head in wonder about how naive they are.
Your wish is my command. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! So, what, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan attacked Israel because Israelis wear briefs instead of boxers? Obviously Israel pissed on Syria, Egypt, and Jordan enough to PROVOKE them into attacking them. I'm certainly no expert on this topic, but it's clearly elementary logic to see that SyrEgyJor didn't attack Israel for no reason. They want nothing more to see Israel destroyed, annihilated, wiped off the face of the map. Again, religion caused violence, violence caused death, and death caused certain leaders minds to be changed. I wholeheartedly agree. Israel fought valiently (and desperatly), and came out on top. I have no qualms with your argument about the Six-Day War. I'm no expert, as I stated earlier. Do you realize your mistake here? There is no "playing dirty" in war. War is deception, outwitting and outmanuevering your enemy, using superior strategy and tactics to accomplish your objectives. Egypt used their element of surprise to attack Israel at exactly the time when they were definitely not expecting it. They milked their advantage for all it was worth, and it almost paid off. This kind of sounds like the British strategy in Iraq of dressing like Iraqis and attacking from disguise. I see nothing morally wrong (not legally wrong, which it is, by the way) with being clever and outsmarting the enemy.
The Israelis started the Yom Kippur war? That's a novel interpretation. And Happeh invokes Godwin's law on his own argument. Great stuff in this thread...
Kind of funny that he would attempt to call Egypt dirty in 73 but Israel wasn't in 67? Then again the Liberty was sunk in 67...
