Iran proves to the world what a has been America is

You know , strange times we indeed live in , some 20 years ago America would only have to snap her fingers and the world stood to attention . These days America snaps her fingers and the world gives the 1 fingered salute back . How will America deal with Iran , that recalitrant nation which has just told America to go screw it itself . Below are the avenues which have been closed off to America , due to its internatioanl impotence , they all fail .

MILITARY STRIKE
With UN approval out of the question, the US would probably have to go it alone, with even loyal ally Britain a non-starter. US forces are already overstretched in Iraq . With the teetering US economy having to loot its infrastucture and welfare pots to fund this war it would be a tad strectched to fund an Iranian escapade . The political fall-out in the Arab world would be immense.

IMPOSE TRADE SANCTIONS
The official preferred option of the US and the European Union. But likely to be stalled in the Security Council by Russia and China. Would be counter-productive since Iran would react by cutting off oil supplies to the West.

SPORTS BOYCOTT
Iran could be banned from international sports events calls for the Iranian soccer team to be expelled from this year's World Cup have fallen on deaf ears as FIFA, the soccer's governing body, said last month that it would not expel Iran.

Enter the Russians to save the day , they snapped their fingers and what do you know Irans all happy .
COMPROMISE
A possible deal could involve Russia making nuclear fuel which could be used only for peaceful purposes on its own territory as part of a joint venture with Iran. Would need a face-saving formula to satisfy Iran's national pride.

And what do you know Russia to the forefront !

Its time America left the Middle East and let the new powers take over .

 

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Umm, all we have to do is provide monetary and logistical support to Iranian insurgents yearning to resist their theocratic Overlords with IEDs & media access.

If such things are enough to bring down the US in Iraq, they surely are enough to bring down the Ayatollahs in Iran, no?

 

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Brian Foley, you forgot one option:

 

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"A POTENTIAL breakthrough in the nuclear stand-off with Iran came last night when the Iranian ambassador in Moscow praised a proposal to move Tehran's uranium enrichment programme to Russia. "

the last i heard they had flat out refused to send uranium to russia to be enriched

 

they did
rather humiliating if they were to agree
fact is npt allows for iran to do stuff. there is no crime
all the axis of insanity has going for it is the claim that iran will attack with nukes if tech is in thier possession

ja, another pre emptive strike based on fear

 

5 paragraphs, yet you say nothing.

 

I would actually gain respect for the Iranians if they would agree and finally make a decision with their heads instead of their hearts. Too little think+too much acting off emotion=too much war

 

America tried that in the 1980’s it failed because the people were behind the Ayatollahs , you realize the Islamic revolution was a popular one ? There is no groundswell of discontent in Iran to exploit .

And his Father was thrown out by a popular revolution , his Father was not flown in from Paris but actually was in Iran at the time.

Hasn’t been thrown out , in fact Iran is now seriously going into negotiations with the EU , seems to me the Iranians have realized they may have gone a bit to far against the EU as Russia has more or less come around to the EU’s position .

Iran is in full compliance with the IAEA , The EU has said Irans programme is for peaceful purposes , and not even America has come out and outright and accused Iran of having an active atomic weapons programme . Americas rationale is Iranian secrecy provokes suspicion .

Im sorry what are you babbling about ? I personally wrote 5 paragraphs of options facing the America and why they didn’t/ wont work . Could you enlighten me as to where I had nothing to say ?

I think its the Americans who are being rash and foolhardy and led by their emotions . What country is it that is threatening war ? Not Iran , its America .

 

Are there even iranian insurgents?

 

Yeah , thats wild , how can someone be an insurgent in his own country ? Thats how US propaganda explains the Iraqi resistance , they put it down to insurgents .

 

I don't know if you should really call them insurgents, but there certainly is a resistance movement in Iran. Unfortunately, they have been labeled as terrorists as part of the agreement under which Iran stopped its nuclear research the first time around.

 

This thread’s title has the tense wrong. America is not yet a "has been." GWB & Conie are working hard to make it one, so soon the title will be correct.

China needs oil. Iran has oil.
Iran need protection from GWB & C's "regime change." China has Security Council veto.

Prediction:
Phase 1 of Iran China deal: China blocks UN action, has always opposed "interference in internal affairs"

Phase 2: Iran accepts Yuan, instead of dollars, from China for oil and gives preference to tankers going to China.

Phase 3: China & Iran sign mutual defense pack.

Note these three phases may all be rolled into one phase, but are completed in less than a year.


Phase 4: Iran, China & Afghanistan sign oil pipeline deal.

Afghanistan gets both Yuan, cheaper oil, and guns etc. for the war lords. (The US installed government in Afghanistan loses power to local war lords, etc. as they, armed with Chinese weapons, regain control of their traditional jurisdictions.)

Iran get mutual defense treaty with China, perhaps even loan of nuclear weapons on Chinese mid-range rockets that can retaliate against Israel until they can make their own. (Most likely these remain on western Chinese soil and under Chinese control, but are on mobile launchers that can deploy into Iranian soil in hours, about 60, and as part of the mutual defense pack, they become military aid to Iran or "Iranian missiles" to be fired from Iranian soil, but are intended to be used only to deter Israel in MAD scheme, which even the US will not let Isreal convert into actual nuclear war.)

China gets oil and Iran’s help with control of the Western provinces, which for years, under Moslem influence, have been trying to break away from China. China also get less need to hold any dollars in reserves to buy oil with.

When other oil exporters (Venezuela will be the first) accept Yuan for oil, central banks unload dollars from reserves and begin to hold Yuan. Dollar’s purchasing power rapidly (approximately one month) falls to less than half. Oil more than doubles (except Cuba and China that have long term deals with suppliers) I.e. For US current $60/barrel becomes 60x2x2= $240/barrel and few can still afford to drive car to Wal-Mart etc. Many lose jobs. US prints dollars to pay debts, and like the runaway German inflation, dollar becomes worth less than one cent in less than a year after the start of the run on the dollar. Then US is a "has been."

 

So the democratically voted-in government is somehow less credible than the terrorists?

I imagine the Iraqi government conceives of them as being insurgents, too.

Geoff

 

actually Iran will be trading in the Euro

As for the yuan .

The fact is China does not have the industrial/technological capacity to sell to Iran . All of Chinas military equipment derives from Russian imports or built on Russian licence . Chinas economy is simply a re-export based system where 95% of all exports are simply western designed product produced by contract with Western firms it is simply manufactured and China and re-exported back to the Western consumer market . Economies such as this are simply glasshouses which at a moments notice can be collapsed .

 

We are talking about Iran here not Iraq Geoff .

 

You seem to have missed the most likley option walnut, israel bombing iran, doing the wests dirty work, & i hope they do it real soon, they will certainly have the blessing of the majority of the western populations, including myself, israel has to protect itself, & it also owes america big time for all those US dollars given to her, i can only hope they drop nukes on iran, not just cruise missiles, iran is a massive ulcer, like syria they both need wiped of the planet, and then we can plant walnut trees there.

America finished walnut are you for real, they have the biggest economy in the world, china has 4 times there population, but still can not match the american economy.

New powers who walnut, russia? there military is a joke, there planes are crashing every other day, there submarines are forever sinking, all russias money goes into the swiss bank accounts of its corrupt leaders, as does china's, so who is left to be the new powers walnut, is there any country that can match the american military machine, or there economy, NO WALNUT so walnut if you are going to make walnut statements, at least have some credibility to your bullshit.

 

True I agree.
But I seem to also remember something about Iran's president saying Israel should be wiped off the map. Pretty threatening statements from both parties I think.

 

And Americas soldiers are raiding scrap metal yards in Baghdad for extra armour to put on ther Humvees .
Chin Nut if you are going to wish to debate me you must come off medication , ok sweetheart .

 

I find what the Iranian President said very suspect almost as a dare or a deliberate throwing down of the gauntlet . More or less saying Fuck you what are gonna do about it ? Its as if Iran knows they are in a very advantageous position with so many power blocks fighting over it .

 

Brian Foley,

I agree that the invasion of Iraq was wrong and that America is going to get into deeper and deepre shit for its aggression, against the middle east - so poorly unjustified by 9-11 etc.
I agree with you on all that anti-war on terror anti-GWB/neocon/PNAC stuff.

But would you really want America to fall as the superpower - to somewhere like Russia or China?

I mean, overlook the current neocon/PNAC/GWB regime, how insane and violent and megalomanic they are, and think about what america's demise - what that would mean for people like you and me??? Not to mention the war.
Think about the human rights abuses of countries like China and Iran - censoring the internet, hanging gay people, etc.
Countries like china and iran, IMHO, make america look like disneyland - a tacky plastic arrogant pretentious loud fat and war mongering disneyland SURE, but a disneyland nevertheless.

Sure I want to see this US regime, the neocons etc get their deserts.
But would you really want China or Russia to overtake as the superpower?