Ahh, the amusment of stated theocracies. A step backwards for mankind, a giant leap backwards for Iranian education. That'll larn 'em. Or actually not. Who decides what goes in the women's textbook? They'll probably fill them with a lot of blank pages. After all, what better substrate could Iranian girls possibly want for the free exercise of the crayons that Tehran will be issuing them? :shrug: Needs: like, say, a 'healthy' ignorance of the world around them. That sort of need. And it's practical, too, given the climate they were born into.
Yep, they want to keep them in the dark and as ignorant as possible. They are much easier to control that way.
Strange, when I was doing History in college some of the stuff I read about islam was completely vile and made me ashamed. But when i sudied it further with other books and sources, that were not available at college, I saw that the history books we were reading in college were completely wrong :shrug: Guess its not that uncommon
That was a little off topic. Does it relate to the case above somehow? The topic of discussion is about theocratic meddling with equal education in Iran.
Interesting concept. I often hear from girls in math and engineering that they feel the courses are designed for men rather than women.
Not sure how that could possibly be, but let's entertain the point: are you advocating gender splitting in education, and if so, does it encompass texts? Is the Iranian example based in educational improvement or something else?
Be interesting to see how they contour the books to the age and sex of the students. Not too difficult in the electronic age. Isn't Ali Ahmadi slotted for Presidency? Is this the same guy? http://www.iranatom.ru/media/pers/iri/gov/ahmae.htm
Yet, it is quite uncommon. Are you claiming history books are wrong in favor of "other books and sources?" What exactly were those "other books and sources?" The Quran? The Hadith?
Yeah Imagine learning about Islam from the Quran, what was he thinking? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Since I am usually brought to a point non plus with you, here are some references: American Institutes for Research. (1998). Gender gaps: Where schools still fail our children. Washington, DC: American Association for University Women Educational Foundation. Chapman, A. (1997). A great balancing act: Equitable education for girls and boys. Washington, DC: National Association of Independent Schools. Sadker, M., & Sadker, D. (1994). Failing at fairness: How America's schools cheat girls. New York: Charles Scribner's Sons. Gender issues in education are not a new focus. There are issues with the way that math and science is taught with schools focusing on competition rather than cooperation, where girls lose out the most. There have even been experiments with single sex schools http://www.education-world.com/a_curr/curr215.shtml http://www.singlesexschools.org/home.php And legal steps have been taken based on this research http://www.singlesexschools.org/legal.html
Your references do not support your claim that math is a gender specific course. Were you just blowing hot air out your ass, again?
Why do you assume that the history books in college were wrong? I have done a lot of reading of history from books that weren't in college courses and Islam is not a benign religion, they have a long history of violence from its founding until today. Mohammad has lead wars of conversion and conquest, and his followers have continued the practice, it is a supremacist religion, Islam and no other, and if you don't convert, you become a second class person, with no right against the Moslem Believer. You have to pay for the right to live under oppression, and at any given time you can end up murdered just because you didn't show enough deference to a Moslem.
Yes and you allege that Iran somehow will put in the books what they want to teach, even if thats wrong. That relates to what I went through with the history book we used at our college in Holland, which had over 4k students Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
I think you reading into this wrong , the idea is that boys and girls have different learning patterns , with girls excelling faster than boys at an early age with boys catching up later . Ah yes , your theory of Islam plans on World conquest , Islamic fundamentalism only rears its ugly fucking head only after American involvement ie; Iran , Afghanistan , occupied Iraq and Palestine .
Not all, jsut the part I was taught from regarding Islam. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Oh right! That must be true! Regardless of the fact that ever since its inception Islam has been the target of the established order. Regardless of the fact that a lot of times whole armies marched to the Muslim cities and nations to wipe them out. Regardless of all that whenever Muslims and the Prophet defended themselves it should always be classified as violence and wars of conversion and conquest from the Muslim... hahaha so ridiculous. Dream on Obviously you havent read my other posts regarding these issues but I bet you have read a lot of Gisèle Littman Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Under Muslim law, see here how I dont talk about current Muslim countries, under Sharia Law, people who are not Muslim pay a tax known as Jizyah. Why do they do that? Simple. Every government requires tax to keep itself going, especially a Muslim government who will always have charity and welfare expenses, it is the law. Now since every government needs taxes, there are teachings regarding this in Islam as well. Muslims pay a tax called Zakat. Now in a Muslim country there are bound to be non-Muslims as well. But if they were asked to pay the Zakat they would complain that they are subtley being forced to become Muslims as Zakat is one of the requirements of being a Muslim. So for those who were not Muslim the tax Jizyah was created which was not as heavy as the tax that the Muslims were paying. Now you understand why there are 2 different taxes? Besides, there have been times in Muslim history when the non-Muslim subjects did not have to pay tax and the Jizyah is not meant to be forever anyway. The next point you raise is that a person living in a Muslim country, under Muslim law is not protected and can be killed and whatnot without the Muslim offender being punished. This is totall and major BS. Sharia law specifically presrcibes the protection of the non-Muslim inhabitants of a Muslim country and their property, be it private or religious. Under Sharia law churches and temples and houses are protected. Also, any Muslim who attacks or kills a non-Muslim in Sharia Law in a Muslim country will be dealt with by the law. There is no difference there. Just because they are non-Muslims doesnt mean they are a 2nd class citizen as you would believe.
Actually, it's you two reading this wrong. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! The minister is proposing gender-specific books, not gender-segregated classes. Not the same thing. It's certainly possible; given the government's new predilection for socila crackdowns on women, it seems quite likely. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! All...rightie. Well, I can't evaluate the merits of your case as they relate to a different country (Iran) or a different issue (gender segregated educational materials). It would be hard for me to say whether you're wrong or right. Perhaps your perspective on the misreprentation of the religious issue arises because you are a member of that religion.
All right, let's not get off topic. I'll confine myself to pointing out that this isn't true in Saudi Arabia, for starters (among elsewhere), and that churches and temples are not infrequently closed by those same authorites for reasons of religious supremacism. The history of treatment of religious minorities in the islamic world is not really in question here. Murder is one thing, naturally; second class citizenship another. Let's not get sidetracked any further.
