News from reuters : http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=5610196

Under a policy of "strategic ambiguity" Israel refuses to admit or deny having nuclear weapons. International experts estimate it has between 100 and 200 warheads.

Unlike Iran, it has not signed the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and therefore does not have to let IAEA inspectors into its nuclear facilities.

Why doesn't any other country make pressure on Israel "the heaven of peace and democracy"! to sign this treaty. What a double standard...If i would be an Arab i would really be mad about this fact.

Why doesn't any other country make pressure on Israel "the heaven of peace and democracy"! to sign this treaty. What a double standard...If i would be an Arab i would really be mad about this fact.

The USA, Zionist influence within the US, basically.

haven't this been discussed to death already?

1- a nuke Israel deters arab agression (good for Israel, the region, and the entire world... unless you want to see extreme polarization and/or another oil crisis like in '73)

2- Israel has proved itself to be a responsible nuke keeper. it hasn't used it once during all its wars

3- while the agressive and beligerant Arab neighbours have quantitative advantage, Israel has qualitative advantage.

if you are a MAD supporter and think it would work in the middle east, consider this:
the Ayatollah are religious exremists. once they get a nuke they will nuke Israel, and "deter" it. forever.

why does this "fair play" include allowing your enemies, who happen to be fanatics, to develop the most lethal weapons known to mankind?

double standard is the right word here.
one standard for sane, friendly, resopnsible, stable nations.
another standard for insane, hostile, irresponsible, aggressive, fanatical, unstable nation.

give me one good reason why Iran / Syria / anyone else in the ME (or in the whole world, for that matter) should be allowed to get a nuke
and give me one good reason why Israel should "come clean"? especially under the circumstances and considering historical hostility from the friendly neighbours

Under what conditions do you think that Isreal would use a nuclear weapon, ot?

:m: Peace.

an interesting thought had crossed my mind. Israel may not even have the nukes
yeah.. the "experts" determined, based on some photos, there are 100 or 200 ready-to-go nukes.
maybe they are just useful idiots?
in 1973, although Israel had won, unlike in 1967 they actually missed a big heart beat... there was a chance of complete destruction of the country... yet they did not use nukes. maybe they simply did not have them?

but if they do, personally, i think that under no circumstance Israel will use the nukes... Jewish and moral law will simply prevent this from happening

Then why not give them up?

:m: Peace.

3- while the agressive and beligerant Arab neighbours have quantitative advantage, Israel has qualitative advantage.

You don’t actually believe this position do you? The only state in the Middle East who can attack you now is Syria…a dead horse. That is the only perceived threat Israel has today, Iran cannot attack or invade Israel as of yet. The Syrians don’t even have a quantitive advantage either, Israel has no reason for having nuclear weapons.

mr. expert, undecided, has decided all by himself that Syria and Iran have no capability, eh?

well so do the pseudo-'palestinians'
yet they attack anyway
when people are insane fanatics guided by Allah Akbar they don't need big weapons

Then why not give them up?
to deter Arab aggression..duh!
if they think we have it, and if they think we are so damn evil and crazy, then they won't attack us. why should we clarify to them that we are not crazy, will never use nukes, and don't even have them?

The Syrians don’t even have a quantitive advantage either, Israel has no reason for having nuclear weapons.

Much the same thing was true after the '67 war, and yet six years later they were right back at it again.

We can argue to death that Israel shouldn't have weapons, etc . . . but (according to Vanunu, at least) they do. Yes it seems to be a double standard, and if I were an Arab I would probably also be mad about this. Conversily, if I were an Israeli I wouldn't want to give nukes up. They haven't used the nukes yet, and they've had chances to do so - but at the same time passions can run very high. However, I don't see many ways to remedy the situation. Perhaps a few suggestions to start discussion:

- NATO could provide a 'defence umbrella' for the region and deter aggressors - effectivly stopping the use of war as a tool of statecraft in the region. (Would NATO be willing to get involved? Is rulling out the possibility of war always a great plan? Would Israel or it's Arab neighbors accept this situation?)

and I've run out of ideas. ouch. I really don't see many ways to remedy the situation.

an interesting idea... but problematic

1) can you imagine the propaganda it can generate? Elders of Zion.. Jews controlling the world's armies, etc.

2) it's temporary, and we'd be relying on someone else to protect us. there's nobody better than ourselves because we will never doublecross ourselves or set conditions to ourselves or pull a fast one on ourselves

......
all that has to happen is the pseudo-'palestinians' stop bombing our cities so we can sign peace with them... and for all the other fanatical regimes in the middle east accept Israel exists

how hard can that be?

well, chances are if one removes the factors that drive them to bombing, then the bombing will cease - a set boarder and the dismantleing of illigial settlements might help. Mind you, I'll point out here that Rabin was assasinated over this sort of thing.

mr. expert, undecided

Thank you… :)

has decided all by himself that Syria and Iran have no capability, eh?

Not necessarily capability, they merely don’t present much of a threat. Firstly Syria’s military is old and inefficient; it would be destroyed before it even got to the Golan most likely. Israel’s relative power has grown exponentially compared to anyone else in the region because of massive US aid. Iran cannot and will never attack Israel by land, that’s just not going to happen. What Iran can do is attack Israel with missiles, supposedly Israel is able to defend herself from that with her Arrow missiles.

well so do the pseudo-'palestinians'
yet they attack anyway
when people are insane fanatics guided by Allah Akbar they don't need big weapons

And Pseudo-Hebrews do that same shit, they go around prenteding that God is on their side, when the opposite is true. You don’t think Israel has insane fanatics guided by “G-d”? Then you don’t know your own state, and people. They are threatening to kill Sharon, your own fanatics so look in the mirror please.

to deter Arab aggression..duh!

Do you honestly believe any Arab state is really that stupid?

What a double standard...If i would be an Arab i would really be mad about this fact.
I think the Arabs are already mad enough about Israel, that's probably why Israel has nukes, because their very existence could be threatened. The only country who could put pressure on Israel is the US, and under Bush, we are moving in the opposite direction, even developing new weapons, it's crazy.

About developing new weapons, check out the National Institute of Public Policy and look for just about anything by Dr. Keith B. Payne. He often discusses nuclear weapons.

So many momma's boys, too many auto-vasectomies.

You've all Left the building. :roll:

Here's hoping for another correcting asteroid impact.

Mr. G,

What does that mean? that does not sound like a valid opinion on this subject to me.

Israel has proved itself to be a responsible nuke keeper. it hasn't used it once during all its wars
if i am not mistaken, only the united states has detonated a nuclear weapon.
the agressive and beligerant Arab neighbours
:rolleyes:
insane fanatics guided by Allah Akbar
you say potato, i say "freedom fighter." but seriously, not all arabs are "insane fanatics." there is no way you can justify that.
the Ayatollah are religious exremists. once they get a nuke they will nuke Israel, and "deter" it. forever.
a theocracy is composed of two parts, or, one could say, two heads. the first head is religious, and thus despises israel, or what have you. the second is political, and knows that launching nukes would lead to the destruction of its homeland and its people.
What does that mean?
probably just posting for the sake of posting.