The following article from an international Arab newspaper outlines the alleged methods Iran will resort to if attacked either by the US or Israel. Considering that Bush is flat broke, there may only be air strikes on nuclear facilities in Iran, instead of another attempt at regime change. This plan appears in several other news sites, but I don't know how legitimate its sources are. Judge for yourself:
http://www.asharqalawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=1&id=4722

America wont invade and occupy Iran fully it will only invade and occupy Irans oil rich Khuzestan province (http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6954) which borders Iraq .

http://www.testimony-magazine.org/back/dec2005/iran_map.jpg

The US will secure this province by Airborne opeartions followed by an aromoured and mechanized infantry advance . The USAF will strike Iran simultaneously from air bases in Pakistan , Afghanisatn , Iraq and the Gulf States

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/deployment.map/new.base.map.6.10.gif

Also in the Persian Gulf the US Navy will launch airstrikes in conjuction with Marine landings as well as cruise missile strikes against Iranian targets , it will be a massive version of the shock and awe defenceless Iraq suffered . However Iran is a lot more prepared militarily its equipment is very effective and Iran said it wont sit idly back whilst the US attacks . Id say America will have its hands full here .

Diplomatically speaking, mightn't a deterrant be better than a pre-emptive strike? If the US is worried about an Iranian threat to Israel, simply promise that if Iran strikes, the US will nuke it into oblivion. Cheaper than conventional warfare, and if Iran isn't planning anything secretely they have nothing to fear. No aerial strikes, no marine landings. Complete peace as long as they choose to keep it ;)

If the US is worried about an Iranian threat to Israel, simply promise that if Iran strikes, the US will nuke it into oblivion.
I think America wants Iran to attack Israel on a mass Pearl Harbour basis , thereby justifying an invasion of Iran .And America wont nuke Iran either , Iran is a great money making asset for any nation which controls Iran , whence all the bickering between the US , The EU and Russia as well as with Japan and China . And if Israel gets any ideas after being attacked to strike Iran withy nukes the US forces in Iraq will shoot down IDF planes flying over . Thats because Israel is an expensive liability to America and costs money to maintain whence why Israel is a pariah .
Complete peace as long as they choose to keep it ;)
Iran according to the capitalist west must be incorporated back into its primary function of serving the interests of business as it was under the Shah . And when this happens Israels days are numbered because the West gets its regional policemen back .

If that's what the US wanted, simpler to just cut funding.

If that's what the US wanted, simpler to just cut funding.

It's called manipuation.

How do you make something happen without being so out in the open and blunt about it where you may receive international diplomatic harm from those actions? Simple, you make someone else do it so you're actions are then accepted.

If we were to outright just stop Israel's money right now, everyone would know what's up. So we just gotta find another way to give us an excuse to stop funding so we don't look like bastards but rather it being seen as a justified move, even though most of the world dislikes Israel anyways.

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Diplomatically speaking, mightn't a deterrant be better than a pre-emptive strike? If the US is worried about an Iranian threat to Israel, simply promise that if Iran strikes, the US will nuke it into oblivion. Cheaper than conventional warfare, and if Iran isn't planning anything secretely they have nothing to fear. No aerial strikes, no marine landings. Complete peace as long as they choose to keep it ;)

perfectly said.
as an alternative to war, this is the most likely situation as well.

Only downside is really becoming international pariahs if we do go through with our bark and bite Iran with our nuclear teeth.

That's where manipulation comes into play. The end result winds up the same; the U.S. conquering Iran with good reason due to Iran attacking Israel, as opposed to the U.S. attacking Iran and becoming outcasts, or even worse with the use of nukes.

If Iran winds up being the aggressor, despite the U.S. starting the whole thing from the begining with our Axis of Evil accusations, they get away clean by acting in the defense of Israel, rather than the offensive.

Having the rest of the world become our enemies sure as hell isn't worth being put in jeopardy all for the sake of having a war with Iran. It's always about manipulation, at the expense of others.

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Diplomatically speaking, mightn't a deterrant be better than a pre-emptive strike? If the US is worried about an Iranian threat to Israel, simply promise that if Iran strikes, the US will nuke it into oblivion. Cheaper than conventional warfare, and if Iran isn't planning anything secretely they have nothing to fear. No aerial strikes, no marine landings. Complete peace as long as they choose to keep it ;)
A deterrent only works if the other guy is, well, deterred from attacking by the threat of retaliation. The Council of Guardians and Ahmedinejad don't seem the kind to be deterred by heavy losses on their own sides. A nuclear deterrent might still work, mind you, but one cannot rely on their rethoric being completely empty. Why take the chance?

It would be kind of... interesting, I think, if the United States invaded Iran and the Iranians already had at least one nuclear device. They would probably detonate it on the invading U.S. troops...

Known in official Washington, as "Joint Publication 3-12", the new nuclear doctrine (Doctrine for Joint Nuclear Operations , (DJNO) (March 2005)) calls for "integrating conventional and nuclear attacks" under a unified and "integrated" Command and Control (C2).

Military planning focuses on "the most efficient use of force" , -i.e. an optimal arrangement of different weapons systems to achieve stated military goals.
In this context, nuclear and conventional weapons are considered to be... "part of the tool box",
from which military commanders can pick and choose the instruments that they require in accordance with "evolving circumstances" in the war theater.

Maybe Ahmedinejad and his Iranian "nuclear clubers" should learn a new song....
"Duck and cover"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGibj8e20y0&search=civil%20defense%20nuclear%20fallout%20Gene% 20Hackman%20conelrad%20atomic%20homeland%20securit y%20FEMA
http://www.military.com/Content/MoreContent1/?file=cw_cd_story
http://www.conelrad.com/duckandcover/cover.php?turtle=01
It was a popular song on American T.V. back in the fifties.

Has Iran blinked, Mahmoud Ahmandinejad has sent a letter to Pres. Bush asking for a settlement of the stand off. BBC News

Does the letter represent a softening in Iran's stance, or is this just a ploy to distract world attention from Iran's nuclear ambitions?

Like I've been saying.....Iran's entering the "fifties" period of development, and this old public service announcement should be quite helpful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGibj8e20y0&search=civil%20defense%20nuclear%20fallout%20Gene% 20Hackman%20conelrad%20atomic%20homeland%20securit y%20FEMA

The following article from an international Arab newspaper outlines the alleged methods Iran will resort to if attacked either by the US or Israel. Considering that Bush is flat broke, there may only be air strikes on nuclear facilities in Iran, instead of another attempt at regime change. This plan appears in several other news sites, but I don't know how legitimate its sources are. Judge for yourself:
http://www.asharqalawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=1&id=4722

That would be really bad news for the people in the Middle East. No one will hold a candle to the Germ warfare capability of USA. We could wipe out the entire population of Iran in 3 days just by dropping weaponized SARS virus, ebolla and similar nasty stuff - if we are attacked. Perhaps another way to wipe out population surgically could be using our space based high energy x-ray radiation beams...

The Iranians will have a tough time fighting US in US soil. But they could attack France, Germany and UK. Then world war will definitely break out...

Better make love not war....:D

By the way, here's the translated version of Ahmadi-Najad's letter to Bush:

http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_documents/ahmadinejad0509.pdf

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Are you sure that is the English version since the document has not been published? The salutation does not look right coming from a highly cultured country!

Who knows, that's what was given to the Associated Press and that link is directly to their website.

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Looks like it is OK. Here is another link (http://www.lemonde.fr/web/imprimer_element/0,40-0@2-727571,50-769886,0.html)

The final piece:

The people are disgusted with increasing corruption.
The people of many countries are angry about the attacks on their cultural foundations and the disintegration of families. They are equally dismayed with the fading of care and compassion. The people of the world have no faith in international organisations, because their rights are not advocated by these organisations.

Liberalism and Western style democracy have not been able to help realize the ideals of humanity. Today these two concepts have failed. Those with insight can already hear the sounds of the shattering and fall of the ideology and thoughts of the liberal democratic systems.

We increasingly see that people around the world are flocking towards a main focal point – that is the Almighty God. Undoubtedly through faith in God and the teachings of the prophets, the people will conquer their problems. My question for you is : Do you not want to join them?

Mr President,
Whether we like it or not, the world is gravitating towards faith in the Almighty and justice and the will of God will prevail over all things.

Vasalam Ala Man Ataba'al hoda
Mahmood Ahmadi-Najad President of the Islamic Republic of Iran

I love the advanced flying boat, if memory serves me you could buy plans for this in the 50tys from the EAA, in Oshkosh Wis. it was powered buy a Lycoming 150,

http://www.memritv.org/Favorites.asp
Article 3, #1102

I love the advanced flying boat, if memory serves me you could buy plans for this in the 50tys from the EAA, in Oshkosh Wis. it was powered buy a Lycoming 150,

http://www.memritv.org/Favorites.asp
Article 3, #1102

Flying boat? Buy plans? Is that supposed to be a response for a different thread -- perhaps the "Loremo - the 1.5 litres/100 km biodiesel car" one?

Hehe, and MEMRI. Hey, where's Brian Foley? I wanna hear him rant about MEMRI again. :p

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