Iran Americas last throw of the dice

The Security Council cannot deal with Iran like Iraq , ruined by war Iraq had no choice but to give UN inspectors unfettered access . Iran not only has a formidable military , but it has strong economic ties with Russia and China, both of whom wield vetoes on the Security Council .The US literally bulldozed their way into Iraq, but how will they handle Iran?

The United States repeatedly has told Iran that developing nuclear weapons capability is unacceptable. Yet experts estimate Iran is at least 5 years away from being able to produce a nuclear bomb.
So what's the urgency to attack ?
Could this be the reason ?

America is fighting for its economic life , thats why , and Iran is the key to Americas economic survival , not a group of bearded fanatics living Iran .

 

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Wow, the conspiracy theorist always just rehash old conspiracies and just slap them on the new country of interest. That "threat" of Iran using Euros instead of dollars was also used to explain the invasion in Iraq. The conspiracy idiots just peeled it off Iraq and stuck it on it's neighbor. This is getting old.

I also love how people keep forgetting that it's not just USA vs Iran, the majority of the Western Nations (and Russia) do not want Iran wielding nuclear bombs.

 

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"Iran not only has a formidable military"

MY ARSE, EVEN FRANCE COULD BEAT THEM, WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON WALNUT, mr walnut muslims fighting the west today, in any air or land war is no contest even a nut like you should know that, your friends in iran, are making there move now FOR ONE REASON THE ISRAEL PRESIDENT IS IN A COMA, are we getting the picture walnut, the only country that will attack iran here is israel, america has green lighted them, to be there trojan horse, iran is counting on developing nukes before israel has a new president, i am sure even a walnut like you absolute folly can read between the lines.


5 years a way from nukes, give me a break, they have all the know how from pakistan, you know walnut there months from developing them, save your crap for the salvation army, or oxfam i am not buying it walnut the only thing your selling here walnut is your nuts as usual.

 

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What conspiracy ? It is actually happening , or is this according to you a figment of OPEC's imagination . This is from the Energy Bulletin , there media business is petroleum , you cant agrgue with that now can you .

Oh and just to let you know Iran has started selling in Euros already.
Iran starts to sell oil in Euros

This is from the EU's official website it says they are satified Iran is not building any bomb .
That Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively for peaceful purposes.
IAEA says likewise
IAEA confirms peaceful nature of Iran's nuclear activities: chief negotiator 06/11/2005
Russia likewise
Russian Atomic Energy Minister: Iran Has No Technology to Produce A-Bomb
Fact is The EU and Russia are trying to get Iran not to do anything that will give the US a green light to launch an illegal invasion .

 

vincent:

1. Iran has a formidable military.

2. Iran was defying the U.S long before Sharon went into a coma.

 

"Iran not only has a formidable military"

LOL

Yeah, thats why they went to war with the "formidable military" of Iraq and had a stalemate for 10 years. The same "formidable military" that we steam rolled in 4 days.

Well they do have some T-72s....
No real Airforce
No real Navy
Oh yeah....very formidable.....

From the Military Factory:

United States of America VS Iran

$399 Billion Yearly MilitaryExpense $4.3 Billion
3.9% % of GNP 3.3%
18 Min. Enlist Age 21
73,597,731 Available Manpower 20,937,348
471,500 Active Military 325,000
220,000 Frontline Personnel 240,000
18,169 Aircraft 954
29,920 Armor 2,380
5,178 Artillery 4,594
35,324 Missile Defense 1,760
2,441 Infantry Support 12,500

Now these #s dont include Naval forces (not like Iran has a Navy)
The biggest difference of course being air assets.

 

Formidable to whom? The Pacific island of Tonga? Ethiopia? Denmark?

If we can call the Iranian military "formidable", than it would be safe to call the U.S. military "invincible". Nice try.

It's a conspiracy because they use that to explain each and every action by the U.S. First it was the reason why the U.S. invaded Iraq, now it's the reason why the U.S. might invade Iran (even though invasion will only be an option after sanctions).

The truth is, Iran or Iraq trading oil in Euros will not hurt the U.S. dollar. It will still remain as the standard in business because it is the most stable. It's an extremely weak reason to invade a country. A Conspiracy is all it is.

Well obviously they don't have the ability now. Who the hell said they did? What the U.S., Russia and the EU are trying to do is stop them from gaining the ability to develop WMD. That's what all the talks are for, stop them from getting the enrichment technology and the ability to create WMD. The fact is, Iran wants to build bombs. Russia has already agreed to enrich their uranium for them so that they can only be used for what the Iranians claim they want to use them for, nuclear energy. But Iran doesn't want that. Why? Because they want nuclear weapons. And that can't happen. Not just for the United States' sake, but for all the Western Nations.

 

crazy:

Iran has buffed up since then...

 

@QuarkMoon
I dont think you understand , as long as the US $ is the standard world currency it gives the US literally a right to print money , the effect is like an interest free loan on the economy . Switching to the Euro as is now the case means that seeing the EU is the mideasts biggest customer it makes sense for OPEC to trade in Euros and buy Euro reserves thereby displacing the US $ . So literally the US lifeline is keeping Iran firmly locked up .

 

Again, the standard would remain for all other markets. The flucuation of the Euro is extreme compared to the Dollar, stability beats worth anyday.

Also, this isn't the first time OPEC and other oil producers have threatened to drop the USDollar. It happened before during the Jimmy Carter administration, but than the Dollar rebounded and no one looked back. The Dollar will rebound again, like it always has throughout history, and OPEC will continue to tow the line. Like I said, it's a conspiracy theory, as proven by it's weakness in reality. It's not the reason why the U.S. went into Iraq (it was for the oil, not the possiblity of switching to the damn Euro) and it's certainly not the reason why the U.S. might go into Iran. Oh, and the idea of invading Iran is so remote, it's actually a waste of time to be discussing it right now.

 

Mountain,

even if it doubled it would still get crapped on. Their equipment is garbage!

 

Not to mention their infrastructure and technology is no match.

 

How is that getting old and where is it just a rehash? Since that IS the reason for the war in the Middle East, wouldn't that mean it would apply to all countries there? Now hey, if a new conspiracy theory was said for Iran, then it would be showing how those people are wrong since they can't make up their minds. The wars in the Middle East ARE an economic war to save the U.S. from having to pay higher prices for oil as that would cripple us due to our high reliance on that black gold. Having euros being used for oil weakens the dollar and we can't have that. And hey, when we wind up invading Venezula, I suppose it's all because Hugo Chavez is such a bad, bad man and you'll believe it so. Funny how only the bad leaders that require military action all happen to be from oil-rich countries. Yeah, that has nooooothing to do with our reasonings for invading.. lol..

It's not that they don't want Iran to be a nuclear power because they're worried about em or anything, it's just that they don't want any country to have em anymore. Switzerland is no threat but people don't want them having no nukes even though we'll never have to worry about a neutral country such as them doing anything with em.

Wow, look at those numbers. Lots of money on our side. Want some even better numbers? Let's show the wealth of the Iraqi populace armed with only AKs and small explosives yet look at the soldiers they're killing on a daily basis. Yeah, money helps, but it in no way means guaranteed success. Hell, just look at the mighty Soviets losing to the people of Afghanistan, heh.

- N

 

It is not a war in the middle east. It's a war in Iraq. Stop trying to spread it elsewhere. Last time I checked, Iraq was the only country that was invaded. If it applied to all countries, than the U.S. would be invading every single country that sells oil.

The oil industry switching to the Euro will not weaken the dollar because all other markets will remain. Not only that, as soon as the Euro goes on it's dips and the Dollar rebounds like it always has than they will switch back. They threaten to switch everytime the Dollar loses value for an extended period of time, but they know it will rebound, and it is the most stable currency in the world. It is not reason enough to invade. The invasion was for the oil itself cloaked in the "war on terror" fallacy. What's better, paying for oil, whether it's through the Euro or the Dollar, or free oil?

How do you know this? Everything the EU and Russia have said is they do not want Iran to develop nuclear bombs because Iran is dangerous. Now, if you have inside information, please, cite it. And if Russia and the EU simply did not want countries to have them anymore to stop nuclear proliferation, they would get rid of their own and stop providing uranium.

With who's help? Afghanistan won because of the U.S., read a damn history book. And the amount of soldiers dieing from insurgence in Iraq is nothing compared to past wars. They aren't doing anything except giving people like you more fodder to throw around. They have failed in disrupting elections, they have failed in disrupting military progress for the Iraqi army. I'm as against the war as everyone else, but even I can see the insurgence are just pathetic suicide bombers killing themselves because they've been brainwashed. I don't respect their efforts, I pity them.

 

Look , when the EU adhered to a single market of 450 millionm consumers it eclipse America , when they adopted the Euro the Euro became the world biggest currency . Fact is the mathmatics is thus , the US economy as sole distributor of mideast oil generates some $1 trillion into its economy annually . If the EU gets control of Iran thereby outflanking US oil companies , thereby securing its own control over oil distribution America loses that $!trillon .

 

So did iraq, a million troops, the americans were pulling his statue down in bagdad in a week or so, muslims can not fight to save there lives, they are only capable of using terroism to fight us, all those wars with israel, yet syria, egypt, lebanon, palestine, jordan, were not able to even give israel a bloody nose, a pathetic 5 million population, so pleeeeese dont kid me, or others on the muslim fighting machine, it does not exist, & never will unless it is in the form of terroism, & iran could not even defeat iraq in its war with them, if they could not defeat iraq, what chance do they have against a western country.


"2. Iran was defying the U.S long before Sharon went into a coma."

Iran after 2 years of talking, has only this week removed the UN seals, are you telling me its just a coincidence that sharon is in a coma, when they do it, do you believe in fairies too.


Let me tell you something i think iran is about to make the mistake of there life, if the religous nuts had a brain in iran, they would know that israel is now in a perfect situation to bomb them, between presidents no one to blame directly for a attack, just a make shift president, a new president is voted in with a clean pair of hands, while irans nukes facilities & its religous leaders hopefully have all been bombed out of existence

 

Provide a source for that trillion dollar number. I've heard it before but I've never been able to find information about it.

And your argument is incomplete. Since when is Iran the only oil provider? Last time I checked, there is Iraq, Venezuela, and that one country ruled by a king, it goes by the name of Saudi Arabia (not to mention Russia and various other countries). Iran going to the EU will not tip the scales in the slightest. If OPEC switched to the Euro, you might have a point, but like I said, the other markets would remain, and OPEC switching to the Euro is unlikely.

 

Uh huh. We'll see. If military action isn't taken against Iran, I'll give you $100. If military action is taken against Iran, you gimme $25.

Strengthen the Euro, weaken the dollar; symantics. The end result is that we'll be paying more for oil. And I don't care what prices you wanna raise in other markets to compensate for it, but it won't be to our advantage. Oil is too important and outweights everything else.

But we won't have to worry about all that happening when we simply invade the countries that wanna switch from the dollar to the euro.

What free oil? You think that just because we conquer a country that the oil is now free for us? No, it keeps the prices the same for citizens but increases the pockets of the oil tycoons. You think they're gonna be nice and let us citizens pay less for gas? Yeah right. And you fail to realize that another benefit for attacking these countries is that it hurts those that were hoping to have it switched to the euro. It's not all just a "wow, invading them will really help us" which makes it not seem so important where we'd wanna go through the hassle of invading all for that, but it's hitting two birds with one stone in that it helps us but also hurts our buying competitors.

What, you've never heard of realpolitik? They're just saying that to please us. People say crap like that all the time to get us off their backs. The EU and Russia have loads of trade deals with the Iran so they could care less. Russia has a billion+ arms trade with em along with their oil and for EU as well. Same goes for China. If they were so dangerous, they wouldn't bother with those types of deals.

Exactly, and they're not getting rid of their own nukes or stopping to provide nuclear uranium which means hey, go right ahead Iran and do your research!

Yes, and? They still won. Every war ends with the aid of some other country. Read a damn history book.

Well they sure do have a nice kill to death ratio this time around especially when you compare the number of Iraqi soldiers we've killed to the number of soldiers we've lost.

They failed to disrupt the elections? Are you sure? The guys we were hoping to be in charge aren't too popular and the constitution that has been passed is basically the same one that existed while under Saddam. Iraq is under Islamic law in a similar fashion that Iran is, lol. Yay for democracy!

As for military progress, what progress? You mean training ex-Iraqi soldiers to be better soldiers? Hiring ex-generals to be better generals? It's the same army with the same people!

Those suicide bombers are brainwashed? Yep, just the same as those fighting our war are, I agree. I pity our soldiers as well and those that support the war. How did Henry Kissinger put it? "Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy"?

- N

 

Iran has had 16 years to rearm .

Also the purchase of advance Russian anti-aircraft weponery

Time you guys joined up .

 

What they have bought hundreds of buffing machines, well it will certainly help with cleaning up all the blood, from a war with the west.

The only reason iran is so arrogant now with the west, is because they have china & russia in bed with them, & they know the american dont want another war, neither do the europeans, israel is in a coma, but the village idiots running iran are going to get bombed one way or another, my guess is israel under secret american backing will do the dirty work, and that will be the best thing the jewish nation could ever do for us, to rid us of these religous nuts, who should all be in a asylum, not running countries.