Bush Calls Iran Grave Threat, Surprises Staff… (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/01/14/bush-calls-iran-grave-thr_n_13798.html)
President Bush declared yesterday that a nuclear-armed Iran would pose "a grave threat to the security of the world" as he tried to rally support from other major powers for U.N. Security Council action unless a defiant Tehran abandons any aspirations for nuclear weapons.
The Security Council cannot deal with Iran like Iraq , ruined by war Iraq had no choice but to give UN inspectors unfettered access . Iran not only has a formidable military , but it has strong economic ties with Russia and China, both of whom wield vetoes on the Security Council .The US literally bulldozed their way into Iraq, but how will they handle Iran?
Iran Air Strikes 'Under Consideration' (http://www.antiwar.com/ips/suri.php?articleid=8386)
LONDON - Western powers are already planning use of the military option in the face of Iran's insistence that it will go ahead with what it calls its nuclear research program, a leading expert says.
The United States repeatedly has told Iran that developing nuclear weapons capability is unacceptable. Yet experts estimate Iran is at least 5 years away from being able to produce a nuclear bomb.
So what's the urgency to attack ?
Could this be the reason ?
Iran - a threat to the petrodollar? (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/C1C0C9B3-DDA9-42E2-AE9C-B7CDBA08A6E9.htm)
Iran's decision to set up an oil and associated derivatives market next year has generated a great deal of interest.

This is primarily because of Iran's reported intention to invoice energy contracts in euros rather than dollars.

The contention that this could unseat the dollar's dominance as the de facto currency for oil transactions may be overstated, but this has not stopped many commentators from linking America's current political disquiet with Iran to the proposed Iranian Oil Bourse (IOB).

America is fighting for its economic life , thats why , and Iran is the key to Americas economic survival , not a group of bearded fanatics living Iran .

Wow, the conspiracy theorist always just rehash old conspiracies and just slap them on the new country of interest. That "threat" of Iran using Euros instead of dollars was also used to explain the invasion in Iraq. The conspiracy idiots just peeled it off Iraq and stuck it on it's neighbor. This is getting old.

I also love how people keep forgetting that it's not just USA vs Iran, the majority of the Western Nations (and Russia) do not want Iran wielding nuclear bombs.

The Security Council cannot deal with Iran like Iraq , ruined by war Iraq had no choice but to give UN inspectors unfettered access . Iran not only has a formidable military , but it has strong economic ties with Russia and China, both of whom wield vetoes on the Security Council .The US literally bulldozed their way into Iraq, but how will they handle Iran?

The United States repeatedly has told Iran that developing nuclear weapons capability is unacceptable. Yet experts estimate Iran is at least 5 years away from being able to produce a nuclear bomb.
So what's the urgency to attack ?
Could this be the reason ?

America is fighting for its economic life , thats why , and Iran is the key to Americas economic survival , not a group of bearded fanatics living Iran .


"Iran not only has a formidable military"

MY ARSE, EVEN FRANCE COULD BEAT THEM, WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON WALNUT, mr walnut muslims fighting the west today, in any air or land war is no contest even a nut like you should know that, your friends in iran, are making there move now FOR ONE REASON THE ISRAEL PRESIDENT IS IN A COMA, are we getting the picture walnut, the only country that will attack iran here is israel, america has green lighted them, to be there trojan horse, iran is counting on developing nukes before israel has a new president, i am sure even a walnut like you absolute folly can read between the lines.


5 years a way from nukes, give me a break, they have all the know how from pakistan, you know walnut there months from developing them, save your crap for the salvation army, or oxfam i am not buying it walnut the only thing your selling here walnut is your nuts as usual.

Wow, the conspiracy theorist always just rehash old conspiracies and just slap them on the new country of interest. That "threat" of Iran using Euros instead of dollars was also used to explain the invasion in Iraq. The conspiracy idiots just peeled it off Iraq and stuck it on it's neighbor. This is getting old.
What conspiracy ? It is actually happening , or is this according to you a figment of OPEC's imagination . This is from the Energy Bulletin , there media business is petroleum , you cant agrgue with that now can you .
Petrodollar Warfare: Dollars, Euros and the Upcoming Iranian Oil Bourse (http://www.energybulletin.net/7707.html)
Contemporary warfare has traditionally involved underlying conflicts regarding economics and resources. Today these intertwined conflicts also involve international currencies, and thus increased complexity. Current geopolitical tensions between the United States and Iran extend beyond the publicly stated concerns regarding Iran’s nuclear intentions, and likely include a proposed Iranian “petroeuro” system for oil trade.
Oh and just to let you know Iran has started selling in Euros already.
Iran starts to sell oil in Euros (http://www.mehrnews.com/en/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=260851)
I also love how people keep forgetting that it's not just USA vs Iran, the majority of the Western Nations (and Russia) do not want Iran wielding nuclear bombs.
This is from the EU's official website it says they are satified Iran is not building any bomb .
That Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively for peaceful purposes. (http://europa.eu.int/comm/external_relations/iran/intro/gac.htm)
IAEA says likewise
IAEA confirms peaceful nature of Iran's nuclear activities: chief negotiator 06/11/2005 (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-06/11/content_3073327.htm)
Russia likewise
Russian Atomic Energy Minister: Iran Has No Technology to Produce A-Bomb (http://www.rosbaltnews.com/2002/12/28/60899.html)
Fact is The EU and Russia are trying to get Iran not to do anything that will give the US a green light to launch an illegal invasion .

vincent:

MY ARSE, EVEN FRANCE COULD BEAT THEM, WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON WALNUT, mr walnut muslims fighting the west today, in any air or land war is no contest even a nut like you should know that, your friends in iran, are making there move now FOR ONE REASON THE ISRAEL PRESIDENT IS IN A COMA
1. Iran has a formidable military.

2. Iran was defying the U.S long before Sharon went into a coma.

"Iran not only has a formidable military"

LOL

Yeah, thats why they went to war with the "formidable military" of Iraq and had a stalemate for 10 years. The same "formidable military" that we steam rolled in 4 days.

Well they do have some T-72s....
No real Airforce
No real Navy
Oh yeah....very formidable.....

From the Military Factory:

United States of America VS Iran

$399 Billion Yearly MilitaryExpense $4.3 Billion
3.9% % of GNP 3.3%
18 Min. Enlist Age 21
73,597,731 Available Manpower 20,937,348
471,500 Active Military 325,000
220,000 Frontline Personnel 240,000
18,169 Aircraft 954
29,920 Armor 2,380
5,178 Artillery 4,594
35,324 Missile Defense 1,760
2,441 Infantry Support 12,500

Now these #s dont include Naval forces (not like Iran has a Navy)
The biggest difference of course being air assets.

vincent:

1. Iran has a formidable military.


Formidable to whom? The Pacific island of Tonga? Ethiopia? Denmark?

If we can call the Iranian military "formidable", than it would be safe to call the U.S. military "invincible". Nice try.

What conspiracy ? It is actually happening , or is this according to you a figment of OPEC's imagination . This is from the Energy Bulletin , there media business is petroleum , you cant agrgue with that now can you .

It's a conspiracy because they use that to explain each and every action by the U.S. First it was the reason why the U.S. invaded Iraq, now it's the reason why the U.S. might invade Iran (even though invasion will only be an option after sanctions).

The truth is, Iran or Iraq trading oil in Euros will not hurt the U.S. dollar. It will still remain as the standard in business because it is the most stable. It's an extremely weak reason to invade a country. A Conspiracy is all it is.

This is from the EU's official website it says they are satified Iran is not building any bomb .
That Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively for peaceful purposes.
IAEA says likewise
IAEA confirms peaceful nature of Iran's nuclear activities: chief negotiator 06/11/2005
Russia likewise
Russian Atomic Energy Minister: Iran Has No Technology to Produce A-Bomb

Well obviously they don't have the ability now. Who the hell said they did? What the U.S., Russia and the EU are trying to do is stop them from gaining the ability to develop WMD. That's what all the talks are for, stop them from getting the enrichment technology and the ability to create WMD. The fact is, Iran wants to build bombs. Russia has already agreed to enrich their uranium for them so that they can only be used for what the Iranians claim they want to use them for, nuclear energy. But Iran doesn't want that. Why? Because they want nuclear weapons. And that can't happen. Not just for the United States' sake, but for all the Western Nations.

crazy:

Yeah, thats why they went to war with the "formidable military" of Iraq and had a stalemate for 10 years. The same "formidable military" that we steam rolled in 4 days.

Iran has buffed up since then...

@QuarkMoon
I dont think you understand , as long as the US $ is the standard world currency it gives the US literally a right to print money , the effect is like an interest free loan on the economy . Switching to the Euro as is now the case means that seeing the EU is the mideasts biggest customer it makes sense for OPEC to trade in Euros and buy Euro reserves thereby displacing the US $ . So literally the US lifeline is keeping Iran firmly locked up .

@QuarkMoon
I dont think you understand , as long as the US $ is the standard world currency it gives the US literally a right to print money , the effect is like an interest free loan on the economy . Switching to the Euro as is now the case means that seeing the EU is the mideasts biggest customer it makes sense for OPEC to trade in Euros and buy Euro reserves thereby displacing the US $ . So literally the US lifeline is keeping Iran firmly locked up .


Again, the standard would remain for all other markets. The flucuation of the Euro is extreme compared to the Dollar, stability beats worth anyday.

Also, this isn't the first time OPEC and other oil producers have threatened to drop the USDollar. It happened before during the Jimmy Carter administration, but than the Dollar rebounded and no one looked back. The Dollar will rebound again, like it always has throughout history, and OPEC will continue to tow the line. Like I said, it's a conspiracy theory, as proven by it's weakness in reality. It's not the reason why the U.S. went into Iraq (it was for the oil, not the possiblity of switching to the damn Euro) and it's certainly not the reason why the U.S. might go into Iran. Oh, and the idea of invading Iran is so remote, it's actually a waste of time to be discussing it right now.

Mountain,

even if it doubled it would still get crapped on. Their equipment is garbage!

Mountain,

even if it doubled it would still get crapped on. Their equipment is garbage!


Not to mention their infrastructure and technology is no match.

Wow, the conspiracy theorist always just rehash old conspiracies and just slap them on the new country of interest. That "threat" of Iran using Euros instead of dollars was also used to explain the invasion in Iraq. The conspiracy idiots just peeled it off Iraq and stuck it on it's neighbor. This is getting old.

How is that getting old and where is it just a rehash? Since that IS the reason for the war in the Middle East, wouldn't that mean it would apply to all countries there? Now hey, if a new conspiracy theory was said for Iran, then it would be showing how those people are wrong since they can't make up their minds. The wars in the Middle East ARE an economic war to save the U.S. from having to pay higher prices for oil as that would cripple us due to our high reliance on that black gold. Having euros being used for oil weakens the dollar and we can't have that. And hey, when we wind up invading Venezula, I suppose it's all because Hugo Chavez is such a bad, bad man and you'll believe it so. Funny how only the bad leaders that require military action all happen to be from oil-rich countries. Yeah, that has nooooothing to do with our reasonings for invading.. lol..


I also love how people keep forgetting that it's not just USA vs Iran, the majority of the Western Nations (and Russia) do not want Iran wielding nuclear bombs.

It's not that they don't want Iran to be a nuclear power because they're worried about em or anything, it's just that they don't want any country to have em anymore. Switzerland is no threat but people don't want them having no nukes even though we'll never have to worry about a neutral country such as them doing anything with em.

Yeah, thats why they went to war with the "formidable military" of Iraq and had a stalemate for 10 years. The same "formidable military" that we steam rolled in 4 days.

Well they do have some T-72s....
No real Airforce
No real Navy
Oh yeah....very formidable.....

From the Military Factory:

United States of America VS Iran

$399 Billion Yearly MilitaryExpense $4.3 Billion

Wow, look at those numbers. Lots of money on our side. Want some even better numbers? Let's show the wealth of the Iraqi populace armed with only AKs and small explosives yet look at the soldiers they're killing on a daily basis. Yeah, money helps, but it in no way means guaranteed success. Hell, just look at the mighty Soviets losing to the people of Afghanistan, heh.

- N

How is that getting old and where is it just a rehash? Since that IS the reason for the war in the Middle East, wouldn't that mean it would apply to all countries there?

It is not a war in the middle east. It's a war in Iraq. Stop trying to spread it elsewhere. Last time I checked, Iraq was the only country that was invaded. If it applied to all countries, than the U.S. would be invading every single country that sells oil.

The oil industry switching to the Euro will not weaken the dollar because all other markets will remain. Not only that, as soon as the Euro goes on it's dips and the Dollar rebounds like it always has than they will switch back. They threaten to switch everytime the Dollar loses value for an extended period of time, but they know it will rebound, and it is the most stable currency in the world. It is not reason enough to invade. The invasion was for the oil itself cloaked in the "war on terror" fallacy. What's better, paying for oil, whether it's through the Euro or the Dollar, or free oil?

It's not that they don't want Iran to be a nuclear power because they're worried about em or anything, it's just that they don't want any country to have em anymore. Switzerland is no threat but people don't want them having no nukes even though we'll never have to worry about a neutral country such as them doing anything with em.

How do you know this? Everything the EU and Russia have said is they do not want Iran to develop nuclear bombs because Iran is dangerous. Now, if you have inside information, please, cite it. And if Russia and the EU simply did not want countries to have them anymore to stop nuclear proliferation, they would get rid of their own and stop providing uranium.

Hell, just look at the mighty Soviets losing to the people of Afghanistan, heh.


With who's help? Afghanistan won because of the U.S., read a damn history book. And the amount of soldiers dieing from insurgence in Iraq is nothing compared to past wars. They aren't doing anything except giving people like you more fodder to throw around. They have failed in disrupting elections, they have failed in disrupting military progress for the Iraqi army. I'm as against the war as everyone else, but even I can see the insurgence are just pathetic suicide bombers killing themselves because they've been brainwashed. I don't respect their efforts, I pity them.

Again, the standard would remain for all other markets. The flucuation of the Euro is extreme compared to the Dollar, stability beats worth anyday.
Look , when the EU adhered to a single market of 450 millionm consumers it eclipse America , when they adopted the Euro the Euro became the world biggest currency . Fact is the mathmatics is thus , the US economy as sole distributor of mideast oil generates some $1 trillion into its economy annually . If the EU gets control of Iran thereby outflanking US oil companies , thereby securing its own control over oil distribution America loses that $!trillon .

vincent:

1. Iran has a formidable military.

2. Iran was defying the U.S long before Sharon went into a coma.
So did iraq, a million troops, the americans were pulling his statue down in bagdad in a week or so, muslims can not fight to save there lives, they are only capable of using terroism to fight us, all those wars with israel, yet syria, egypt, lebanon, palestine, jordan, were not able to even give israel a bloody nose, a pathetic 5 million population, so pleeeeese dont kid me, or others on the muslim fighting machine, it does not exist, & never will unless it is in the form of terroism, & iran could not even defeat iraq in its war with them, if they could not defeat iraq, what chance do they have against a western country.


"2. Iran was defying the U.S long before Sharon went into a coma."

Iran after 2 years of talking, has only this week removed the UN seals, are you telling me its just a coincidence that sharon is in a coma, when they do it, do you believe in fairies too.


Let me tell you something i think iran is about to make the mistake of there life, if the religous nuts had a brain in iran, they would know that israel is now in a perfect situation to bomb them, between presidents no one to blame directly for a attack, just a make shift president, a new president is voted in with a clean pair of hands, while irans nukes facilities & its religous leaders hopefully have all been bombed out of existence

Look , when the EU adhered to a single market of 450 millionm consumers it eclipse America , when they adopted the Euro the Euro became the world biggest currency . Fact is the mathmatics is thus , the US economy as sole distributor of mideast oil generates some $1 trillion into its economy annually . If the EU gets control of Iran thereby outflanking US oil companies , thereby securing its own control over oil distribution America loses that $!trillon .


Provide a source for that trillion dollar number. I've heard it before but I've never been able to find information about it.

And your argument is incomplete. Since when is Iran the only oil provider? Last time I checked, there is Iraq, Venezuela, and that one country ruled by a king, it goes by the name of Saudi Arabia (not to mention Russia and various other countries). Iran going to the EU will not tip the scales in the slightest. If OPEC switched to the Euro, you might have a point, but like I said, the other markets would remain, and OPEC switching to the Euro is unlikely.

It is not a war in the middle east. It's a war in Iraq. Stop trying to spread it elsewhere. Last time I checked, Iraq was the only country that was invaded. If it applied to all countries, than the U.S. would be invading every single country that sells oil.

Uh huh. We'll see. If military action isn't taken against Iran, I'll give you $100. If military action is taken against Iran, you gimme $25.


The oil industry switching to the Euro will not weaken the dollar because all other markets will remain.

Strengthen the Euro, weaken the dollar; symantics. The end result is that we'll be paying more for oil. And I don't care what prices you wanna raise in other markets to compensate for it, but it won't be to our advantage. Oil is too important and outweights everything else.

Not only that, as soon as the Euro goes on it's dips and the Dollar rebounds like it always has than they will switch back. They threaten to switch everytime the Dollar loses value for an extended period of time, but they know it will rebound, and it is the most stable currency in the world. It is not reason enough to invade.

But we won't have to worry about all that happening when we simply invade the countries that wanna switch from the dollar to the euro.

The invasion was for the oil itself cloaked in the "war on terror" fallacy. What's better, paying for oil, whether it's through the Euro or the Dollar, or free oil?

What free oil? You think that just because we conquer a country that the oil is now free for us? No, it keeps the prices the same for citizens but increases the pockets of the oil tycoons. You think they're gonna be nice and let us citizens pay less for gas? Yeah right. And you fail to realize that another benefit for attacking these countries is that it hurts those that were hoping to have it switched to the euro. It's not all just a "wow, invading them will really help us" which makes it not seem so important where we'd wanna go through the hassle of invading all for that, but it's hitting two birds with one stone in that it helps us but also hurts our buying competitors.

How do you know this? Everything the EU and Russia have said is they do not want Iran to develop nuclear bombs because Iran is dangerous.

What, you've never heard of realpolitik? They're just saying that to please us. People say crap like that all the time to get us off their backs. The EU and Russia have loads of trade deals with the Iran so they could care less. Russia has a billion+ arms trade with em along with their oil and for EU as well. Same goes for China. If they were so dangerous, they wouldn't bother with those types of deals.

And if Russia and the EU simply did not want countries to have them anymore to stop nuclear proliferation, they would get rid of their own and stop providing uranium.

Exactly, and they're not getting rid of their own nukes or stopping to provide nuclear uranium which means hey, go right ahead Iran and do your research!


With who's help? Afghanistan won because of the U.S., read a damn history book.

Yes, and? They still won. Every war ends with the aid of some other country. Read a damn history book.

And the amount of soldiers dieing from insurgence in Iraq is nothing compared to past wars.

Well they sure do have a nice kill to death ratio this time around especially when you compare the number of Iraqi soldiers we've killed to the number of soldiers we've lost.

They have failed in disrupting elections, they have failed in disrupting military progress for the Iraqi army.

They failed to disrupt the elections? Are you sure? The guys we were hoping to be in charge aren't too popular and the constitution that has been passed is basically the same one that existed while under Saddam. Iraq is under Islamic law in a similar fashion that Iran is, lol. Yay for democracy!

As for military progress, what progress? You mean training ex-Iraqi soldiers to be better soldiers? Hiring ex-generals to be better generals? It's the same army with the same people!


I'm as against the war as everyone else, but even I can see the insurgence are just pathetic suicide bombers killing themselves because they've been brainwashed. I don't respect their efforts, I pity them.

Those suicide bombers are brainwashed? Yep, just the same as those fighting our war are, I agree. I pity our soldiers as well and those that support the war. How did Henry Kissinger put it? "Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy"?

- N

Iran has had 16 years to rearm .
AP: Iran Amassing Military Equipment (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151558,00.html)
VIENNA, Austria — Iran is quietly building a stockpile of thousands of high-tech small arms and other military equipment — from armor-piercing snipers' rifles to night-vision goggles — through legal weapons deals and a U.N. anti-drug program, according to an internal U.N. document, arms dealers and Western diplomats.

The buying spree is raising Bush administration fears the arms could end up with militants in Iraq. Tehran (search) also is seeking approval for a U.N.-funded satellite network that Iran says it needs to fight drug smugglers, stoking U.S. worries it could be used to spy on Americans in Iraq or Afghanistan — or any U.S. reconnaissance in Iran itself.

The United States has a strict embargo on most trade with Iran, which it accuses of supporting terrorist organizations and trying to build nuclear arms (search). It also has imposed sanctions on dozens of companies worldwide over the past decade for supplying Tehran with equipment that could be used for nuclear or conventional warfare.

Much of the military hardware has been hard to hide — sales of tanks and anti-ship missiles by Belarus and China, or helicopters and artillery pieces from Russia have been well documented by U.S. authorities and international nongovernment agencies.

Other weapons are smuggled and may be revealed only by chance — such as the consignment of 12 nuclear-capable cruise missiles delivered by Ukrainian arms dealers to Iran four years ago but divulged by Ukrainian opposition officials only recently.
Also the purchase of advance Russian anti-aircraft weponery
Russia sells anti-missile systems in Iran (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1532563/posts)
ran signed a contract with Russia on the sale of 29 Russian systems anti-missile Tor M-1, affirmed Friday the financial daily newspaper Russian Vedomosti, quoting sources in Russian military industry.

"Iran will defend itself against the United States and Israel with the Russian systems Tor M-1", titrated Vedomosti with the one.
Time you guys joined up .

crazy:

Iran has buffed up since then...
What they have bought hundreds of buffing machines, well it will certainly help with cleaning up all the blood, from a war with the west.

The only reason iran is so arrogant now with the west, is because they have china & russia in bed with them, & they know the american dont want another war, neither do the europeans, israel is in a coma, but the village idiots running iran are going to get bombed one way or another, my guess is israel under secret american backing will do the dirty work, and that will be the best thing the jewish nation could ever do for us, to rid us of these religous nuts, who should all be in a asylum, not running countries.

Iran not only has a formidable military
I would like to think America has a "formidable" military as well :p . The American military machine (with allies, of course) wields incredible power. The Soviets spent ten years fighting Afghanistan? No big deal, we did it in three months.

experts estimate Iran is at least 5 years away from being able to produce a nuclear bomb.
estimate

Key word being estimate.

Experts also estimated that 9/11 (or a terrorist attack of that magnitude) wasn't supposed to happen until at least 2004. Estimations are exactly what they are; no more, no less. "Expert" is such a loosely defined word in today's society I honestly don't know what to think when confronted with the almighty "Well, experts say..." argument.

Uh huh. We'll see. If military action isn't taken against Iran, I'll give you $100. If military action is taken against Iran, you gimme $25.

Please, I'll give you more than $25 if Iran is invaded. But to be fair, set a time frame.

Strengthen the Euro, weaken the dollar; symantics. The end result is that we'll be paying more for oil. And I don't care what prices you wanna raise in other markets to compensate for it, but it won't be to our advantage. Oil is too important and outweights everything else.

Your opinion, not fact. Oil is certainly important, but if you look at the stock market, we get a ton of income from non-oil industries.

But we won't have to worry about all that happening when we simply invade the countries that wanna switch from the dollar to the euro.

It's not worth it. Look how much this war cost, invading countries nonchalantly is not possible in reality.

What free oil? You think that just because we conquer a country that the oil is now free for us? No, it keeps the prices the same for citizens but increases the pockets of the oil tycoons.

Exactly, you just provided more evidence for my argument. The war was for the oil, it had nothing to do with the threat of switching to the Euro.

What, you've never heard of realpolitik? They're just saying that to please us. People say crap like that all the time to get us off their backs. The EU and Russia have loads of trade deals with the Iran so they could care less. Russia has a billion+ arms trade with em along with their oil and for EU as well. Same goes for China. If they were so dangerous, they wouldn't bother with those types of deals.

We all trade with Iran. The U.S. trades with Iran as well. What does that have to do with anything? And unless you can provide sources for your "realpolitik" claim, I will not respond to it any further. It doesn't validate your argument considering their actions so far do not support your claims.

Exactly, and they're not getting rid of their own nukes or stopping to provide nuclear uranium which means hey, go right ahead Iran and do your research!

So than why did you say they are helping because they just don't want any country to have nukes anymore? Stick to your stories please.

Yes, and? They still won. Every war ends with the aid of some other country. Read a damn history book.

Exactly, so trying to boast that the Afghans beat the Soviets is ignorance. They won because we helped, it was basically the Soviet Union vs Afghanistan and the United States. It doesn't help your argument.

Well they sure do have a nice kill to death ratio this time around especially when you compare the number of Iraqi soldiers we've killed to the number of soldiers we've lost.

Huh? What ae you talking about. The number of insurgents and Iraqi military dead at the hands of the U.S. military compared to U.S. casualties is huge. 1,200 to 1,600 insurgents were killed on a single assault in Fallujah. :bugeye:

They failed to disrupt the elections? Are you sure? The guys we were hoping to be in charge aren't too popular and the constitution that has been passed is basically the same one that existed while under Saddam. Iraq is under Islamic law in a similar fashion that Iran is, lol. Yay for democracy!

And this is thanks to the insurgence? Please try to follow your own line of reasoning please, it gets annoying to keep reminding you. That has nothing to do with the insurgence, it has everything to do with the people in power.

As for military progress, what progress? You mean training ex-Iraqi soldiers to be better soldiers? Hiring ex-generals to be better generals? It's the same army with the same people!

Again, how is the insurgence responsible for this? This is the poor planning by the inept/corrupt Bush Administration, not insurgence.

Those suicide bombers are brainwashed? Yep, just the same as those fighting our war are, I agree. I pity our soldiers as well and those that support the war. How did Henry Kissinger put it? "Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy"?

- N

Yes, they are quite brainwashed. They are being told that by killing themselves they will go to heaven and be rewarded with virgins and some other crap. They are being brainwashed by terrorist leaders telling them Allah will reward them for every "infidel" they kill. Like I said, I pity them.

Iran has had 16 years to rearm .

Also the purchase of advance Russian anti-aircraft weponery

Time you guys joined up .
Walnut

Yeah russia is well known for there high tech military weapons, like there nuclear subs that fall apart under water, or other subs that the uk has to rescue, & all the high tech crap that bogged them down in afghanistan for a decade, yet it took the americans a week to defeat them.

walnut dont you know, the americans sell there outdated equipment to thailand, and other third world countries, the brits sell there outdated crap to the canadians amonst others.

Walnut you can have all the high tech crap in the world, but at the end of the day its about military training, the iranians could not beat zimbabwe in a fight.

Take the Ethiopia-Eritrea war in Africa for example. Both countries are poor. Ethiopia is a country with a population of 60 million, Eritrea has a population of just over 3 million. Ethiopia was backed by the Soviet Union, providing tanks, planes, and money. Eritrea recieved small monetary aid from Syria and Saudi Arabia.

Eritrea won that 30 year war. How did they do it? Superior training and tactics. They would let the Ethiopians barrel through with their tanks, and than hijack them and use them against the Ethiopians. They would use guerilla tactics to take out hundreds of Ethiopian soldiers without suffering casualties of their own.

Ethiopia who had Russian supplied weapons and money, lost to a tiny country who used superior tactics to hijack and use the weaponry against the harsh Marxist regime.

A prime example of what vincent is talking about.

Look , when the EU adhered to a single market of 450 millionm consumers it eclipse America , when they adopted the Euro the Euro became the world biggest currency . Fact is the mathmatics is thus , the US economy as sole distributor of mideast oil generates some $1 trillion into its economy annually . If the EU gets control of Iran thereby outflanking US oil companies , thereby securing its own control over oil distribution America loses that $!trillon .
Ah the pathetic euro, if america had not invaded iraq, it would have collapsed, it was like toilet paper against the dollar, walnut do you know your wonder currency is not even recognised as a trading currency, in thailand holiday makers from europe have to change there money into pounds or dollars, in there own countries before setting off to thailand as the euro is not even traded here, to buy thai baht, some wonder currency. The pound has always wiped the floor with the euro, such is the euros toilet paper strength.

Europe is pathetic america has the biggest economy in the world, the uk a tiny country has the fourth, so much for europe & the euro.

Look , when the EU adhered to a single market of 450 millionm consumers it eclipse America , when they adopted the Euro the Euro became the world biggest currency . Fact is the mathmatics is thus , the US economy as sole distributor of mideast oil generates some $1 trillion into its economy annually . If the EU gets control of Iran thereby outflanking US oil companies , thereby securing its own control over oil distribution America loses that $!trillon .Then why is German France and England siding with the USA in this matter?

Sure, oil is part of the equation but the more important aspects of the US economy are its governmental structure, level technology, quality of infrastructure, quality of education, and most of all ingenuity of the people.

I think that if we can somehow get through this time with Bush without hitting a tree or oil-rig, I hope that under a new leadership we pump money into renewable resources and soon oil will be a thing of the past (maybe 2030ish?). I’m actually looking forward to this day. I can only imagine what will happen to the ME – now THAT’LL be interesting!

Regardless, Brian, surely you must agree that Iranians want nuclear weapons?

Take the Ethiopia-Eritrea war in Africa for example. Both countries are poor.
And both nations fought with Russian weaponery whats your point .

Be as selective as you wish in this case .

FACT : Vietnam equipped with Russian weaponery beat the Americans who threw almost evertything they had at them .
FACT : North Korea fought off America with Russian supplied weaponery .

Then why is German France and England siding with the USA in this matter?
Europe does not agree with any military option against Iran , and Europe unlike America openly says Iran is pursuing the atom for peaceful puposes . All Europe is doing is telling Iran to cease its nuclear activity in face of US hostility , Iran wanting a deal with the EU than the one offered is what has placed the EU on this course .
Sure, oil is part of the equation but the more important aspects of the US economy are its governmental structure, level technology, quality of infrastructure, quality of education, and most of all ingenuity of the people.
It is the only equation $1 trillon in cash injected into the US economy due to US monopoly control of the distribution of mideast oil to the lucrative European Union market which is the main component of the US economy . You realise without cash universities and industrial R & D turn evapoarte .
I think that if we can somehow get through this time with Bush without hitting a tree or oil-rig, I hope that under a new leadership we pump money into renewable resources and soon oil will be a thing of the past (maybe 2030ish?). I’m actually looking forward to this day. I can only imagine what will happen to the ME – now THAT’LL be interesting!
Im sorry I dont carry a crystal ball .
Regardless, Brian, surely you must agree that Iranians want nuclear weapons?
I have no qualms with Iran developing Atomic weapons , I believe Iran should be the only nation in the mideast that posesses such weapons . However the link sources I provided clearly state Iran does not have the industrial capacity nor technological applications to manufacture such a weapon and the EU , IAEA and Russia have all agreed that Iran is pursuing a nuclear energy programme for peaceful purposes .

And both nations fought with Russian weaponery whats your point .

That Eritrea used Russion weaponry that they stole and hijacked from Ethiopia. That's my point. Superior infrastructure and planning can defeat anyone. And that's something Iran doesn't have, which means their military is about as "formidable" as Sweden's.

Vietnam was an internal defeat. An unsupported war launched in the most corrupt way against an enemy we really shouldn't have been fighting. Kind of like Iraq.

and the EU , IAEA and Russia have all agreed that Iran is pursuing a nuclear energy programme for peaceful purposes .


And yet you continue to ignore points that have already been made. You keep repeating old points that have already been killed earlier in the thread and in other threads. You're as stubborn as the Bush administration when it comes to argument points, so I don't see why you don't like them, you act like them.

If Iran was persuing enrichment for peaceful purposes, than why do they refuse to let Russia enrich the uranium for them? The only reason is because they want the freedom to develop WMD.

That Eritrea used Russion weaponry that they stole and hijacked from Ethiopia.
The war was fought entirely with Russian weaponery proving that Russian equipment is satisfactory .
That's my point.
Your point was that Russian weaponery was inferior .
Superior infrastructure and planning can defeat anyone. And that's something Iran doesn't have, which means their military is about as "formidable" as Sweden's.
Show me some proof Quark , I mean seriously just alone on this thraed I have given some 7 sources to back up my claims . If Iran can pursue an atomic power programme , launch a sattellite and develop its Sahab SSM missile that is an indication that Iran has a capable infrastructure .
Vietnam was an internal defeat. An unsupported war launched in the most corrupt way against an enemy we really shouldn't have been fighting. Kind of like Iraq.
Still US state of the art weaponery was defeated by Russian weaponery .

And yet you continue to ignore points that have already been made. You keep repeating old points that have already been killed earlier in the thread and in other threads. You're as stubborn as the Bush administration when it comes to argument points, so I don't see why you don't like them, you act like them.
Show me one conclusive American investigation that has said Iran is actively pursuing an atomic weapons programme ? America is only saying they have a fear that Iran is pursuing such a programme , note the opeartive word "fear ".
If Iran was persuing enrichment for peaceful purposes, than why do they refuse to let Russia enrich the uranium for them? The only reason is because they want the freedom to develop WMD.
Christ dont you read current events the reason Iran gave and it was just last week also , was this Iran balked at the offer to have Russia supply enriched uranium, saying Moscow's recent gas dispute with Ukraine shows how easy it is for a supplier to turn off the tap. And is that not reasonable ?

The war was fought entirely with Russian weaponery proving that Russian equipment is satisfactory .

Yeah, satisfactory in a war between two of the poorest nations in the world. That's really something to brag about.

Your point was that Russian weaponery was inferior .

And who are you to tell me what my point was? My point is exactly what I stated it was, sir.

Show me some proof Quark , I mean seriously just alone on this thraed I have given some 7 sources to back up my claims . If Iran can pursue an atomic power programme , launch a sattellite and develop its Sahab SSM missile that is an indication that Iran has a capable infrastructure .

You have shown proof of nothing. You have posted various articles about unrelated events and than used your conspiracy theories to tie them together. You have not proven the Iranian military is formidable at all. Don't ask others to provide proof when you don't provide any yourself. And developing missles means you have a good enough infrastructure to fight a world super power? LOL!

Still US state of the art weaponery was defeated by Russian weaponery .

No, the weaponry played no part in the war. It was internal politics in the U.S. that defeated the U.S. Maybe you don't know anything about the state of politics at the time, but I suggest you do some Google searches. There was no way the U.S. would have continued that war, it was a country extremely divided with politicians being impeached, arrested, investigated, a president resigning, assassinations, and so on.

And who are you to tell me what my point was? My point is exactly what I stated it was, sir.
Your the one who brought it up , not me Im just answering it .
You have shown proof of nothing. You have posted various articles about unrelated events and than used your conspiracy theories to tie them together. You have not proven the Iranian military is formidable at all. Don't ask others to provide proof when you don't provide any yourself. And developing missles means you have a good enough infrastructure to fight a world super power? LOL!
What are you talking about ? These are the sources I posted below how are they unrelated to the line argument being pursued here ? These are points you raised , yourself .
Petrodollar Warfare: Dollars, Euros and the Upcoming Iranian Oil Bourse (http://www.energybulletin.net/7707.html)
Iran starts to sell oil in Euros (http://www.mehrnews.com/en/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=260851)
That Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively for peaceful purposes. (http://europa.eu.int/comm/external_relations/iran/intro/gac.htm)
IAEA confirms peaceful nature of Iran's nuclear activities: chief negotiator 06/11/2005 (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-06/11/content_3073327.htm)
Russian Atomic Energy Minister: Iran Has No Technology to Produce A-Bomb (http://www.rosbaltnews.com/2002/12/28/60899.html)
AP: Iran Amassing Military Equipment (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151558,00.html)
Russia sells anti-missile systems in Iran (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1532563/posts)
No, the weaponry played no part in the war.
55,000 dead US servicemen 10,000 helicopters lost some 5000 US aircraft shotdown how many tanks , APC's destroyed .
It was internal politics in the U.S. that defeated the U.S.
No a steady flow of reliable Russian weaponery flowed into Vietnam is what fucked America .

Now please could you answer my above post , which you have neglected to answer .
And yet you continue to ignore points that have already been made. You keep repeating old points that have already been killed earlier in the thread and in other threads. You're as stubborn as the Bush administration when it comes to argument points, so I don't see why you don't like them, you act like them.
Show me one conclusive American investigation that has said Iran is actively pursuing an atomic weapons programme ? America is only saying they have a fear that Iran is pursuing such a programme , note the opeartive word "fear ".
If Iran was persuing enrichment for peaceful purposes, than why do they refuse to let Russia enrich the uranium for them? The only reason is because they want the freedom to develop WMD.
Christ dont you read current events the reason Iran gave and it was just last week also , was this Iran balked at the offer to have Russia supply enriched uranium, saying Moscow's recent gas dispute with Ukraine shows how easy it is for a supplier to turn off the tap. And is that not reasonable ?

The only reason iran is so arrogant now with the west, is because they have china & russia in bed with them, & they know the american dont want another war, neither do the europeans, israel is in a coma, but the village idiots running iran are going to get bombed one way or another, my guess is israel under secret american backing will do the dirty work, and that will be the best thing the jewish nation could ever do for us, to rid us of these religous nuts, who should all be in a asylum, not running countries.

Yep, true. But they're also being arrogant with us because they know we're gonna attack em regardless. Why is everyone so quick to forget Bushs' Axis of Evil speeches? It'd be stupid for Iran not to resume it's nuclear research. They need all the preparation they can get before the oncoming war.

Your opinion, not fact.

Yep, everything we say is all our opinions. We're all entitled to our own opinions but not our own facts. All we gotta do is sit back and see how things unravel, then afterwards we get to play a fun game of "I Toldja So!" with each other.

It's not worth it. Look how much this war cost, invading countries nonchalantly is not possible in reality.

Whatcha mean it's not worth it? There's numerous benefits to wars. Hell, one of the biggest reasons is to see how well our new technology fares in real battle, even if the odds may be heavily in our favor. Aside from corporation greed, that's the biggest reason for the push of military action. We come up with all these great technologies and we gotta test em and put em to real time use. Those were the major reasons behind the last three conflicts we've been in.

What free oil? You think that just because we conquer a country that the oil is now free for us? No, it keeps the prices the same for citizens but increases the pockets of the oil tycoons.

Exactly, you just provided more evidence for my argument. The war was for the oil, it had nothing to do with the threat of switching to the Euro.

Uh, no. It's like this:

Switch to Euro = Paying shitloads and losing out on lots of profits. (far end of spectrum)
Paying current price = same o same o (middle of spectrum)
Going to War = saving/gaining lots from not switching to Euro and also saving/gaining lots for paying less than current price for oil while citizens still pay normal price or even more (other end of far spectrum)

There's a huge difference between the profits gained on each end of the spectrum.

We all trade with Iran. The U.S. trades with Iran as well.

Like what? We have numerous trade sanctions and trade embargoes against em.

And unless you can provide sources for your "realpolitik" claim, I will not respond to it any further. It doesn't validate your argument considering their actions so far do not support your claims.

Gee, how about history? Our allies talk the talk all the time but rarely walk the walk. All the talk they're doing with Iran is just to please us. They gain more from Iran than they would if they did helping us invade em. They just want Iran left alone. And yeah, they'd rather not have Iran being nuclear-capable, but it's not a threat to them no different than them not wanting Switzerland to have nukes even though they're no threat either.

Exactly, and they're not getting rid of their own nukes or stopping to provide nuclear uranium which means hey, go right ahead Iran and do your research!

So than why did you say they are helping because they just don't want any country to have nukes anymore? Stick to your stories please.

Huh? Where'd I say they're helping because they don't want any country to have nukes anymore? I said they could care less if Iran has nukes because they're of no threat to them. And then duh, it's obvious nobody wants others to have nukes, even if the country is of no threat. However, just because they don't want others to have nukes, it doesn't mean they're gonna stop them. In which you responded:

"And if Russia and the EU simply did not want countries to have them anymore to stop nuclear proliferation, they would get rid of their own and stop providing uranium."

Well duh, what you said just reinforces what I said. Since those countries aren't getting rid of their own nukes to set an example for others to not get nukes, it means they're not gonna do anything to stop others from pursuing nukes. And since they're not gonna stop others from pursuing nukes, it means what the EU and Russia is doing is, as I said, realpolitik and just talking for the sake of talking to please us. They talk the talk but don't walk the walk. They do that all the time.

Exactly, so trying to boast that the Afghans beat the Soviets is ignorance. They won because we helped, it was basically the Soviet Union vs Afghanistan and the United States. It doesn't help your argument.

It's not as if we had thousands of troops helping the Afghans repel the Soviets. Our help was mainly through arms and training. It was still primarily 99% Afghan vs the Soviets. The odds were still heavily in favor of the Soviets even though they had help from us much-like the odds are in our favor in Iraq even though the resistance is receiving help and aid from nearby Arab countries. My point that I was responding to Crazy151 with was that he seems to think an outstanding military is going to win every single time. History has shown that citizens of a defending country can repel the most mighty of forces. So why you responded against that point of mine is beyond me since we seem to be in agreement there.

Well they sure do have a nice kill to death ratio this time around especially when you compare the number of Iraqi soldiers we've killed to the number of soldiers we've lost.

Huh? What ae you talking about. The number of insurgents and Iraqi military dead at the hands of the U.S. military compared to U.S. casualties is huge. 1,200 to 1,600 insurgents were killed on a single assault in Fallujah.

Their kill to death ratio is still better than before. We don't have the numbers of the first Gulf War where we killed thousands of their troops but lost basically nothing. Even with our 2,000+ dead and at least 4x that amount wounded, they're doing much better without the aid of a conventional army of tanks, etc, they're just citizens armed with a rifle and explosives yet are doing more damage than their regular army has done.

With 1.2-1.6k dead from the assault on Fallujah, what else are the numbers? Just counting that assault makes the lowly citizen of no army have better killing odds than us. Go ahead and add in the other battles and that still has them doing more damage to us than the first Gulf War and the begining of the assault on Iraq combined. Funny how simple citizens barely armed can do more damage than the first Gulf War which Iraq had what, the 5th or 6th largest army at the time in the world and then their pretty weak army this time around too.

That was my point. Numbers were spouted off to somehow make it look like money always wins yet look at these citizens compared to the money those conventional armies had who were wiped out without much of a problem. If we do fight against Iran, their conventional army will be 10x as hard as Iraq was this time around and the citizens/insurgents will be even harder. They've nice terrain over there as well. A fight between us and Iran is going to be like a fight between the Soviets and the Afghans. And if you think Iran won't be getting help from anyone else, you're crazy.

Yes, they are quite brainwashed. They are being told that by killing themselves they will go to heaven and be rewarded with virgins and some other crap. They are being brainwashed by terrorist leaders telling them Allah will reward them for every "infidel" they kill. Like I said, I pity them.

What was that Gandhi quote someone mentioned in another thread? "What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy?" :)

Take the Ethiopia-Eritrea war in Africa for example. Both countries are poor. Ethiopia is a country with a population of 60 million, Eritrea has a population of just over 3 million. Ethiopia was backed by the Soviet Union, providing tanks, planes, and money. Eritrea recieved small monetary aid from Syria and Saudi Arabia.

Eritrea won that 30 year war. How did they do it? Superior training and tactics. They would let the Ethiopians barrel through with their tanks, and than hijack them and use them against the Ethiopians. They would use guerilla tactics to take out hundreds of Ethiopian soldiers without suffering casualties of their own.

Ethiopia who had Russian supplied weapons and money, lost to a tiny country who used superior tactics to hijack and use the weaponry against the harsh Marxist regime.

A prime example of what vincent is talking about.

It's also a good example of what I was talking about with the spouting off of numbers put into militaries. Money is just money and doesn't mean it'll guarantee a victory in war. And yes, some of those tactics those Eritreans used were pretty damned hilarious and must have shamed the Ethiopians. Heh, hijacking their own tanks, lol. Talk about embarassing!

Then why is German France and England siding with the USA in this matter?

Aside from the UK, we'll see how well the other countries "side" with us when the time comes. Until then, it's all the usual talk they do just so simply please us and get us off their backs with the usual pressuring we do.

Regardless, Brian, surely you must agree that Iranians want nuclear weapons?

Oh, I agree. They'd be fools not to want nuclear weapons after being called the Axis of Evil who we want to invade. However, there's still yet to be any proof that Iran is pursuing nuclear weaponry. It's all propoganda coming from us. And ss to what Iran will do with their nuclear weapons, assuming they're researching em, is what I disagree with. I'd hate to see Switzerland try and acquire nukes because then they might give them to terrorists as well! :rolleyes:

- N

Christ dont you read current events the reason Iran gave and it was just last week also , was this Iran balked at the offer to have Russia supply enriched uranium, saying Moscow's recent gas dispute with Ukraine shows how easy it is for a supplier to turn off the tap. And is that not reasonable ?

Christ dont you keep up with reality walnut, people all need a daily supply of gas to cook with or to be used for heating, hence europe looking elsewhere for gas, people do not need a daily supply of enriched uranium, & countries dont need a daily supply of it neither, and it does not have to run through pipes in the Ukraine to get to iran.....

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Oh, I agree. They'd be fools not to want nuclear weapons after being called the Axis of Evil who we want to invade. However, there's still yet to be any proof that Iran is pursuing nuclear weaponry. It's all propoganda coming from us. And ss to what Iran will do with their nuclear weapons, assuming they're researching em, is what I disagree with. I'd hate to see Switzerland try and acquire nukes because then they might give them to terrorists as well! :rolleyes:

- N
Thats the clincher which always amazes me , after the lies told over and again about Iraqs WMD and Atomic weapon pursuit , and then the final expose of it as a LIE ! People are still buying into this crap about Iran , for Fuck sake Iran has been found clean by the IAEA !

Thats the clincher which always amazes me , after the lies told over and again about Iraqs WMD and Atomic weapon pursuit , and then the final expose of it as a LIE ! People are still buying into this crap about Iran , for Fuck sake Iran has been found clean by the IAEA !

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4615636.stm
Last Updated: Monday, 16 January 2006, 15:56 GMT


The head of International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Mohamed ElBaradei - the UN's nuclear watchdog

Mr ElBaradei has told Newsweek magazine that after three years of intensive work, he is still not able to conclude that Iran's nuclear programme is aimed purely at energy creation rather than the manufacture of nuclear weapons.

"If they have the nuclear material and they have a parallel weaponisation programme along the way, they are really not very far - a few months - from a weapon," he said.
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Mr walnut do you know more than muslim Mohamed ElBaradei - head of the UN's nuclear watchdog, walnut the man is a muslim & even he is saying they could be months away frome nukes.

Once again walnut you are the one, who is telling pork pies here, not america, if you know more than the UN, why dont you set up your own united nations in australia, you can call it United Walnuts, or United Anarchists.

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Haha, vincent is a funny guy. Although he makes a strong point.

Any intelligent person can see that Iran wants nukes, in fact, Iran would be stupid NOT to persue them. However, what we need are less countries with nukes, not more.

Any intelligent person can see that Iran wants nukes, in fact, Iran would be stupid NOT to persue them. However, what we need are less countries with nukes, not more.
Well here is my proof
This is from the EU's official website it says they are satified Iran is not building any bomb .
Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively for peaceful purposes. (http://europa.eu.int/comm/external_relations/iran/intro/gac.htm)

IAEA confirms peaceful nature of Iran's nuclear activities: chief negotiator 06/11/2005 (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-06/11/content_3073327.htm)

Russian Atomic Energy Minister: Iran Has No Technology to Produce A-Bomb (http://www.rosbaltnews.com/2002/12/28/60899.html)

Now show me what evidence the US has that Iran does actually have an Atomic weapons programme ?

Yes, we've been over this. We already know they don't have a program right now. However, to suggest that if given the materials, they would not start a program is being niave.

Yes, we've been over this. We already know they don't have a program right now.
Thats good I will make note of what you say here for future refrerence .
However, to suggest that if given the materials, they would not start a program is being niave.
Based on what evidence .

Based on what evidence .

Common sense, the Presidents inflammatory remarks about Israel, common sense, threat of U.S. invasion, common sense, threat of attack from Israel, oh, and common sense.

Any country, given the resources and secrecy, would start a nuclear weapons program. Add to the predicament Iran finds itself in, threats of invasion by war-happy Bush, animosity toward Israel who has nuclear weapons. Their decline of the Russian offer to enrich their uranium for them, claiming that the supply may be cut off even though the Russians are one of their closest allies.

Well here is my proof
This is from the EU's official website it says they are satified Iran is not building any bomb .
Iran’s nuclear programme is exclusively for peaceful purposes. (http://europa.eu.int/comm/external_relations/iran/intro/gac.htm)

IAEA confirms peaceful nature of Iran's nuclear activities: chief negotiator 06/11/2005 (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-06/11/content_3073327.htm)

Russian Atomic Energy Minister: Iran Has No Technology to Produce A-Bomb (http://www.rosbaltnews.com/2002/12/28/60899.html)

Now show me what evidence the US has that Iran does actually have an Atomic weapons programme ?

So mr walnut the EU knows more than,
muslim Mohamed ElBaradei - head of the UN's nuclear watchdog,
Germany & France have no interest in stopping nutter countries or walnut countries getting nukes, hell they are doing billions of dollars of biz with iran, you pull some obscure chinese news link to back up your argument, china americas enemy, china that always takes the opposing view to america, and you have the cheek to rattle on about cnn be biased, like chinese news is not YOU ABSOLUTE WALNUT,


Mr walnut how about quoting iran news, or syria, or russia news too, anything to support your hatred of america, it sure makes it easy when the news link comes from a country, that is well known for hating america, walnut you really are turning into a poisened walnut, all you say is i hate, i hate, i hate, conspiracy, conspiracy,conspiracy, how about love walnut, do you know the meaning of it.


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how about love walnut,
I love you chin nut , I think English morris dancers like yourself are the tops !

Quarkmoon:

Common sense, the Presidents inflammatory remarks about Israel, common sense, threat of U.S. invasion, common sense, threat of attack from Israel, oh, and common sense.

Perhaps it is reasonable to SUSPECT that Iran is constructing the A-Bomb, but threatening sanctions, and even military action based on 'suspicion' isn't exactly a great idea. It backfired in Iraq...

Brian Foley
Resisting reality (1,177 rants)

Walnut is this your last throw of the dice, before they take you to the nut farm in oz, you seem more & more deranged & unhinged by the day.


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