I believe it a feasible comment to suggest that there is a great possibility that there exists what I would like to refer to them as "Invisible Flying Objects" (IFO's) occupying this planets air space that we have no knowledge about what so ever.

I believe that we're not alone and UFO's have genuinely been sighted, but I also believe that some of these "visitors" may posses higher technological advances than others. Some occasionally crash.

I couldn't agree with this more. For all the Alien space craft that we DO see, just imagine how many there are, which could be right in front of our faces at this very moment that we DON'T see! Also, I wonder how many times people have missed what should have been sightings of the invisable lock ness monster, and Invisable big foot.

This concept really blows the paranormal world as we know it wide open, in my opinion, for every strange thing that we see, just imagnie how very very many of the same events take place, only invisable. Clearly this is something to consider with some great seriousness.

A sanctimonious idiosyncratic smidgen of puffed up blowfish poop might be able to see them. Maybe.

Feasible?
Possibly.

Why would something like this be reasonable to believe?

Oh.
Wait a second.
This is pseudoscience...
What does reasonability have to do with ANYTHING? :rolleyes:

"Invisible Flying Objects" (IFO's) occupying this planets air space that we have no knowledge about what so ever.

And if they were invisible perhaps they would not violate the Pauli exclusion principle; any number of IFO’s could occupy the same place and remain in the same state.

At this point I’d like to steal an excellent quote from Mr. G:

“The invisible and the non-existent are one and the same.”

Well, it's possible. The Philidelphia experiment comes to mind when I think of the possibility. This used electromagnetism I believe, and since UFO's, in all likelihood use this type of mechanism for propulsion, I have no doubt there could very well be IFO's.

norad

Of course you must realize the Philadelphia Experiment is pure bunk and is only in the realm of science fiction.

Do you also believe Star Trek is real?

Of course not, Q! Man you are some pissy! I'm just stating the implications are there. Philedelphia experiment-go here: http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm909.html

I don't believe it was totally bunk, Q. The fact that the experiment was to use a magnetic field led to my reply to this thread. Live with it or die ignorant.

And what are doing in Pseudoscience Q? Are you implying that you are a 'troll'? I would love to meet you Q, in person. You seem like a pissy person, but hey, I can be pissy too and down right violent.

norad

The fact that the experiment was to use a magnetic field led to my reply to this thread. Live with it or die ignorant.

The "experiment" never existed in the first place.

I can be pissy too and down right violent.

You also have an amazing talent for stating the obvious.

Q. I didn't say it was real; I stated I don't believe it's totally bunk, meaning that the possibility is real. There is a difference. Read the post again-the implications are there! That doesn't prove that invisibility exists, but it doesn't disprove it either.

You also have an amazing talent for stating the obvious.

Too bad you cannot see yourself as that, Q. It shows that you don't even have the brain power to even think of possibilities. This, in turn, shows your ignorance and arrogance. Sorry Q, not trying to start anything like you always seem to do just "stating the obvious" in your own words.

Norad

That doesn't prove that invisibility exists, but it doesn't disprove it either

Using your logic, there also exists the possibility of gods, flying purple dragons, and the dead rising from their graves, right?

It shows that you don't even have the brain power to even think of possibilities.

You just proved my point, Q. Einstein was even pondering if the possibility of invisibility existed. So, go to your other boards, Q. You are really boring me with your grade 2 IQ.

norad

Einstein was even pondering if the possibility of invisibility existed.

Please cite a valid reference to this extraordinary claim.

I'm quite sure you cannot, but I'll leave you the benefit of the doubt.

Project Rainbow was allegedly an experiment conducted upon a small destroyer escort ship during World War II, both in the Philadelphia Naval Yard and at sea; the goal was to make that ship invisible to enemy detection. The accounts vary as to whether the original idea was to achieve invisibility to enemy radar or whether the prize sought after was more profound: optical invisibility. Either way, it is commonly believed that the mechanism involved was the generation of an incredibly intense magnetic field around the ship, which would cause refraction or bending of light or radar waves around the ship, much like a mirage created by heated air over a road on a summer day. The legend goes on to say that the experiment was a complete success... except that the ship actually disappeared physically for a time, and then returned. They wanted to 'cloak' the ship from view, but they got de-materialization and teleportation instead... It has been claimed that the Philadelphia Experiment was partly an investigation into how Albert Einstein's 'Unified Field Theory for Gravitation and Electricity' might be used to advantage in the development of electronic camouflage for ships at sea. Einstein allegedly published his Unified Theory around 1925-27 in German, in a Prussian scientific journal, but it was later withdrawn as incomplete. This research was aimed at using intense electromagnetic fields to mask a ship from incoming projectiles, mainly torpedoes. This was later extended to include a study of creating radar invisibility by a similar field in the air rather than in the water. The story begins in June of 1943, with the U.S.S. Eldridge, DE (Destroyer Escort) 173, being fitted with tons of experimental electronic equipment. This included, according to one source, two massive generators of 75 KVA each, mounted where the forward gun turret would have been, distributing their power through four magnetic coils mounted on the deck. Three RF transmitters (2 megawatt CW each, mounted on the deck), three thousand '6L6' power amplifier tubes (used to drive the field coils of the two generators), special synchronizing and modulation circuits, and a host of other specialized hardware were employed to generate massive electromagnetic fields which, when properly configured, would be able to bend light and radio waves around the ship, thus making it invisible to enemy observers. The experiment, said to have taken place at the Philadelphia Naval Yard and also at sea, took place on at least one occasion while in full view of the Merchant Marine ship S.S. Andrew Furuseth, and other observation ships. The Andrew Furuseth becomes significant because one of its crewmen is the source of most of the original material making up the PX legend. Carlos Allende, a.k.a. Carl Allen, wrote a series of strange letters to one Dr. Morris K. Jessup in the 1950's in which he described what he claims to have witnessed: at least one of the several phases of the Philadelphia Experiment. At 0900 hours, on July 22nd, 1943, so the story goes, the power to the generators was turned on, and the massive electromagnetic fields started to build up. A greenish fog was seen to slowly envelop the ship, concealing it from view. Then the fog itself is said to have disappeared, taking the Eldridge with it, leaving only undisturbed water where the ship had been anchored only moments before. The elite officers of the Navy and scientists involved gazed in awe at their greatest achievement: the ship and crew were not only radar invisible but invisible to the eye as well! Everything worked as planned, and about fifteen minutes later they ordered the men to shut down the generators. The greenish fog slowly reappeared, and the Eldridge began to dematerialize as the fog subsided, but it was evident to all that something had gone wrong. When boarded by personnel from shore, the crew above deck were found to be disoriented and nauseous. The Navy removed the crew, and shortly after obtained another. In the end, the Navy decided that they only wanted radar invisibility, and the equipment was altered. On the 28th of October in 1943, at 17:15, the final test on the Eldridge was performed. The electromagnetic field generators were turned on again, and the Eldridge became near-invisible; only a faint outline of the hull remained visible in the water. Everything was fine for the first few seconds, and then, in a blinding blue flash, the ship completely vanished. Within seconds it reappeared miles away, in Norfolk, Virginia, and was seen for several minutes. The Eldridge then disappeared from Norfolk as mysteriously as it had arrived, and reappeared back in Philadelphia Naval Yard. This time most of the sailors were violently sick. Some of the crew were simply 'missing' never to return. Some went crazy, but, strangest of all, five men were fused to the metal in the ship's structure. The men that survived were never the same again. Those that lived were discharged as 'mentally unfit' for duty, regardless of their true condition. So, what had begun as an experiment in electronic camouflage, ended up as an accidental teleportation of an entire ship and crew, to a distant location and back again, all in a matter of minutes! Although the above may seem fantastic, one must remember, that in the 1940’s the atomic bomb was also being invented. Email me at Bassin4507@AOL.COM


Follow the link I provided earlier, Q. Einstein didn't publicly state it was possible. He did ponder it, but whether or not he actually believed it is another question.

Norad

Here are a few more Philadelphia Experiment websites for your viewing pleasure:

http://www.crank.net/philadelphia.html

BTW - If Einstein pondered invisibility, don't you think some reference would exist somewhere amongst his papers?

I would think it would be in papers somewhere, but I, and I am assuming this by the way, think that the unified field theory was just that-Einstein published a paper, or so it is guessed he published this paper, but it was withdrawn. I think he did publish it, but withdrew it as in the post earlier, but why he withdrew it is anyone's guess. I don't like to think within a box, Q, that's why I believe it is possible for something like this. I can't prove it-obvioulsy I don't have billions of dollars to start my own star-wars experiments.

I will get back to you on this, as I do have other things to tend too. I find it interesting and intriguing. I've been conversing with Mr. Anonymous on electromagnetism for powering UFO's. Yes, Q, I do believe they're are such contraptions-I don't believe we are the know all see all in the universe. It's one of the reasons why I think outside of the box. It's how ideas are born!

Norad

I am assuming this by the way, think that the unified field theory was just that-Einstein published a paper

Or perhaps he simply coined the phrase.

I've been conversing with Mr. Anonymous on electromagnetism for powering UFO's. Yes, Q, I do believe they're are such contraptions

It might then be worth your while to crack open a physics book and read up on electromagnetism. Believing in a concept is not the same as understanding a concept.

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Chris, it may benefit you to brush up on your meteorology skills. The picture you have posted, shows a fairly common phenomena known by the layman as "Clouds". Look up, there are probably a few in the sky above you as we speak.

as for "Craft" becoming apparent when you run it through "filters" I'd have to ask exactly what you mean. Because if you are implying that if we run it through filters, like say in PhotoShop, then you are a complete nut. Let me assure you that PhotoShop’s filters can't do anything which would reveal an object in a picture which was not already visible in the original image, or barring that, create something entirely new to be placed in the image.

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as for "Craft" becoming apparent when you run it through "filters" I'd have to ask exactly what you mean. Because if you are implying that if we run it through filters, like say in PhotoShop, then you are a complete nut. Let me assure you that PhotoShop’s filters can't do anything which would reveal an object in a picture which was not already visible in the original image, or barring that, create something entirely new to be placed in the image.

I was wondering that too.

I figured he meant something like a light polarizing filter or a color filter to reduce glare??

I can't see it.

Originally posted by chris beacham
{filtered picture}

AND?

What exactly are we supposed to see in that, Chris?

Anyway, seeing how as it seems to be fun with PhotoShop hour, I figure I'll post a little something of mine. Click here (http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Mystech/snakeeye.jpg) to see it.

Chris, regards the picture; It's certainly unusual and therefore worth posting in. Thanks.

I'm no expert on this matter but I just think it plausible to think that there are other beings out there, with technology or means to mask their vehicles from being seen. Makes sense to me as if I were able to travel/explore space I wouldn't pass a green & blue planet like ours without stopping to inspect it. Ofcourse I would be cautious about the inhabitants and the way they would react to visitors of an unusual being and so therefore I'd want to conceal my presence/identity for my own sake.

Great posts anyway, and certainly giving me food for thought.

Just curious to know what exactly you find interesting about either one of those pictures, Nuber Six. I'm just not seeing anything out of the ordinary.

Well that is your opinion; you're perfectly entitled to yours as I am to mine and as everyone is to his or hers. Everybody has their own views and opinions and that's why boards like this exist.

Look at the image. Without actually having taken the picture or having been there when the picture was taken myself, I can not comment on the validity or content of what the image is actually of but taking into account Chris has supplied this image in the belief that it may satisfy, to some extent that some extra ordinary things out there do exist, I'd personally say it's unusual. Having looked at this picture, I myself would say that the fractures (if that's the right word) in the sky are unusual.

To fill you in Mr. Anonymous, Q talks down to people. Q has the knack of claiming someone is wrong by being ignorant to them, leaders, countries, you name it. I mentioned Philadelphia experiment comes to mind, and Q, being the wonderful, intelligent human being that he/she is, started slagging me. As I can see, Q hasn't replied back to you, Q slags me because he/she is a PoS; I'll PM you Mr A telling you what a PoS is.

So, what we're trying to determine is IFO's and their existence. I believe it is possible since UFO's use electromagnetism, in theory, for propulsion. Mr. A do you remember parts of theories about the possibility of 'cloaking' through electromagnetism? You know, it's funny. Q said to me I must believe in Star Trek. Funny thing is though Q, the things that you see on Star Trek are based on actual science and actual scientific theories. Don't come down on me for this Q, this was from the writers themselves in a special I watched.

So Mr. Anonymous, what do you think? You can tell someone is wrong without being ignorant about it-you're respectful!

Regards,

Norad

heyya all :)

note to all readers!
mr G ... gee wizz .. gee what?
mr Q ... star treck name of a god ... ego!
mystech.... mis technologist

all are trolls and try to draw you out then insult you!

but its very funny to see how ignorant and closed minded they
continue to be regardles of any intelegent proof of possiblity.
probability is the key to thier pain! :D
maybe they are all paid by the same company?

funny how they always turn up so quickly on new threads in the threads that they say mean nothing to them!

LOL ignorance and sadistic behaviour is spawned through a
pretence of better communication...
poor internet.
the quality of the links they offer are always sarcastic and condesending with negative reinforcement of pathological
indoctrination.
freakin sickos!
good for them im a peace monger instead of a
"anti self-expresionist" monger.. you make the ignorant fools look
liberal minded!
*imagine what damage :eek: they would do with einstiens inventions!
good thing that Einstien and Tesla learned the nature of such people before they died!
such people covet the power of armagedon! ... scary! :( :eek:



groove on all :)

Norad

Q slags me

Uh, excuse me norad, but you should go back and read this thread again. YOU are the one who is “slagging.” YOU are the one who said:

Man you are some pissy!… Are you implying that you are a 'troll'?… You seem like a pissy person… you don't even have the brain power… shows your ignorance and arrogance… You are really boring me with your grade 2 IQ… Q slags me because he/she is a PoS

I did not attack you in any way – I attacked your opinions and ideas, that is what a forum is all about. If you are going to hurl personal insults because someone disagrees with your worldview and then state you are the victim, then perhaps you are the one who should leave.

I challenge you to show me anywhere in this threads a personal insult directed towards you from me. If you can’t, then shut up and go away!

Mr A

Care to fill me in on what I've missed?

Sorry, I have no idea what you’re talking about.

I suppose you believe in Star Trek is not slagging Q? That is a personal attack, god damn admit it!

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Thanks so much for the insightful input! You got to the point, and you didn't slag. I see the reasoning now, so I admit, it was a silly notion/idea. Keep it up Mr. A.

Norad

I suppose you believe in Star Trek is not slagging Q? That is a personal attack, god damn admit it!
Do you also believe Star Trek is real?

You’ve got to be kidding me?! I ask a simply question and you go on a tirade? Give me a break.

Have you read any other threads here? Have you not witnessed for yourself the amount of name-calling and profanity that is thrown back and forth? Most members here simply let it roll off their backs and move on.

But you’re upset by a simple question! Can you not see how utterly ridiculous that is?

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Simple question, Q? Sounds like to me a question full of barbs! But hey, if that's you, that's you.

Read Mr. A's post and you will see someone that has some class in pointing out what's wrong with someone's train of thought on a subject. I mean you could have put it differently, and it is the pseudoscience board. If I wanted the real deal, I would have gone to Physics and Math board.

Norad

Simple question, Q? Sounds like to me a question full of barbs!

If something as innocuous as that question gets your panties tied up in knots, you should consider seeing an analyst for anger management. There are women on this forum who have bigger kahoonas than you.

Go buy yourself a set.

:p

Mr A

I had the impression through reading your reply to Mr norad that aspurtions may have been being cast upon my own ability to do that very same thing as you yourself had suggested to Mr norad in being able to read and crack open a physics book

I don’t remember mentioning your name. I was pointing out to norad that she should try to understand a concept before commenting. It was clear to me she does not understand simple physics.

LoL Q, PoS!

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You are correct, sir, chap it is. I believe Q had a certain jab in there, but I ignore he/she from now on. Q is making me stoop down to his/her level.

That's enough about that. So, Mr. A, thanks for replying in a sincere manner. I realize my guffa with the suggestion.

I would like to continue this discussion with you Mr. A. Right now, I'm programming something for work. So, not really much time. Sometime this week though. Have a good one Mr. A.

Mr A

So I'm gathering then that it's appology accepted....?

No need to apologize – it appears to be a simply misunderstanding. J

By the by, I believe Mr norad's actually a chap

That alone would be a topic of debate. If a chap, he most certainly lacks a spine.

Hey Mr. Anonymous.

I've done the programming job. It was a pain, but it had to be done. It's now off to the second member of the team. Great fun, programming is!

So, what are some of the implications of using electromagnetism as the force behind UFO propulsion. I believe you explained it from coming into the atmosphere of this planet from orbit, but what about out in space? How would this work? There must be some other kind of propulsion system for outer space, isn't there? PLMK, I'm curious to your response.

Thanks, Mr. Anonymous, and have a spot of tea for me! If you see Elizabeth Hurley, give her a growl for me too, won't you? ;)

Interesting posts.

Does anybody have any decent links for photographs/videos that they could post please that show what they beleive to be real UFO footage.

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heyya all :)

sorry to sound like a perdantic theologian....

but...
and it seems to me to be a huge one :/

look at the shear amount of emotional dribble that has been
nurtured to coddle the egos of those who seek to divert the topic.

funny how all seem to loose the plot... myself included on some occasions :D

and no offence but mentaly blinkerd text book re-gergitation is not the fundamental prose of this thread...
it started so well with the very first post-starter thread...
now its finishing (so it would seem)
in a "flooding" of ... dare i say it CRAP
i assume you all have no intension of wanting to discus such a topic seriousely???

*note: seriouse does not mean closeminded conformatism!
*note making derivative condacending reference to sexual orgins
as a predetermination of intelect and intelegence is not only biggoted but also shows a high degree of sexual disfunction.

and then to say someone needs therapy....
sheeesh :/
it would be an insult to nature to say the content had gone to the dogs! (unless thats the dogs of war)

note ... posative discusion is debate
negative discusion is biggotry.
i feel almost stupid to even point out these facts(as such)
because i would think anyone past the age of 20 should understand what constructive discussion is.

another thread dies.... as intended?

groove on all :)

peace light truth love
the path to that we hold above.

Ears to the ground. Can you hear it? The rumbling noise is getting louder. They're coming for more!

Mr. Anonymous you bring up a good point.

Now, on to the original reason for the thread.

You had mentioned ...Though of course, being electrolytic in nature, in a very general sense electromagnetic features are indeed coming into play with this, so indeed you're first instinct in looking at the matter in this particular way isn't actually all that terribly unfounded after all...

Are you saying I'm on the right track or the wrong track? I still think it's possible whether people think it's science fiction or not. The way I look at it is when Buck Rogers landed on the moon in the comics in 1945, people thought it was science fiction then too!
What's science fiction today could very well be reality tomorrow. I believe everyone should have that kind of concept in their mind when they are 'looking' as you put it.

Let me know your thoughts, Mr. Anonymous-Throaty. Where did you get that from?

One other thing Mr. A. Follow this link and you will understand why I think the way I do, although this link had no bearing on my suspicions 14 years ago, it just strengthens my suspicions. http://www.bibleufo.com/

It is very extensive, and this fellow has done a lot of research into the matter, although on the first page it does say he doesn't support that God is an alien. This to me doesn't make sense since He isn't from this planet, that makes him alien. Just my observation.

Regards,

Norad

Norad

Follow this link and you will understand why I think the way I do

The purpose of this work is to present the reality that the UFOs in our modern skies have been flying in those skies for the entirety of world history. The beings controlling these high tech flying vehicles are not "aliens", in the sense that they are visitors to this world, but in fact the same beings that terra formed / created the biosphere we inhabit. Human beings have recorded the presence of these beings since the dawn of time and are more closely related to them than has been revealed. This work does not attempt to prove God is an alien; it presents evidence and logic that the Gods have been mistaken for an alien race.

We present this evidence as warning to mankind that there are forces on this planet, which have reason to condition mankind into believing the Earth is under threat of an alien invasion. Those forces are now manipulating mankind into a warlike and defensive posture, which will soon be directed from the current planetary terrorist threat to an “extraterrestrial” terrorist threat. The result is all humanity will unite against the returning fleet of Christ returning to Earth to capture and imprison those evil forces plaguing the planet. Mankind is being recruited to fight against the very God they claim to worship.

ROTFLMAO! http://www.dbsforums.com/ubb/graemlins/rotflmao.gif

Q, of course some of it is far reaching, especially the first page, but there are a lot of valid points in his work. I'm speaking about the references in the Bible to what he determines them to be. And logically, whether one believes or not, they all make sense. Possibilities is what this board is about.

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How are you today? Did you take a look at that website? Do you have an answer to my question? I'm not starting anything by the way, Q is. As you can see by my reply afterwards, it is much more mature.

Let me know Mr. A what you're thoughts are re: ...Though of course, being electrolytic in nature, in a very general sense electromagnetic features are indeed coming into play with this, so indeed you're first instinct in looking at the matter in this particular way isn't actually all that terribly unfounded after all...

Norad

Q, of course some of it is far reaching, especially the first page, but there are a lot of valid points in his work.

What points are valid?

I'm speaking about the references in the Bible to what he determines them to be

His interpretations of the Bible are no less and no more plausible than you or me or anyone else. His interpretations however, leave one to suspect his complete loss of all rational thought and reasoning. He’s a loony!

And logically, whether one believes or not, they all make sense.

Uh… Yeah, sure… whatever you say.

*Q backs away slowly*

No need for the backing away slowly. I'm referring to some things in the *cough* Bible, that the author of this website has used to verify some points he makes. It may not be the complete truth because he will add his own opinion, but I do know he has done extensive research on the matter. The way I look at it is like this. One must look at the time period that these books were written. Lights in the sky, UFO's? Virgin Mary-immaculate conception or artificial insemination? Ezekial-explaining a UFO or something else? The star over the manger-UFO or was it a star? The last is interesting because it does say in the book that the three wisemen came upon a child-not a baby. This is why bible theologists believed it took the three wisemen 2 to 3 years to get to the manger. To put this into perspective. It took Alexander the Great and his army 17 years to travel 10,000 miles. Of course there were wars, drinking binges in between, but it does show one how it may have taken the 3 wisemen that long. By that time Jesus was in Bethleham. There are some things on this site I don't agree with, but one cannot fault the guy-he has done his research.

Norad

This should have given you a clue that this guy is a kook:

For those who have not been to the Disclosure Project website, it has been completely updated and I was assured by staff members that it would be maintained in the future. I would recommend, if one has the funds, that they obtain the briefing tapes available on the website as these are the tapes used to present the case to congressional, executive, military, and NASA officials. It is packed with very convincing testimony from very high placed witnesses and gives one a feel for the scope of not only the cover-up, but the incredible extent of the government's experience with UFOs. The updated website can be found at: http://www.disclosureproject.org/

Does it make him a kook, or anyone else for that matter, looking for the answers? I don't believe it does anymore than scientists claiming natural selection, etc. It's what people thought of Buck Rogers landing on the moon in 1945 in the comic strips. It's a different concept, nothing more, nothing less. With writtings on walls in pyramids, native americans called them flying canoes, I have serious doubts that the Bible with it's descriptions is any different. If the ancients seen them, you can bet your bottom dollar that the people saw them in the holy lands. Have a good one, Q.

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Norad

Does it make him a kook, or anyone else for that matter, looking for the answers?

If one looks for answers from the site you linked or from Disclosure Project, then yes, absolutely, they are kooks, loons and/or crackpots. So tell me, is that where you get your answers?

I don't believe it does anymore than scientists claiming natural selection, etc.

Then I submit your critical thinking skills are non-existent and your understanding of natural selection and scientists is seriously flawed. You appear gullible towards pseudoscience and crackpottery and easily swayed by the opinions of others.

It's what people thought of Buck Rogers landing on the moon in 1945 in the comic strips. It's a different concept, nothing more, nothing less.

Strawman argument – pointless.

I know what you speak of "Chariots of the Gods". Some of his theory I didn't agree with, but yet again, I feel compelled to believe he was on the right track.

As for the electromagnetism, that is a shame. So, the possibility of IFO's is probably just wishful thinking, since they could be seen by radar.

I'll have to print out some of your posts and go through them. I will 'talk' with you later, MR. A. You're a good guy, I like you. You don't condemn anyone, and you seem to be relatively laid back. You would like it in Nova Scotia. It's the same type of atmosphere. When I moved here from Ontario, well, the maritime ladies know how to show a guy a good time! :)

I assume it would be the same in the U.K. I have to visit sometime before the next phase of my life-death. What comes afterwards, I don't really know, but my mom said it pretty well one time. She said, "If there isn't a heaven, I lose nothing, but if there is a heaven, I have everything to gain!" I think that puts it in a nutshell. If everyone lived life like that, there would be fewer problems in the world.

Could you all start rating this thread please? Despite the fair amount of bickering going on I'd still like to get people's opinions on whether peoples posts are providing good reading etc.

Originally posted by Number Six
Well that is your opinion; you're perfectly entitled to yours as I am to mine and as everyone is to his or hers. Everybody has their own views and opinions and that's why boards like this exist.

Look at the image. Without actually having taken the picture or having been there when the picture was taken myself, I can not comment on the validity or content of what the image is actually of but taking into account Chris has supplied this image in the belief that it may satisfy, to some extent that some extra ordinary things out there do exist, I'd personally say it's unusual. Having looked at this picture, I myself would say that the fractures (if that's the right word) in the sky are unusual.

Number six, this picutre is nothing out of the ordinary. Chris posted a picture of the same sky on the first page. All he has done with this one is run it through some filters (I beleive that running it through a "solarize" filter would produce thsi effect. . . maybe just invering the colors, as yellow is the inverse of blue, and all the parts which were white in the first image are now dark, and vise versa). Those "fractures in the sky" are nothing but some whispy clouds, you can see them for yourself in the first image if you'd go and take a look.

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So, you're originally from Ontario, yes? Would that be a french speaking province at all?

No, can't say it is. Quebec, Ontario's neighbour is the french speaking province. And then we have New Brunswick which is english and french speaking. Confusing, I know. There are some communities in Ontario that are both english and french speaking. Ottawa, since it is so close to Hull, Quebec, is french and english speaking. Me myself, I don't know a word of french. Well, I do know some phrases, but if I said them to a french woman I would probably be slapped!

Well, not so polite, Mr. A. Some of my posts have been downright nasty, but I say that is over with. I don't mind different opinions as long as those opinions stay opinions instead of trying to cut someone else's opinion. Did that make sense? ;) I think you got the idea.

Mr. A, pleasure as always, and I will fly by here again. Have a good one, and say hi to Rowan Atkinson-Mr. Bean. That guy is hilarious!

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Mystech

Ok Ok, I agree, the photograph is not that interesting, filtered or not, but it all depends on the individual viewing it and how much he or she is willing to let their mind run wild with imagination.

This is a far fetched topic, but some theories are very interesting and I'd go some way to say that I believe that UFO's are capable if disguising themselves into the atmosphere to either become invisible or failing that the "beings" have not perfected the art of becoming transparent yet and so until they achieve this they may use clouds as extra cover.

So to let my mind, at this present moment, completely run rife with myself, then after looking at the picture again under a magnifying glass, I can definitely see two eyes and a little three fingered hand waving at me.


:)

Would that be 5 quid or pounds? What exactly would a quid be?
You're right, Toronto is in the middle pretty much and Halifax in Nova Scotia, east coast.

Canuck is the correct term.

just take the piss and get the benefit of a good chuckle out of it....

Or do you mean, go take a piss? ;)

I'd like to chat more about the electromagnetism. I must do a little bit of reading on it first; hard to tell what is correct information on the net, and what isn't. So, a trip to the library is in order.

If I remember correctly, you mentioned our galaxy spinning which could possibly lend a hand to the UFO's flight. What about galaxies that are not a spiral galaxy like our own Milky Way? I assume they all have some kind of motion to them, don't they?

Is there an electromagnetic field in the galaxies themselves? There's a reason why I ask this. Thomson experimented with electrons-he used an electric field to accelerate electrons. Of course now electromagnetic fields are used to give particles energy-lots of energy! Millions of electron volts.

Mr. Anonymous, I'll meet you again here. I need to think this through before I post my question.

I'm not a number; I'm a free man.

Mystech: " What exactly are we supposed to see in that, Chris? "

For myself I see possible evidence of another world, a short turn of the dial away from us so to speak, that is oblivious to the laws of Nature we abide by. And it is from here that the ufos come. I don't consider that craft travel from 'millions of miles away', although that's not to say 'they' don't have their own planets. In the images the variable shutter speed of the camera can reveal much that is unseen by us in 'normal view' mode.

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In the image I have posted I see interesting similarities between this and an earlier pics on my site: http://www.surfin.com.au/updates.html .Both have a craft ejecting some sort of dark 'smoke' while other craft appear to be parked next to it and both are within similar shaped 'forms'. I suspect that the squarish cloud appearance is another angle of the 'pyramid field' shape, possibly the base.



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aliens are real I tell you….and you can't deny that if they have invisible spaceships they also have the technology to turn themselves invisible when the visit the planets surface. Many people have seen glimps of these invisible aliens…Some scientists calculated that they are probably more commone than we think they are. They seem to be especially abundant in scientific research centers and political institutes. Although they are invisible there are manners to detect them. They often leave a strange smell behind. One researcher described it as sulphur-like. I mean how often have you not smelled some sulphur-like smelll in a room full of people!!! I sure did! Scientists speculate that this smell is caused by their environmental protection mechanism against earth microbes…these get decomposed instantly…There is some indirect data that also small animals can disappear when they make contact with an invisible alien's environmental protection suite (IAEPS). Some say that people have disappeared in this way, but I am skeptical of that. Why would the aliens want to hurt us after all?

Just do a google search for 'invisible alien' and 'IAEPS' if you want to know more.

Chris

Are you saying that maybe the "visitors" are manipulating space by bending it and then emerging on the other side so that the long distance they travel could in theory be shorter? For example, point A to point B on a straight length of 'X' light years could in some way be altered so that both points are bent like a horse shoe towards each other in order to effectively reduce the distance between both points and therefore the time it takes to get from point A to point B can be reduced somewhat. Do you get my point?

I think I read something about this theory once, but like I said I'm no expert on this matter.

those things with a UFO on the cover or brandishing the words "Mysteries", "Secrets" or "Revealed"

Trust me, it won't be anything like that. ;)

So, it may be possible for a UFO that uses electromagnetism to travel within a galaxy-correct? The question now is what about inbetween galaxies-assuming there is no wormhole in ours :)

I understand that anything with any kind of intrinsic mass could not possibly reach the speed of light-light can be particles and waves-that's if general relativity is correct. Most likely is, but without testing it, how do we know for certain?

I'll get back to you Mr. Anonymous-throaty. I have some ideas, but as I said, I have to think them through first before conveying what those ideas are. Have a good one, Mr. A!

Regards,

Norad

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I haven't finished it yet, but I'm sort of leaning towards dark matter. What that will bring about in my mind, I don't know. It seems to be the force holding clusters of galaxies together-let me know if I'm wrong with that one, but I'm almost positive that was one of the things in physics class that I did listen too.

I'm still stuck with the question of travel in between galaxies. With this, I'm sort of leaning towards these may be the areas where flattened out dimenions exist. It's a far stretch, I know.

I'll let you know what I come up with. Maybe I'll just zoom over to the UK in 3 seconds for a surprise visit! ;) Make sure Ms. Hurley is there!

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As to the rest, yes. So called Dark Matter is thought to something which accounts for the Galaxy as it stands. The simple fact of the matter is, no pun intended or actually made, that the amount of visible stars simply don't acount for what must actually be the a complete mass of the Galaxy.... Though quite how that helps you I have aboslutely no idea.

I have no idea myself, but as you stated, scientists do believe it's there. Now whether or not it can be used is the question.

As to this business of Trans-Galactic Travel, why the necessity? Our Galaxy alone is a truely enourmous place y'know, more than enough room to acomodate a very great many permanet tenants non of whom ever need to actually know of each others actual existance at all. The distances involved between the stars are simply that enourmous as they are....

This is true-I'm just questioning the vast regions of empty space. Now, I read this in a book a few years ago. So, this could be different now, but what I read in this book, which was mostly physics, black holes, etc., is that the reason why we are in 3 dimensional space is because if one adds more dimensions, this weakens gravity. So, if we added another dimension, I believe the figure was that gravity would be weakened by one-eighth. Add another, it would be weakened by a quarter and so on. So, my assumption of flattened out dimensions between galaxies is based on this information I read a few years ago. It may be the reason why nothing exists in between galaxies in the first place. Hyperspace theory conceeds that the universe was a perfect 10 dimensional universe, but it was unstable. I have to say that the hyperspace theory is wrong considering what I read a few years back, but the instability of extra dimensions may lend the reason why there are these huge spaces in between galaxies. No stability, no chance for stars or planets to exist.

Now, my initial thought a few years back was that the vast regions of empty space, since they are unstable, may be one of the reasons why galaxies form. A crack in space and time if you will, but I abondoned that idea. I still like the idea, but after reading up on galaxy formations, I disregarded it.

Again, pleasure Mr. A, and I don't think you would be a dead man if Ms. Hurley was there. You can say she's my woman! ;)

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Hence the actual emptyness of intergalactic space. It's empty simply becasue the Galaxies have torn up and bound up all of that very smooth, very evenly distributed material which was the original bi-product of the so-called Big Bang.

I see, said the blind man as he walked into a wall! Are we sure that's the reason, though? I'm stuck on extra dimensions, as I stated, I did like the idea, but did see why it wouldn't work.

Now, as for extra dimensions and so forth.... Are you actually really sure we don't have quite enough of these things already...... ?

3 really is perfectly adequate enough to account for pretty much everything which exists already y'know.

:) I know, it is enough, but I'm trying to think outside of the box, and that's pretty hard to do when most reading material is thinking within the box. I'm not sure if you understood that, but it's the best explanation I have. As you mentioned way back when in another post, I try to keep an open mind. It's something that really bothered me a few years ago when I started writing. It still bothers me a little, but not as much anymore-extra dimensions that is. You are right though. Most likely the travellers are from this galaxy, but if they are out there, there must be something that we are all overlooking. Whether that's through sheer arrogance or ignorance, I'm not sure. It leaves me little room to maneuver myself. Without the know how and technology, we may never know, and that's sad. Really, it is sad. It's too bad as a species most of us, especially the scientific community, is stuck on this "We are it" kick.

Well Mr. Anonymous, I must go cry in my beer now :( Just kidding, Throaty. I still have a lot of stuff to work out, but I'll keep you posted!

Regards, and have a good night with Ms. Hurley;)

Norad.

People.

History is about to be made.

On the subject of IFOs:

Why doesn't windex have a line of glass cleaners designed to clean invisable dirt? I mean that's gotta' be the hardest stuff to get rid of, because if it's invisable how do you now if it's still there or not? They should have a special formula designed just to get rid of invisable dirt.

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That's so kind of you to give Ms. Hurley my best! ;)

I don't know if UFO's exist, but it seems to me that the darn things have been around since recorded history. Depending on how one looks at it, the Bible, ehem, I know, borish, maybe even foolish, is full of sightings, and yes, I do believe close encounters of the third kind happened too. I cannot accept a Christian's view of the Bible-I believe they have been brainwashed into missing the obvious. North American Indians called these things flying canoes. People in the holy land would call them angels, God, whatever. The book of Ezekial is the most damning of all. It goes something like this: A wind came from the north, and I saw an object that shined like beryl with flames about it-sounds like coming through the atmosphere. There was a wheel inside of a wheel on the ground. The rim was so high it was fearsome. About the rim were these eyes. I thought about that, and taking the time frame into consideration, I don't believe they were eyes-more like round windows, portholes if you will. Again, time period plays a major factor in the way things are described and the culture. Hence, North American Indians calling them flying canoes.
It continues, and Ezekial said he heard the voice of God come out of this thing. Now there are some other verses that I haven't been able to make sense of yet, but as you can see, there is credence to my insanity.

Then there's the matter of UFO sightings everyday throughout the world. One every three minutes I think. Now, some are natural, some are hoaxes, but if we take the 1 or 2 percent that cannot be explained that's a lot of sightings throughout the run of a year.

Now the other question is why don't they contact us? Reveal themselves to us? I cannot answer that. Are they checking up on us? Are we an experiment? Are they us coming from the future? A lot of questions that really need to be answered.

Then the extra dimenions, if they exist. There may be flattened out dimensions in our neck of the woods, but again, without searching we will never know. I would assume that they would not be visible to the naked eye. It would be more like stumbling across a porthole-just a stroke of luck.

I guess we will all know when we're dead, but I would like to find out for sure when I'm still here.

Mr. A. pleasure as always.

Regards,

Norad

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Have you ever heard of an African Tribe called the Dogon? They were discovered and studied in quite some depth by a french anthropological expedition, originally back in the thirties.

They worship a star, Sirius, sometimes known as the Dog Star I believe. Part of their ceremonies envolve dressing up in wicker masks and dancing around representations of Sirius, which they have always depicted as being two distinct stars.

That is very interesting-can't say I have heard of the Dogon, but quite interesting indeed.

There's still quite a few unknowns out there, Mr. Anonymous, but I would like to get over the electromagnetism bit first! :)

I appreciate some of your explanations. Very thorough.


Either that, or there here after our Oil.

Maybe-have you heard of 7th Day Aventists? I think this is the name of the group, but not quite sure. There is a religious group, cult, what have you, that believe in life on other planets. Their reasoning is that beings from other worlds are not to bother with us because we are known as the falling planet. It's definitely an interesting concept and it's quite true-that's the sad thing about this concept. :( And again, not sure if this is the 7th Day Aventists or not.

Well, Mr. Anonymous, I have to go for now, but will check back later. Have a good one, and don't let the missus catch you with Ms. Hurley! At least, don't let her catch you calling out Ms. Hurley's name in the middle of the night! ;)

So, by all means, keep that open mind of yours, becasue these very much are parts of the puzzel which appear to fit..... Weather it all leads ultimately to what ever it is you personally believe of course is another matter

I cannot say it is a belief-more like an obsession! I want to know the truth, that's all I want really-the truth. Did we evolve from primates? Genetic engineering? What? This is what has been the thorn in my side for several years. As stated earlier, I have a sneaking suspicion that we are all missing something-scientists, Christians, Atheists, you name it. I don't know what it is-I really don't. It's one of those feelings-the type of feeling where someone doesn't get on a plane because something doesn't feel right, and the plane goes down an hour later killing everyone on board. It's that type of feeling. I do believe in natural selection to a certain extent. That's part of the problem. Of course, if I believe in natural selection, then why would it stop at primates? And if this ocurred here, then it most likely ocurred the same way on another planet. Again, this is another problem that keeps nagging at me. And if I ever put it all together I will be met with much resistence. Scientiists Christians, you name it.

Regards,

Norad

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What about gravity as a driving force for a UFO? I have been thinking about that possibility too, but not quite sure how or if it would work.

You know, Mr. Anonymous, maybe it has been natural selection all along. If one even looks at the Bible, there is a procession of order. The light of the first day-the Big Bang-then the universe forming-then the earth, plants, animals-and then man. Maybe not quite in that order, but darn close.

Maybe there are other species out there, good and evil. Maybe that's what's referred to in the holy book as God and the devil. Who knows? It's bothersome!

Mr. Anonymous, do keep in touch. If you're bored, you can visit the website of the company I work at-I don't have a bio or pic up there yet-we have all been too busy. www.kljsolutions.com The President is only 30-had this company since he was 22. Not passed down either-he built it from scratch! Has a call centre that does mostly surveys in the U.S., and I work at the computer solutions side of it. I, along with two others, do programming for the call centre, coding of open-ended responses, and data integrity checks-this is done to check for skip pattern errors or to see if all the people making the calls are following instructions. The other part of computer solutions is we build databases and web-based applications. Some half decent companies he's done this for. He's doing a database for the dean's faculty for Dalhousie university, built a billing system for the Canadian Automobile Association, etc. One other thing-if you visit the field services site, I suggest turning on your speakers, pretty neat. Talk to you soon, and have a good night. I believe it's around midnight there now.

Regards,

Norad

After reading only one and a half page of this thread, I feel the need to make this post. As you seem bothered by other peoples insults toward you, I have quoted a few of your expressions.


Originally posted by Norad

Man you are some pissy!… Are you implying that you are a 'troll'?… You seem like a pissy person… you don't even have the brain power… shows your ignorance and arrogance… You are really boring me with your grade 2 IQ… Q slags me because he/she is a PoS



Originally posted by Norad
So, go to your other boards, Q. You are really boring me with your grade 2 IQ.

And this did it really:



Originally posted by Norad

I suppose you believe in Star Trek is not slagging Q? That is a personal attack, god damn admit it!

Really Norad, that last quote shows you are somewhat too touchy. How do you see it as a personal attack? I may hope you do not take everything people say to each other in discussions as a personal attack, may it be online or off line.

The following, posted by (Q) says it all very clearly. (Q) is right. This is a discussion board. It is all different people with their very own view.


Originally posted by (Q)

Norad

Q slags me

Uh, excuse me norad, but you should go back and read this thread again. YOU are the one who is “slagging.” YOU are the one who said:

quote:

Man you are some pissy!… Are you implying that you are a 'troll'?… You seem like a pissy person… you don't even have the brain power… shows your ignorance and arrogance… You are really boring me with your grade 2 IQ… Q slags me because he/she is a PoS



I did not attack you in any way - I attacked your opinions and ideas, that is what a forum is all about. If you are going to hurl personal insults because someone disagrees with your worldview and then state you are the victim, then perhaps you are the one who should leave.

I challenge you to show me anywhere in this threads a personal insult directed towards you from me. If you can’t, then shut up and go away!




Also, Norad, I noticed you had more encounters of the same likes, in the Biology & Genetics forum for instance. Aren't you behaving exactly the same way in that forum as what you accuse (Q) of doing in this forum? Do not tell posters to stay out of this forum because of their disagreeing with your thoughts and opinions.

I would advice you to grow some skin. Get over it. There is no need for insulting. I strongly suggest you stop with it and take a deep breath or so before you reply in hopes it will prevent you from continuing shouting insults.


In one short word: Chill!

the event of invisable aircrafts, seems to be a reality since light is a electromagnetic property.

i have a question, it seems that many that post a opinion rely on the opinion of other people to validate there argument, regardless of others opinoin, why not use real scientific information to determine if it is posssible that invisable aircrafts exist.

consider the event a electron is manipulated by a electromagnetic force, this is seen in a cathod tube, and is the reason televisions and computer monitirs are possible, same for a scaning electron microscope, this esatblishes that a electron which can move a speeds of 10,000 miles per sec can be manipulated, hence the event of light which travels at 182,000 miles per second and is a elecrtomagnetic source can be manipulated by a magnetic feild.
this observation of simple measurement tells us that you need a magnetic force around 18 times stronger than one use to manipulate a electron.
looking at the magnetic feild electromagnetic energy travels about 166,000 miles per second, standard. this is very close to the speed of light and exsplains why light and light of electrons is manipulated by a magnetic feild.
the speed of effect of light is about 1,800 mile per sec. this is the electro magnetic effect of light, plainly said light travels at 182,000 mile per second but it effect travles at 1,800 miles per second. light is long gone pased the point of effect by the time the effect takes place.
here the reaction of a elecrtomagnetic feild with light is at 1,800 miles per sec. this defines the difficultly with manipulating light. but yet light can be manipulated in fact such as in polarized light, the event of ploarized is the event of light polarized by a magnetic when passing through a magnetic feild, this occurs as onle light with the same polarity can travel thorugh the magnetic feild, and the remained of light is either canceled by the magnetic feild or realigned by the magentic feild. this magentic feild exercises a force before the light passes through the magnetic feild, and on the other sized comes out polarized, by the magentic, this is the same as making a magnet from steel by placing it in a magnetic feild. ther is no difference plainly so because light is the soruce of atoms, and so electrons, theris just a higher concenrtation of light in a atom and electron naking it easier to attract or repel by magnetic force. as light can be polarized it becomes appearant that light can be bent, the ablitiy to bend light then requires a polaization by a magnetic force,
two appear invisable requires the event of moving light from one point round the object to the opposite side of the obect and in the same tracjectory as the orginal path of the light, the second meathod of invisablity is to absrobe light andthe point of contact on one side of the object and reproduce the light at the opposite side of the object with the same light wave as absorbed. in the first scenrio it would require that light be moved at the speed of light and include the time for light to travle around the object, how could this be done, the only way that tis can be done is by useing light to bend light, this can opnly be controlled by useing contiously slower speeds of light carring a magnetic feild, but raveling neear the speed of the fastes light wave, x- rays would be the most magnetic, and then continuing on to visable light and then radio, here we see that a magnetic feild would have to maniplulate xrays in a orderly fashion which would then controll the various light waves by the magentic feild of the xray coupled with the magnetic feild of the magnetic used to controll the xray, here we see that the difference in time of manipulation of the xray will be about 1,800 miles per second and 20,000 miles per second slower, there fore to defeat this time lag the magnetic force use to manipulate the xray must travel in motion continously in the same direection, allowing the xray to gain a motion in the same direction, once the xrays have a motion in the same direction as the magnetic feild the x rays will move light in the same direction, near the speed of light. if this capture and motion of the light by xrays in capture is moved around the object or craft at the same speed as it would take light to pass by the object the craft/oject will disappear. because the electro magnetic feild travels a 166,000 miles per second it is sightly slower, but the event of x-rays manipulated in the direction around the craft by the magnetic feild actually travels sightly slower than the fastest light or viable light, this emans that the succes of xrays to manipluated light is the success of invisablity,

so how does this appear, if you are looking at a invisable object it will have a wave form light a florscent light bulb, or a heat wave but it will apear as invisable as if you are looking through it and seeing a heat wave. if you get near the oject its safe to do so but to touch the oject or two be within say 10 to 5 feet of the oject or craft will result in a dose of x-rays, which can cause cancer, mutations and death due to exspore to the rads. this has been the case that has occured to people that have enter what is called a ufo with out the knowlegde of its occupants, these people have died from the rads of which they where exsposed to with out knowing as x ray are inviable.
the event that when looking at a inviasble object it appears as a floresenc light buld or heat wave makes such a object perfect for being invisable in the sky, and in deserts, as heat waves appear normal in the desert and in the sky such wave froms appear as normal in the lighting of the sky.

so then are there invisbale object/crafts the awnser is tes there are, and it is perfectly capable for human to make such crafts of invisablity in present day and as well in histroy. however the reality of such a invisable craft and its dangers has to be taken in to consideration, such a craft could not operate under invisablity in populated areas as contact with people would cause illness.

let there be no mistake about invisable objects, they are real, the truth is that goverments or selected groups of people do not want people to have knowledge of such crafts, but simple science and a understaning of science over 100 years old will direct you to the fact that such is a real event.

DWAYNE D.L.RABON

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Dwayne

hence the event of light which travels at 182,000 miles per second and is a elecrtomagnetic source… electromagnetic energy travels about 166,000 miles per second…because the electro magnetic feild travels a 166,000 miles per second it is sightly slower… light travels at 182,000 mile per second but it effect travles at 1,800 miles per second.

None of these are correct.

this can opnly be controlled by useing contiously slower speeds of light carring a magnetic feild,

The speed of light is invariant. There is no such thing as slower speeds of light.

this has been the case that has occured to people that have enter what is called a ufo with out the knowlegde of its occupants, these people have died from the rads of which they where exsposed to with out knowing as x ray are inviable

Who died? Can you cite any references?

let there be no mistake about invisable objects, they are real, the truth is that goverments or selected groups of people do not want people to have knowledge of such crafts

Do you have any evidence of this conspiracy theory?

Well the bible stuff I just find interesting.

the Universe itself did actually begin as a blinding flash of light. Funny how mans always seemed to know that, isn't it.......?

This is why this alien thing bothers me. Who knew about this 2000 years ago?

The sling shot from gravity I knew about. It was one of the reasons I questioned gravity as a source of propelling. Black holes definitely! No light escaping from that I would imagine it would be a huge amount of force, although useless to use since one would get sucked into it! So, I imagine then, the bigger the body, Jupiter for instance, the stronger the gravity and this would lead to a much more accelerated sling shot than Earth?

I'll wait for what you think before I post another question, Mr. Anonymous.

Pleasure, as always,

Norad

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After all, current cosmological therory does tend to nod towards the probability there's actually a super Black Hole at the very centre of our own Galaxy, the sheer quanity of stellar mass surrounding it exerts enough gravitational force of its own to hold off being sucked wholesale into the thing and instead everything travels in orbit around it, just like a collection of satelights around a planet.

I heard of this. It's interesting that their own gravity prevents them from being sucked into it, but I still find that amazing considering light cannot even escape. You know, black holes, I just find intriguing. I wonder where planets, moons, etc go when they get sucked in? If one could live through it without being ripped apart-that would really be an interesting trip! I imagine no where really, but would still be an amazing thing to experience.

Mr. Anonymous, have a good night. Enjoy the fireworks in Bagdad, and good health to you. One question before I go-have you ever met the queen? Any royalty?

Regards,

norad

unfortunelyt again Q as alwasy you are a complete nusiance, if you think that you know the speed of light, and that of the magnetic feild and the effect speeed of light please say so because you have offered nothing of value so far other than speculation, and commenatry.
tell me Q why question if you can not provide a awnser, plainly you must be a complete idiot when it comes to light.

if i gave you case or not, the fact remains that x-rays are leathal, so how could you be such a idoit as to question the event of death in contact with large doses of x-rays.

the fact that you do not knowQ is enough to say that there is a conspiarcy and that they do not want you to know.

Q you really have to be a retarded idiot to come up with some of the statements you make, why dont you just use your mind,

listen i am not going to exsplain to you every fact of science, you need to study in stead of insult people with insane questions, or learn to ask questions diferently, i allready give you the benifit of a awnser.

discussion, Q if emf does not travel at 166,000 miles pe sec then at what speed does it travel. if the effect of light is at 1,800 miles per sec then what is the rate of effect of light.
Please Q since you seem to think that these are wrong show better.

Q really this is why i hate it when you respond to my post, it is as if your are a idot, please if you can not do better don't respond to my post, you did that in the post magnetic feilds of earth two.

let me make it clear you recive benfit from me not me from you, if you are looking for a way to measure light because you do not how then you need to learn, use your mind,


DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Dwayne

It is clear to everyone here that you have no idea what you’re talking about. And it doesn’t really matter whether or not someone corrects your nonsensical drivel; you don’t believe him or her anyway, no matter what they say and no matter what references are provided for you. You remain entrenched in your own little world of quackery.

You can hurl insults at me all you want – it only serves to make you look the fool even more, if that were possible.

But for the benefit of anyone else who may wish to understand a little real science, I’ll provide this link:

The speed of light in free space (that is, in a vacuum) is a constant that has been measured to considerable accuracy. To nine significant figures, it is 299,792,458 meters per second (2.99792458 x 108 m/s). This is the speed with which all electromagnetic fields, including radio waves, infrared (IR), ultraviolet (UV), X rays, and gamma rays, propagate in a vacuum. The constant is symbolized c.

http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci803719,00.html

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Happy 100th Post to this thread !!!

Imagine a heavy metal ball just deposited on the surface of a flexible sheet of rubber. The ball's weight causes the rubber sheet to sag around the heavy ball, and this sagging is at it's deepest the closest you physically get to the ball itself, and smooths out and becomes more gradual the further away you get.

Now, this I'm interested in. This was one of the reasons why I asked about gravity being used as propulsion.

If it's possible, could a machine create it's own gravity to cause it too be 'heavy', which in my mind considering what you just described would give it the means to propel across the galaxy at a phenomenal rate? I cannot convey what I have in mind because I'm trying to understand this, but I do have an idea.

HRH Her very Self no never actually, Royalty but just the once in a sort of hugely indirect way. I was crossing over the road out side the BBC's Broadcasting House and a car carrying Her Royal Highness Princess Anne very nearly ran me over. There she sat in that back of one of their Royal Saloon's with the imperious nerve to actually give me a filthy look as if for the damned imputance of her bladdy driver almost managing to ding the paintwonk on the bonnet of one her of mothers motor's by smacking into my body with the bladdy thing.

I inturn merely only reciprocated the gesture myself and continued, in a pointedly and deliberately slow fashion, to continue my egress across the road in my own sweet time...

Just becasue the buggers probably do actually own the damn road, it isn't as if it gives them any special rights or anything.

This seems to be the case with anyone that has money, Mr. A. I guess they think they can take it with 'em. I've got news for them-not!

Well, Mr. A, pleasure as always, and looking forward to your response. This has been an eye opening experience for me, to say the least. Thanks!

Regards,

norad

P.S. I'm up there in the years, Mr. A. Not old, but middle age.

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I wasn't really getting to 'warp drive' per se, but I was getting to the same type of idea. So, this was the basis behind Star Trek? I really didn't know that, even though I am a 'Treky', I always thought it was something else-ah, matter-anti-matter. I just saw that matter-antimatter bit you put in your post. Yes, I'll have to get back too you on this-I missed it from having too many! I realize that space is loaded with dark matter-the substance that scientists believe hold clusters of galaxies together. Hmmm...I really have to get back to you on this one, because I have had a few beers, and honestly, I cannot think worth a darn when drinking! Now, GGH on the other hand-God's Green Herb-yes, my mind is like a sponge soaking up water! lol :)

The speed of light, yes, 186, 000 miles per second! Phenomenal isn't it? It travels a meter in: .000000005640952 seconds.

Yes, old fellow I am. Not the big four oh, yet, but getting there-December I will be. ;)

Have a good one Mr. A. Pleasure as always, and take care.

well Q it would seem most appearant that estimate that you have posted in you link/qoute is one that is a general statment of the speed of light.

consider the event not all light is of the same frequencey, or length some light is only 100 angstroms, and some only 4000 angstroms, some 10,000 Angstroms, wave forms get as long and several meters and so on.
consider also that each wave from of light has a emf feild, simply light has electromagent properties.
the shorter the wave form the higher the eletromagentic properties.

if you said that red light traveled at 186,000 miles per second, and it was 8,000 angstroms in length, what would be the speed of light of a x-ray that is only 100 angstroms in length.
plainly 100 is 80 times smaller than 8,000.
looking a closer we see than gamma is even smaller, and has a greater effect on mass than light, like wise a electron, and as said before a x-ray, in order for such energy to have a effect it must have a speed at which energy can react that is not back ground energy radation. or seen another way, the x-ray, gamma, and electron have more energy and therfore react with other energy slowing it down.
these event pretain reagrless if it is in a vaccum or air, as long as radation or energy exist in medium the x-ray will react at a greater rate than other light. simply conservation of energy and engery expenditure demonstrate this.
common sense demonstartes that light with different lengths will have different speeds and different electromagnetic reactions.

example radio wave do not respond as geen light, plainly ther are different properties with different light. like wise different speeds.

in general if a x-ray is 80 times less than red light, which tavels at 186,000 mi per sec then

186,000 divided by 80 = 2,325
the speed of a x-ray is then 183,675 mph or minus 1/80th of the speed of light red.

beta patricles are as slow as 150,000 miles per second.,

the event of emf is the coupling speed of light , in organized dierction which is 166,000 miles per second. therfore one can see than random light is different than organised coupling of light and for that reason has two different speeds, as well they have two different effects.



DWAYNE D.L.RABON

Not sure really what gravity would be made of, but the universe itself is 73% dark energy, 4% is atoms, and the rest I forget :(

I'll get back to you on this Mr. A-later on when my head stops throbbing! lol Too many brews!

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Well, I have to say that I do have a high metabolic rate. I'm not skinny mind you, but I'm not fat either-I actually lost almost 2 inches around my waist just from walking to/from work-20 minutes either way. So, I'm one of the lucky few that can get away with it ;)

I'll get back to you later on. Getting ready for work at the moment. So, I'll check with you later, and take care.

Regards,

norad

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My, my....... We're certainly sounding more sparky t'day....

Yes, much better today ;)

So, if I understand your post, then I should look at space like a rubber sheet? I saw something somewhere that used this synopsis for looking at how to *distort*, not sure if that's correct, space. From what I understand of this, it would take huge amounts of energy, possibly matter to *distort* spacetime. So, I guess for now, this is totally unfeasible-at least from where I'm standing at.

So, I guess the question is, which would be easier to attain? Electromagnetism for propulsion or gravity? And what would prove to be the better for acceleration? Gravity or electromagnetism? I would think gravity for space travel, and then electromagnetism for travel within a body-such as our atmosphere. Does that sound like the typical UFO, Mr. A?

I'll be back later to check up on your feelings on this.

Regards,

norad

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Although y'do have to remember, that stuff about a UFO using an electromagnetic field like that isn't actually propulsion, but then I think I may have banged on enough about that for me to be fairly certain that's actually the way you're meaning it...

Yes, not for propulsion, but for descent reasons.

Now, the engine is something I question. It wouldn't have to be like the archaic solid rocket engines we use-I also assume this wouldn't produce enough thrust to get here in an exceptable amount of time from the nearest star. I guess I question the use of booster rockets being used by beings more advanced than we are-if those beings exist.

What about nuclear power? Would that produce enough energy to escape our atmosphere? I assume it would, but how that would be accomplished is another matter. What about electromagnetism? Could there be enough force to propel the object out of the grips of our gravity? Hmmmm......you mentioned way back when that the Earth is both positive/negative. What about the magnetic grids? From my understanding, these grids move around. I wonder if some research has been done with UFO sightings and the magnetic grids? You know, depending on where these grids are at the moment, if there is more UFO sightings in that particular region? If you do a search for Coral Castle, you will see what I mean. This fellow claimed he knew the secret the Egyptians did, but took it with him to his grave.

Pleasure, Mr. A

Regards,

norad

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Yes, nuclear fusion is what I meant by nuclear power.

So, magnetic grids wouldn't be of any use?

I'll check back later, Mr. A. Have a good one.

Regards,

norad

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The speed of light I knew. I do have a physics book at home which describes the twins paradox, etc. So, I'm not behind on this. I'm more behind on magnetism, electromagnetism.

I guess what I really wanted to know if the magnetic grids were strong enough for some sort of propulsion out of Earth's gravity, but it seems that it really isn't. I still think if these things exist, UFO's, then they must be using something beyond our capabilities/thinking. It seems to me that eye witness accounts don't even suggest noise or an ion trail, which would be representative to the use of an engine of some sort.

What I was driving at with the magnetic fields is, well, I think you already knew. If you take one magnet and try to put them together with the same polarity-not sure if that's the correct term-they will do everything in their power to stay apart. So, that was my reasoning. I still think it's viable, but not necessarily with magnetic grids.

Have a good one Mr. A. I'm at work at the moment, and just have a few minutes left before going back at it.

Regards,

norad

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Yes, work is a bugger, especially when it makes someone else rich!

Thanks for the post, and I know what you mean, no hardcore evidence of UFO's.

I'll read through the whole thing latter, and see if I can come up with any questions-heck maybe even rebuttals ;) Just kidding Mr. A.

Have a good one.

Regards,

norad

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