Insane insane insane idea I know...

I'm trying to get a girl to masterbate.

She's a mormon. And after some conversations with her, I believe that I can convert her to either agnosticism or atheism. She believes, rather naiively, that orgasms come from the joy of knowing that you and the person you are having sex are going to have a child. This doesn't seem to apply to oral sex or masterbation, according to her those things are "bad."

I gave her Nietzsche's Thus Spoke Zarathustra to read. In exchange for that I agreed to read The Book of Mormon, which at the very least seems to have the balls to actually come out and say that they're better than everyone else instead of just pretending not to be.

So anyway, because she is blatantly blatantly wrong about the sex/joy thing, I'm trying to get her to masterbate. I believe that if I can get her to do this, and enjoy herself, that she will begin to question the other various weak tenets of her religion and see the strengths of mine.

Trouble is, this is somewhat of a unique challenge for me, and I was wondering if anyone had any pointers, I guess. She says she isn't turned on by anything, so I think finding a way to get her turned on would be a pretty good start.

One last thing. She's pretty hot. She doesn't believe in sex until marriage, but I'm betting that if I could convert her I would either get to have a really close hot friend or a porkbuddy or a really hot protege.

 

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If there was ever a more desperate cry by a man asking for poontang i haven't seen it.

 

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Seriously, I'm thinking of it being at most something on the side. How many people can say that they've converted someone else from their religion. I think it'd be quite the achievement.

 

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:bugeye: Yeah, whatever you need to tell yourself.......*walks away slowly*:bugeye:

 

She already does masterbate.

 

Nope. Not at all. She thinks that you can't get much joy out of it, if any because by masterbating you're not producing a child. I don't know how it is for females, but for males at least that's total b.s.

 

If you can get her in a position where you could perform oral sex
on her, it's ALL good from there. Please, appreciate the double pun!

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Assuming shes all physically there, she should enjoy masturbation, most women do/ can. If you want to fuck with her head, ask about her fantasies etc. Of course, her programming sounds like its inhibiting her reaction, so theres a lot to be done there.

I agree wholeheartedly with sargentlard. Your just turning into a teenager now. (not that youll pay any attention to us.)

I think Zarathustra is heavy shit to be giving her first.

 

Well I would try to present masturbation to her as a form of a (neccessary/advisable) traning before enterring the marriage state. I would also suggest masturbation as advancing future fertility of the woman (many girls are affraid of being unfertile).
I would present myslef as a future parent who oppriciates girls who take their future parenting seriously and train for it hard so that they can enter the holy state with well-functioning and well-trained organs...

 

Look, if I can't get her to masterbate how the hell am I supposed to have sex with her? This girl is quite the interesting specimen. She believes herself to have fallen in love with a guy from a Mormon camp she went to a few months ago. She hasn't seen him at all since but she does talk to him not every day but regularly. She expects to marry him in seven years, then have sex with him to produce kids. As far as I can tell they had no or next to no physical "action" when they were together in person, because, hey, they're both Mormons.

I hope she's sounding young and naiive to readers of this post, because she certainly sounds young and naiive to me. This long distance relationship is NOT going to last--they aren't going to see each other again until the summer, which is, last time I checked, over half a year away. Need I say more?

I already tried doing that. According to her, nothing turns her on. This is the first thing I have to fix, I'm thinking that
this and this might do the trick without exposing her to pornography, which might freak her out. Plus, according to the girls that I've spoken to that DO masterbate, they don't use pornography to begin with. They just fantasize. And the first site I provided at least leaves plenty of elbow room for her to picture a guy that turns her on doing those things to her.

I've been a teenager for three years!

True. Maybe like using an atomic bomb to take care of a colony of ants. But then, when you do that, to continue the simile, what do you get? Giant radioactive ants!

I'm going to help her along with it because yeah, the book is pretty thick. I just think that the prospect of truly creating your own morals is significantly more enticing than following those as prescribed by a religion, one which keeps you from enjoying the extra features that come with your own body. Long sentence.

I like the suggestions Pro Cop, at least the first few...

 

I think it's an excellent idea, liberating mankind from false and pathetic religious beleifs. Hell, why not enroll her in some satanic orgy cult?

 

"Hell, why not enroll her in some satanic orgy cult?"

Because its also a false and pathetic religious belief?

"I've been a teenager for three years!"

But now your loooking at others as pieces of meat to manouvre into sex.

 

That's your challenge.

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Good luck, bud: you'll need it.

 

Its quite possible she may be someone of principle.
Beleive it or not there are greater experiences to be had than just the physical.
Judging from my own experience anyways.
And I do not belong to any religious faction.
#1. Standing up for what you beleive in.
#2. Keeping a promise you have made to yourself no matter what.

Some of us would be lying, if we said we weren't trying,
to hard, but it all works out in the end.

 

Personally I do not think you have much chance to make her masturbate. Maybe other girl can do that. For you the best way is to seduce her. But first check out whether she is not just frigid. As for her de-conversion - are you 100% sure it is good idea? You can make her very unhappy. Mormons are very close community. And they do not like renegades very much. The thing you want to do would turn her entire world upside down. Think twice about it. Can you offer her better alternative? In any case, conversion by temptation is not good idea. What if you succeed in the first part (in seducing her, making her masturbate etc.) but fail in the other one (de-conversion)? She will suffer from extreme feeling of guilt.
I agree that Mormonism is stupid religion, but she is safe there. And she is used to it.
So - if you think you can de-convert her, do it by argument. If you succeed, then you can go for the other part.
Also - do not try to de-convert her (either way) just for fun - it would be evil.

BTW: Marquis de Sade's "Dialog between a priest and a dying man" is much better reading for your purpose than Nietzsche. And from more serious material - something from Richard Dawkins for instance.

 

FCITA

 

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Give me the girl's e-mail so I can thwart your plans and marry her, instead of whatever guy she's talking to now. As for "false and pathetic religious beliefs," Have you ever talked to someone truly converted? There will be a difference, if you look for it. I can feel the difference, when I'm on the path, and when I trip and stumble. She is still messed up, though.

 

Just think if she learns how to she won't need you any longer or any men matter of fact. Is this a good idea, that's up to you to decide.

 

lol. reminds me of a friend of mine.
a very strict born again christian.
i decided to become friends with him first. then started talking to him about his religion and such. before too long i gave him some porn and taut him the fine art of getting high so that he could learn their are worldy pleasures and you dont have to wait till you die.
unfortunatly he kinda missed the point. now im stuck with a fucked up druggy, satan worshiping, slut for a friend.
kinda went from one pole to another. sounds like somthing offa south park... life is crazy.