"Everything that can exist will someday exist."

Is that statement correct? Is there a way of knowing it? :confused:

Didn't you ask this question about a week or two ago?

I do not know where to start on how to answer this, but the assumption that "everything can exist will exist" is part of a proof for a god by St. Thomas Aquinas.

Didn't you ask this question about a week or two ago?
No. Never asked that question...
Where did you see?

I do not know where to start on how to answer this, but the assumption that "everything can exist will exist" is part of a proof for a god by St. Thomas Aquinas.
Well, we could take a look at that, I suppose...

Well the proof is irrelevent to this topic.

What do you mean by "everything?" I am picturing too many meanings of this I am confused.

There are infinite possibilities in emptiness, there is always something more, imagination is infinite, and infinity can't be reached.

There are infinite possibilities in emptiness, there is always something more, imagination is infinite, and infinity can't be reached.

What if time began an infinite amount of time ago?

I like this quote from a 9 year old:
"Infinity is where things that cannot happen, happen."

What if time began an infinite amount of time ago?

then time never began. but everything can't have happened because we're still going towards future, towards infinity, towards something, something new.

I like this quote from a 9 year old:
"Infinity is where things that cannot happen, happen."

i had a deep quote by a 3 year old but i don't remember it.

then time never began. but everything can't have happened because we're still going towards future, towards infinity, towards something, something new.

True. But couldn't everything happen in the infinte past?

What do you mean by "everything?" I am picturing too many meanings of this I am confused.
Given an infinite amount of time, will everything that could exist actually exist someday, even if the amount of possibilities is infinite?

There are infinite possibilities in emptiness, there is always something more, imagination is infinite, and infinity can't be reached.
Imagination is not infinite, unless you are Omniscient and the amount of possibilities is infinite.

Is there a way of knowing it? :confused:
Of course not.

I like this quote from a 9 year old:
"Infinity is where things that cannot happen, happen."
That's why everything is infinite.

Who's the cute genious kid? :)

That's why everything is infinite.

Who's the cute genious kid? :)

I don't know... I read that quote in a book about infinity.

Given an infinite amount of time, will everything that could exist actually exist someday, even if the amount of possibilities is infinite?

You didn't tell me what you mean by "everything."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/everything

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/everything

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/everything

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/everything

That is not what I mean. What is a thing? I am not trying to be picky here but I do not know where to start if I do not know what we are discussing.

Give me the conditions that give birth to things, what these things are made of, and where these things exist and I may be able to answer.

Imagination is not infinite, unless you are Omniscient and the amount of possibilities is infinite.

of course the possibilities are infintie!!!!!! every moment is new... different... infinity can't be expresssed fully. similar moments to this have occured in the past and will occur in the future, but there will never come an exact moment like this!!!!

everything that can be (infinity) can never be. infinity an unreachable goal, because it isn't in space and time, it's now... in nothingness!!!!!!

Give me the conditions that give birth to things,
I have no idea

what these things are made of,
Energy, I suppose...

and where these things exist and I may be able to answer.
Everywhere, I suppose...

of course the possibilities are infintie!!!!!! every moment is new... different... infinity can't be expresssed fully. similar moments to this have occured in the past and will occur in the future, but there will never come an exact moment like this!!!!

everything that can be (infinity) can never be. infinity an unreachable goal, because it isn't in space and time, it's now... in nothingness!!!!!!
First of all, the quote was mine...

Second, I stated there are two conditions:
1) Omniscience
2) Infinite possibilities

You cannot ignore Omniscience...

Infinite possibilities implies infinite parallel realities, plus an infinite number of violations of physical laws.

Infinite possibilities implies infinite parallel realities, plus an infinite number of violations of physical laws.

physical laws wouldn't exist without the law of infinity.

Omniscience automatically precludes infinite possibilities.
If I'm omniscient I know what's going to happen next which means that if I know then the other things that "could" have happened can't or I'd be wrong, and therefore not omniscient.

without the law of infinity. There's a law of infinity?

Omniscience automatically precludes infinite possibilities.
If I'm omniscient I know what's going to happen next which means that if I know then the other things that "could" have happened can't or I'd be wrong, and therefore not omniscient.

Are you talking about all-knowing implies there is no free-will?

There's a law of infinity?

Oh sure there is. But humans cannot comprehend it :rolleyes:

This thread has nothing to do with free will...

Well it was oli that brought it up.

And if something were all-knowing, then it would be sufficient to consult it for the answer, would it not? However it would know if we were going to ask anyway...

"Everything that can exist will someday exist."

Is that statement correct? Is there a way of knowing it? :confused:
It is simple to disprove.
I could have had an identical twin brother.
I didn't.
No matter how far forward or backward you go, I will never have an identical twin brother.

I hope this has resolved it for you?
If not, what is still confusing you?

There's a law of infinity?

infinity is the only law in the universe.

It is simple to disprove.
I could have had an identical twin brother.
I didn't.
No matter how far forward or backward you go, I will never have an identical twin brother.

I hope this has resolved it for you?
If not, what is still confusing you?

That is not proof. You seem to be assuming there will never be another "you" ever or there never was. In a deterministic universe (hence, no free will no "you") your argument does not work.

infinity is the only law in the universe.

What is this law? Google turns up nothing. And if it is the only law in the universe, how can we derive all that exists from it?

Are you talking about all-knowing implies there is no free-will?
That as well, but also that there's no "possibilities": what is foreseen must happen. Therefore you can't have both, or a "choice" of either/ or. Red bus or blue bus? If a red one is foreseen then there is no "possibility" of a blue one.

What is this law?

The law of infinity means that there are infinite possibilities (no laws)

Don't there have to be laws to make these possibilities?

What is this law? Google turns up nothing.
It wouldn't. Not enough mystic gobbledygook fans out there. There is no law of infinity.

Don't there have to be laws to make these possibilities?

Only nothingness is required.

It wouldn't. Not enough mystic gobbledygook fans out there. There is no law of infinity.

You're just demostrating the infinity of the universe.

Only nothingness is required.



You're just demostrating the infinity of the universe.

I cannot make sense of your posts.

You're just demostrating the infinity of the universe.
All on my own? Shit, I should ask for pay raise. At least it'll look good on my CV.

What's going on with this thread? :bugeye:

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I cannot make sense of your posts.

if you have an empty paper, you have infinite possibilities. it is empty, nothing, so you can paint everything there, so this nothingness actually includes everything.

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Composição: Toquinho/Vinicius de Moraes

Numa folha qualquer eu desenho um sol amarelo
E com cinco ou seis retas é fácil fazer um castelo
Corro o lápis em torno da mão e me dou uma luva
E se faço chover, com dois riscos tenho um guarda-chuva

Se um pinguinho de tinta cai num pedacinho azul do papel
num instante imagino uma linda gaivota a voar no céu
Vai voando, contornando a imensa curva Norte e Sul

Vou com ela viajando Havaí, Pequim ou Istambul
Pinto um barco a vela branco navegando,
é tanto céu e mar num beijo azul

Entre as nuvens vem surgindo um lindo avião rosa e grená
Tudo em volta colorindo, com suas luzes a piscar
Basta imaginar e ele está partindo, sereno e lindo
e se a gente quiser ele vai pousar

Numa folha qualquer eu desenho um navio de partida
com alguns bons amigos bebendo de bem com a vida
De uma América a outra consigo passar num segundo
Giro um simples compasso e num círculo eu faço o mundo

Um menino caminha e caminhando chega no muro
e ali logo em frente a esperar pela gente o futuro está
E o futuro é uma astronave que tentamos pilotar

Não tem tempo nem piedade nem tem hora de chegar
Sem pedir licença muda nossa vida,
depois convida a rir ou chorar

Nessa estrada não nos cabe conhecer ou ver o que virá
O fim dela ninguém sabe bem ao certo onde vai dar
Vamos todos numa linda passarela
de uma aquarela que um dia enfim
Descolorirá

Numa folha qualquer eu desenho um sol amarelo (que descolorirá)
e com cinco ou seis retas é fácil fazer um castelo (que descolorirá)
Giro um simples compasso e num círculo eu faço o mundo (e descolorirá)

:)

if you have an empty paper, you have infinite possibilities. it is empty, nothing, so you can paint everything there, so this nothingness actually includes everything.

I can make that paper 1-dimensional? Are you saying that infinity is a subset of nothingness? Wow, what a claim.