OMG I can't believe the double standard I'm witnessing here. First I'm going to start with Cynthia Mckinney, here's what was said about her when she touched a Capitol Police Officer.

WASHINGTON — U.S. Capitol Police are investigating an incident in which one of its officers allegedly tried to stop Rep. Cynthia McKinney, D-Ga., from bypassing a security checkpoint and ended up getting punched in the chest.

Capitol Police Sgt. Kimberly Schneider did not release any details surrounding the investigation, only saying that the "matter has been brought to their attention." But sources have told FOX News that the police action stems from the supposed confrontation Wednesday at the Longworth House Office Building on Capitol Hill.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,189553,00.html

A federal grand jury will soon begin hearing evidence about Rep. Cynthia McKinney's run-in with a Capitol Police officer, a lawyer familiar with the case said late Wednesday.
The lawyer, who declined to be identified because of grand jury secrecy, confirmed that federal prosecutors had agreed to get involved in the case in which a black lawmaker is accused of striking a white officer after he tried to stop her from entering a House office building without going through a security checkpoint.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8GQ67EO5&show_article=1

Now, when a White Politician does the same thing, look how it's reported by the so-called Liberal Media


Shays screams at Capitol Police officer, later apologies


On Thursday afternoon, Rep. Christopher Shays (R-Conn.) got into a loud, angry dispute with a U.S. Capitol Police officer at the security checkpoint inside the entrance of the West Side of the Capitol. On Friday, Shays, a veteran lawmaker, offered a public apology for the incident, and said that he wants to meet with the officer personally to reiterate how sorry he is.

Shays reportedly grabbed the officer during the dispute over whether the officer should allow a group of tourists to enter the building, said several sources. Tourists are not allowed to use the West Front entrance, but Shays was trying to bring the group through that entrance anyway. The officer refused to allow them to come inside, and Shays then "yelled and screamed" at the officer, including using profanity, the sources said.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0707/Shays_screams_at_Capitol_Police_officer_later_apol ogies.html

The double standard astounds me. At last, we can put to rest, the Myth of the Liberal Media.

Yeah, right. Getting punched in the chest and screamed at is not the same as someone grabbing your identification badge and screaming at you.

U.S. Capitol Police Chief Terrance Gainer said McKinney turned the officer's failure to recognize her into a criminal matter when she failed to stop at his request, and then struck him.

The above is McKinney, below is Shays.

"The officer took offense to the manner in which the Congressman spoke to him and said that the Congressman also reached out and touched his nametag."

Yes the difference is remarkable,

Rep. Christopher Shays (R-Conn.) offers a apology and doesn't even try to justify his actions he just apologies,

Now for Cynthia McKinney, D-Ga,

Punches,

11Alive.com - Report: McKinney Punches Cop
According to sources on Capitol Hill, U.S. Representative Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) punched a Capitol police officer on Wednesday afternoon after he ...
http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=77991

Plays the Race Card,

Democracy Now! | Cynthia McKinney Accuses Capitol Police of Racial ...
Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) has complained she was the victim of racial profiling that led to a run-in with a Capitol police officer last week. ...
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/04/1419259

And in the end get special treatment.

Lynn Sweet: Rep. Cynthia McKinney: Won't be indicted for hitting ...
The controversial Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-Ga.), who hit a Capitol police office last March 29, won't be indicted by a grand jury. ...
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2006/06/rep_cynthia_mckinney_wont_be_i.html

If You or I punched a Police Officer we would be in front of a Judge and making a plea.

Yeah, right. Getting punched in the chest and screamed at is not the same as someone grabbing your identification badge and screaming at you.



The above is McKinney, below is Shays.

Assualt, is Assualt. If I were to push you down, or punch you, the charges would be the same. I like how you minimize Shay's actions, when they were The same fucking thing And it is different. Cynthia Mckinney is a Woman for crying out loud. Being physcially assualted by a Man, is much more damaging then being assaulted by a Woman.

Yes the difference is remarkable,

Rep. Christopher Shays (R-Conn.) offers a apology and doesn't even try to justify his actions he just apologies,

Now for Cynthia McKinney, D-Ga,

Punches,

11Alive.com - Report: McKinney Punches Cop
According to sources on Capitol Hill, U.S. Representative Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) punched a Capitol police officer on Wednesday afternoon after he ...
http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=77991

Plays the Race Card,

Democracy Now! | Cynthia McKinney Accuses Capitol Police of Racial ...
Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) has complained she was the victim of racial profiling that led to a run-in with a Capitol police officer last week. ...
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/04/1419259

And in the end get special treatment.

Lynn Sweet: Rep. Cynthia McKinney: Won't be indicted for hitting ...
The controversial Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-Ga.), who hit a Capitol police office last March 29, won't be indicted by a grand jury. ...
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2006/06/rep_cynthia_mckinney_wont_be_i.html

If You or I punched a Police Officer we would be in front of a Judge and making a plea.

Buffalo, you're a such inconsistent partisan It's not even funny. Okay, you want to talk details, lets talk details. Who can exert more pounds of pressure. A push from a man 6-4 200 pound man, or a punch from a 5-2 140 pound woman? That's what I thought tough guy.

GTFO

GTFO your meds, buddy. I didn't read a thing about Shays pushing anyone over. Care to share where you read that?

Assualt, is Assualt. If I were to push you down, or punch you, the charges would be the same.

But one did not punch.

I like how you minimize Shay's actions, when they were The same fucking thing And it is different.
You need to make up your mind.

From what you have posted, one became abusive and physically as well as verbally violent when she attempted to bypass a security checkpoint. The second became verbally abusive when a guard refused to let a tour group in through a different gate that was not designated as a public area.

Cynthia Mckinney is a Woman for crying out loud.
Your point being?

Should she have been treated differently because she is a woman and black? Why?

Being physcially assualted by a Man, is much more damaging then being assaulted by a Woman.
As you said yourself, "assault, is assault".

At the end of the day she should not have attempted to use the privilege of her office to bypass a security checkpoint that everyone has to go through. She should then not have become violent and abusive when a police officer advised her that she had to use the security checkpoint like everyone else. She should not have punched the police officer (very different to touching a name tag). If the police officer had let every non black individual through without going through the security checkpoint and tried to force her due to her colour to use said checkpoint, then she would have a right to be angry. But that was not the case in this instance. If she is one of the people, then she must be like one of the people and use the checkpoint. She had no right to punch him for doing his job.

And he (Shays) should not have attempted to use his position to get a tour group to use a non-public gate. He should then not have abused the police officer or touched the guy's name tag. He apologised for his actions.

As a lefty and a so called 'liberal', a woman and one of colour, I can tell you now... you're reaching.

GTFO your meds, buddy. I didn't read a thing about Shays pushing anyone over. Care to share where you read that?

Shays Pushed Officer= Assault! That's a fact. I know you have a bias but please try not to make it so blatant.

Well I am a conservative caucasian male, and I don't like Cynthia McKinney, but that has nothing to do with this situation.
If you would be so bold as to build a bridge for my "biased" stance and show where it says Shays pushed the officer, I would gladly agree that it would qualify as assault.

I think it's funny that you said in your first post,
"First I'm going to start with Cynthia Mckinney, here's what was said about her when she touched a Capitol Police Officer."

But one did not punch.


You need to make up your mind.

From what you have posted, one became abusive and physically as well as verbally violent when she attempted to bypass a security checkpoint. The second became verbally abusive when a guard refused to let a tour group in through a different gate that was not designated as a public area.


Your point being?

My point is you're illiterate and you can't read. Since you can't, let me help you.

Shays reportedly grabbed the officer during the dispute over whether the officer should allow a group of tourists to enter the building, said several sources



Should she have been treated differently because she is a woman and black? Why?

That's not my argument neo-facsist quit putting words in my mouth.




As you said yourself, "assault, is assault".

Both should been prosecuted.

At the end of the day she should not have attempted to use the privilege of her office to bypass a security checkpoint that everyone has to go through.

I agree, neither should Shays. The capitols security measures states that "No civilians can enter the West entrance"




She should then not have become violent and abusive when a police officer advised her that she had to use the security checkpoint like everyone else.

I agree, neither should Shays, but you're concentrating on Cynthia? Hmmm, I wonder why?

She should not have punched the police officer (very different to touching a name tag).

Rather or not your five fingers were clinched when you exterted your force on someone, doesn't make it different, then when your five fingers are spread apart.


If the police officer had let every non black individual through without going through the security checkpoint and tried to force her due to her colour to use said checkpoint, then she would have a right to be angry. But that was not the case in this instance. If she is one of the people, then she must be like one of the people and use the checkpoint. She had no right to punch him for doing his job.

Correct, he was doing his job.. AND?

And he (Shays) should not have attempted to use his position to get a tour group to use a non-public gate. He should then not have abused the police officer or touched the guy's name tag. He apologised for his actions.



As a lefty and a so called 'liberal', a woman and one of colour, I can tell you now... you're reaching.[/QUOTE]

LIAR

My point is you're illiterate and you can't read. Since you can't, let me help you.


And now let me help you my little blind friend. From your own link and what the police officer reported about the event..

here's a Capitol Police report on the incident:

"On Thursday, July 19, 2007, a United States Capitol Police officer had an interaction with Congressman Christopher Shays on the West Front of the Capitol wherein the Congressman acted in a manner that was inappropriate.

"The officer took offense to the manner in which the Congressman spoke to him and said that the Congressman also reached out and touched his nametag.
Link (http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0707/Shays_screams_at_Capitol_Police_officer_later_apol ogies.html)

Hardly grabbing the officer. And very very different to punching a police officer, wouldn't you say?

But the manner of the assault is different. Consider it a varying degree with a touch of the name tag being one of the lowest and a punch in the chest ranking up high.

That's not my argument neo-facsist quit putting words in my mouth.

That you could refer to me as a neo-fascist is amusing in itself. But to accuse me of putting words in your mouth?

Hahahahaaaa..

Re-read what it was you stated and do so slowly. After you have actually understood your own words, get back to me.

Both should been prosecuted.
Maybe. The officers who were the ones on the receiving end of both decided differently however. I doubt it has something to do with colour. More what occured afterwards. One apologised and admitted he was wrong. The other one did not.

I agree, neither should Shays. The capitols security measures states that "No civilians can enter the West entrance"
Which I said also in my original post.

I agree, neither should Shays, but you're concentrating on Cynthia? Hmmm, I wonder why?

Ah gee. I dunno. Maybe because you did so as well and I was only replying to you.:rolleyes:

Rather or not your five fingers were clinched when you exterted your force on someone, doesn't make it different, then when your five fingers are spread apart.
Grabbing someone's nametag is vastly different to punching someone.

Read your own links. There was no mention that he knocked the officer down. Only that he reached for the nametag.

Correct, he was doing his job.. AND?
Ok. I will attempt to speak to you like I speak to my 22 month old. Very slowly.

He was doing his job and he should not have been punched because she expected special treatment and then became angry when she was reminded that everyone had to go through security, including her.

Do. You. Understand. Now?...

LIAR
:rolleyes:

You left out 'pants on fire'.

I would take you more seriously if you were not so emotional and unable to assimilate the facts you posted yourself.

That was an intellectual mugging. Pick on someone your own size, Bella.

That was an intellectual mugging. Pick on someone your own size, Bella.


I have to agree with Bells, read the story, there is no real comparison between the two incidents, and the story shows this, Touching a name tag? vs: a Thrown punch? Congressman Christopher Shays apologizes immediately vs: Rep. Cynthia McKinney, D-Ga who plays the race card and has to be dragged to a apology? and then in the end still get special treatment when charges are dropped, Congressman Christopher Shays for a group of Visitors vs: The Self Important Rep. Cynthia McKinney, D-Ga who is trying to assert special privilege for herself.

And now let me help you my little blind friend. From your own link and what the police officer reported about the event..


Hardly grabbing the officer. And very very different to punching a police officer, wouldn't you say?

But the manner of the assault is different. Consider it a varying degree with a touch of the name tag being one of the lowest and a punch in the chest ranking up high.

Ok, I'm going to explain the law to you. I know the facts don't matter when you're debating. But in reality facts actually matter. And this what makes seperates us, I actually have facts to back up what I'm saying. And you don't, it's as simple as that. So please allow me to school you if I may.

http://weblinks.westlaw.com/Find/Default.wl?DB=DC%2DST%2DTOC%3BSTADCTOC&DocName=DCCODES22%2D405&FindType=W&AP=&fn=_top&rs=WEBL7.07&vr=2.0&spa=DCC-1000&trailtype=26


(b) Whoever without justifiable and excusable cause, assaults, resists, opposes, impedes, intimidates, or interferes with a law enforcement officer on account of, or while that law enforcement officer is engaged in the performance of his or her official duties shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, shall be imprisoned not more than 180 days or fined not more than $1,000, or both


Can you read Bells, what he did was against the law, and it's considerd Assault. No matter how you try to spin it. YOU LOST THIS TALKING POINT




That you could refer to me as a neo-fascist is amusing in itself. But to accuse me of putting words in your mouth?

Hahahahaaaa..

Yes you did..

Re-read what it was you stated and do so slowly. After you have actually understood your own words, get back to me.

I said this "Cynthia Mckinney is a Woman for crying out loud"

And Bells respondedShould she have been treated differently because she is a woman and black? Why

That's the difference Bell. The reason I brought up the fact of her being a WOMAN was because how can a 5-2 woman, be any real threat to 6-0 man heavily armed? It's sad that I had to spell that out to you, it really is.

Maybe. The officers who were the ones on the receiving end of both decided differently however.

Allways is when it comes to African Americans and the Police. When was the last time a an unarmed White Person was killed by the Police?? ****CRICKETS***



I doubt it has something to do with colour. More what occured afterwards. One apologised and admitted he was wrong. The other one did not.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/06/mckinney/index.html

McKinney apologizes for scuffle with officer
Grand jury to hear testimony on incident, sources say

Thursday, April 6, 2006; Posted: 2:20 p.m. EDT (18:20 GMT)


Rep. Cynthia McKinney apologizes on the House floor Thursday for a scuffle with a police officer. RELATED
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Man you're getting roased. I've refuted every point you made. With links to back up my statements. What do you got? Just your doubts and opinions, hearsay and innuendo.





Grabbing someone's nametag is vastly different to punching someone.

http://weblinks.westlaw.com/Find/Default.wl?DB=DC%2DST%2DTOC%3BSTADCTOC&DocName=DCCODES22%2D405&FindType=W&AP=&fn=_top&rs=WEBL7.07&vr=2.0&spa=DCC-1000&trailtype=26


(b) Whoever without justifiable and excusable cause, assaults, resists, opposes, impedes, intimidates, or interferes with a law enforcement officer on account of, or while that law enforcement officer is engaged in the performance of his or her official duties shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, shall be imprisoned not more than 180 days or fined not more than $1,000, or both



Ok. I will attempt to speak to you like I speak to my 22 month old. Very slowly
You're kinda slow, because I just roasted your ass in this debate.

He was doing his job and he should not have been punched because she expected special treatment and then became angry when she was reminded that everyone had to go through security, including her.

Do. You. Understand. Now?...

Shays reportedly grabbed the officer during the dispute over whether the officer should allow a group of tourists to enter the building, said several sources. Tourists are not allowed to use the West Front entrance, but Shays was trying to bring the group through that entrance anyway.

Ok, I'm going to read you the law once last time, really slow, so you can undestand

Whoever without justifiable and excusable cause, assaults, resists, opposes, impedes, intimidates, or interferes with a law enforcement officer on account of, or while that law enforcement officer is engaged in the performance of his or her official duties shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, shall be imprisoned not more than 180 days or fined not more than $1,000, or both



I would take you more seriously if you were not so emotional and unable to assimilate the facts you posted yourself.

Atleast I have facts. You don't have nothing but doubts! You got owned. Please don't bite off more then you can chew.

Just a little more details on McKinney's actions and a brief followup. She apologized ONLY after being threatened with prosecution AND at the urgings of fellow congresspeople.

Since that time, she lost in the last election, has withdrawn from politics and never makes the news any more. Her home district, largely the county of Gwinnette, Ga, had all they could stand of her and withdrew support. Her opponent in the last election - a black male (sorry, forgot his name at the moment) was viewed as being much more in tune with the real issues and won by a landslide.

Just a little more details on McKinney's actions and a brief followup. She apologized ONLY after being threatened with prosecution AND at the urgings of fellow congresspeople.

Since that time, she lost in the last election, has withdrawn from politics and never makes the news any more. Her home district, largely the county of Gwinnette, Ga, had all they could stand of her and withdrew support. Her opponent in the last election - a black male (sorry, forgot his name at the moment) was viewed as being much more in tune with the real issues and won by a landslide.

So now it's a time issue, it's not if you apologized, it's all about when? It doesn't matter who apologized, or when. It's all about Who broke the law? They both did. But this is another case of selective enforcement. And ofcourse the one they selected to overreact to was the Black one. I'm not against punishment if you brake the law. I want to see it enforced equally.

Ganymede

People do tend to overreact when a perpetrator is black instead of white. But two points stand out here:

(1) There is a difference in the form of the conduct, and,
(2) I would have thought, so far, that the better generalization would have been between north (Connecticut) and south (Georgia).

As to point #2, though it was based largely in my confusion as to the difference you were noting. (Difference in the politician vs. difference in how people view them.)

Ganymede, for every action, there is a reaction.

Cynthia McKinney verbally and physically abused an officer, refused to apologize, then claimed that he was discriminating against her because she was black. Cynthia McKinney was criticized, apologized, and is not yet subject to criminal charges.

Christopher Shays verbally and physically abused an officer, was criticized, apologized, and is not yet subject to criminal charges.

They both were relieved of any punishment, as far as I am aware. So I would say it was "enforced equally."