http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php?feed=Science&article=UPI-1-20070423-13254100-bc-india-rocket.xml

India's first commercial rocket was fired into space Monday, carrying a 776-pound Italian satellite that will collect data on the origins of the universe.

The Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle rocket took off from the Sriharikota launch pad in India's southern state of Andhra Pradesh, the Press Trust of India reported.

Separately, the BBC reported scientists at the Indian Space Research Organization broke out into spontaneous applause when the rocket lifted off into a clear blue sky.

As well they might.

Indians pride themselves on their success in space.

Every launch resonates deeply in patriotic nerve centers and causes celebrations throughout the country. Some cities fire off so many fireworks the sky stays thick with smoke for hours. In other places, people pray for the success of the mission in temples and mosques. They may not know what's on board the rocket, but its liftoff certainly lends credibility to India.

Still, India's rocket scientists are humble about their work. Launching missiles with massive payloads into space is a tricky business and things can go wrong at any stage.

After 11 consecutive successful launches, the most recent launch of India's Geosynchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle on July 10 had to be aborted when one of the engines failed. But these sorts of setbacks are par for the course in the space business -- and aren't confined to India. In 2003, a similar satellite launch by Brazil's space agency resulted in disaster when the rocket exploded on the launch pad, killing 21 technicians and briefly forcing the country to suspend its space program.

To keep the odds in their favor, some scientists make pilgrimages to the famous Venkateswara temple in Tirupati, Andhra Pradesh, with a small bronze replica of the payload. The model is sprinkled with holy water and placed in front of an idol of Vishnu to be blessed for success.

"Once you are airborne there is not time to make changes," said Rajeev Lochan, assistant science secretary of ISRO. "Maybe it helps to have the divine in your corner."

:p

Awesome. Go India. Go anyone who invests in our future.

Awesome. Go India. Go anyone who invests in our future.

Rocket science is good, but investments should be centered on developing the basic social needs of it's people first!

Rocket science is good, but investments should be centered on developing the basic social needs of it's people first!

Like creating jobs?:confused:
The IT and hi-tech industry has created so many jobs in India that we're now in the unique position of not having enough trained people for them.

Like creating jobs?:confused:

Precisely...with better pay and benefits. This would indeed be better for the country in terms of development and progress as they would not be tempted by western companies to migrate to the west for work.

Indians pride themselves on their success in space.

While a great percentage of their fellows are subjected to extreme poverty, hunger and disease, and lack of education and housing.

While corruption in politics and government and police is rampant, isolating it's poor from justice as well as city services.

Baron Max

While a great percentage of their fellows are subjected to extreme poverty, hunger and disease, and lack of education and housing.

While corruption in politics and government and police is rampant, isolating it's poor from justice as well as city services.

Baron Max

Wow what insight!:p

While a great percentage of their fellows are subjected to extreme poverty, hunger and disease, and lack of education and housing.

While corruption in politics and government and police is rampant, isolating it's poor from justice as well as city services.

Baron Max
i believe there is a thread to bash indian police baron.

India has smart people too. It is important to KEEP your nations smart people in-country. Smart people help keep the stupid people happy with the typical leeching taxtation systems (read "protection" from crime).

Smart people are sometimes only motivated by certain careers, if those careers are not found in his/her country, then they MOVE and no longer contribute to make the poor, pathetic, weak, even more pathetic and weak.

India has smart people too. It is important to KEEP your nations smart people in-country. Smart people help keep the stupid people happy with the typical leeching taxtation systems (read "protection" from crime).

Smart people are sometimes only motivated by certain careers, if those careers are not found in his/her country, then they MOVE and no longer contribute to make the poor, pathetic, weak, even more pathetic and weak.

Absolutely true, and what we are facing right now is a deficiency of good training, so I would prefer to see jobs available for those Indians trained abroad, to provide us with the resources to improve training and capabilities within India.

So is India ready for the Space Race? Have they got any modules in ISS?

Smart people are sometimes only motivated by certain careers, if those careers are not found in his/her country, then they MOVE and no longer contribute to make the poor, pathetic, weak, even more pathetic and weak.

um :wtf: .

Usuall the poor, pathetic and weak are the ones who build (physicallly) a civilisation. So when it's all done just throw them away...is that it?

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While a great percentage of their fellows are subjected to extreme poverty, hunger and disease, and lack of education and housing.

While corruption in politics and government and police is rampant, isolating it's poor from justice as well as city services.

Baron Max

Show me a country where there are no poor, where nobody is badly educated, where disease has been eradicated, and everyone has a house, and we can adopt their model, eh Max?

It's so easy to bash nations that are lagging a little eh Max? You talk about corruption, but you have Bush in the Whitehouse. A convicted drunk driver elected President, I think the first! USA! USA! NOT!

Anyway, back on topic, well done India!

Show me a country where there are no poor, where nobody is badly educated, where disease has been eradicated, and everyone has a house, and we can adopt their model, eh Max?

It's so easy to bash nations that are lagging a little eh Max? You talk about corruption, but you have Bush in the Whitehouse. A convicted drunk driver elected President, I think the first! USA! USA! NOT!

Anyway, back on topic, well done India!

Luxembourg?

cated, and everyone has a house, and we can adopt their model, eh Max?

It's so easy to bash nations that are lagging a little eh Max? You talk about corruption, but you have Bush in the Whitehouse. A convicted drunk driver elected President, I think the first! USA! USA! NOT!

Anyway, back on topic, well done India!

Way to go India?

They shot an Italian sat. into space, what we need another satellite in space for is beyond me.

We need to focus on human suffering, not national pride.

Luxembourg?

Luxembourg has disease.

Way to go India?

They shot an Italian sat. into space, what we need another satellite in space for is beyond me.

We need to focus on human suffering, not national pride.

This is the first Indian space mission that is purely for science, i.e. to collect information about the universe.

This is the first Indian space mission that is purely for science, i.e. to collect information about the universe.

umm...wasn't it an Italian Satellite?

Indian Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV-C8) and Italian AGILE satellite.

Luxembourg has disease.

its to the northwest, feeding off them.

Purely for science?

to collect information about the universe.

Whatever you say. If any benefit to science or humanity is made from this we will come back here and discuss it...what are the chances of that happening?

I am not a big fan of space exploration, so i am not just criticising because it is India. But with all India's problems...

Apparently the Italians paid them $11m to launch that satellite. If their space program is a commercial success, whats the problem?

Apparently the Italians paid them $11m to launch that satellite. If their space program is a commercial success, whats the problem?

the problem is that it is in no way an Indian scientific success, its Indian rocket but not cargo.

I “scoped” SamCD on this news but did not want to start new thread, so I posted in the existing "Indian farm" thread. See:
http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1365590&postcount=33

As no one posting here has mentioned an important aspect of this success, which I discussed in the "farm thread" post, I will just briefly note here that this (launching <1000Kg satellites) is new for India and in a very commercial field of the high tech area. (Brazil will be India's main competition in a few years.) I.e. a money maker for India, with more technical advances than "call center services" and more "hardware development" that the Bangagor computer services generate in India.

I.e. if Brazil does not drive India out of the market someday, then it is very important for India's future as a world leader in technical advances. India has more and better educated people than Brazil. With this head-start success, may close off Brazil's hopes to gain both income and technical development, but India is far north of the Equator and Brazil's launch site is very near it. Fundamentally, Brazil has a slight natural advantage. I bet India's launch site is near the southern tip of India - Is that true?

Sriharikota Space Center (SHAR)...Vikram Sarabhai Space Center...

hmmm

not really

http://www.spacetoday.org/images/Rockets/Spaceports/India.gif

Is that the same lift system that would be use to deliver India's Nuclear bomb?

Is that the same lift system that would be use to deliver India's Nuclear bomb?

who knows' this stuff is classified. I would go with submarine launch...but it's their choice.

http://www.atomicarchive.com/Reports/India/Images/india_facilities.gif

I didn't know that India had Boomers? SSBN.

I bet India's launch site is near the southern tip of India - Is that true?

Depends on which one you refer to:

Orbital launch vehicles: Sriharikota, a barrier island off Andhra Pradesh, East India.

Suborbital rockets: Thumba, Kerala (South India) or Balasore, Orissa (East India)

What's the name of their rockets? Vimanas? :p

- N

I still don't see how rocket technology can improve the living conditions of poor indian people.
If a third world country want's to make a big stride in the international arena it should do so by providing the very basic requirements of a needy society!

I still don't see how rocket technology can improve the living conditions of poor indian people.

Satellites.

If a third world country...

:O

- N

Satellites.

Ya' mean that all the poor people can use the satellites for some purpose in order to make themselves richer and less hungry?

How in hell do satellites make poor people better???

Baron Max

Ya' mean that all the poor people can use the satellites for some purpose in order to make themselves richer and less hungry?

How in hell do satellites make poor people better???

Baron Max

it is the power of will that defines people. It is not their skin, not their money, not their shape.

people decide themselves to suffer and be poor. So it's their problem

Satellites have the potential to change lives of those who want their lives to be changed for the better or worse. Satellites can be used to make agriculture efficient for so called poor people and they will upgrade their status of being poor to being rich. Satellites can be used to control mass flow of people and make life more efficient on all grounds, it is however people poor or not who choose to take advantage of this technology.

people decide themselves to suffer and be poor. So it's their problem.

Wow! A man after my own heart. Fuck 'em, let 'em eat cake, huh? :D

Baron Max

Wow! A man after my own heart. Fuck 'em, let 'em eat cake, huh? :D

Baron Max

it is them who decide to be in oblivion, be poor. I am saying it is wrong and have brought it on themselves.

it is them who decide to be in oblivion, be poor. I am saying it is wrong and have brought it on themselves.

How have they brought it on themselves?

it is them who decide to be in oblivion, be poor. I am saying it is wrong and have brought it on themselves.

I agree. How many times do I have to say it??? Fuck 'em, let 'em eat cake!

Baron Max

How have they brought it on themselves?

they are afraid to face actions and face the consequences of their actions. They fear change. They do not concentrate enough on education, on efficiency of their lives, on robustness. They have low power of will, they rather dwell in dirt than work and move on to another area...they rather live how they are.

I agree. How many times do I have to say it??? Fuck 'em, let 'em eat cake!

Baron Max

you put it in a violent way. Violence is not an answer towards those without much power of will.

they are afraid to face actions and face the consequences of their actions. They fear change. They do not concentrate enough on education, on efficiency of their lives, on robustness. They have low power of will, they rather dwell in dirt than work and move on to another area...they rather live how they are.

But they have to work much harder to survive if they are uneducated and hence inefficient, don't they? So how can they prefer it?

But they have to work much harder to survive if they are uneducated and hence inefficient, don't they? So how can they prefer it?

look Sam, I have been that dirt poor nothing, worked on a field as a boy 5 years old till 10. I have proved to my parents that I have power of will by doing well in school, by helping others, which gave them power to move on and leave collapsed Soviet Union for USA, and now we are rich. But our relatives are in nothingness, my mom's brother life is as a servant. And that's because he didn't care to learn and have power of will to end university and get a degree and further he did nothing but drove around in his car and did small car business until...he got divorced.

Anyways the poor choose to be poor because they dont dare to make their dreams a reality, they dont dare sweat for it!

look Sam, I have been that dirt poor nothing, worked on a field as a boy 5 years old till 10. I have proved to my parents that I have power of will by doing well in school, by helping others, which gave them power to move on and leave collapsed Soviet Union for USA, and now we are rich. But our relatives are in nothingness, my mom's brother life is as a servant. And that's because he didn't care to learn and have power of will to end university and get a degree and further he did nothing but drove around in his car and did small car business until...he got divorced.

Anyways the poor choose to be poor because they dont dare to make their dreams a reality, they dont dare sweat for it!You have no idea what you are talking about. Because someone isn't rich (only 3% of us are) they are lazy? Lack drive or dreams? You can't be that stupid. The working class works and sweats every day keeping this country running. The poor work at the hardest and sweatiest jobs, trying to achieve their dreams too. There is much more to life than dollar bill collecting. Defining people by their income is wrong draqon. I know you aren't that shallow.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Because someone isn't rich (only 3% of us are) they are lazy? Lack drive or dreams? You can't be that stupid. The working class works and sweats every day keeping this country running. The poor work at the hardest and sweatiest jobs, trying to achieve their dreams too. There is much more to life than dollar bill collecting. Defining people by their income is wrong draqon. I know you aren't that shallow.

oh really Mr. janitor? well guess what than . Tell me someone that I am wrong here: Go Mr. Genji and get yourself an education as an engineer in community college and than in a university so that in 7 years you can get 70k/year for working in good engineering company. Go and get education and study everyday and take those classes and change yourself!!!! you have this choice. Education in community college for one year for ur own money and get 4.0 gpa and scholarship and go on from there for free education.

oh really Mr. janitor? well guess what than . Tell me someone that I am wrong here: Go Mr. Genji and get yourself an education as an engineer in community college and than in a university so that in 7 years you can get 70k/year for working in good engineering company. Go and get education and study everyday and take those classes and change yourself!!!! you have this choice. Education in community college for one year for ur own money and get 4.0 gpa and scholarship and go on from there for free education.
I'm not ashamed to be a janitor. I live quite comfortably actually. More education for what? Dollar bill collecting? I've been in mortgage banking, meatpacking, steel and alot more. I have alot of friends and family that run in that little hamster ball with loads of education and stress but employers want experience. College is great! So is working for a living. Because I'm not some corporate pussy with pink fingers doesn't mean I don't have dreams or a comfortable, worthy life. Work is a small part of my life and I like that just fine.

I'm not ashamed to be a janitor. I live quite comfortably actually. More education for what? Dollar bill collecting? I've been in mortgage banking, meatpacking, steel and alot more. I have alot of friends and family that run in that little hamster ball with loads of education and stress but employers want experience. College is great! So is working for a living. Because I'm not some corporate pussy with pink fingers doesn't mean I don't have dreams or a comfortable, worthy life. Work is a small part of my life and I like that just fine.

well than go dream while sleeping in some rat hole while I drive in my limousine and drink champagne.

well than go dream while sleeping in some rat hole while I drive in my limousine and drink champagne.Limo owners don't drive them. Champagne is GAY dude! Didn't you know that!? My place isn't a rathole! It's a nice 2 bedroom condo in a good area. You bring your limo driver over sometime and we'll all drink champagne together.:shake:

it is them who decide to be in oblivion, be poor. I am saying it is wrong and have brought it on themselves.

You talk some shit draqon.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/6577129.stm

A mile down the road, firmly back in Russia, I went to see Mrs Rima. The 75-year-old showed me around the one-room shack she built with her own hands.

She survives on a pension of £60 a month.

I asked her what she thinks of the rich people who live behind the high green walls.

"They're all thieves," she said. "All that money is stolen from the people."

It's a view millions of Russians would agree with. Fifteen years ago everything in Russia was owned by the state. Today a quarter of Russia's economy is owned by 36 men.

Limo owners don't drive them. Champagne is GAY dude! Didn't you know that!? My place isn't a rathole! It's a nice 2 bedroom condo in a good area. You bring your limo driver over sometime and we'll all drink champagne together.:shake:

I think draqon fancies you.

I think draqon fancies you.

you are wrong.

you are wrong.

No I'm not. I know you want to play with Genji's willy.

No I'm not. I know you want to play with Genji's willy.

so you are telling me you know about me more than I do? How insane and illogical of you.

so you are telling me you know about me more than I do? How insane and illogical of you.

Yes.

I noticed all those hidden messages in your posts. All that philosophical bullshit has just been a cover, I'm not that stupid.

I know you want to play with Genji’s willy and choke on his scrotum.

Yes.

I noticed all those hidden messages in your posts. All that philosophical bullshit has just been a cover, I'm not that stupid.

I know you want to play with Genji’s willy and choke on his scrotum.

well you just agreed that you are illogical. So whatever you say afterwards is nonsense. :rolleyes:

well you just agreed that you are illogical. So whatever you say afterwards is nonsense. :rolleyes:

Oh come on draqon, stop this childishness.

Just admit you want to play with Genji's willy.

Its too late to delete your posts, your philosophical bullshit is clear to those that can read between the lines ;) And anyway, what have you got to lose?

"Son, they're launching a rocket today!"

"Really? Where's our food?"

"Look! There it goes!"

Transcendant.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php?feed=Science&article=UPI-1-20070423-13254100-bc-india-rocket.xml

India's first commercial rocket was fired into space Monday,
But India developed actionable nuclear bombs first.

India obviously needs the ability to kill millions before it requires the ability to feed hundreds of millions.

Sanctimony writ ironic.

Yawn.

I think draqon fancies you.:thankyou:

Yes.

I noticed all those hidden messages in your posts. All that philosophical bullshit has just been a cover, I'm not that stupid.

I know you want to play with Genji’s willy and choke on his scrotum.Holy Cannoli!! I'm I'm I'm speechless!

India obviously needs the ability to kill millions before it requires the ability to feed hundreds of millions.

Everybody is a Socialist now? Of course, I forget that bastion of Socialism, the USA, is perfectly free from poverty. Everyone gets an equal stab at education, and all basic needs are catered for.

Sanctimony writ ironic.


Here you are right, but for the wrong reasons.

You talk some shit draqon.
i would step back if i were you, he's LOADED with it.

Holy Cannoli!! I'm I'm I'm speechless!
i'm more sure of it now that ever! :)

.phlogistician

Everybody is a Socialist now? Of course, I forget that bastion of Socialism, the USA, is perfectly free from poverty. Everyone gets an equal stab at education, and all basic needs are catered for.

What you are calling for is equal result, everyone has a equal stab as you put it, for the Brass Ring, but it is those individuals that work for, and sacrifice in their lives, who get that Brass Ring, There are more than enough poor people who have pulled their lives out of poverty to show it can be done, they didn't wait for the government to do it for them, they worked their ass's off and sacrificed in their lives to make a better life for themselves and their families, they worked any job, want to school in their spare time, invented the next new discovery, they didn't wait for the government.

The funny thing is it seems that those that wait for the government to do it for them, remain in poverty, and the government seem to be set up to keep them their, after all the Beurocrates in the Government need a job to, and they don't live at the lower end of the wage scale do they, and think of all the bennie's that they get with there job

Everybody is a Socialist now? Of course, I forget that bastion of Socialism, the USA, is perfectly free from poverty. Everyone gets an equal stab at education, and all basic needs are catered for.

Here you are right, but for the wrong reasons.

Well, they're not perfect, but better than India. And I don't agree with having NASA either.

But India developed actionable nuclear bombs first.

India obviously needs the ability to kill millions before it requires the ability to feed hundreds of millions.

Sanctimony writ ironic.

Yawn.

But to stay in a piece and begin developing an ability to feed, the killing ability was a logical first.

It makes liitle sense to wait until every body is well-fed first before the first satellite is made, imho.

Indian satellites have been a boon for the Indian masses, they proved to be great tools for agriculture, communication, health and nation-building right from the Insat 1B!

the problem is that it is in no way an Indian scientific success, its Indian rocket but not cargo.

Well, scientific labs are starting to outsource their work to indian labs. Are the results Indian success or not?