Enjoy, fascinating

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EQanxyZDsw
http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20070115_are_americans_ignorant/
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/142898/ignorant_americans/
http://www.aztlan.net/stupid_americans.htm
http://www.theprogressivemind.com/advoc593.html
http://newsbusters.org/node/1824
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/10/04/022312.php
http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2001/09/27/stupidity/index.html
http://slate.msn.com/id/2109218/

No one click on any of these links.

he is checking his thread right now.

he is thinking of what to say right now.

I assume you couldn't make this video anywhere else in the world but in the United States? I guess kids in sub-Saharan Africa know where New Zealand is?

Let's be honest, the entire WORLD is geographically ignorant. People just like to make fun of Americans because they are "on top", and it is politically correct to be a bigot towards the successful. Especially if it is in the name of anti-bigotry.

I don't need to see a video, having to deal with ignorant people is the story of my life.

I assume you couldn't make this video anywhere else in the world but in the United States? I guess kids in sub-Saharan Africa know where New Zealand is?

Let's be honest, the entire WORLD is geographically ignorant. People just like to make fun of Americans because they are "on top", and it is politically correct to be a bigot towards the successful. Especially if it is in the name of anti-bigotry.


I'm sorry, what was your IQ again?? You're comparing subsahara africans who have no access to education much less to food and shelter to people in the united states?

Oops, your whole reasoning is not only ignorant but stupid with a dose of typcial american hubris and imagined jealousy because americans are "on top."

i guess no other country have ignorant people, right?

i guess no other country have ignorant people, right?
the country of those other peoples isn't singlehandedly influencing the geo-political landsape of the entire world.
that's the difference, context

The reason why americans get this rap is justified.

They claim the world revolves around america.

America is always involved in foreign affairs.

Yet americans know shit about the world. That's stupid.

Americans live in a melting pot

Yet americans are ignorant or disprespectful of other cultures. That's stupid.

Americans enjoy a higher standard of living

Americans have access to healthcare and immunizations

Americans have access to the best libraries and a free educational system with hot lunches.

Their iq is just above south american countries. That's stupid

Therefore, with the resources available to americans, they are the most stupid people currently on the planet.

If americans had a good heart and just ignorant or naive then ironicly they wouldn't be as ignorant as they are. Because people like this remedy this every step of the way by educating themselves by honest inquiry. It's attitude and some americans are just the victim of a poor educational system or culture. People are different on camera and off. I bet some of those poor fools on the tapes are humble but ignorant because of environment and having to be influenced with those who obnoxiously and egotistically want to remain ignorant, smug, and rely on american hubris for their ego. And it ain't always the african american, though the majority are. I've noticed there are plenty of whites who adhere to the above( obnoxiously ignorant).

But it's quite another thing to be willfully ignorant, obnoxious and have an ego about it which is the bad seed most americans are from my experiences with them.

I wouldn't be such an assholes to them but it can't be helped when they are such assholes who deserve it.

Australia is f*cked :eek:

Why does the thread title feature redundance? :(

The reason why americans get this rap is justified.

Americans enjoy a higher standard of living

Americans have access to healthcare and immunizations

Americans have access to the best libraries and a free educational system with hot lunches.

Their iq is just above south american countries. That's stupid

Therefore, with the resources available to americans, they are the most stupid people currently on the planet.

And yet said Americans who are supposedly the “most stupid people currently on the planet” were not only able to rise up from a dependent colony to a world superpower in only around two hundred years but were also able to maintain this power to this day, the power that surpasses that of supposedly more “intelligent” people of the world. I fail to see the logic. All the resources that you mentioned were ironically formed from the Americans themselves, assumingly from the presence of intelligence.

I wouldn't be such an assholes to them but it can't be helped when they are such assholes who deserve it.

Yes, we are such assholes, awful, horrible assholes that give out $20 billion dollars in foreign aid per year.

Yes, we are such assholes, awful, horrible assholes that give out $20 billion dollars in foreign aid per year.


The US is the largest recipient of foreign aid.

on the U.S. government debt alone, Americans have been receiving a subsidy from non-Americans in the range of $20 billion to $40 billion yearly. This does not count all the feedback effects from the higher investment in productive activities by foreigners in America because of currency flight.
http://www.freedomworks.org/informed/issues_template.php?issue_id=2579

And 72% of US foreign aid is spent on US goods and services.
http://www.fpif.org/commentary/2005/0502deliver.html


And US aid has been harmful to the Third World
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa065.html

American foreign aid has often harmed the Third World poor. In Indonesia, the government confiscated subsistence farmers' meager plots for AID-financed irrigation canals. In Mali, farmers were forced to sell their crops at giveaway prices to a joint project of AID and the Mali government. In Egypt, Haiti, and elsewhere, farmers have seen the prices for their own crops nose-dive when U.S. free food has been given to their countries.


This says it all:
Foreign aid programs appear to be incorrigible. For 35 years, American foreign aid policymakers seem to have learned nothing and forgotten nothing. U.S. foreign aid projects routinely repeat the same mistakes today that were committed decades ago. One telltale ironic report title from the General Accounting Office says it all: "Experience--A Potential Tool for Improving U.S. Assistance Abroad."

Ignorance is bliss.

The reason why americans get this rap is justified.
really?

They claim the world revolves around america.
shows how ignorant you are.

America is always involved in foreign affairs.
does your country deal with other countries?

Yet americans know shit about the world. That's stupid.
duh, uh, Hmmm, de world is flat, right????

Americans live in a melting pot
yes, practically every culture is here. of their own free will.

Yet americans are ignorant or disprespectful of other cultures. That's stupid.
if your culture has such a big paper asshole that you can't take a ribbing maybe you should convert to islam.

Americans enjoy a higher standard of living
uh oh, i smell a little jealousy coming on.

Americans have access to healthcare and immunizations
correct. every school kid gets his on a regular schedule.

Americans have access to the best libraries and a free educational system with hot lunches.
this is probably why our nation gets flooded with immigrants each year.
sciforums favorite america hater even interned here. hows that for a slap in the face?

Their iq is just above south american countries. That's stupid
what's the IQ of south america?

Therefore, with the resources available to americans, they are the most stupid people currently on the planet.
go live in india then.

Whatever. There are ignorant people everywhere.
I suggest everyone spends less time contemplating ignorant people, and devoting more time on improving themselves.

Whatever. There are ignorant people everywhere.
I suggest everyone spends less time contemplating ignorant people, and devoting more time on improving themselves.

That would be easier if other people's ignorance did not make life impossible for their victims.

Nothing worthwhile is easy.

Nothing worthwhile is easy.

I concur. And everything worthwhile is worth fighting for.:)

And yet said Americans who are supposedly the “most stupid people currently on the planet” were not only able to rise up from a dependent colony to a world superpower in only around two hundred years but were also able to maintain this power to this day, the power that surpasses that of supposedly more “intelligent” people of the world. I fail to see the logic. All the resources that you mentioned were ironically formed from the Americans themselves, assumingly from the presence of intelligence.



Yes, we are such assholes, awful, horrible assholes that give out $20 billion dollars in foreign aid per year.

This is the type of stupidity that fascinates me. The shallow reasoning. If you are an american and a world leader why is it we can see your ass and what its made of and you can't? It's only been two hundred years and you are already starting to falter. two hundred years is not even a friggin blip and americans are so sure of their future. Also, I've lived in america most of my life and could have easily adopted the typical american hubris but I never did because it's shallow. I never really understood it except it does have a quite degenerate, malignant and tainted quality or aspect.

Americans regurgitate the same rhetoric over and over again and don't think. You pretend that others are not as smart as you but then you also deceptively want credit for being special or more intelligent when you are not, and aren't happy without constant asskissing and confirmation. It's this pathetic level of stupid hypocrisy that proves americans are just lucky lowlifes who struck it well in the right recipe, a phenomenon. They think in shallow patterns because they represent what they care about. They brag about "power" but just in 200 years quality of life is declined due to your trash culture among other things but it is comfortable for americans. In other words, people see america as a place to make money, not to love. I've only seen diehard americans really love america.

Americans don't behave like a leader, they behave and think and act like a severe underdog with a annal-retentive ego that finally got a chance to strut its weight around others to prove "see" we are better, look what we have done, kiss our ass, worship us. I've seen this behavior almost uniformly unique among all that call themselves americans all throughout my life. A country that bizarrely claims to be a melting pot yet so privately disdainful of outside cultures and ideologies while holding up the 'american' ideology amongst its immigrants. It's hard to respect.

Also another bizarre thing is americans are strangely offended when you actually 'dislike' thier culture or them as if it is "unacceptable." They are desperate to makes sure everyone is convinced they are better. If americans don't like china or chinese I don't care. I might retort my own view but I wouldn't go so far as to try to change their minds. Americans will do this. They are paranoid and believe everyone else's mind and opinions belong to america when american ideals, picture etc are questioned or painted less than flattering. Talk about american fascists.

Weird rabid fukers

Americans regurgitate the same rhetoric over and over again and don't think.
and you don't call the constant america bashing on this forum "the same rhetoric"? ? :confused:

Those videos are astounding when you consider that these foreign countries are flashed on TV every day in the US.

Most americans cant even seem to absorb the news...nevermind whatever they were supposed to learn in school.

I'm sorry, what was your IQ again?? You're comparing subsahara africans who have no access to education much less to food and shelter to people in the united states?

Oops, your whole reasoning is not only ignorant but stupid with a dose of typcial american hubris and imagined jealousy because americans are "on top."

My reasoning is ignorant AND stupid? What is up with you and the redundancy? Do you think saying something incorrect or rude *twice* somehow makes it better?

What meddling has the United States government done that you disagree with? Was our involvement in WWI and WWII disgusting to you? What about our model of democracy and capitalism? Have we contributed nothing to the world? None of our medical advances, the Internet, the integrated chip, flight, the automobile?

What I don't see from Americans is the kind of hatred that you seem to adore. What makes the rest of the world so wonderful when they say such rude things about other humans, and feel superior by being able to do so? I find your conduct here disgusting and shameful, and not the sort of example that Americans should emulate.

I have been all over the world, and I have yet to see a society as forgiving and caring as the one I live in now. I have seen racism in Italy, Britain, Haiti, the Bahamas and France that shame anything I have seen in the American South. No other country even attempts to integrate themselves the way that we do. Do we have problems? Sure, but who doesn't?

If all of your hate is based on our current efforts in the Middle East, then I think you are misguided and evil. The Middle East has been in dire need of meddling for a very long time. Nobody was ever going to do anything to help the people there, and no matter what reasons we got involved for, it is fortuitous for us to have our foot in the door. I hope we stay in the ME for generations to come. I hope we can witness the secularization of that region (and my own) and watch democracy and capitalism bring peace and stability to the poor people there. I hope we can get into Africa and do the same thing.

The United States has been a leader in improving the world. They are not trying to race ahead of others, but hoping to forge a path for everyone else to follow. If you can't be in awe of the amount of charity that pours out of this country, then you are a blind hater. A person who has let the negative popularism of trying to destroy greatness blind himself to reality.

I feel pity for you.

The United States has been a leader in improving the world. They are not trying to race ahead of others, but hoping to forge a path for everyone else to follow. If you can't be in awe of the amount of charity that pours out of this country, then you are a blind hater.
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What incredible hubris and blindness (http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html).:rolleyes:


Some common themes can be seen in many of these U.S. military interventions.

First, they were explained to the U.S. public as defending the lives and rights of civilian populations. Yet the military tactics employed often left behind massive civilian "collateral damage." War planners made little distinction between rebels and the civilians who lived in rebel zones of control, or between military assets and civilian infrastructure, such as train lines, water plants, agricultural factories, medicine supplies, etc. The U.S. public always believe that in the next war, new military technologies will avoid civilian casualties on the other side. Yet when the inevitable civilian deaths occur, they are always explained away as "accidental" or "unavoidable."

Second, although nearly all the post-World War II interventions were carried out in the name of "freedom" and "democracy," nearly all of them in fact defended dictatorships controlled by pro-U.S. elites. Whether in Vietnam, Central America, or the Persian Gulf, the U.S. was not defending "freedom" but an ideological agenda (such as defending capitalism) or an economic agenda (such as protecting oil company investments). In the few cases when U.S. military forces toppled a dictatorship--such as in Grenada or Panama--they did so in a way that prevented the country's people from overthrowing their own dictator first, and installing a new democratic government more to their liking.

Third, the U.S. always attacked violence by its opponents as "terrorism," "atrocities against civilians," or "ethnic cleansing," but minimized or defended the same actions by the U.S. or its allies. If a country has the right to "end" a state that trains or harbors terrorists, would Cuba or Nicaragua have had the right to launch defensive bombing raids on U.S. targets to take out exile terrorists? Washington's double standard maintains that an U.S. ally's action by definition "defensive," but that an enemy's retaliation is by definition "offensive."

Fourth, the U.S. often portrays itself as a neutral peacekeeper, with nothing but the purest humanitarian motives. After deploying forces in a country, however, it quickly divides the country or region into "friends" and "foes," and takes one side against another. This strategy tends to enflame rather than dampen a war or civil conflict, as shown in the cases of Somalia and Bosnia, and deepens resentment of the U.S. role.

Fifth, U.S. military intervention is often counterproductive even if one accepts U.S. goals and rationales. Rather than solving the root political or economic roots of the conflict, it tends to polarize factions and further destabilize the country. The same countries tend to reappear again and again on the list of 20th century interventions.

Sixth, U.S. demonization of an enemy leader, or military action against him, tends to strengthen rather than weaken his hold on power. Take the list of current regimes most singled out for U.S. attack, and put it alongside of the list of regimes that have had the longest hold on power, and you will find they have the same names. Qaddafi, Castro, Saddam, Kim, and others may have faced greater internal criticism if they could not portray themselves as Davids standing up to the American Goliath, and (accurately) blaming many of their countries' internal problems on U.S. economic sanctions.

explain japan then sam.

where 300,000 civilians were killed to flex muscles?

shikata ga nai.

What incredible hubris and blindness (http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html).:rolleyes:

Which of these were good causes, and which were bad causes?

Which of these were good causes, and which were bad causes?

Depends on who you ask. For the people subjected to the dictators/death squads/torture/bombs they were all bad causes; for the Americans filling their pockets, it was an investment in their future.

Emulate?? Excuse me?? Americans emulate?? Americans are innocent angels?? Oh....my...fuking...gosh.....you should be slapped for making such a clear lie. Americans lie about their own behavior and when someone like calls them on it, they turn around and feign innocence!!!!

The only reason i'm anti-american is the very reason most are. Because americans collectively are hateful, say rude things about other humans and feel superior for doing so. I wouldn't be so hostile without reason built over many times. You can't run into a speedbump over and over again without noticing it.

You should be ashamed and disgusted by the behavior of your own people---,you lying, self-deceptive american jerk!

See, americans keep confirming my reasons to hate them. I'm getting heated right now because its a typical reply from americans.

They would prefer i not call them on their nasty goodybag they keep hidden on their backburner as they passive-aggressively and sometimes openly take jabs, disrespect, and mock others. They are so out-of-bounds egotistical that they actually beleive you should agree with them and so it is not "real" disrespect. But when this is turned around they wave their finger in your face, "shame on you."

bitch, in every american school system i saw nasty prejudice to eachother and, asians especially had to huddle together as they were treated with disdain, racial slurs and made fun of for kicks.

Once a chinese girl who barely just came from china and spoke no english came to our school. The girls immediately welcomed here by getting her to repeat nasty words for their pleasure. They made her repeat shameful and pathetic words such as "i'll eat the peanuts out of your shit", emphasizing "shit" over and over again getting her to repeat it. The teachers were well aware of this and they didn't care. She was sweet but she was so maltreated she actually hugged the wall as she walked the hallways because she was afraid. This is just one of many----shameful---embarassing----disgusting---aspects and deeds your fellow americans have done, you stupid bitch!! I honestly can't go out a whole day in america without running into, witnessing, or being the target of uncouth behavior, prejudice, mockery or just plain bad service. You americans are not fuking innocent!

You can't lie to me you stupid fuk, i've---lived---here all my life and even when i was nice or fair to other people, they saw fit to step on me.

The stereotype is confirmed. You are a stupid american.

Mod note: Cool your jets and do not type in all capital letters.

where 300 million civilians were killed to flex muscles?

shikata ga nai.

Don't know much about the second World War, do you? The Japanese were more barbaric than any other country involved. The horrid deaths of Japanese civilians were due to their own hubris and arrogance which prevented surrender even in desperate circumstances. Blame the emperor and the samurai code for the deaths of so many Japanese, not the United States.

We were attacked first. Hard for you to swallow, but in the second Wold War, we were the good guys, and Japan, Germany and Italy were the bad guys. Objectively.

Amazing how you evil people have more hate and vitriol for the American Government, and NONE for Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Hussein, Che, etc... You guys are on the wrong side of history every single time, and still pretend to occupy the moral high ground. It staggers the mind.

Don't know much about the second World War, do you? The Japanese were more barbaric than any other country involved. The horrid deaths of Japanese civilians were due to their own hubris and arrogance which prevented surrender even in desperate circumstances. Blame the emperor and the samurai code for the deaths of so many Japanese, not the United States.

We were attacked first. Hard for you to swallow, but in the second Wold War, we were the good guys, and Japan, Germany and Italy were the bad guys. Objectively.

Amazing how you evil people have more hate and vitriol for the American Government, and NONE for Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Hussein, Che, etc... You guys are on the wrong side of history every single time, and still pretend to occupy the moral high ground. It staggers the mind.

Is that like the Americans are now? All evil because their government seeks to liberate through death squads, torture and bombings?:rolleyes:

Would a couple of atomic bombs killing 300,000 American civilians remove the evil from the government?:rolleyes:

Do you see how silly your generalisation/justification is?

EMULATE?? EXCUSE ME?? AMERICANS EMULATE?? AMERICANS ARE INNOCENT ANGELS?? Oh....my...fuking...gosh.....YOU SHOULD BE SLAPPED FOR MAKING SUCH A CLEAR LIE. AMERICANS LIE ABOUT THEIR OWN BEHAVIOR AND WHEN SOMEONE LIKE CALLS THEM ON IT, THEY TURN AROUND AND FEIGN INNOCENCE!!!!

THE ONLY REASON I'M ANTI-AMERICAN IS THE VERY REASON MOST ARE. BECAUSE AMERICANS COLLECTIVELY ARE HATEFUL, SAY RUDE THINGS ABOUT OTHER HUMANS AND FEEL SUPERIOR FOR DOING SO. I WOULDN'T BE SO HOSTILE WITHOUT REASON BUILT OVER MANY TIMES. YOU CAN'T RUN INTO A SPEEDBUMP OVER AND OVER AGAIN WITHOUT NOTICING IT.

YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED AND DISGUSTED BY THE BEHAVIOR OF YOUR OWN PEOPLE---,YOU LYING, SELF-DECEPTIVE AMERICAN JERK!

SEE, AMERICANS KEEP CONFIRMING MY REASONS TO HATE THEM. I'M GETTING HEATED RIGHT NOW BECAUSE ITS A TYPICAL REPLY FROM AMERICANS.

THEY WOULD PREFER I NOT CALL THEM ON THEIR NASTY GOODYBAG THEY KEEP HIDDEN ON THEIR BACKBURNER AS THEY PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVELY AND SOMETIMES OPENLY TAKE JABS, DISRESPECT, AND MOCK OTHERS. THEY ARE SO OUT-OF-BOUNDS EGOTISTICAL THAT THEY ACTUALLY BELEIVE YOU SHOULD AGREE WITH THEM AND SO IT IS NOT "REAL" DISRESPECT. BUT WHEN THIS IS TURNED AROUND THEY WAVE THEIR FINGER IN YOUR FACE, "SHAME ON YOU."

BITCH, IN EVERY AMERICAN SCHOOL SYSTEM I SAW NASTY PREJUDICE TO EACHOTHER AND, ASIANS ESPECIALLY HAD TO HUDDLE TOGETHER AS THEY WERE TREATED WITH DISDAIN, RACIAL SLURS AND MADE FUN OF FOR KICKS.

ONCE A CHINESE GIRL WHO BARELY JUST CAME FROM CHINA AND SPOKE NO ENGLISH CAME TO OUR SCHOOL. THE GIRLS IMMEDIATELY WELCOMED HERE BY GETTING HER TO REPEAT NASTY WORDS FOR THEIR PLEASURE. THEY MADE HER REPEAT SHAMEFUL AND PATHETIC WORDS SUCH AS "i'll EAT THE PEANUTS OUT OF YOUR SHIT", EMPHASIZING "SHIT" OVER AND OVER AGAIN GETTING HER TO REPEAT IT. THE TEACHERS WERE WELL AWARE OF THIS AND THEY DIDN'T CARE. SHE WAS SWEET BUT SHE WAS SO MALTREATED SHE ACTUALLY HUGGED THE WALL AS SHE WALKED THE HALLWAYS BECAUSE SHE WAS AFRAID. THIS IS JUST ONE OF MANY----SHAMEFUL---EMBARASSING----DISGUSTING---ASPECTS AND DEEDS YOUR FELLOW AMERICANS HAVE DONE, YOU STUPID BITCH!! YOU AMERICANS ARE NOT FUKING INNOCENT!

YOU CAN'T LIE TO ME YOU STUPID FUK, I'VE---LIVED---HERE ALL MY LIFE AND EVEN WHEN I WAS NICE OR FAIR TO OTHER PEOPLE, THEY SAW FIT TO STEP ON ME.

THE STEREOTYPE IS CONFIRMED. YOU ARE A STUPID AMERICAN.

You need to work on your anger and hate. Why can't you have a discussion on an internet forum without resorting to such verbal violence? Do you hate everyone who disagrees with you? Is this what I, an ignorant person, should attempt to live up to?

You are not an example for anything but negativism. Again, shame on you.

where 300,000 civilians were killed to flex muscles?

shikata ga nai.
that's what i thought, you can't.

that's what i thought, you can't.

I think you should ask a Japanese about that, if you can get them to open up.

Pretend you're not American. Or if you can, just reverse the positions and tell me what that feels like.

Is that like the Americans are now? All evil because their government seeks to liberate through death squads, torture and bombings?:rolleyes:

So... it is Americans who operate with death squads, torture, and bombings? You must be joking.

What is our torture? Loud music? Or are you referring to the unsanctioned abuse suffered by Iraqis, abuse which is not legal in the United States armed forces, and which is punished? Because our enemy condones the beheading of civilians. And yet, you are ROOTING for THEM? Surely you can't be this evil. Surely it is just peer pressure from your friends, bashing the United States out of jealousy.

Individuals in the United States perform atrocities. But we still see them as atrocities, and attempt to bring these people to justice. The countries you ignore systemize these atrocities and weave them into the normal fabric of their operation.

I think you are starting with your hatred, and looking for examples which support this anger. If you do this, then you may surely feel justified for your evil stance. But it won't make you right, or less evil.

Shame on you, as well.

Don't know much about the second World War, do you? The Japanese were more barbaric than any other country involved. The horrid deaths of Japanese civilians were due to their own hubris and arrogance which prevented surrender even in desperate circumstances. Blame the emperor and the samurai code for the deaths of so many Japanese, not the United States.

We were attacked first. Hard for you to swallow, but in the second Wold War, we were the good guys, and Japan, Germany and Italy were the bad guys. Objectively.

Amazing how you evil people have more hate and vitriol for the American Government, and NONE for Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Hussein, Che, etc... You guys are on the wrong side of history every single time, and still pretend to occupy the moral high ground. It staggers the mind.

Americans are not inherently any better than anyone else including the japanese. Because dumbass, its' personal experience with a culture or people that ends up forming opinions.

I've been surprised from day one in america. I used to ask myself why the animosity, the bad attitude, the prejudice in a country that has so much? Why have they let me in when the majority of its citizens hate or disrespect me?

REALITY CHECK!!! DUMBASS, AMERICANS ARE HUMAN BEINGS WHO ARE MORALLY CORRUPTIBLE. THEY ARE NOT AN IDEOLOGY. ANYMORE THAN A SOLDIER GOES TO FIGHT IN IRAQ FOR VIRTUOUS REASONS, MAYBE HE NEEDS A PAYCHECK, IS BLOOD THIRSTY. STUPID SIMPLE FUK, CAN'T THINK CAN YOU SWIVEL? SO FUK AMERICANS.

So... it is Americans who operate with death squads, torture, and bombings? You must be joking.

What is our torture? Loud music? Or are you referring to the unsanctioned abuse suffered by Iraqis, abuse which is not legal in the United States armed forces, and which is punished? Because our enemy condones the beheading of civilians. And yet, you are ROOTING for THEM? Surely you can't be this evil. Surely it is just peer pressure from your friends, bashing the United States out of jealousy.

Individuals in the United States perform atrocities. But we still see them as atrocities, and attempt to bring these people to justice. The countries you ignore systemize these atrocities and weave them into the normal fabric of their operation.

I think you are starting with your hatred, and looking for examples which support this anger. If you do this, then you may surely feel justified for your evil stance. But it won't make you right, or less evil.

Shame on you, as well.

I think you prefer to blind yourself to the reality of US policy worldwide; I don't blame you for that, for it is a shameful history of oppression. I notice you also demonise other people and pretend to uphold democracy as a justification for it. A country run by dictators does not have a normal social fabric.

Do you see how silly your generalisation/justification is?
yes indeed. here you are an idian coming from a country that has some of the most corrupt governments on the planet, where the civilians are scared to death of the local police, where you can get more from selling your child than you can a horse. yes indeedy sam you have some balls ragging on the US.

yes indeed. here you are an idian coming from a country that has some of the most corrupt governments on the planet, where the civilians are scared to death of the local police, where you can get more from selling your child than you can a horse. yes indeedy sam you have some balls ragging on the US.

We're not in the business of liberating people and spreading democracy through bombings (and lack of body counts).

So... it is Americans who operate with death squads, torture, and bombings? You must be joking.

What is our torture? Loud music? Or are you referring to the unsanctioned abuse suffered by Iraqis, abuse which is not legal in the United States armed forces, and which is punished? Because our enemy condones the beheading of civilians. And yet, you are ROOTING for THEM? Surely you can't be this evil. Surely it is just peer pressure from your friends, bashing the United States out of jealousy.

Individuals in the United States perform atrocities. But we still see them as atrocities, and attempt to bring these people to justice. The countries you ignore systemize these atrocities and weave them into the normal fabric of their operation.

I think you are starting with your hatred, and looking for examples which support this anger. If you do this, then you may surely feel justified for your evil stance. But it won't make you right, or less evil.

Shame on you, as well.

You are a pathetically shallow american. Whatever angelic spin you twist on americans, you are being disingenous because you are trying to say that americans are the only ones who have morals which they don't. You are also implying those in other countries represent the government and its regime, as in all japanese are barbaric etc. But ironicly the japanese are actually better citizens than americans.

The fact is americans are just as or more barbaric but it was kept under control through leadership and policy.

You see, I've lived around americans and they are not 'angels' or innocents.

I think you should ask a Japanese about that, if you can get them to open up.

Pretend you're not American. Or if you can, just reverse the positions and tell me what that feels like.
still can't explain japan , Hmm?

yes, it's explainable and you know it is but you just can't give the credit can you?

still can't explain japan , Hmm?

yes, it's explainable and you know it is but you just can't give the credit can you?

I guess its not possible for you to put yourself in their place at all.

Pretend 9/11 was Hiroshima and the Sauds are financing your dollar.

Pretend your family and friends were in the WTC.

I guess its not possible for you to put yourself in their place at all.
i guess it's not possible for you to give credit when it's due.

I think you should ask a Japanese about that, if you can get them to open up.
Ask them about what?
Nan King?
Battaan?
Kamikaze?
How about we ask them about revisionist history?

These "Merican's're'stupid" threads are stupid and boring.
Very stylish though.

i guess it's not possible for you to give credit when it's due.

If a man killed all my family violently and gave me money in exchange, I should be grateful to him?:rolleyes:

Ask them about what?
Nan King?
Battaan?
Kamikaze?
How about we ask them about revisionist history?

These "Merican's're'stupid" threads are stupid and boring.
Very stylish though.

Would a terrorist attack be justified on the US if it was committed by Iraqis/Lebanese?

Would they(the Americans) feel it was due to them?

If a man killed all my family violently and gave me money in exchange, I should be grateful to him?:rolleyes:
twist it man, twist it.

Would they feel it was due to them?

I don't give a shit about their feelings.
Do feelings have something to do with the location of Zimbabwe on a map?

twist it man, twist it.

It makes perfect sense why Bush would smooch the Sauds even though most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis.

Money is everything to Americans.

It makes perfect sense why Bush would smooch the Sauds even though most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis.

Money is everything to Americans.
still doesn't explain japan.

I don't give a shit about their feelings.
Do feelings have something to do with the location of Zimbabwe on a map?

Thats not an answer. If the bombings are justified by the behaviour of the Japanese regime, does the behaviour of the American regime justify 9/11?

Thats not an answer.
HAHAHAHA. you play the same shit sam.

still doesn't explain japan.

No it does not. Killing all those people was evil and unnecessary, the second bomb more than the first.

No it does not. Killing all those people was evil and unnecessary, the second bomb more than the first.
twist it man, twist it.

still doesn't explain japan.

twist it man, twist it.

still doesn't explain japan.

You're flaunting your ignorance.

shikata ga nai.:)

If the bombings are justified by the behaviour of the Japanese regime, does the behaviour of the American regime justify 9/11?

Because we slaughtered millions of Saudis? Because we did medical experiments on them? Because we vivesected them? Because we performed bayonet practice by throwing their babies up in the air and catching them with our bayonets?
(The reason was actually because we dared to set up a military base on their holy ground, isn't it?)

You need to stop jumping all over the place, Sam.
You're going to knock your head on the wall or something.

And, the bombings weren't necessarily justified by the behavior of the Japanese regime, it was war.
You kill people when you are at war with them.
This is how the world operates.
You knew this, didn't you?
Hell, How many people has India killed in Kashmir?

Anyway, Nagasaki and Hiroshima were manufacturing centers producing armaments for the war. They got bombed. Wow. What a surprise.

You're flaunting your ignorance.

shikata ga nai.:)
your flaunting your one track "bash america" mind sam.

nice slap in the face though, come over here to study then talk about us the way you do.
typical muslim.

Sam is stylish.
Watch as she does her little turn on the catwalk.

Anyway, Nagasaki and Hiroshima were manufacturing centers producing armaments for the war. They got bombed. Wow. What a surprise.

So does American behaviour in the Middle East justify 9/11?:)

Sam is stylish.
Watch as she does her little turn on the catwalk.
she's good at it too.

Anyway, Nagasaki and Hiroshima were manufacturing centers producing armaments for the war. They got bombed. Wow. What a surprise.
So does American behaviour in the Middle East justify 9/11?

This is called a non sequitur.

Meh.
I'm tired of pussyfooting around your non sequiturs, frankly.

The keyword was war.
Declare war on the US and you can do whatever the fuck you want to them.

This is called a non sequitur.

Explain.:p

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were strategic targets in a war.

9/11 was a vindictive attack because Osama didn't like that Americans dared to build a military base in Holy Saudi Arabia.

the country of those other peoples isn't singlehandedly influencing the geo-political landsape of the entire world.
that's the difference, context

That's a pretty retarded reason for Americans to learn geography. You want us to be responsible for you? Yeah, fuck that. I'm going to go drink homebrew until I can't remember the capital of India.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were strategic targets in a war.

9/11 was a vindictive attack because Osama didn't like that Americans dared to build a military base in Holy Saudi Arabia.

What evidence do you have about the latter?

What evidence do you have about the latter?

Videotapes of a 7-foot-man in a turban saying that 9/11 was perpetrated because of bases in Saudi Arabia?

a so, a so. oops, wrong person, sorry.

Not sure.
I think that it came from one of the planners...
Could be wrong, actually.

And, of course, there is more involved than that. People not liking America's meddling ways and blah blah. And hey, who can blame them?

But, that's all sorta besides the point when it comes to "Mericans're'stupid' threads.
This is about Geography, not Politics.
Or is it???

Videotapes of a 7-foot-man in a turban saying that 9/11 was perpetrated because of bases in Saudi Arabia?

And the evidence that he is telling the truth is?

But, that's all sorta besides the point when it comes to "Mericans're'stupid' threads.
This is about Geography, not Politics.
Or is it???

I think Americans are more oblivious than stupid. They are more concerned with the fate of Anna Nicole Smith than people dying in Iraq. :shrug:

And the evidence that he is telling the truth is?

Where's your proof that America bombed Japan!?!?!?

I think Americans are more oblivious than stupid. They are more concerned with the fate of Anna Nicole Smith than people dying in Iraq. :shrug:
and you are more obsessed with propaganda than the truth sam.

Where's your proof that America bombed Japan!?!?!?

Are you saying that they did not? I'm curious as to why people would believe a terrorist, after all many groups are known to take responsibility to build an image. How do you know he is telling the truth?

I think Americans are more oblivious than stupid. They are more concerned with the fate of Anna Nicole Smith than people dying in Iraq. :shrug:

So?

Where's your proof that America bombed Japan!?!?!?

If sam says it, it is true. If the source disagrees with his preconceived notions, it is unsubstantiated.

The mind of a fanatic, writ large.

Are you saying that they did not?

I'm just saying you can't prove anything, either way Sam. Until I see some reliable evidence, you can't convince any of us that America really bombed Japan.

Are you saying that they did not?
when are you going to explain the changes in japan after WW2?

I'm just saying you can't prove anything, either way Sam. Until I see some reliable evidence, you can't convince any of us that America really bombed Japan.

You could look at the documents (http://www.dannen.com/decision/) in the National Archives.

I have been looking into this and I cannot find any documentation backing OBL's claim. I am really curious why everyone believes him.

They are more concerned with the fate of Anna Nicole Smith than people dying in Iraq.

I don't think it's safe to conclude that Americans were really interested in Anna Nicole Smith simply because of the media frenzy over her death. I think most Americans really didn't give a shit and actually liked how the media was making fools of themselves by going on this 24/7 Anna Nicole Smith coverage.

I guess your flaw here is that you equate "American" with "NBC".
But, I think I can somewhat forgive your spoonfed vision of Americans. After all, despite the fact that you have actually lived her, you are rather ignorant about Americans. You only know what you're fed, and you're fed through media. Therefore, you have made faulty correlations.

Now.
Can you do the same disconnect when it comes to American ignorance?
Hmm.


Anyway.
I think Americans are interested in people dying in Iraq.
Mostly interested in Americans dying in Iraq though.
They don't like it.
They want out.

You knew this, didn't you?
Are you pretending ignorance or really experiencing it?

If sam says it, it is true. If the source disagrees with his preconceived notions, it is unsubstantiated.

The mind of a fanatic, writ large.

I'm a woman dammit, you can't be that ignorant!:D

You could look at the documents in the National Archives.

How do you know they're not forgeries or propaganda?

SamCDKey:

Please, stop spreading lies that you know are such.

You know full well that the majority of civilian deaths in Iraq are caused by savage Iraqi terrorists which have waged a war of civilian terror which daily kills hundreds of Iraqis. Indeed, you know this because you have admitted this is the case in Iraq.

The United States has spent billions of dollars more than it has to to make precision bombs to minimize the collateral damage from air strikes. It also practices restraint in military action, even in the face of a war which necessitates brutality but we are too "good" to do so.

Anyway.
I think Americans are interested in people dying in Iraq.
Mostly interested in Americans dying in Iraq though.
They don't like it.
They want out.

You knew this, didn't you?
Are you pretending ignorance or really experiencing it?

Now apply that to the Japanese civilians bombed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

SamCDKey:

Please, stop spreading lies that you know are such.

You know full well that the majority of civilian deaths in Iraq are caused by savage Iraqi terrorists which have waged a war of civilian terror which daily kills hundreds of Iraqis. Indeed, you know this because you have admitted this is the case in Iraq.

The United States has spent billions of dollars more than it has to to make precision bombs to minimize the collateral damage from air strikes. It also practices restraint in military action, even in the face of a war which necessitates brutality but we are too "good" to do so.

All very interesting, except the US invaded Iraq.

when are you going to explain the changes in japan after WW2?
Well?

Now apply that to the Japanese civilians bombed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Did you know that Japanese honor demands no surrender? Fight to the death?

Do you know how many Japanese surrendered when we took Tarawa?

You're surely not ignorant of Japanese Bushido Honor, are you?


Side note: Do you know how few Japanese were killed by the two nuclear bombings in comparison to the typical amount of civilian casualties in typical strategic bombings?
Also compare this with the number of deaths that would have occurred, on both sides, if the war had moved to a US invasion of Japan.

Side note #2: What is your point, exactly?

Did you know that Japanese honor demands no surrender? Fight to the death?

Do you know how many Japanese surrendered when we took Tarawa?

You're surely not ignorant of Japanese Bushido Honor, are you?

Did you know Americans are incredibly ignorant?:p

Did you know there is still a Japan?

Did you know the Middle East is full of warring tribes?

That the Russians are immoral communists?

SamCDKey:

We invaded Iraq to save the world from a brutal despot that routinely tortured, raped, and mass-murdered his own people, including employing gas to kill 50,000 Kurds in a fog of nerve toxin.

The United States invaded Iraq and the Iraqis have been worse than wild dogs fighting over a rotting carcass.

Do you know how many Japanese surrendered when we took Tarawa?

less that 1 percent, most of those were koreans, not japanese.

Did you know there is still a Japan?

There wouldn't be if we hadn't nuked them.
Take that to the bank.

There wouldn't be if we hadn't nuked them.
Take that to the bank.

Its a good example for countries full of hubris, then?:p

The best way to civilise them is to bomb their hubris out of them?

Did you know Americans are incredibly ignorant?:p

Did you know there is still a Japan?
did you know that samcdkey is so rabidly anti american that she can't even acknowledge americas role in the changes of japan after WW2?

You could look at the documents (http://www.dannen.com/decision/) in the National Archives.

I have been looking into this and I cannot find any documentation backing OBL's claim. I am really curious why everyone believes him.

They're fabrications. The whole thing was cooked up by the Truman administration to convince the USSR that the Manhattan project actually worked. The bomb wasn't perfected until after the Korean war. That's why Truman removed MacArthur- all that talk of a bomb they didn't have. America couldn't afford to lose that much face, after the staged bombings in Japan.

Sam, Sam, Sam.
You are the non sequitur queen.

Very stylish though.

SamCDKey:

You do realize that the United States could litterally kill every man, woman, and child in Iraq without even exertion, yes?

Considering we are not doing so, despite the fact that Iraqis are slaughtering hundreds of thousands of their own people, is testament to the moral superiority of the United States in the face of truly evil people.

fuck your god sam, right in the ass.

They're fabrications. The whole thing was cooked up by the Truman administration to convince the USSR that the Manhattan project actually worked. The bomb wasn't perfected until after the Korean war. That's why Truman removed MacArthur- all that talk of a bomb they didn't have. America couldn't afford to lose that much face, after the staged bombings in Japan.

I'm pretty certain that this is what history will say later, at least in the US.:D

SamCDKey:

You do realize that the United States could litterally kill every man, woman, and child in Iraq without even exertion, yes?

Considering we are not doing so, despite the fact that Iraqis are slaughtering hundreds of thousands of their own people, is testament to the moral superiority of the United States in the face of truly evil people.

You sound very Japanese right there.

SamCDKey:

We're actually proud we nuked Japan. They were aggressors and got what was coming to them. We saved, also, perhaps millions of Japanese more from a lengthy invasion that would have necessitated carpet bombing likely down to the town and village level.

The United States has spent billions of dollars more than it has to to make precision bombs to minimize the collateral damage from air strikes. It also practices restraint in military action, even in the face of a war which necessitates brutality but we are too "good" to do so.

Precisely. America is not neaarly brutal enough to pacify these people. If we were to escalate the levels of carnage to what these people are familiar with, perhaps they would take the US more seriously.

Considering we are not doing so, despite the fact that Iraqis are slaughtering hundreds of thousands of their own people, is testament to the moral superiority of the United States in the face of truly evil people.
not according to sam.

the common cold was invented by america to aid in world domination, didn't you know? :confused:

The best way to civilise them is to bomb their hubris out of them?

Not necessarily.
The Japanese will probably be a problem again, given time.
They're already erasing their wrong-doing in the war.
And, with the 'War on Terror' garbage, they're getting a shoe horn in to start cranking up their military.

Polite they may be, but it wouldn't take much for them to start spearing babies again.

I wonder what a Japanese invasion of Iraq would look like?

SamCDKey:

I actually sympathize with the Japanese. They were brave and worthy opponents. They fought with relative crap compared to America by the end of the war and remained stalwart until a mushroom cloud formed not once, but twice, over their home islands. They also have managed to be relatively peaceful for over 60 years and did not dissolve into barbarism following their defeat.

http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1342604&postcount=5

Roman, Leopold99:

It is chique to blame America for everything. The only bad thing: It is completely ignorant of the facts and history.

I wonder what a Japanese invasion of Iraq would look like?

Good question.


http://static.flickr.com/29/59470595_d5d216e557_o.jpg

I think you mean chic. :)

I wonder what a Japanese invasion of Iraq would look like?
OMG !
the japanese was brutal dutring WW2.

i would seriously fear japan if she was half the size of america.

Roman, Leopold99:

It is chique to blame America for everything. The only bad thing: It is completely ignorant of the facts and history.

It's easy, too.

Good question.


I'm sure Fox News will let you know.:p

Where do you get your news, sam?

Where do you get your news, sam?

Indian newspapers of course.

Roman, Leopold99:

It is chique to blame America for everything. The only bad thing: It is completely ignorant of the facts and history.
i think she likes doing it to increase her post count.

less than 10% of her posts are on something other than america bashing.

SamCDKey:

Thanks for the correction. Now would you care to correct your repeatedly debunked viewpoints? :)

Side note: Do you know how few Japanese were killed by the two nuclear bombings in comparison to the typical amount of civilian casualties in typical strategic bombings?
Also compare this with the number of deaths that would have occurred, on both sides, if the war had moved to a US invasion of Japan.

Side note #2: What is your point, exactly?

Side note one: that explains why death squads have been so popular with the CIA since the war.

Side note two: that killing innocent people is unjustified.

SamCDKey:

Pardon me? Death squads in Japan? When? The occupation has been remarkably peaceful for 60 years. There have only been a few instances of minor trouble in either side.

SamCDKey:

Thanks for the correction. Now would you care to correct your repeatedly debunked viewpoints? :)

The evidence sadly is not on your side.

Witness the release of the Iranian diplomat this week.

The US is the largest recipient of foreign aid.
.

Even the article admits that the U.S. receives few “official government aid dollars” from other countries. The U.S.’s relationship with China is more of a symbiotic relationship than any sort of one-sided aid program. Both countries benefit immediately from the business transactions. Even if, in some unforeseen circumstance, the U.S. started to require such aid, this still wouldn’t negate the amount of aid they’re giving. A beggar who gives money to another beggar doesn’t have his charity neutralized, certainly not to the status of an “asshole”.

This says it all:

American foreign aid has often harmed the Third World poor. In Indonesia, the government confiscated subsistence farmers' meager plots for AID-financed irrigation canals. In Mali, farmers were forced to sell their crops at giveaway prices to a joint project of AID and the Mali government. In Egypt, Haiti, and elsewhere, farmers have seen the prices for their own crops nose-dive when U.S. free food has been given to their countries.



And yet even with that said the U.S. still contributes among the most aid in the world to countries in which direct return value is minimal. Many of these said countries are controlled by corrupt governments for which we must compromise with in order to provide help at all. It's all or nothing. I suppose you'd rather us meddle in their politics to provide more fuel for your bigotry. Ironically, both of articles you posted actually go against your position in at least one instance.

This is the type of stupidity that fascinates me. The shallow reasoning. If you are an american and a world leader why is it we can see your ass and what its made of and you can't? It's only been two hundred years and you are already starting to falter. two hundred years is not even a friggin blip and americans are so sure of their future. Also, I've lived in america most of my life and could have easily adopted the typical american hubris but I never did because it's shallow. I never really understood it except it does have a quite degenerate, malignant and tainted quality or aspect.
That’s quite a bit of hate you’ve got there.

Americans regurgitate the same rhetoric over and over again and don't think.
You mean somewhat how you regurgitate the exact same anti-Americanism that’s been expressed several times in a less emotional and more organized manner?

You pretend that others are not as smart as you but then you also deceptively want credit for being special or more intelligent when you are not, and aren't happy without constant asskissing and confirmation.
Incorrect. You stated that an entire group of people were somehow less intelligent than yourself and I provided a counterargument that you’ve yet to reply to.

It's this pathetic level of stupid hypocrisy that proves americans are just lucky lowlifes who struck it well in the right recipe, a phenomenon. They think in shallow patterns because they represent what they care about. They brag about "power" but just in 200 years quality of life is declined due to your trash culture among other things but it is comfortable for americans.
While luck certainly played a great part of it, luck alone can’t account for such a case. We’d never be able to keep the power for as long as we have. Luck in what case exactly? It’s not as if the U.S. has an absurd amount of natural resources. As for the decline you mention, what exactly are you referring to? While the economy has its ups and downs, there’s no evidence of the financial plummet you seem to be pointing at. Sans the total of the European Union, we have the largest GDP in the world.

SamCDKey:

Considering Americans have done nothing to kill Iraqi civilians, I am afraid the evidence is not on your side.

It has been demonstrated, repeatedly, that the reason for the high civvie death count in Iraq is due to one thing and one thing only: The Iraqis themselves. It is NOT the Americans who blow up city streets filled to the brim with civilians. It is the Iraqis. Moreover, you would have a moral problem with us doing what is necessary to deal with said problem reasonably.

The evidence sadly is not on your side.

Witness the release of the Iranian diplomat this week.

Sam I suggest you give this a try:
http://nootropics.com/methylphenidate/methylphenidate-ritalin.jpg

I hear it helps you focus.

Even the article admits that the U.S. receives few “official government aid dollars” from other countries. The U.S.’s relationship with China is more of a symbiotic relationship than any sort of one-sided aid program. Both countries benefit immediately from the business transactions. Even if, in some unforeseen circumstance, the U.S. started to require such aid, this still wouldn’t negate the amount of aid they’re giving. A beggar who gives money to another beggar doesn’t have his charity neutralized, certainly not to the status of an “asshole”.



And yet even with that said the U.S. still contributes among the most aid in the world to countries in which direct return value is minimal. Many of these said countries are controlled by corrupt governments for which we must compromise with in order to provide help at all. It's all or nothing. Ironically, both of articles you posted actually go against your position in at least one instance.



It does not negate the fact that the US dollar value is due to foreign investment; hence the war in Iraq to protect US interests.

I think you'll find that the "direct" return is through the arms supplied to the dictators and stability of their regimes in return for exclusive access to multinational contracts and the destruction of local economy.

Sam I suggest you give this a try:
http://nootropics.com/methylphenidate/methylphenidate-ritalin.jpg

I hear it helps you focus.

Nothing wrong with my focus. Just interesting to see political games played out in the media.

SamCDKey:

If the war was in our interest, why are we spending litterally over a trillion dollars of money we apparently needn't have spent?

We haven't even gotten the oil we frankly deserve for liberating a people from Hussein.

It does not negate the fact that the US dollar value is due to foreign investment; hence the war in Iraq to protect US interests.

I think you'll find that the "direct" return is through the arms supplied to the dictators and stability of their regimes in return for exclusive access to multinational contracts and the destruction of local economy.


Since when did foreign investment count as foreign aid?

SamCDKey:

Considering Americans have done nothing to kill Iraqi civilians, I am afraid the evidence is not on your side.



Except for the minor detail of invasion and destruction of the local infrastructure and who knows, possible funding and arming of militants to create an unstable situation warranting 10-12 military installations and a LARGE embassy in Baghdad.i.e. sustained intervention.

Since when did foreign investment count as foreign aid?

Since it is modulated to keep the dollar afloat.

SamCDKey:

If the war was in our interest, why are we spending litterally over a trillion dollars of money we apparently needn't have spent?

We haven't even gotten the oil we frankly deserve for liberating a people from Hussein.

Its not just the oil that is important, its the currency it is sold in which the military installations will guarantee and the invasion corrected.

SamCDKey:

Invasion and destruction of a local infastructure supported by the world's formerly most outrageous despot behind Kim Jung'il.

Moreover, your rabid anti-Americanism is making you make over-blown and unsubstantiated conjectures when you seriously think we are provoking the war to continue so we get a "huge embassy in Baghdad" and are in the region for years and years. Our military installations in Iraq are all well and good -if it were peacetime-, but it is war which is sapping a lot of money and man power away from us. Clearly, it is not to our benefit that we remain in Iraq, but we do so out of humanitarian concerns. We actually care about what happens to Iraq in 20 years.

SamCDKey:

A few billion dollars doesn't make much difference in a multi-trillion dollar economy. Moreover, our currency was stronger -before- the war, precisely because our political prospects were better.

SamCDKey:

A few billion dollars doesn't make much difference in a multi-trillion dollar economy. Moreover, our currency was stronger -before- the war, precisely because our political prospects were better.

Sure but if petrodollar became petroeuro, which Saddam had started (to the benefit of Iraq and the euro), used toilet paper would have more value than the dollar.

We actually care about what happens to Iraq in 20 years.

Only because there is oil there.:)

And you want to make sure it will be sold in dollars not euros.

yes indeed. here you are an idian coming from a country that has some of the most corrupt governments on the planet, where the civilians are scared to death of the local police, where you can get more from selling your child than you can a horse. yes indeedy sam you have some balls ragging on the US.

We're not in the business of liberating people and spreading democracy through bombings (and lack of body counts).
here is the mentality of our beloved sam.

one quick reply and right back to bashing the US.

SamCDKey:

The dollar argument is spurious as our interests are not tied inexorably to the sale of oil in dollars. In fact, we get more from Chinese continuation of using the dollar, or Japanese usage of the dollar, or anything else besides oil. Moreover, we are pretty much the only country in the world which could switch to ethanol and export it in droves whilst sustaining one hundred percent of our own usage.

Saddam was also in flagrant violation of several UN sanctions and was a massive human rights abuser. We've given the Iraqis an incredible gift by freeing them after 30 years of despotism under the iron hand of Hussein.

Moreover, even if we did do the war for our economic interests, is there anything wrong with this? We'd have given an incredible gift to the Iraqis any which way our intentions were focused.

Side note one: that explains why death squads have been so popular with the CIA since the war.

Err.
No. They actually have nothing to do with each other.

Also.
Did you know that the CIA wasn't created until 1947?
Maybe you're thinking of the OSS?
Even so, your response is not related to the quote you 'answered'.
Non sequitur.

Side note two: that killing innocent people is unjustified.

Is there a thread on this somewhere?
Sounds like it would fit into the Ethics forum.

Moreover, even if we did do the war for our economic interests, is there anything wrong with this? We'd have given an incredible gift to the Iraqis any which way our intentions were focused.

I hope you feel the same way should any of them decide to return the gift.:rolleyes:

Err.
No. They actually have nothing to do with each other.

Also.
Did you know that the CIA wasn't created until 1947?
Maybe you're thinking of the OSS?
Even so, your response is not related to the quote you 'answered'.
Non sequitur.

I thought the quote was related to killing less people being better than killing more people? I assume death squads have a more limited impact on the body count.:shrug:

SamCDKey:

I for one am still thankful for French and Spanish aid in the American Revolution, despite the fact that we had to win the Battle of Sarratoga Springs before we received any of that, and the French explicitly helped us to screw over Great Britain whom they just had concluded the French-Indian War with.

I agree with iam.

I can't stand the majority Americans. Perhaps because every one I have met, their arrogance stuck into my skin. I even remember one of the Americans I met, who I thought was rather cool and 'placid', rattled off about how America was the world's police.

Added to which... they are a theocracy. They harp on about bringing rights to other countries, but can't even treat their atheist citizens properly. Before you go to clean up another country, I suggest you pick the shit off your own doorstep first. I'm sick of America's preaching, its hypocricy, and its meddling. Why can't it fuck off and leave everyone alone?

There are some here who try to separate the actions of the American administration, and the American people. "Oh yes, the American admin sucks, but you can't extrapolate that to the American people!"

Umm, yes I can. A people gets the government it deserves. The American people doesn't don't care enough to clean up their own shit.

Mountainhare:

Um, excuse me? We don't treat our Atheist population properly? Since when? No Atheist is abused in American per a policy of the government. In fact, we are one of the few nations in the world which has an explicit mentioning of freedom of religion (or lack thereof) in our constititution. We are, in fact, the anti-theocracy and have been for 250 years. Really, we're the -inventors- of the notion.

Moreover, America -is- the world police. We spent billions on aid, are asked repeatedly by the United Nations to participate in any armed action everywhere in the world they want us to, we make sure to involve ourselves in areas of need...Hell, the Europeans begged us to join in Kosovo, even.

HAHAHAH:

"How many kidneys does a human have"
"Errrm, one?"

"How many Eiffel Towers are there in Paris?"
"Errrm, eight?"

AHAHAHAH.

DUMBASSES.

HAHAHAH:

"How many kidneys does a human have"
"Errrm, one?"

"How many Eiffel Towers are there in Paris?"
"Errrm, eight?"

AHAHAHAH.

DUMBASSES.
the world is flat you moron.

I agree with iam.

I can't stand the majority Americans. Perhaps because every one I have met, their arrogance stuck into my skin. I even remember one of the Americans I met, who I thought was rather cool and 'placid', rattled off about how America was the world's police.

Added to which... they are a theocracy. They harp on about bringing rights to other countries, but can't even treat their atheist citizens properly. Before you go to clean up another country, I suggest you pick the shit off your own doorstep first. I'm sick of America's preaching, its hypocricy, and its meddling. Why can't it fuck off and leave everyone alone?

There are some here who try to separate the actions of the American administration, and the American people. "Oh yes, the American admin sucks, but you can't extrapolate that to the American people!"

Umm, yes I can. A people gets the government it deserves. The American people doesn't don't care enough to clean up their own shit.

HAHAHAH:

"How many kidneys does a human have"
"Errrm, one?"

"How many Eiffel Towers are there in Paris?"
"Errrm, eight?"

AHAHAHAH.

DUMBASSES.

Could you leave your drunken conversation with an American back at the dive.

You sound blitzed right now.

Only because there is oil there.:)

And you want to make sure it will be sold in dollars not euros.

That statement proves you cannot be a scientist, you probably arent even Indian.

That statement proves you cannot be a scientist, you probably arent even Indian.

All your post proves is that you think a riposte is when someone posts the same post twice.;)

Oops, your whole reasoning is not only ignorant but stupid with a dose of typcial american hubris and imagined jealousy because americans are "on top."

You should remember there are many landsman of you . or people from all over the world . So are they stupid and ignorant also ?

Boo hoo hoo. Listen to the righteous indignation of the Americans.

You're just like the French that you continually belittle. To be honest, I find an American 10 times more arrogant than a Frenchman, and that's saying something!

Boo hoo hoo. Listen to the righteous indignation of the Americans.

You're just like the French that you continually belittle. To be honest, I find an American 10 times more arrogant than a Frenchman, and that's saying something!

The French are very nice people, why do you say they are arrogant?

They are nice if you can speak French...

Except Parisians :D

They're very good at advertising too.

All your post proves is that you think a riposte is when someone posts the same post twice.;)
now that's some funny shit. :)

in response to the first post:

holy fucknig god. no-one could be that stupid... they thought tasmania was south korea!

in response to the first post:

holy fucknig god. no-one could be that stupid... they thought tasmania was south korea!
south australia. :)

south australia. :)

I thought it was in somewhere in the arctic cicle :confused:










;)

oh, i thought he was referring to tasmania when he mentioned size. im not sure whether that makes his statement any stupider.

this thread's intention is malicious, and therefore against the site's rules.

that is all.

I thought it was in somewhere in the arctic cicle :confused:
;)
it's somewhere over there, up there, on there.

this thread's intention is malicious, and therefore against the site's rules.

that is all.
it took you 8 pages to figure that out? :confused:

it took you 8 pages to figure that out? :confused:

i just woke up.
its 4 a.m. where i am. :)

It does not negate the fact that the US dollar value is due to foreign investment; hence the war in Iraq to protect US interests.

I think you'll find that the "direct" return is through the arms supplied to the dictators and stability of their regimes in return for exclusive access to multinational contracts and the destruction of local economy.

So in exchange for helping the foreign country, the government allows the U.S. to help the government? Even if you could provide a recent example that doesn’t make a bit of sense. Do we really need another unproven conspiracy theory? You’re honestly telling me that we’re currently helping small, poor countries with little world influence so that we can receive more power? Does that also mean that our medical aid to treat such diseases as tuberculosis are an attempt for the U.S. to create some sort of non-tuberculosis infected super soldier for our nefarious deeds? None of this adds up.

i just woke up.
its 4 a.m. where i am. :)

Arizona? Afterall the USA is the world to me.

i just woke up.
its 4 a.m. where i am. :)
we was going at it pretty good.

we was going at it pretty good.

i saw that.

ill break it down for everyone, and hopefully end the conversation:

there are 300 million people in the united states. of those 300 million, there are probably 100 million that i would call "stupid" (pretty near the same ratio throughout europe, i might add), or "ignorant of the world".

and why not? americans have no reason to leave their country in order to go about their daily lives. the 2 cultural hubs in the united states are several thousand miles apart...thus making travel from new york city to los angeles the equivalent of a british citizen travelling to moscow. this is why only one language is taught as mandatory in american schools.

even the critics of america state that the usa is the "sole superpower".
think on this for a second.....*gives you time*
why would somebody want to leave a country when they are told that everybody outside the country hates them? this is pure propoganda meant to keep americans from going to another country, which immediately leads us to the question: why would americans want to know about someplace they will never go?

and for that matter, i once was at a party with a bunch of flemish nationalists (belgians) that held to the opinion that americans were stupid. they challenged me to name all fifty states, and i did...while drunk. i then proceeded to name all but 1 of the belgian provinces.

my question is this: how many non-americans can show me 10% of the american states on an unlabeled map?
until that happens, shut your traps.

intermission:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5zFsy9VIdM&mode=related&search=

er..its not just geography at least to me.

There is just that undefinable lack of something of americans that defines them which i don't like.

they don't seem as fully human. i've been other places and america even with the physical things just feels substandard, crass, shallow and lacking some finesse or class or soul or something that makes you feel 'human'.

i saw that.

ill break it down for everyone, and hopefully end the conversation:

there are 300 million people in the united states. of those 300 million, there are probably 100 million that i would call "stupid" (pretty near the same ratio throughout europe, i might add), or "ignorant of the world".

and why not? americans have no reason to leave their country in order to go about their daily lives. the 2 cultural hubs in the united states are several thousand miles apart...thus making travel from new york city to los angeles the equivalent of a british citizen travelling to moscow. this is why only one language is taught as mandatory in american schools.

even the critics of america state that the usa is the "sole superpower".
think on this for a second.....*gives you time*
why would somebody want to leave a country when they are told that everybody outside the country hates them? this is pure propoganda meant to keep americans from going to another country, which immediately leads us to the question: why would americans want to know about someplace they will never go?

and for that matter, i once was at a party with a bunch of flemish nationalists (belgians) that held to the opinion that americans were stupid. they challenged me to name all fifty states, and i did...while drunk. i then proceeded to name all but 1 of the belgian provinces.

my question is this: how many non-americans can show me 10% of the american states on an unlabeled map?
until that happens, shut your traps.

That made complete sense.

You must be an American.

er..its not just geography at least to me.

There is just that undefinable lack of something of americans that defines them which i don't like.

they don't seem as fully human. i've been other places and america even with the physical things just feels substandard, crass, shallow and lacking some finesse or class or soul or something that makes you feel 'human'.

this is an opinion, not any sort of standard.

like i said, meet 10 people that you dont know in any western nation, and you will find the same thing in at least 3 of them.

end of topic.

That made complete sense.

You must be an American.

i certainly am.
MICHIGAN REPRESENT!!!

i certainly am.
MICHIGAN REPRESENT!!!

I'm in Virginia.

Where's Michigan?

I'm in Virginia.

Where's Michigan?

I live in Georgia... but I don't know where that is.

There is just that undefinable lack of something of americans that defines them which i don't like.

Intellectual laziness and a copout.
You speak from your vagina.

they don't seem as fully human. i've been other places and america even with the physical things just feels substandard, crass, shallow and lacking some finesse or class or soul or something that makes you feel 'human'.

More speech straight from the vagina.
You do realize how incredibly gay this 'less than human' drech is, yes?

I'm in Virginia.

Where's Michigan?

one thing that is frustrating is that google has made my theory impossible to test over the internet (how many states can a non-american label correctly).
:(
im absolutely correct though....and its not even about america.
how many chinese can name the countries of europe?
how many english can name and label all the provinces of canada?
how many italians can label the central american countries?
ad nauseum, ad nauseum.....

How about all the bones in the human body?

what i want to know is:
why hasnt (at the very LEAST) this thread been cesspooled or locked?
its intent is malicious, and alienates me (im sure im not alone).

i suppose ill go start a thread about how jews are money-grubbing baby killers, and how arabs are all scimitar licking barbarians.

im severely disappointed in the (lack of) moderation here.

How about all the bones in the human body?

even more appropriate. :)

i saw that.

ill break it down for everyone, and hopefully end the conversation:

there are 300 million people in the united states. of those 300 million, there are probably 100 million that i would call "stupid" (pretty near the same ratio throughout europe, i might add), or "ignorant of the world".

and why not? americans have no reason to leave their country in order to go about their daily lives. the 2 cultural hubs in the united states are several thousand miles apart...thus making travel from new york city to los angeles the equivalent of a british citizen travelling to moscow. this is why only one language is taught as mandatory in american schools.

even the critics of america state that the usa is the "sole superpower".
think on this for a second.....*gives you time*
why would somebody want to leave a country when they are told that everybody outside the country hates them? this is pure propoganda meant to keep americans from going to another country, which immediately leads us to the question: why would americans want to know about someplace they will never go?

and for that matter, i once was at a party with a bunch of flemish nationalists (belgians) that held to the opinion that americans were stupid. they challenged me to name all fifty states, and i did...while drunk. i then proceeded to name all but 1 of the belgian provinces.

my question is this: how many non-americans can show me 10% of the american states on an unlabeled map?
until that happens, shut your traps.

Nope, that's not why. It's american bred hubris is why and you see witness in the psyche of americans. They feel their country is what they are only "culturally" interested in. America has not always had the 'hated' mark. They are hated now because of the very attitude the world is aware of now over time.

Even as a child no matter what my primary culture was, I was naturally interested in the world or at least i was aware of general or basic knowledge.

For someone to not have this attitude in a country like america is assinine and speaks terribly of its citizens in a first world, melting pot. You HAVE to be and breed a prejudicial mind in yourself to not absorb the information. I've witnessed it with americans. By being purposefully ignorant of others, the easier to feel supremacist, be disrespectful and overrride others and hold yourself above as an "american." This is the real reason for their 'ignorance'. It's actually on purpose. When you talk to americans they are only interested in your culture either to compare it to theirs or find what to appropriate or how they can improve their own. It's really arrogant, self-centered and disrespectful. There is a distinct lack of honest sharing, appreciation or interest.

You are making common bullshit excuses but I have the insight and know the real nitty gritty reason.

what i want to know is:
why hasnt (at the very LEAST) this thread been cesspooled or locked?
its intent is malicious, and alienates me (im sure im not alone).

Because political correctness only extends to the protection of others, not the self. American humility (hubris) demands that we not repress the rights of others to spit on us.

We realize that the little ones need something to keep them warm at night, you see. It's easier to bitch about Americans than actually getting up and fixing the problems in your own country.

You speak from your vagina.
oh shit . . . OUCH.

Nope, that's not why. It's american bred hubris is why and you see witness it in the psyche of americans. They feel their country is what they are only "culturally" interested in. America has not always had the 'hated' mark. They are hated now because of the very attitude the world is aware of now over time.

Even as a child no matter what my primary culture was, I was naturally interested in the world or at least i was aware of general or basic knowledge.

For someone to not have this attitude in a country like america is assinine and speaks terribly of its citizens in a first world, melting pot. You HAVE to be and breed a prejudicial mind in yourself to not absorb the information. I've witnessed it with americans. By being purposefully ignorant of others, the easier to feel supremacist, be disrespectful and overrride others and hold yourself above as an "american."

You are making common bullshit excuses but I have the insight and know the real nitty gritty reason.

If English is your third language, then I am impressed with the above.

If not, then not.

Nope, that's not why. It's american bred hubris is why and you see witness it in the psyche of americans. They feel their country is what they are only "culturally" interested in. America has not always had the 'hated' mark. They are hated now because of the very attitude the world is aware of now over time.

So.
The latest dribblings from you vagina indicate that you really hate Americans because we don't appreciate you enough?

In other words, "You don't send me flowers... anymore..."

Queef.

By being purposefully ignorant of others, the easier to feel supremacist, be disrespectful and overrride others and hold yourself above as an "american."

Can the 'purposefully ignorant' part and change 'American' to 'non-American' and you're pretty much describing yourself, Vag.

It is morons like iam that make Americans feel superior in the first place.

You are making common bullshit excuses but I have the insight and know the real nitty gritty reason.
"common bullshit excuses"?
those are facts, assmouth.
i lived in the united states for 25 years and never bought into "the hype". im not one of the braindead zombies you are referring to in the opening post. being MORE critical of my country than even foreigners has been what helped me to realize all of these points.

do i like that what i said above is true? not at all.

but the fact of the matter is this: you will find the same trends everywhere you go.

prove me wrong.
oh wait, i forgot....its easier to point out the flaws in what you are programmed to hate, than to accept that perhaps everything you see on youtube isnt true.

on that note:
suck my balls.

er..its not just geography at least to me.

aren't you the same poster who started a thread that you spewed your hatred of the "white man"?

now you start one where you spew your hatred of america.

what are you going to hate next?

http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2004/top500(1-100).htm
peruse that list, bigot.
how many of those universities are american?
i bet you cant even tell me that.

Eat ingnorance!
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1958/34g2aeh211ut3.gif (http://imageshack.us)

i hate therefor "IAM"

Hmmm. Foreigners started this thread, but the Americans moved in with their big guns and now seem to occupy it. What sort of resistance will they meet?

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

if thats too much for you, look at this page...
it breaks down the big shiny graph for you:
http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2004/Statistics.htm

Hmmm. Foreigners started this thread, but the Americans moved in with their big guns and now seem to occupy it. What sort of resistance will they meet?

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

*puts on his flight suit to stand underneath a self aggrandizing banner*

/sarcasm

if thats too much for you, look at this page...
it breaks down the big shiny graph for you:
http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2004/Statistics.htm

Wow, 17 out of 20! That is more than half!

if thats too much for you, look at this page...
it breaks down the big shiny graph for you:
http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2004/Statistics.htm

Ouch, out of 20... 17 are in the US.

Intellectual laziness and a copout.
You speak from your vagina.



More speech straight from the vagina.
You do realize how incredibly gay this 'less than human' drech is, yes?

If you can't pick up on the different nuances and just experience, vibes and energy of different cultures you're spewing from your prick or your as simple as an 'american'. It's just true.

Anyone who has traveled can tell you that every culture has a different texture and climate. Some people lack this level of discernment and evidently it is an american who assumes I'm talking out of my 'vagina' because they are too stupid to grasp anything not tied down or concrete.:confused:

No need to go far.
There are a few simpleton Americans on this very forum who exhibit no less the same cultural traits as the ones in the interviews.

Luckily their stupidity can hide behind the argument that everyone is jealous of them and their democracy and freedoms and so they can continue being the international joke, that they are, without ever having to change.

Feminization of Man, you say?

Here is what it looks like.
A bunch of retards, voting…

Let’s see, are lightgigantic, IceAgeCivilizations and whitewolf Americans?
I’m curious.
That much stupidity can only come from one or two places.

Hmmm. Foreigners started this thread, but the Americans moved in with their big guns and now seem to occupy it. What sort of resistance will they meet?

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!


Resistence? they just got eaten

If you can't pick up on the different nuances and just experience, vibes and energy of different cultures you're spewing from your prick or your as simple as an 'american'. It's just true.

Anyone who has traveled can tell you that every culture has a different texture and climate. Some people lack this level of discernment and evidently it is an american who assumes I'm talking out of my 'vagina' because they are too stupid to grasp anything not tied down or concrete.:confused:

oh....NOW your ideas arent "tied down or concrete".

look at how the cute world scholar backpedals when met with evidence to the contrary of his narrow views!

i repeat:
suck my balls.

evidently it is an american who assumes I'm talking out of my 'vagina' because they are too stupid to grasp anything not tied down or concrete.

No.
It's an American accusing you of talking out of your vagina because you're saying stupid shit like 'undefinable lack of something which defines'.

That is what you call a queef.

If you can't pick up on the different nuances and just experience, vibes and energy of different cultures you're spewing from your prick or your as simple as an 'american'. It's just true.

Lay off the acid, hippy.