In The End Saudi Arabia Wins In The War

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  1. thecurly1 Registered Senior Member

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    Osama bin Laden or the USA haven't got as much as they wished for as Saudi Arabia has. The Saudi royal family is extreamly happy over what their ally the United States is doing.

    For starters OBL has been a thorne in the royal family's ass for a decade. Threatening to topple the regime that holds power in the geographical heart of Islam. The US's most wanted is now OBL. Chalk up one for the Saudis.

    Number two reason is that the war on terrorism will probably expand into Iraq. The Saudi's number two pain in the ass is Saddam Hussein. Threating them with invasion, and weapons of mass destruction, as well as giving Arab countries a negitivie view (even before 9/11).

    The war on terror will allow the US in accordance with Saudi Arabia to destroy the anti-royal terror cells in Saudi Arabia. The Saudis will respond to the supposid (anti-Islamic) actions they are taking as a bully by the Americans. This gives them a perfect excuse for playing to both sides.

    Fourth winning reason is that the US is trying harder than ever to stop Palestinian blood shed and create a Palestinian state.

    Personally we should get out of the Saudi's control ASAP.
     
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  3. goofyfish Analog By Birth, Digital By Design Valued Senior Member

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    USA -- U nder S audi A rabia

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    "Personally we should get out of the Saudi's control ASAP."
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    Bush and his father have sold their souls and our sovereignty for oil, and it is killing us. The real issue is money.

    Public records show that many of the same American corporate executives who have reaped millions of dollars from arms and oil deals with the Saudi monarchy have served or currently serve at the highest levels of U.S. government. The Saudis bought both George W. Bush and his father. Ties between the Bush and bin Laden families, the Carlyle Group and Saudi Arabia let the Riyadh regime beat America like a rented camel.

    There can be no doubt that those financial relationships call into question the ability of America's political elite to make tough foreign policy decisions about the kingdom that produced Osama bin Laden and is perhaps the biggest incubator for anti-Western Islamic terrorists. Nowhere is the revolving U.S. - Saudi money wheel more evident than within President Bush's own coterie of foreign policy advisers, starting with the president's father, George H.W. Bush.

    How does all this Saudi money in the pockets of Bush's friends and family hurt us? Did their connections cause America to turn a blind eye to terrorism? How can it be that the former President of the US and the current President of the US have business dealings with characters that need to be investigated? This Bush obsequiousness toward Saudis with alarming connections to terrorism is nothing new.

    On the BBC, former head of the American visa bureau in Jeddah, Michael Springman appeared explaining that "...in Saudi Arabia I was repeatedly ordered by high-level State Dept officials to issue visas to unqualified applicants. I complained bitterly at the time. What I was protesting was, in reality, an effort to bring recruits, rounded up by Osama Bin Laden, to the US for terrorist training by the CIA". The attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 did not shake the State Department's faith in the Saudis, nor did the attack on American barracks at Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia three years later, in which 19 Americans died.

    Pan Am reported suspicions about these men to the Bush FBI and the Bush FAA. Because Bush's family makes millions in business with the bin Ladens and other Saudis, Bush ordered the investigators to "back off," jeopardizing our national security to coddle Saudis. Rather than haul in this terrorist in training for questioning, the Bush FAA helped him learn to fly one of our jets into one of our buildings.

    Minnesota Rep. Jim Oberstar, the ranking Democrat on the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, said Pan Am "acted in the public interest" with both Moussaoui and Hanjour." Too bad that concept is alien to the oil-obsessed Bushes, who sold out thousands of American lives to appease Saudi sensibilities. Oberstar praised Pan Am for its efforts to safeguard the skies and for passing federal authorities clues to possible terrorist activities before Sept. 11. Bush -- more afraid of us offending Saudis than of Saudis killing us -- ordered our watchdogs to ignore those critical clues. Now thousands are dead.

    Reports from ABC News seem to show that the Bush-lead government even doctored the bin Laden tapes to avoid embarrassing the Saudis who support bin Laden, and praised the 9/11 murders. Why did the Bush administration delay releasing the bin Laden videotape, and why did their translation omit or change critical passages? The explanation seems obvious, as the new translation uncovers statements that could be embarrassing to the government of Saudi Arabia, as Bin Laden's visitor, Khalid al Harbi, a Saudi dissident, claims that he was smuggled into Afghanistan by a member of Saudi Arabia's religious police."

    Why would the Saudi police would be helping a so called "dissident" meet with supposed pariah bin Laden, but reports: On the tape, Harbi tells bin Laden that in Saudi Arabia, several prominent clerics - some with connections to the Saudi government - made speeches supporting the attacks on America." These statements are not merely embarrassing to the Saudi royal family. This is evidence of top-level Saudi government support for bin Laden, even after the 9/11 attacks.

    Our so-called "allies" act more like diffident imperial overlords. Saudi leaders are bitter about what they regard as a U.S. media campaign blaming Riyadh for tolerating or even breeding religious fanaticism, financing guerrilla and terrorist movements like bin Laden's al Qaeda, crushing zealous reformers and tolerating widespread corruption. Arab sources are specific about Saudi resentment and lack of cooperation. The Arabic News.Com reported, "The Saudi defense minister Sultan Bin Abdul Aziz has accused Zionism of being behind the media campaign against Saudi Arabia in the US. This was expressed in statements issued in the Saudi press." The same source reported: "Saudi Arabia has refused to comply to a US request to freeze bank accounts Washington suspects that they have links to certain terrorist groups."

    Saudi officials see nothing wrong with their support for terror and their obstruction of American efforts to combat terror. They dismiss even deferential questioning of their pro-terror activities as "Zionism" in the US media. It comes down to this: Americans want to defend ourselves against terrorism. The Saudis want to keep supporting terrorists and undermining our efforts. Whose side is Bush on?

    The younger Bush made his first million 20 years ago with an oil company partly funded by Salem Bin Laden's chief US representative. He also received fees as director of a subsidiary of Carlyle Corporation, a little known private company that, in just a few years of its founding, has become one of Americas biggest defense contractors. His father, Bush Senior, is also a paid advisor. And what became embarrassing was the revelation that the Bin Ladens held a stake in Carlyle, sold just after September 11.

    The Bushes, James A. Baker, Dick Cheney, the Carlyle Group, and the band of Texas oil barons who have backed Bush's political career have put their financial interests above our national interests long enough. Their big money interests clearly rest with the Saudis, not Americans. Like his father, Bush placates his Saudi masters like some appointed toady. He goes to any length to avoid annoying his bosses in Riyadh, whose demands and indignation escalate constantly.

    Bush can only serve one nation: the US or Saudi Arabia. He and his father and their rich, powerful friends have to make a choice: them or us. How much American blood will Bush risk for Saudi oil? Where is the outrage? When do we stand up and demand our independence from Saudi Arabia and the Bushes, who behave more like colonial governors than elected leaders?

    When do we get the United States back from the Saudis?




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  5. thecurly1 Registered Senior Member

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    While I'm not convinced the connections between the US and Saudi Arabia lay in such sinister ground, I'm happy to see that someone agrees with me that this "partnership" is a bad one to be in.
     
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