When I read certain threads concerning US and EU relations, I can't help but grimace at some opinons stated and laugh at others. eg 'Europe is just Jealous'

We are all humans, I am losing faith in humans, but I will stand steadfast with the principles that I value. We shouldn't be concentrating on how to make the 'others' look bad. We should be concentrating on make the world a better place. This means admitting our own shorcommings.
I get frustrated when Americans claim their supremicy, and I'm not saying that any european country would be any better put in the same position. The power to destroy is not an admirable one, the power to drive a big car and hire personal servants is meaningless.
What I realy want to say is.
We are all humans, there is no us and them. There is only one us. Humans.

Originally posted by moonman
We are all humans, there is no us and them. There is only one us. Humans.

Does that include all other races, like muslim arabs, africans, indians, chinease, ect...Or are you talking strictly to Americans and Europeans?

All men are created equal. Not all nations.

France is better than Swaziland, the US is better than france.

'Does that include all other races, like muslim arabs, africans, indians, chinease, ect...Or are you talking strictly to Americans and Europeans?'

I am inherently refering to members of the species Homo Sapiens. I don't know if there has been a new classification of Homo Sapiens Americanus and Homo Sapiens Europa.

'All men are created equal. Not all nations.

France is better than Swaziland, the US is better than france.'

What is your point? So you don't agree that we should work together? The world should bow down and kiss America's feet?
Define 'better'.

I think many forget that the future lies not in America, the US's glory days are slowly fading their resorces are stretched to the limit, taxes are rising and income disparity is not improving, but countrys in Asia like China for example are quickly gaining momentum. 60% of the worlds population live in Asia. The 'World' if defined by a continent should be defined inherently form Asia in this respect, or perhaps Africa to whom we owe our very existence. On another point, the 3rd world countrys of Africa and South America(If they can overwin their US puppet governments) Are absolutely full of potential and some untapped natural resorces and human resources, they definately hold promise for the future.
There isn't enough OIL to last forever.

I get frustrated when Americans claim their supremicy I don't. I get annoyed when someone *doesn't* claim their supremacy. I would hope Canadians think of themselves the most important in the world. Likewise for Britains. Have some pride in who you are and what you stand for. Don't be so politically correct. It is disgusting.

the power to drive a big car and hire personal servants is meaningless. So ... life is meaningless?

We are all humans, there is no us and them. There is only one us. Humans. No. I don't consider "we" to include France, Germany, Syria, and all those morons (in general). When I talk of "we" or "us" I generally refer to the United States or Canada because I'm citizens there. I consider them my own people. Not some guy in some country that I don't know.

All men are created equal. Not all nations.

France is better than Swaziland, the US is better than france. And most other countries. If I see a friend walking around that is very rich, very successful, and doing well, I *do* get jealous. But it does't make me take up arms against him. Instead, I work harder and try to out do him in friendly competition. Unfortunately, it seems a lot of countries in this world do not take that approach. They get jealous and jealousy leads to hatred, and hatred leads to the dark side...

So you don't agree that we should work together? Read his post at least six times and then tell me if he said that. Or even remotely implied that.

The world should bow down and kiss America's feet? No, just respect us. We respect you if you respect us. See how we respect Israel and Britain and Australia? Because they respect us. If you respect us, you will be respected.

Don't FUCK with us. It makes Americans cranky and annoyed.

I think many forget that the future lies not in America Wait let me guess, it lies ... um ... eh?

the US's glory days are slowly fading And France is an upcoming world power right? Much like their precious veto vote can do anything in the world and passing more resolutions will create world peace.

taxes are rising and income disparity is not improving Taxes are rising? Where do you get your "facts" from? Bush is CUTTING taxes.

Income disparity? You mean taking from those that have and giving to those that have not? You like stealing from the rich to give to the poor?

or perhaps Africa to whom we owe our very existence Explain.


For most part, I fail to see what your point is. You're bitching about the U.S. being so powerful and because the U.S. is kind of doing what it want when it want without restraint.

Moonman, you are on the right track. Jump on my side of the fence.

Jerrek, you are this exact weed to human race that we need to eliminate to reach peace and harmony in our world.

Jerrek, you are this exact weed to human race that we need to eliminate to reach peace and harmony in our world.

On the contrary, he's the sort of strong human being that we ought to hope will flourish.

moonman:
We shouldn't be concentrating on how to make the 'others' look bad. We should be concentrating on make the world a better place. This means admitting our own shorcommings.

Yet followed by some meaningless snipe against Americans.

I get frustrated when Americans claim their supremicy, and I'm not saying that any european country would be any better put in the same position.

And what, precisely, is wrong with national pride?

The power to destroy is not an admirable one,

In your opinion, it is not. I think it is.

the power to drive a big car and hire personal servants is meaningless.

See above.

We are all humans, there is no us and them. There is only one us. Humans.

Which you, of course, prove by your inane attacks on America.

Jerrek, you are this exact weed to human race that we need to eliminate to reach peace and harmony in our world. Ah yes, killing for peace... Wonderful.

I didn't suggest killing you, just merely spraying you with some Weed B Gone.

The hypocrisy is awfully amusing, no? moonman facilitates universal brotherhood by stereotyping Americans and heflores facilitates peace by advocating murder.

You just proved that you can't even tolerate other's opinions. They must be made to ... disappear?

I'm sorry, but I don't think that way.

And don't forget, XEV plays her balance beam act like a pro.

But I don't. I'm not a good person and I don't try to pretend that I am.

Unlike you, I'm honest. I believe in freedom of speech, so I don't say that people who disagree with me should be sprayed with weedkiller. However, I believe that my society has an unhealthy attitude towards violence, so I say so.

Lack of hypocrisy is one of the most abhorrent sins to you, isn't it?

Oh no Xev,
You're the last one I want to have beef with, I truly enjoy reading your posts...Don't put yourself in the same jar of tar with Jerrek. Plus if you have noticed, I only enjoy giving insults, I don't enjoy getting them...calling me generous or whatever..I like compliments.

I usually agree with Jerrek views, but I hate his attitude. You can say the same thing without the attitude and accomplish what you want. And from a person that travels a lot, I think Americans need to learn a thing or two about respecting their place within the human race if they want to continue being part of the human race. We don't have to all be vulger idiots that are always boasting our big sticks all the time.

Guess what happens to pompous people who care about noone when their gun falls....This is not the America I like, I like the America whoes image and reputation is as bright as a diamond.

Bright as a diamond to whom? Saddam et al? Or Israel and Britain? I personally prefer the latter.

Ah I well, I see my lashes at America were quite unnecesary, and I appologise for the generalizations. It's kind of what I wanted to avoid but I guess my social predjudices got the better of me.

Jerrek-
I don't. I get annoyed when someone *doesn't* claim their supremacy. I would hope Canadians think of themselves the most important in the world. Likewise for Britains. Have some pride in who you are and what you stand for. Don't be so politically correct. It is disgusting.
No. I don't consider "we" to include France, Germany, Syria, and all those morons (in general). When I talk of "we" or "us" I generally refer to the United States or Canada because I'm citizens there. I consider them my own people. Not some guy in *some country that I don't know*.

And most other countries. If I see a friend walking around that is very rich, very successful, and doing well, I *do* get jealous. But it does't make me take up arms against him. Instead, I work harder and try to out do him in friendly competition. Unfortunately, it seems a lot of countries in this world do not take that approach. They get jealous and jealousy leads to hatred, and hatred leads to the dark side...

I don't care much for being 'politicaly' correct just correct according to my own principles, and I don't claim to be correct or right either that is for the post reader to decided for them selves. I believe vanity, pride and jealousy are dangerous emotions, because they cause differentiation and hate as you say. There are no 'healthy' versions of these.

*maybe you should learn more about countrys that you 'don't know' before making pointless judgements*

So ... life is meaningless?
Maybe, I don't know, if it is I sure don't want to spend it hating people (i'm not saying you hate *europe* but i don't see that you like us either).

No, just respect us. We respect you if you respect us. See how we respect Israel and Britain and Australia? Because they respect us. If you respect us, you will be respected.
This is a very fair statement, but I don't see Bush respecting the opinions of the UN.

And France is an upcoming world power right? Much like their precious veto vote can do anything in the world and passing more resolutions will create world peace.
Read my post six times and tell me where I have insinuated that France will be a world power, or that I have ever actualy mentioned France in my own words.;)

Taxes are rising? Where do you get your "facts" from? Bush is CUTTING taxes.

Income disparity? You mean taking from those that have and giving to those that have not? You like stealing from the rich to give to the poor?


The tax rising comment was based on the fact that they have been rising steadily ever since the Oil crisis in the early 70's. I believe the Tax cuts are only temporary. But I guess you could disregard my stament as it is quite pointless.
Income disparity, you know very well what I mean with it.

or perhaps Africa to whom we owe our very existence- explain

I belive that it has been stated that we evolved and migrated form Africa.


Xev-
I do not feel I have 'attacked' the USA in any way in my post, I admit the generalizations were unnecesary, but I don't consider deflation as in statments like 'Your not as good as you think' to be an attack.
Don't forget that National Pride allowed the holcaust to occur, Please note that I'm not intentionaly insinuatuing in anyway towrads the US with this statement. I am stating it as a fact, National Pride can be a dangerous thing, such as any pride.

heflores-
I want to tear down the fence.:D

I'm not sure how you think exactly. Let me simplify.

Arab countries have all the oil reserve of the world

Israel have nothing and takes a lot of aid.

What is exactly wrong with sweet talking the arabs and becoming their friend so we can get their oil....? We kiss butt to much worse dictators and communists, why can't we improve our sand box skills with the arabs for a change.

I agree with Jerrek. Nations become great because they take action. Better to burn out than to fade away.

*maybe you should learn more about countrys that you 'don't know' before making pointless judgements* I've lived in six countries and speak five languages. Of course, I'm just another dumb, ignorant American.

Maybe, I don't know, if it is I sure don't want to spend it hating people (i'm not saying you hate *europe* but i don't see that you like us either). I don't hate people. I just think Europeans, in general, are a bunch of idiots. They can't even protect themselves or maintain control on their own continent, and they get embarassed by the fact that 5-10 years ago they had a little dictator going on causing genocide in Europe. They constantly need the United States to protect them and to fix their problems, and then come with the "holier than thou" attitude that they are morally superior to Americans and should thus be allowed to judge Americans.

Meanwhile, their economies are wasting away even faster than the American economy and they are taxing the living crap out of people to give to immigrants and lazy people, and they they ask "so how come the USA has a greater GDP per capita?"

Blah.

This is a very fair statement, but I don't see Bush respecting the opinions of the UN. I don't see the U.N. respecting the U.S.

Read my post six times and tell me where I have insinuated that France will be a world power, or that I have ever actualy mentioned France in my own words.You implied that the U.S. is going down. I contrasted your belief with something just as plausable.

The tax rising comment was based on the fact that they have been rising steadily ever since the Oil crisis in the early 70's. Really? REALLY? lol. Did you know that the federal income tax is now lower than in the 70s? TSK. Read up before you talk.

I belive that it has been stated that we evolved and migrated form Africa. I believe that is a theory and not fact.

I do not feel I have 'attacked' the USA in any way in my post Ignorance is Blix.

Don't forget that National Pride allowed the holcaust to occur And when did the national pride of Americans cause a holocaust to happen?

I am stating it as a fact, National Pride can be a dangerous thing, such as any pride. Perhaps, but I think it is sickening not to have national pride.

This thread going sour more rapidly than milk. Probably, i am not helping to rectify it, but let it be.

My personal idealistic view is that we are one species, we share one planet, and we therefore desperately need to overcome our regional or national boundaries.

On the other hand, reality shows us that nationalistic feelings are quite hard to get rid off. Well, let it be our nature and let it work in our advantage. On that point i agree with Jerrek; friendly competition. E.g., if "we" Europeans are at least envious of US's economic success, let's try to outperform them. If "we" find their way offending and crude, let "us" try to give them a better example.

Just bashing US policies en masse is too easy, let's try to get our act together and give them a good run for their money. See where we end up.

I don't. I get annoyed when someone *doesn't* claim their supremacy. I would hope Canadians think of themselves the most important in the world. Likewise for Britains. Have some pride in who you are and what you stand for. Don't be so politically correct. It is disgusting.

pride is useless. it is nothing but meaningless posturing and delusions of grandeur that invariably results in conflicts. it is essentially asserting that "i am something". it seems to me that the need to do this can only stem from a lack of confidence, fear, negative self esteem.... blah. in my life i do not see any need to make unnessary enemies. my sense of self worth come from within and i pity those poor fucks that do otherwise

So ... life is meaningless?

ha ha
what a wretched life you must have. cars? jeeves? is that it? what about the thrill of exploration and discovery? dreams? imagination? invention? art? knowledge? love? would'nt this be more representative of what life has to offer us? moon man indicates big cars are nothing and to you that translates to " life is meaningless"! you are truly beyond shallow. what a waste of a brain!

]No. I don't consider "we" to include France, Germany, Syria, and all those morons (in general). When I talk of "we" or "us" I generally refer to the United States or Canada because I'm citizens there. I consider them my own people. Not some guy in some country that I don't know.

fabulous! you thrive on divisiveness and discord. in america there are communities that still have german traditions. are they not what you would consider "your own"? fact is jerreck, most of these people that you claim to know would probably swat you away like a fly once they get to know you. just eyeball sciforums attitude towards you and use some imagination. neither am i "your people". on the contrary, i find you like an animal, all emotion and no reason. please remove me from your list. if you have an enemy list, include me cos i do not wish your kind well

And most other countries. If I see a friend walking around that is very rich, very successful, and doing well, I *do* get jealous. But it does't make me take up arms against him. Instead, I work harder and try to out do him in friendly competition. Unfortunately, it seems a lot of countries in this world do not take that approach. They get jealous and jealousy leads to hatred, and hatred leads to the dark side...

bullshit. you are not special and the "dark side" shit is what you are experiencing (freud proves his worth once in while) you are a weak individual if you progress by merely trying to ' keep up with the jones's". do it for yourself, fool! get some frikkin self esteem. forget the others. learn for the sake of learning, get rich cos you like to vacation every weekend in hawaii, get a killer car cos you like fast comfortable rides? fuck mr jones and his shit

No, just respect us. We respect you if you respect us. See how we respect Israel and Britain and Australia? Because they respect us. If you respect us, you will be respected.

the english respect americans? you havent heard of the ugly american? any ethnic jokes? read british newspapers? govts may respect americans but only a fool such as yourself would imagine that popular opinion is is the same.

Don't FUCK with us. It makes Americans cranky and annoyed.

rubbish, you do not speak for all of us. i rather you keep your nose out of my affairs, mr canadian man. i have fucked many a bully. tread carefully

Originally posted by Clockwood
All men are created equal. Not all nations.

France is better than Swaziland, the US is better than france.

broad sweeping generalisations are indicative of inferior and lazy reasoning

France has better living conditions, a stronger economic/ industrial base, and stronger military (Im shocked!), and more stable government than Swaziland. Therefore as a country they are better. Same applies between the US and france. US>France.

Id like to think we have better national judgement too.

On the contrary, he's the sort of strong human being that we ought to hope will flourish.

holy cow. i pity you too

And what, precisely, is wrong with national pride?

wholly unnecessary. i rather have others proclaim my greatness. "blowing my own trumpet" is for uninformed peasants that lack intelligence and sophistication. my actions/words speak for themsleves. to further proclaim my greatness is laughable and extremely childish

In your opinion, it is not. I think it is.

what is the "power to destroy"? this is meaningless statement. what is it you want to destroy? by what means?

"Just bashing US policies en mass is too easy, lets try to give them a good run for their money and see where we end up."
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The problem with this idea is that the US government is going to end up , running for their the Money, on the same old treadmill that it has been on for the last 30 years.

Another thing for spookz: Without pride we fall into a souless depression in a gutter and die. Pride is the basis for all vices AND all virtues.

Nations become great because they take action.

action? what kind of action? are you able to make distinctions? are all actions good? what of your own actions? have you ever made a bad "action"

Better to burn out than to fade away.

if either one is how the culmination of a civilization is characterized, i would consider that a failure. the rise and fall of civs is not a neccessity. it is merely humans making shitty judgements and having an inability to learn from past mistakes. civs do not have to die out. foresight and planning are the keywords here

* i maintain french chicks are sexier and the cheeses and wine are beyond par. (shit that really matters!)

Clockwood

Nations become great because they take action.
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action? what kind of action? are you able to make distinctions? are all actions good? what of your own actions? have you ever made a bad "action"

You're confusing me with Clockwood.
I mean actions that are in a nation's best interest. Have I ever made a 'bad' action? Of course. But I at least had the stones to take the action.

Better to burn out than to fade away.
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if either one is how the culmination of a civilization is characterized, i would consider that a failure. the rise and fall of civs is not a neccessity. it is merely humans making shitty judgements and having an inability to learn from past mistakes. civs do not have to die out. foresight and planning are the keywords here

History says you're wrong. Great nations that choose passivity get pushed aside and sit on the backburner. France comes to mind. I do agree with your last point though - foresight and planning are vital. I'd say the US is planning for the 21st century. She can just sit there and hope the world's problems go away, or she can take a participatory role in shaping it.

While I realize ylou are an idealist, I'm not. I view the world according to Thomas Hobbe's Leviathan rather than Sir Thomas More's Utopia. We can all sit here and wax poetic about 'humans are humans' and 'why can't we all just get along?', but to me that is naive, simplistic thinking. We've had thousands of years to come to the conclusion 'we are all the same', but the truth is...we're not. Oh, biologically, yeah sure, but culturally, ethnically, not even close. Most of can't even get along with all our immediate neighbors and yet some of you talk about a big happy one government world.

Will we pay so much for pride that we have nothing left to spend on freedom?

Recently a little old lady took her pet bird to the veterinarian. She was grief stricken because the bird she was so proud of appeared to be dead.

"Doctor," she said, "my bird appears to be dead. But I've had him so long and I'm so proud of him. I just cannot believe he is really dead."

The doctor examined the bird and confirmed, "Yes, I'm afraid your bird is dead."

"Oh, that just can't be! I've had this bird so long and I am so proud of him. Are you absolutely certain he's dead? Isn't there a test or procedure you can perform to make sure he is really dead?"

"Well, hold on a minute," the doctor said as he disappeared into another room. A few minutes later he returned with a Labrador retriever. The dog went up to the bird, looked it up and down, sniffed it, pawed at it, and then turned and left the room.

Then the doctor left again and this time returned with a Siamese cat. The cat went up to the bird, looked it up and down, sniffed it, pawed at it, and then turned and left the room.

"Well," the doctor said, "I can now say without a single doubt that your bird is dead."

"Oh, no! I was so proud of that bird. It will be difficult, but I suppose I will just have to carry on without him. Thank you, Doctor. How much do I owe you?"

"That will be $250, please."

"What?! $250?! Just to tell me that my dear pet bird is dead. That's outrageous!"

"Well," the doctor explained, "if you had taken my word for it to begin with, the charge would have been only $25. But after the lab work and the cat scan, it will cost you $250." (Anonymous. Received via e-mail.)

I've lived in six countries and speak five languages. Of course, I'm just another dumb, ignorant American.

riding on your parents coattails i see. how does being multilingual translate into intelligence?

I don't hate people. I just think Europeans, in general, are a bunch of idiots. They can't even protect themselves or maintain control on their own continent, and they get embarassed by the fact that 5-10 years ago they had a little dictator going on causing genocide in .........................."

bah. i wanted to comment but realized the futility of doing so. the above is nothing but silly generalisations. jeez! get a clue

I don't see the U.N. respecting the U.S.

respect? what prison/ghetto culture do you come from?

Ignorance is Blix.

such wit!

You're confusing me with Clockwood.

apologies

History says you're wrong.

well yeah! but like i said we have choices

Great nations that choose passivity get pushed aside and sit on the backburner.

jeez. i am not against activism per se. we can however debate exactly what form this should take. shit is dynamic. it is quite possible that our interests could be served by an passive attitude rather than "action" (and all its useless gung ho implications) for a particular issue.

this either/or shit is not an advantageous attitude. grey is a thinking man's color!

While I realize ylou are an idealist, I'm not. I view the world according to Thomas Hobbe's Leviathan rather than Sir Thomas More's Utopia. We can all sit here and wax poetic about 'humans are humans' and 'why can't we all just get along?', but to me that is naive, simplistic thinking. We've had thousands of years to come to the conclusion 'we are all the same', but the truth is...we're not. Oh, biologically, yeah sure, but culturally, ethnically, not even close. Most of can't even get along with all our immediate neighbors and yet some of you talk about a big happy one government world.

i consider myself more of a realist than an idealist. tho the latter may form the underpinnings of my intellectual attitude, it simply not realistic when attempting to find solutions to current problems. just cos i have not criticised moonman does not imply i agree with his approach. i doubt if you will see me employing the new age approach in an attempt to solve stuff in this forum! this does not mean i think it is wrong, merely that it doesnt have a chance in hell in working (in most cases)

Originally posted by spookz
You are not special and the "dark side" shit is what you are experiencing. (Freud proves his worth once in while.)
Hey, that's Jung, not Freud. Freud really is worthless.

jeez. i am not against activism per se. we can however debate exactly what form this should take. shit is dynamic. it is quite possible that our interests could be served by an passive attitude rather than "action" (and all its useless gung ho implications) for a particular issue.

Sure. I'll agree with that. I'm not saying the US should always be in stormtrooper mode. I'm only saying that when the situation requires stormtrooper mode, great nations are prepared.

this either/or shit is not an advantageous attitude. grey is a thinking man's color!

As a centrist I can appreciate that.

i consider myself more of a realist than an idealist.

Well, damn spookz, you just threw me for a loop.:D

tho the latter may form the underpinnings of my intellectual attitude, it simply not realistic when attempting to find solutions to current problems. just cos i have not criticised moonman does not imply i agree with his approach. i doubt if you will see me employing the new age approach in an attempt to solve stuff in this forum! this does not mean i think it is wrong, merely that it doesnt have a chance in hell in working (in most cases)

Welcome to the dark side, Luuuke.:D

Originally posted by spookz
wholly unnecessary. i rather have others proclaim my greatness. "blowing my own trumpet" is for uninformed peasants that lack intelligence and sophistication. my actions/words speak for themsleves. to further proclaim my greatness is laughable and extremely childish

Originally posted by spookz
broad sweeping generalisations are indicative of inferior and lazy reasoning

hypocracy anyone?

pride is useless. it is nothing but meaningless posturing and delusions of grandeur that invariably results in conflicts. it is essentially asserting that "i am something". it seems to me that the need to do this can only stem from a lack of confidence, fear, negative self esteem.... blah. in my life i do not see any need to make unnessary enemies. my sense of self worth come from within and i pity those poor fucks that do otherwise

Pride is not useless. The pride of a job well done, the pride when exceed at a skill, the pride you get when you make somebody happy are all useless? "I am a good worker" "I am a good semeratin" "I am a good friend"

ha ha
what a wretched life you must have. cars? jeeves? is that it? what about the thrill of exploration and discovery? dreams? imagination? invention? art? knowledge? love? would'nt this be more representative of what life has to offer us? moon man indicates big cars are nothing and to you that translates to " life is meaningless"! you are truly beyond shallow. what a waste of a brain!


Originally posted by spookz
broad sweeping generalisations are indicative of inferior and lazy reasoning

fabulous! you thrive on divisiveness and discord. in america there are communities that still have german traditions. are they not what you would consider "your own"? fact is jerreck, most of these people that you claim to know would probably swat you away like a fly once they get to know you. just eyeball sciforums attitude towards you and use some imagination. neither am i "your people". on the contrary, i find you like an animal, all emotion and no reason. please remove me from your list. if you have an enemy list, include me cos i do not wish your kind well

I don't believe SciF represent the majority of americans. your only reason and not emotional yet you are cursing and calling people names.

respect? what prison/ghetto culture do you come from?

Originally posted by spookz
broad sweeping generalisations are indicative of inferior and lazy reasoning

I think he might be talking about countries like France and Russia selling Iraq weapons illegaly while there were sanctions over Iraq actually causing American deaths.

hypocracy anyone?

sorry. not anyone. just you! be specific and point out the instance

Pride is not useless. The pride of a job well done, the pride when exceed at a skill, the pride you get when you make somebody happy are all useless? "I am a good worker" "I am a good semeratin" "I am a good friend"

sure but i rather you keep in topic and consider contexts

I don't believe SciF represent the majority of americans. your only reason and not emotional yet you are cursing and calling people names.

get a clue. it is not personal. i do not dislike anyone. jerreck could very well be a nice guy.

I think he might be talking about countries like France and Russia selling Iraq weapons illegaly while there were sanctions over Iraq actually causing American deaths.

just in case you misrepresent a poster's views, it might be prudent to let them explain themselves

Originally posted by spookz
hypocracy anyone?

sorry. not anyone. just you! be specific and point out the instance

Pride is not useless. The pride of a job well done, the pride when exceed at a skill, the pride you get when you make somebody happy are all useless? "I am a good worker" "I am a good semeratin" "I am a good friend"

sure but i rather you keep in topic and consider contexts

I don't believe SciF represent the majority of americans. your only reason and not emotional yet you are cursing and calling people names.

get a clue. it is not personal. i do not dislike anyone. jerreck could very well be a nice guy.

I think he might be talking about countries like France and Russia selling Iraq weapons illegaly while there were sanctions over Iraq actually causing American deaths.

just in case you misrepresent a poster's views, it might be prudent to let them explain themselves

Your doing the same thing you are being critical about everybody about overgeneralizing. Hence the hypocracy.

Pride that you made you country great is that bad also? Pride that by doing a job well you are ensuring that your children will have your opportunities.

Ok sorry about that then. I don't see how that strengthens your points only makes people turned off by your ideas.

Ok I have nothing wrong with that.

ok decent points. i could nitpick but wont