This is based on the thread by Randolfo that he forgot to place a poll on:
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=34724
Randolfo please state your evidence for why you think Xev should be impeached and this time try to get more and better evidence.

If anyone wants to state evidence for their opinions please do, but be prepared to refreance your claims! This is not going to become a "I like s/he / Don't like s/he" banning poll were almost everyone states no evidence to there opinions or claims and just sit around bitching at each other! :mad:

I (don't) like (s)he... based on:
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=34785#post551563

DIE XEV.... just kidding

I really don't care. Hey, how about I become a moderator! What a great idea ILIkeSAlt. I am an absolute genius. yay, I will be the new moderator.

... of the philosophy forum?

I think Xev is a prophet - pure evil speaks thru her. Yum.

All hail Xev!

That's kind of sad.

You people are making me cry! if your going to post please have something constructive to say, something serious, please!

Fetus:
You people are making me cry! if your going to post please have something constructive to say, something serious, please!
Then chew on this- so this Rondolfo character gets emotionally entrenched on a thread one day and since there is little else going on his life (not to mention WellcookedFeoteus') he decides to create his own thread asking the peasentry whether or not so and so is fit to be a moderator in this forum.


The man said:

Randolfo: "I think that as a "moderator", Xev continues to act her childish self, I think that her cussing & taunting should at a minimum result in her losing this position. She acts like a child, not an adult, therefore, why should she have adult responsibilities? Banish her to the masses of Sciforums, like the rest of us. Let some more mature person take the reins.
Is she moderate, is she fair & balanced?"

where withal we find him quoting his target as "evidence":

"Xev: I am indeed a racist. This is pretty much the only thing you've gotten right about me so far.
I am also, to a degree, a racial seperatist.
What is your point? Please post one.
Also, as a moderator I'd ask you not to cross post, and not to attempt to stir up flame wars."

But just like a miedieval little Christian he's censored reality to his own liking so that the general public would be none the wiser.

He left out what happened aftwerwards. Prime example, Gendanken asks the person in question what the fuck she meant by her (Xev) being a racist or a seperatist, her answer:

Now - races or ethnicities, at this point I don't give enough of a shit to explain the differentiation to the sheeple - obviously have different characters and traditions. Are those characters shared? Of course - we are humans first. It would be odd indeed if we didn't share many characteristics.

The current cultural trend is to take a bit of this and a bit of that from each culture. Ideology in the U.S, and increasing immigration in Europe, has led to a state in which the "universal human spirit" is simple marketing to the lowest common denominator.

I like diversity. Unlike the cocksuckers who celebrate diversity, I actually think that diversity is a good thing.
And for diversity to exist, distinction is necessary.

Thus, supporting distinction is necessary.

Read the last two lines. Only those hung up on traditional confines will continue getting worked up over semantics.

Also, the man left out this:

Xev: You're...tiresomely earnest. My Slavonic pride is to a great extent tounge in cheek - how you fail to notice this is quite beyond me. If I was the sort of person you attempt to caricature me as, then I would be prancing about talking about my superior Teutonic blood.

Heritage is something one is mindful of - it's hardly something one is truely proud of.



A hundred bucks to the man who brings me proof the girl is a bigot. Good luck.

Q:
I think Xev is a prophet - pure evil speaks thru her. Yum.

All hail Xev!
Chug some antifreeze, will you?

Actually gendanken it was this guy who said to make this thread:

This thread needs a poll.
So if you want to aim insults at somebody please be my guest and shoot at him.

Wellcookedfetus:

Take your mouse and click out of this thread.
Then dig for Rondolfo's thread and click on it.
Look up at the upper left corner.
Notice the locked symbol.


Rondolfo has an interest in being here and so do all those who wished to ban the moderator based on Randolfo's 'cute' evidence in his thread. Consider my presence here setting the record straight and demanding fair play since I cannot do so in a closed thread.

I'm not being insulting.

and why is it lock? Go look at the bottom of the last page. What's it say???

Yet another anti-Xev thread? I should begin keeping count.

Or would that take too long to entertain me?

-- Long live the Female Messiah!

Fetus:
and why is it lock? Go look at the bottom of the last page. What's it say???
*ahem*

It says, "This thread needs a poll"

And what the fuck this has to do with the reasons I just gave you for my being here are beyond me. Cosmically.

You wanted me to notice it was locked, I already did and when I noticed why I decided to do something about it.

I'm not here to Impeach Xev rather I just want to know how many others agree that she not exactly got all her marbles in the right place, if you know what I mean.

If you wish to state you claim that Xev should stay, that fine, but I’m not the one to attack about it.

Then pardon.

Now......uhhmm........well........................ ..fuck off.

(the fuck off is foil. I can't stand apologizing.)

Damn gendanken, angry much?

Persol,

Go here to see my theory on his behavior:
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=34607&page=4

Damnation Persol, how low is thy threshold?
Geez, lighten the fuck up.

EDIT:

Go here to see my theory on his behavior:

Who's behavior? Mine?

Interesting. But not as interesting as the theories supposedly there.

Allright...posting in the cool thread...i feel cool now...coolness

WCF - Futile effort. It will taken an act short of killing another human being for Xev to be removed from her position or get banned. Heck she may even get away with murder.

Gendanken - Yup...I agree.

Randolfo - To each his own.

Persol - ...

Sargentlard - Shut the fuck up...seriously

Threads like this serve no more purpose. We've been over this subject more than once, and the end result is the same. Xev has done no wrong (Unless you count murder and rape, but I'm not telling).

Sargentlard,
Heck she may even get away with murder.

What makes you think she hasn't?

Sargentlard - Shut the fuck up...seriously

No my lovely, speak all you want.

-- The Grand Dragon Gizzard

sargentlard,

I don't want her banned, I just want to know that at least the majority of the rest of use agree she a few cherries short of a fruit cake, if you know what I mean.

Well Cooked: Jobless?

I agree with you Randolfo,

Someone who publically agrees to being a racist and considers it her right to be so, should most definitely not be a moderator. It's akin to electing a KKK clan member to office. Moderating; censoring posts, editing, or deleting is quite trivial - anybody can do it. A true role of a moderator, is to set an example for other members.

Someone with the mentality and attitude of Xev, certainly does not set an example for other members. Unless of course, the members resonate at her mentality and subscribe to her attitude. I would not be surprised, if that was the case, by majority.

airavata,

It’s the weekend and I live in a collage dorm.

Someone who publically agrees to being a racist and considers it her right to be so, should most definitely not be a moderator. It's akin to electing a KKK clan member to office. Moderating; censoring posts, editing, or deleting is quite trivial - anybody can do it. A true role of a moderator, is to set an example for other members.


Indeed. I for instance really like Stryderunknown as a moderator. He is always helpful (even with stupid questions), and there is basically not a single bad thing I could say about him or how he leads his forum. Or how he behaves on sciforum in general.

Yep, thumbs up for Stryderunknown.

James R also does a very good job.

You know the funny thing though.... the most that comes of this thread is an impeachment... but not actually any action. Quite funny.

This makes no sense.


The populace hesitates to ban offendors like Whirlwind, while the numbers against Xev mount alarmingly?

I get the feeling that most folks respond "no" automatically to a ban poll, fearing that they too might have that lot one day, but, when it comes disagreeable, no-nonesense Xev, who has never actually committed any 'sciforums crimes', everybody has a vendetta...

There is no basis on which any action could be taken against Xev.

Personally, I think that Xev has said some things that people find offensive. But, this is an area for freedon of speech. What the hell, it's only a forum, it's not the end of the world. I am not for or against banning Xev.

Well, as far as I know being offensive and 'odd' is not against the rules (the cause of this ban poll). Spamming and baiting is (the cause of other ban polls).

Note:

This thread isn't for "banning" Xev.
It's a proposal for impeachment, not banishment.

shhsss... i don't think they know the difference

Impeaching is worse then banishing (as banished people usually find there way back, getting a mod job isn’t easy) By the way Xev is doing good in the poll: 16 people think she should stay and only 12 think she should go… but what really make me happy is that 18 people believe something wrong with her mentally, what vindication!

This is based on the thread by Randolfo that he forgot to place a poll on:
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=34724
Randolfo please state your evidence for why you think Xev should be impeached and this time try to get more and better evidence.


Her own words from, page 1, 3rd reply:
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=34460&page=1&pp=20

Xev
Moderator (8,196 posts) 04-01-04, 02:58 AM
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paulsamuel:
“ Xev, since the lack of human races is scientific certainty with many scientific publications confirming this, ”
........

I am indeed a racist. This is pretty much the only thing you've gotten right about me so far. I am also, to a degree, a racial seperatist. What is your point? Please post one.
Also, as a moderator I'd ask you not to cross post, and not to attempt to stir up flame wars.
my point is, that a racist should not be in charge of an open forum, there is no way that someone so childish & an avowed racist should be a moderator on a non-hate site. if she wants to host, post, moderate on some hitlerLove site, fine with me, but how can anyone trust her for being unbiased? fair? I don't believe in banning just for ideas, even if wrong, but she should not be one of the "elders of sciforums", sitting in judgement of us little peons. by her being in the status of "moderator", it implies fairness, impartiality, can she be a moderate moderator? have blacks been chased from this forum? are Mexicans next? BTW, ideas are one thing, we can disagree left & right, but you are born with black, white, brown, etc... characteristics, you can't do anything about that (unless you are Michael Jackson), but you can debate ideas, ideals, words, meanings. that is what an open forum is about, not hitlerLove, not hateTheJews, not some ol' hate site, let the haters go to Sieghiel, we need rational moderators

she can & should only be a regular member of Sciforums, part of the huddled masses

Sheesh do these threads never go away?


my point is, that a racist should not be in charge of an open forum, there is no way that someone so childish & an avowed racist should be a moderator on a non-hate site. if she wants to host, post, moderate on some hitlerLove site, fine with me, but how can anyone trust her for being unbiased? fair? I don't believe in banning just for ideas, even if wrong, but she should not be one of the "elders of sciforums", sitting in judgement of us little peons. by her being in the status of "moderator", it implies fairness, impartiality, can she be a moderate moderator? have blacks been chased from this forum? are Mexicans next? BTW, ideas are one thing, we can disagree left & right, but you are born with black, white, brown, etc... characteristics, you can't do anything about that (unless you are Michael Jackson), but you can debate ideas, ideals, words, meanings. that is what an open forum is about, not hitlerLove, not hateTheJews, not some ol' hate site, let the haters go to Sieghiel, we need rational moderators

she can & should only be a regular member of Sciforums, part of the huddled masses
Now I have had more than enough run-ins with Xev in the past and I don't see that changing in the future :p, however I'd like to ask a question. Has she, at any time discriminated against a member because of their colour? In her position as moderator, has she ever deleted posts, altered posts, etc because of the poster's colour or creed? Hmmm?

Do you even know who the coloured folks on this forum are?

For fucks sake this is ridiculous. She has claimed that she is a racist.... AS IN SHE BELIEVES IN RACIAL DISTINCTION.... AS IN SHE BELIEVES IN SEPERATIST IDEALS... AS IN SHE DOESN'T HATE ANY PARTICULAR RACE BUT LIKES THE NOTION OF DISTINCT RACIAL GROUPS... Did you even read what she posted afterwards?

I'm a person from a mixed background (black and white) and I've never been chased from these forums. Far from it. In fact I remember making a comment in a post to Xev about my heritage and she's never commented on it either. So what the fuck are you on about? I've never had Xev delete my posts or alter them because of my cultural heritage. But I guess you wouldn't notice since you're so busy trying to chase off the Muslim and gay members from this forum.

but you can debate ideas, ideals, words, meanings. that is what an open forum is about, not hitlerLove, not hateTheJews, not some ol' hate site, let the haters go to Sieghiel
Oh that is beyond rich coming from you. You who has been a busy fucking bee spreading his propoganda against Muslims and Gays all over the place. You bitch that she's claimed to be a racist, but at least she's honest enough to admit it. You on the other hand are quick to point the finger but refuse to look in the mirror. Hypocrite! Has she preached Hitler love? Hardly, I only saw her make very derogatory comments about Hitler. Has she claimed to hate the Jews? Yes, but she's also made claims in the past of hating all religions... so she hasn't discriminated there either. Too bad the same can't be said for you with your anti Muslim and anti gay sentiments. Lucky for the gays and Muslims on this board that you're not a moderator...

Crazymikey
Someone with the mentality and attitude of Xev, certainly does not set an example for other members. Unless of course, the members resonate at her mentality and subscribe to her attitude. I would not be surprised, if that was the case, by majority.
I wasn't aware that it was the moderator's job to be role models. They are like you and I, they have their faults. They are not perfect. They have rules and they moderate by those rules. If you want a role model, then you are in the wayyyyyyyy wrong place (no offence peoples :p). This is a forum where people who can read and write come to debate and discuss issues and facts. Sort of anyway ;).

I wasn't aware that it was the moderator's job to be role models. They are like you and I, they have their faults. They are not perfect. They have rules and they moderate by those rules. If you want a role model, then you are in the wayyyyyyyy wrong place (no offence peoples ). This is a forum where people who can read and write come to debate and discuss issues and facts. Sort of anyway .

I think you missed the point. I am not saying she should be a role model, I am saying she should set an example, so that others can follow. If the moderators are going to be racist, ignorant, offensive, then you will find the members are going to be the same. Why do you think Bill Clinton was impeached? On the same grounds; for being an irresponsible human being, when he really should have set an example for his people.

I wish to comment on this poll. I feel this poll is biased towards the non-impeachment of Xev, on the grounds that there are two options for her non impeachment, and only one for her impeachment. Therefore as WCF has done above, hes combined the totals for non impeachment(16) and proclaimed, "she is doing well" when in fact the majority opinion on the poll is FOR her impeachment.

By introducing the extra option, "She's a wako, but she's OK as a moderator" the designer of the poll is attempting to manipulate the voters. To me, it reads like this, "Come on folks she's a fine moderator, so click here"

It is not about wether she's a fine moderator, heck, a KKK clan member maybe a fine president and take the country places. It's about wether she as a human being, who is proud of being a racist, an evil society has fought for centuries, should be given such an authority and be placed higher than other people.

Another point I would to make. I feel this democratic system is flawed. Sometimes democracy is not the most optimal system of government, and it's verdict, not necessarily the correct choice. A public forum is one such place where it doesn't always work. Nonetheless, that is the case here, and me saying so, will not change this system, but I think there is something we could agree on: shouldn't the popular motion win by a majority? I think it's quite silly to pass a motion, when the variance is only 1 or 4 votes from the other motions.

Especially considering that some voters may not be unique. I am sure there are many members on this forum who have multiple accounts.

We have 18 members(that's quite a lot) of this forum who do not respect her, and only 11 who do. As the matter is very trivial, and considering that there are far better choices for the position of moderator, than Xev, I think(you do not have to agree) Xev's moderator role should be transferred to another member elected by the forum members.

This is just my 2 pennies. I have nothing more to say on the matter.

While some seem bedazzled by Xev (perhaps they're young, from a town where no ones swears) I find her predictable and boring, much like fifteen teenagers rolled into one. Obviously there's a person she likes to think she is, and person she'd like others to think she is, and this is where she's working it all out - creating herself.

It's the predictability that gives it away (though it's plenty transparent enough). People who are just being themselves can't help but give us all, and themselves, some surprises now and then. But instead, Xev delivers the same old, same old, time after time and you can bet Nietzsche will be in there somewhere.

crazymikey,
Another point I would to make. I feel this democratic system is flawed. Sometimes democracy is not the most optimal system of government, and it's verdict, not necessarily the correct choice.

So a democratic vote, that's more legit than the Electoral College, is flawed? Or are you just anti-American? I don't think you'd make a good mod then. How's about we make a standard set of rules for being a mod?

1. Must be over 21... Wait, the person in question could lie.
2. Must be an atheist... Wait, the person in question could lie.
3. Must be white... Wait, nobody would know.

So how can you tell whose white or black?

How do you know who’s best for the job; the people who are nominated and voted to power are the best ones for this job. They have proven that they're intelligent and capable of making sane judgments.

As someone here who can see what goes on behind the curtains; Xev hasn’t really made any bad calls. She’s done alright.

And I have to agree with Bells on this: Being a racial separatist is different than being is a racist.

-- The Grand Dragon Gizzard

I find Xev to be one of the saddest women on the planet. Having her as a moderator does only one thing to this forum, and it isn't positive.

When I read almost any of her messages, All i can see is a fat, or extremely ugly, middle class loser who hates the world because the world seeminlgy hates her. I rarely see her being nice at all.

I can picture her going to bed at night and reminding herself of all the people she's outwitted during the day, and smiling.
And i can picture all the people she's outwitted during the day going to sleep and wondering when she's going to change and become a social creature, or go on a diet, or get a nose job.

Seeming to be intelligent isn't everything Xev, it's not what makes us human.

I just pity her, and Gendanken.

Maybe they are just lesbians. On behalf of the entire hetero community, i'd like to say thank god they are....

It will taken an act short of killing another human being for Xev to be removed from her position or get banned. Heck she may even get away with murder.

Why would you presume that? I'm willing to withhold my veto on this one and abide by the community decision. Though, for the record, I used my singular vote against impeachment and I am entirely pleased with the job that Xev has done as moderator.

Randolfo,

You need evidence that she is a bad moderator, not a bad person. Already the majority of us agree she is evil, insane or just a bitch, but also the majority of us agree she is a good enough moderator to keep.

Every last one of you in here with no fucking clue how to diagram a word beyond lable should be shot and scalped with a butterknife.

Hyenas from the "Lion King"

Hyena one: That bitch is racist.
Hyena two: Whoa. Say that word again.
Hyena one: What word? Racist?
Hyena two: yeah that one...just the name makes my skin crawl.

Pause.

Hyena one: Racist........
Hyena two: OOhhhhh. Do it again.
Hyena one: RACIST!
Hyena two: OOOhhOOOHHhh..........
Hyena one: RACIST! RACIST! AND RACIST!
Hyena two: OOOOohhhhhhhh-OOOhhOOhhhhhh. It *tingles* me.

Nebuchadnezzar:
I just pity her, and Gendanken.

Maybe they are just lesbians. On behalf of the entire hetero community, i'd like to say thank god they are....

God you're fun.

Did you know my poop is common currency in Borneo?

Was that really in the lion king? I haven't been able to watch it ever since I saw it on bad acid and it freaked me out:(

Dr. Lou:
Was that really in the lion king? I haven't been able to watch it ever since I saw it on bad acid and it freaked me out
Surprise, surprise. Thought everything with furry, cutesy wootsey animalia in it gave you a hard on, so why the acid?

I hate the lion king. I hate disney.
The lion king just happened to come on showtime one time while I was on acid and it made me want to die.

"I was on acid"
OMG my role models are deviants.
:abandons all hope:

Dr. Lou:
The lion king just happened to come on showtime one time

For shame, doctor! One like you cannot afford splurging on Showtime when Jeff Corwin, Jeff Gordon, Steve Erwin, the Most Extreme and Animal Cops are blasting on Animal Planet and there's a Cesaar Marathon on the History channel.

What's wrong with you??!

while I was on acid and it made me want to die.
In that case, try watching some more.

Sheesh do these threads never go away?


Now I have had more than enough run-ins with Xev in the past and I don't see that changing in the future :p, however I'd like to ask a question. Has she, at any time discriminated against a member because of their colour? In her position as moderator, has she ever deleted posts, altered posts, etc because of the poster's colour or creed? Hmmm?
how do you know? how would anyone know for sure?

For fucks sake this is ridiculous. She has claimed that she is a racist.... AS IN SHE BELIEVES IN RACIAL DISTINCTION.... AS IN SHE BELIEVES IN SEPERATIST IDEALS... AS IN SHE DOESN'T HATE ANY PARTICULAR RACE BUT LIKES THE NOTION OF DISTINCT RACIAL GROUPS... Did you even read what she posted afterwards?
& you consider those good qualities, perfect role model? are you for separate but equal? do you want to go back to the time that schools of power, like Harvard & Yale only admitted elite whites? there's always Howard U, right?


I'm a person from a mixed background (black and white) and I've never been chased from these forums. Far from it. In fact I remember making a comment in a post to Xev about my heritage and she's never commented on it either. So what the fuck are you on about? I've never had Xev delete my posts or alter them because of my cultural heritage.
maybe she likes you? You cuss like her, so you must be her twin, why would she discriminate then?


But I guess you wouldn't notice since you're so busy trying to chase off the Muslim and gay members from this forum.
...
Oh that is beyond rich coming from you. You who has been ... spreading his propoganda against Muslims and Gays all over the place. You bitch that she's claimed to be a racist, but at least she's honest enough to admit it. You on the other hand are quick to point the finger but refuse to look in the mirror. ..
I'm not a moderator, as a just plain member, I have the right to speak out on any subject, whether you like it or not, or Xev. If you are muslim or join the gay lifestyles because of human choices, you can not erase your mixed heritage, unless you are rich like Michael Jackson (a probable self-hater)


. Lucky for the gays and Muslims on this board that you're not a moderator...
& you know one reason I would never apply, is because I will not back down on those issues. & it would be unfair on an open forum, I know that

how do you know? how would anyone know for sure? Well, Porf would know... and he has made his opinion clear.

Why would you presume that? I'm willing to withhold my veto on this one and abide by the community decision. Though, for the record, I used my singular vote against impeachment and I am entirely pleased with the job that Xev has done as moderator.
and how do you know she has been fair? do people just leave the forum because of her, without complaining? should an open forum be moderated by two avowed racists? Xev & CounselCoffee? I don’t think so, relegate them to the masses, give someone else a chance, or is it such a thankless job, that no one will volunteer?

when Jeff Corwin, Jeff Gordon, Steve Erwin, the Most Extreme and Animal Cops are blasting on Animal Planet
You just listed the only animal planet programs I don't watch.
I think you just wish I sucked.

And why do you want me to die gendanken? So you can freely go around telling lies about the animal kingdom to suit your agenda perhaps?
Well I'm afraid I can't let that happen. I AM the animal cops:cool:

Randolfo,

You need evidence that she is a bad moderator, not a bad person. Already the majority of us agree she is evil, insane or just a bitch, but also the majority of us agree she is a good enough moderator to keep.
shucks, if being an avowed racist isn't good enough to be dethroned, then I don't know what is,

some tips:
http://www.emoderators.com/moderators.shtml
http://www.well.com/confteam/hosting.html

I have a thing for brunettes. Does that mean I'm wouldn't be allowed to be a mod? Unless her opinions infulene her judgements (and you can show it) then this is pointless.

Races: gotta keep 'em seperated. :)

how do you know? how would anyone know for sure?

I'd just like to know how anyone on here can know someone's colour unless they are told. Tell me something, do coloured folk write in a certain manner that distinguishes them from others? I can state that not once have I ever seen her discriminate because of colour or creed when she was moderating.

& you consider those good qualities, perfect role model? are you for separate but equal? do you want to go back to the time that schools of power, like Harvard & Yale only admitted elite whites? there's always Howard U, right?
I don't know, you tell me. You constantly discriminate against Gays and Muslims in this forum, so you're the expert on the separatist ideals. Have I at any time stated that I wish to be discriminated against or banned from schools, buses, restaurants, etc because of my colour or heritage? Twit! Do you not get it. That's not what she meant. From having read her posts on the matter it is obvious that she meant it in the mating notion. As in each race should strive to remain distinct from each other, thereby retaining their strength. I don't find such thoughts to be racist and I'm a coloured person. Tell me something, if you're so into the equality ideal, would you accept if your child converts to Islam to marry a Muslim? From what I've read of your posts, you'd probably have a fit. Hypocrite.

maybe she likes you? You cuss like her, so you must be her twin, why would she discriminate then?
Are you going through your delusional phase again? Really, that would have to be one of the funniest things you've said.

I'm not a moderator, as a just plain member, I have the right to speak out on any subject, whether you like it or not, or Xev. If you are muslim or join the gay lifestyles because of human choices, you can not erase your mixed heritage, unless you are rich like Michael Jackson (a probable self-hater)
Well guess what numbnuts, Xev is just an ordinary member when she participates in other forums that are NOT the philosophy forum. Therefore she can be just as discriminatory as you if she chooses in those other forums. So therefore, like you, she has a right to speak out on any subject if she so chooses, especially when she's participating in another forum at the time. The comments she made were not racist as one would say a racist like BigD is. She's commented on being a supporter of racial diversity. I know many white and black people who feel the same as she.

You think being Gay or a Muslim is a human or lifestyle choice? Tell me something, is it a lifestyle choice for you to be a bigotted dumb redneck? Ok, now I'm going to curse like Xev apparently. You're a Dickhead!

And have I at any time given the inclination that I'd like to erase my mixed heritage? Again, you're a dickhead!

& you know one reason I would never apply, is because I will not back down on those issues. & it would be unfair on an open forum, I know that
No you would not apply because you know that no one would really vote for you.

Dr. Lou:
I think you just wish I sucked.
Ha!

In the same vein as I wished Spookz was a cunt, that I wished Wraith was a pathetic piece of asshole, that I wish all my lessers here stop not liking my charming personality and get chummy whummy with me.
Sure.

And why do you want me to die gendanken? So you can freely go around telling lies about the animal kingdom to suit your agenda perhaps?
No, so I can have someone else try translating my few cliche terms from foreign lanuages when I'm not fucking dogs. Remember?

and that you know nothing other than a few cliche terms from foreign languages and how to fuck dogs. - Lou

Speaking of which: Entonces este placer de apachurrar toda la sangre de tu cuerpo y tomarla en una copa de oro como vino- where does that come from, a maxim?

Well I'm afraid I can't let that happen. I AM the animal cops
Then why do you know so little about pachyderms?

and how do you know she has been fair? do people just leave the forum because of her, without complaining? should an open forum be moderated by two avowed racists? Xev & CounselCoffee? I don’t think so, relegate them to the masses, give someone else a chance, or is it such a thankless job, that no one will volunteer?

There's no way I'd volunteer to moderate either Philosophy or World Events.

I'd prefer Science and Society. It's peaceful, and happy.

Unlike you, Christian.
I think you should relegate yourself to Hell.







Time for my PM impression:

!!!!!!!! :rolleyes: !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd just like to know how anyone on here can know someone's colour unless they are told. Tell me something, do coloured folk write in a certain manner that distinguishes them from others? I can state that not once have I ever seen her discriminate because of colour or creed when she was moderating. .
while you can be anonymous on the net, your preferences are not always so invisible, someone can follow your posts & guess at it, so, by your spelling, I'm guessing that you are Brit (or brit influenced), right or wrong?

I don't know, you tell me. You constantly discriminate against Gays and Muslims in this forum, so you're the expert on the separatist ideals. .
what? You been following me around? Stalking? me discriminate? Not hardly, is ‘opposing viewpoint’ considered discrimination where you come from? Or do you mean it in a broader way, like not liking pastels or earth colors? Are you gay, why do you care what I say or believe in? Are you muslim?

Have I at any time stated that I wish to be discriminated against or banned from schools, buses, restaurants, etc because of my colour or heritage? Twit! Do you not get it. .
you apparently don’t. what does racial separation mean to you? you are of mixed heritage, why? What happened to no racial mixing? Naughty, naughty, must not do that! The fuehrer will be mad, all that mating notion

That's not what she meant. From having read her posts on the matter it is obvious that she meant it in the mating notion. As in each race should strive to remain distinct from each other, thereby retaining their strength. .
what is this “mating notion”? What? You can call me x-rated names, but get shy about sexual topics? Why? did you blush when you wrote that? What's the psychology behind that? Are you ashamed you were born? what, with all that mating notion going on between the races, naughty, naughty! What is this “retaining their strength” stuff? That sounds awful racist to me? You just gave me the two best laughs today, “mating notion” & “retaining their strength”, you’re a barrel of laughs

I don't find such thoughts to be racist and I'm a coloured person. .
are you really? For all we know, you’re Xev’s boyfriend, from across the street.

Tell me something, if you're so into the equality ideal, would you accept if your child converts to Islam to marry a Muslim? . actually, if after having listened to me for 18 years they do that, it’s up to them, I have believed since I was 18, that its up to the parents to do the best they can to raise their kids, after that, its up to the kids, I was ready & on my own at 18, I made my choices, learned from my mistakes, not perfect, I have a few lumps from the school of hard knocks


From what I've read of your posts, you'd probably have a fit. Hypocrite..
yeah I would, but they would know that I still love them, the true sign of a cult, is that they make you hate your parents, abandon your roots, etc.


Are you going through your delusional phase again? Really, that would have to be one of the funniest things you've said. . I’m glad I keep you laughing


Well guess what numbnuts, Xev is just an ordinary member when she participates in other forums that are NOT the philosophy forum. Therefore she can be just as discriminatory as you if she chooses in those other forums. . no, she isn’t, this follows her everywhere:
From:
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=33388

sciforums.com > Science > Human Science
Femininity and schitzophrenia

Xev
Moderator (8,203 posts)

Femininty is a state of continual artiface

So therefore, like you, she has a right to speak out on any subject if she so chooses, especially when she's participating in another forum at the time. The comments she made were not racist as one would say a racist like BigD is. .
BigD racist? How can you tell the diff between the two, is there a little line she hasn’t crossed? Where is it, will we know when she does? Can you be paler shades of racist?

She's commented on being a supporter of racial diversity. I know many white and black people who feel the same as she.. good for her, that’s two things we have in common

You think being Gay or a Muslim is a human or lifestyle choice? Tell me something, is it a lifestyle choice for you to be a bigotted dumb redneck? .
actually, Mexicans can’t be rednecks, both literally & figuratively. I’m overly sensitive about both overt & subtle racism, after living in the US Mid-West

Ok, now I'm going to curse like Xev apparently. You're a Dickhead! .
such command of the English language, Shakespeare would be proud! The Royal Navy needs you, swagger proud little lady!

And have I at any time given the inclination that I'd like to erase my mixed heritage? Again, you're a dickhead! .
I was only giving an example, did I get to close to the truth?

No you would not apply because you know that no one would really vote for you.
you hurt my feelings, so hurt

Femininty is a state of continual artiface

How DARE you preserve my spelling mistakes, you bad person you!

How does that thread, of all my threads, show me to be a neo-Nazi? Are there neo-Nazi Butlerites prancing about somewhere? Neo-Nazi Foucaultian feminists traipsing around in their replica SS uniforms while they seig heil? Perhaps Bartky wears a little totenkopf under her shirt?

This is just further proof that Christianity:

A: Attracts morons
B: Done makes 'em stupider!

while you can be anonymous on the net, your preferences are not always so invisible, someone can follow your posts & guess at it, so, by your spelling, I'm guessing that you are Brit (or brit influenced), right or wrong?
LMAO! Way wrong. Way way wrong. Didn't you read before when I stated that I come from French, Dutch and African ancestry. Now how you would have picked me as a Brit is highly amusing.

what? You been following me around? Stalking? me discriminate? Not hardly, is ‘opposing viewpoint’ considered discrimination where you come from? Or do you mean it in a broader way, like not liking pastels or earth colors? Are you gay, why do you care what I say or believe in? Are you muslim?
Following you around? Don't flatter yourself. But I've read enough of your posts to see you discriminate against others. Opposing viewpoint is hardly discrimination. One could also say that Xev's point would be classified as an opposing viewpoint... hmmm?

you apparently don’t. what does racial separation mean to you? you are of mixed heritage, why? What happened to no racial mixing? Naughty, naughty, must not do that! The fuehrer will be mad, all that mating notion
Racial separation to me means more to the fact that some believe that races should not mix. Now you appear to think that I agree with that, I do not. But I also do not think that Xev's comments were racist. Many black people (women especially) dislike it when black men marry white women, because they see it as a dilution of their race. Japanese society is known to have similar beliefs, as are white people, Chinese, etc, etc.

All ethnic groups wish to retain their diversity. Are you telling me that as a Mexican you'd rather not retain your diversity or see the Mexican ethnic group maintain their existence? I know that where I'm from, we cherish our ethnic diversity amongst the masses. I don't disagree with multiculturalism, but I also agree that diversity and racial distinction within all society's are to be respected and enjoyed. How boring and horrible would it be if we were all the same? Hell, even Governments around the world celebrate ethnic diversity of its people. The notion of strength within each race is not racist at all. Black people see it as something to be proud of, their features and culture is a strength to them and they too do not wish that to be lost.

are you really? For all we know, you’re Xev’s boyfriend, from across the street.
And for all I know you're just a mental patient who's been given access to the internet in the mental asylum.

actually, Mexicans can’t be rednecks, both literally & figuratively. I’m overly sensitive about both overt & subtle racism, after living in the US Mid-West
And after coming from a country where people of colour have to sit in the back and have to stand by in any store if a white person walks in first because they must be served first as a general social rule, I too am overly sensitive to racism. However I don't find her comments in this instance to be racist. From what I've read, she's a racial separatist... there's a big difference.

From the Xev thread: Link (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=34460&page=3&pp=20)

I like diversity. Unlike the cocksuckers who celebrate diversity, I actually think that diversity is a good thing.

I'm not a bigot, the Klan strikes me as a group of pathetic Christians trying to recapture their sense of privledge, I abhor Nazism, if I have any sympathy to fascism it's that on the Italian model. That said, I am not a fascist. I am a racist, but I am not a white supremicist and I've known nonwhites whom I considered to be on my own intellectual level.


Now please tell me, where in that comment has she discriminated against another race? Where does she state that the white race is superior to others (in the manner in which BigD has continuously been doing so)? In fact from her statement there she is more on par with you. I happen to like ethnic diversity. I'm proud of my diverse background. Ask anyone of any race and they'd tell you that they are proud of the fact that they have their background. Why do you claim anyone who comments on that racist?

I am a racist, but I am not a white supremicist and I've known nonwhites whom I considered to be on my own intellectual level.

Let us brake this down:

part1:

I am a racist:

racism
1.The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2.Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Since Xev is such an intellectual (it is suggested by herself in the second part of the message) we have to assume she knows what it means to be a racist. We are however so fortunate that she isn't a fascist! We are a lucky bunch here. Hoorah, she is only a racist and not a fascist!

part 2:

I've known nonwhites whom I considered to be on my own intellectual level.

How adorable. Some non-whites (could that be a reference to race?) can even manage to reach her intellectual level! It is almost the same as seeing a monkey read war and peace. No, that is not racist at all. It is celebrating diversity.

'Celebrating diversity' must be a new euphemism for racism.

No, fuck off with your stupid excuses. She is a fucking racist.

Monkey : Assumption is the easiest thing of all.
Youve read her post yet you're fixated on that one word : racist.
Everything is black and white for you isn't it?
Ever bothered to understand what she says?
Or maybe just jealous?
Or maybe just jobless.

spurious:
Let us brake this down:

Might help to break it down, too.

Since Xev is such an intellectual (it is suggested by herself in the second part of the message) we have to assume she knows what it means to be a racist. We are however so fortunate that she isn't a fascist! We are a lucky bunch here. Hoorah, she is only a racist and not a fascist!

Since Xev has two neurons to string into a synapse, she knows that words are dynamic creations. 'Racism' means something now than it did forty, fifty years ago. It will mean something different in the next fifty years.
Deal with it.

How adorable. Some non-whites (could that be a reference to race?) can even manage to reach her intellectual level!

Believe me cumdumpster, not most whites can manage that one.
Then again, going by the numbers Northern Asiatics are probably smarter than whites. See why I'm an elitist and not an idiot cumdumpster who cannot comprehend simple matters of language? You've claimed to be white, and yet you're a complete bloody idiot.

No, fuck off with your stupid excuses. She is a fucking racist.

DUH! It's not like my SAYING THAT I AM cleared anything up.
I can't sleep.
Watch, in two posts you'll be screaming something like:

"See! Xev can't sleep, I just proved it!"

You are just pathetic. It is about time you realize it yourself.

'Celebrating diversity' must be a new euphemism for racism.

Really? So when you see each culture celebrating their cultural and ethnic diversity, do you go up to them and tell them they're racist? When Governments of mulitcultural countries have special days where ethnic groups within their country are encouraged to share their ethnic difference and diversity with the rest of the population, that's racism? Hell I'll have to remind myself of that next time I go to one of these festivals.

racism
1.The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2.Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Has she stated that any particular race is superior to another though? Has she discriminated or prejudiced against others in here because of their race while moderating? I've seen her discriminate against others for all sorts of things while moderating, but never for race. I'm the last person to make excuses for her.. believe me... but I keep asking this question and no one has yet provided an answer. Has she while moderating in her forum discriminated against another member because of their race... has she altered, deleted posts because of the posters race? If yes, then she should not be a moderator. If no, then I guess we're all arguing for nothing.

Look at BigD as an example of racism. He's been sitting and repeatedly posting about how whites are superior to blacks. He I'd call a racist.

So I'm a racist for declaring that I'm proud of my diverse racial ancestry? I'm a racist because I'm happy to be different or that I'm proud of that difference? Give me a break spurious, I always expected better from you. Black women have been accusing white women of stealing black men.. thereby reducing the survival of the African American racial or ethnic group. Are they racist as well or worried that their ethnicity or race is disappearing? Japanese people are indoctrinated with maintaining their ethnicity and diversity, are they racist as well?

Please, I've been the victim of racism all my life and I've studied racism and its effects for a better part of my life. Half the people here wouldn't know racism if it came and bit them on the arse.

Please, I've been the victim of racism all my life and I've studied racism and its effects for a better part of my life. Half the people here wouldn't know racism if it came and bit them on the arse.

Claiming personal authority doesn't make you right.

"You are just pathetic. It is about time you realize it yourself. '

Compared to a weakling like you? A Christian? Good one.

Races: gotta keep 'em seperated. :)

What do you mean by that? please elaborate

Compared to a weakling like you?

Who is hiding here behind some pseudo-intellectual front? Could it be you?

A Christian? Good one.

I'm a christian?...funny...

Xev stays moderating is still winning by 5 votes, still have 55 more votes to go, those of you that really want it try just a little harder. Xev try to look nicer and sane, your position is on the line.

Xev looks only like everything she is meant to block...

useless posts that only insult.
Direct offences at religions...
Abusive and unconstructive critisim...

It all seems like a pretty pathetic discussion.

Actually I think the 2nd poll choice is unnecessary and inherently biased, so I would ignore it completely. So Xev is actually losing by 6 votes.

how so?

it's 21/25

If one the 100 votes have come in and Xev remains because of the 2nd vote option, but would have lost if it was not their then we can let Porfiry decide. I don’t see what bias about it, she might be crazy but I have seen her being a very good moderator at times.

On the grounds that it attempts to manipulate the voter wth the subtle suggestion, "She's a OK moderator", and on the grounds, there are two options for her non-impeachment.

It's irrelavant to the central question, if we think she's a wako.

The designer of the poll is clearly biassed to Xev, and is trying to make sure, she wins.

If one the 100 votes have come in and Xev remains because of the 2nd vote option, but would have lost if it was not their then we can let Porfiry decide. I don’t see what bias about it, she might be crazy but I have seen her being a very good moderator at times.

I guess that is fair enough. However what makes you think there will be 100 votes? There should be a time limit on the poll, rather than a vote count.

Really? So when you see each culture celebrating their cultural and ethnic diversity, do you go up to them and tell them they're racist? When Governments of mulitcultural countries have special days where ethnic groups within their country are encouraged to share their ethnic difference and diversity with the rest of the population, that's racism? Hell I'll have to remind myself of that next time I go to one of these festivals.

I think he was referring to "celebrating diversity" in a "separate but equal" sort of manner. I have seen that phrase used many times in such a context. I can provide examples if you wish.

Has she while moderating in her forum discriminated against another member because of their race... has she altered, deleted posts because of the posters race? If yes, then she should not be a moderator. If no, then I guess we're all arguing for nothing.

The answer to your question is no, not to my knowledge. However, I believe the issue is of moderators representing the site by their own actions. Moderators like Congrats, goofyfish, James R., stryderunknown, tiassa, Tristan, wet1 are people who properly perform their moderation duties and generally serve as examples of exemplary conduct. As was mentioned earlier, it is relatively easy to moderate posts, as such, one of the few traits to evaluate a moderator by is their conduct.

So I'm a racist for declaring that I'm proud of my diverse racial ancestry?

No. Reread the definition. Do you believe that your race makes you a person of superior character or ability when compared to other racial groups, and is this decision made solely upon the basis of race? If not, you're not a racist according to the definition.

I'm a racist because I'm happy to be different or that I'm proud of that difference? Give me a break spurious, I always expected better from you.

See above. Also, try to stop interpreting statements in such a negative manner.

[QUOTE=Bells]Please, I've been the victim of racism all my life and I've studied racism and its effects for a better part of my life. Half the people here wouldn't know racism if it came and bit them on the arse.

Half the people here most likely have never been subject to negative racial stereotypes.

Randolfo raise two questions for me, "is she sane?" and "should she be moderator"? So I merged both. I guess I should have had 4 questions to make it even.
1."Yes, Impeach her, she is crazy"
2."Yes, Impeach her she is not crazy, just a jerk"
3. "NO, do not Impeach her. She a good mod, just crazy"
4. "NO, do not Impeach her. She alright as a person and a moderator"

That that would also be unnecessary -

The question is rather simple:

Do you want Xev to be impeached?

1: Yes, Xev is not fit to be a moderator
2: No, Xev is a OK moderator

That would be a completely fair and sensible poll. In fact, we could have still have that poll, by just ignoring option 2.

That still does not cover how I wanted to separate questions answered.

That would be a completely fair and sensible poll. In fact, we could have still have that poll, by just ignoring option 2.

What would you do about the people that voted for option 2? They cannot vote again.

The true intent of the options are inside the parentheses. The seperation between choice 2 and 3 is merely an addition of humor. IMO.

I agree with Mikey - if everyone who was a whacko were impeached or banned, he would have been gone a long time ago.

What would you do about the people that voted for option 2? They cannot vote again.

Yes, I understand that. The poll is already up now, and there is no use, making a more fair one. However the 2nd option serves little purpose, than show, that the voters feel Xev is a very flawed person.

I think it is only fair, we use option 1 and 3 and compare the both. While leaving option 2 as some extra information for the admin to come to a verdict.

From the poll it turns out 32 members do not consider Xev to be a good person. That's more than double the amount, that do consider her a good person. Hence, this data would suggest that more than twice do not think highly of Xev. It thus does not bode well for all when such a person is a moderator. In some ways it gives people the lee-way to be just as irresponsible.

I thought you said you were not going to use the second question?

No, we should not use option 2. However, as it's already there, and some people have voted for it - it could be of some use as extra information on what people feel, leaving the verdict in the admin's hands. Either that, or we just completely ignore option 2, and ask people not to vote for it anymore.

Mikey sez:

From the poll it turns out 32 members do not consider Xev to be a good person.

The poll says nothing about how good a person Xev is - where did you glean that nonsense from?

I think this will cause controversy if one side can win over the other once the needed 100 votes come in. I think my poll will be screwed to debate unless the “Impeach Xev” votes reaches 51 before the other 2 combined do. Maybe I should ask to have this poll closed, and new very simple and serious 2 question on be made.

Also.. the question says "Should Xev be impeached" - the second choice says "yes" at first.. but the result means do not impeach. I am sure someone has been "tricked" by that. It might help to close this poll and start a new on with only two choices. And the two choices should read "Yes, Xev should be impeached" and "No, Xev should not be impeached."

From the poll it turns out 32 members do not consider Xev to be a good person.

Perhaps, but just because someone does not like Xev does not mean that person thinks Xev is doing a bad job at moderating the forums. Make sure you keep the two seperate...

Ok I argee I fuck up, I'll try to close it on the grounds that it is not a well design poll for such a serious subject.

Maybe she should be limited her power of Mod.

Maybe she should be limited her power of Mod.

What sense would that make? Limiting mod power? How would that happen?
You're either a mod or you're not.
Plus we need a complete poll + authorisation of Porfiry.
What sense does limiting her mod power make?

Indeed, being a moderator is a boolean thing. Let's keep it simple, folks.

Best to my knowledge (I could be wrong though), Xev was once a member of PhilosophyForums.Com.

Why she left I have no clue, but she has never (since then) been talked about in a positive manner......... ;)

Xev is a wacko, but an entertaining wacko with a good sense of humor whose posts I've always enjoyed. No reason to discriminate against wackos, she can be a good moderator.

Does anyone actually have evidence of her abusing power, or is it as it seems to be just a bunch of people who don't like her deciding that people they personally don't like shouldn't be moderators?

What sense would that make? Limiting mod power? How would that happen?
You're either a mod or you're not.
Plus we need a complete poll + authorisation of Porfiry.
What sense does limiting her mod power make?
Okay fine then ummmmm, then keep her as a MOD. I think she is doing a good job.

Look, I enjoyed every lurid minute of the Clinton impeachment. Could we please have a nice big fat scandal about xev? Otherwise :o
I'll be forced into Freak Thoughts again.

Best to my knowledge (I could be wrong though), Xev was once a member of PhilosophyForums.Com.

Why she left I have no clue, but she has never (since then) been talked about in a positive manner......... ;)
Alas BMW.. not all have left.. some of us still remain ;)

While I find it highly flattering to be considered a "whacko", none have explained what - precisely - makes me one.

Enlighten a girl.

By the way, I cannot be blamed for my whackiness. This is the fault of the communications satellites controlled by the Mossad which are beaming telegraphic messages into my pineal gland.

Xev,
While I find it highly flattering to be considered a "whacko", none have explained what - precisely - makes me one.

You're a racist that doesn't hate black people; you're a fucking lunatic!

-- The Grand Dragon Gizzard

Shut up Gizzard, I don't hate the coloreds, I just find their funky beats and jiving grooves to be distracting. That's why I wear this conical white hat.

How dare you turn against me! I made you, Xev. You wouldn't be wearing that white hat if I wasn't around. I'm the Grand-fucking-Dragon. Deal with it.

-- THE GRAND DRAGON GIZZARD

You two both sound as though you're part of the tin foil hat brigade :p.

I think thats the idea

Xev is a wacko, but an entertaining wacko with a good sense of humor whose posts I've always enjoyed. No reason to discriminate against wackos, she can be a good moderator.

Does anyone actually have evidence of her abusing power, or is it as it seems to be just a bunch of people who don't like her deciding that people they personally don't like shouldn't be moderators?

Hi Mr. Paul.............

Your avatar and comments on in the shoutbox give you away......not that you were trying to hide from me anyways..........

I just think Ms. Xev is a "Wild-Woman"---kind of like the female version of Baron Max. But, that's what makes her so cool.;)

Hi Mr. Paul.............

Your avatar and comments on in the shoutbox give you away......not that you were trying to hide from me anyways..........

I just think Ms. Xev is a "Wild-Woman"---kind of like the female version of Baron Max. But, that's what makes her so cool.;)
Could it be?
Is that Paul, that fat pig masking as an intellectual to hide his stupidity?
Is that, that thin-skinned moron that has no place running a ‘Philosophy Forum’?
Is that that ‘administrator who’s idea of philosophy is continuously repeating old philosophies and asking the same old tired questions- Is there free-will?, Is there a God?- in a mundane loop of non-creativity?
Ghosts from the past.
He’s banning his way into oblivion.
Baron Max, now there’s a name from the past. A trailer-trash, Texan twerp from what I can recall.
Ah, good times….. good times.

Hey, I still like Mr. Paul. He didn't ban me because I broke the rules. Instead, he banned me because my posting (in quality and quantity) was getting out of control.

While I really hope I'll be able to rejoin PhilosophyForums some day, I don't think he'll let me.

Besides--what do you have against him anyways? ;)

I banned myself from philosophy forums because its painfully boring. The thread titles are decieving, its like 'thats an interesting topic... wow I really want to hurt these people'
Every single time. I feel like a weasel with an egg taped to my back when I'm at that place.

Very true............

But, I feel so lonely and out-of-place here--PhilosophyForums is my home....

I miss PhilosophyForums *crying uncontrolably*! :(


Say, tell those guys to get a "crying emoticon". I could use one right now...... :D ;)

Fuck you Coffee, if you're not nice to me, I won't let you be MR unter-Nieselregen-fuhrerin!

Wanderer:
Paul is Hoth. BMW-Guy is someone else.

Lou:
Place bored the shit out of me. Incredibly polite, no substance at all - you'd see a thread about Kant, but they're not discussing Kant, they're arguing over someone's regurgitation of Kant.

A while back, there was a complaint filed by the departed spookz: Xev vetting posts critical of her position (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=32256). He was banned as a result, and the reason given was that he was inflaming the moderators. I found such explanations bullocks. Spookz presented evidence that showed Xev had deleted posts not because they were inflammatory or broke the rules, but rathre because they ridiculed her point. This was a direct abuse of her power. To make matters worse, she lied about it to Porfiry who for some inexplicable reason, sided with Xev. Now, the masses have supposedly been given the power to vote on her losing her rights as moderator. I highly doubt that the result will be any different, as Counsler WILL create multiple names to vote in favour of Xev. Nevertheless..

It is my view that Xev is not suitable to be a moderator, and she wants to attain the position merely because of the status that accompanies it. The philososphy forum does not require that much moderation to begin with, but this is principle.

I have heard arguments that although a self proclaimed racist, she is fit to be a moderator because she does not allow her beliefs to affect her moderation. That is utter nonsense. Refer to the link above, refer to this WANDERER's Beware of the Greeks thread and many others where she insults and belittles other races. Of course she is entitled to her views; I quite frankly don't give a shit what she thinks about race. The fact remains however that she is a moderator, and as the name infers, must present the image of laying in the middle when there exist passionate issues. It is this very reason why you won't find a Sharon mediating or moderating a bloody peace deal between the Palestinians and the Jews. Not because he is Jew, but rather because he presents, acknowledges, and acts with the mindset of a "jew" that "hates" the palestinians-- at least as an image.

So, forget that she is merely a stated racist-- she is a moderator; a moderator should not be an acknowledged racist when there exists members of different races within this forum. And more importantly, She HAS abused her rights before by deleting posts that did not align with her beliefs.

Nein, for the record, his posts were deleted because they were off topic and designed to provoke that sort of response.

*Sigh*
Why can't coloreds learn to follow rules?

What nonsense. You deleted my posts and then lied about putting them back. In what ways were mine off topic or designed to inflame?

Why does this moron insist on pathetic attempts at scarcasm to make a "joke"? Better question, why do stupid, insecure, bitches always attempt to attach?

I highly doubt that the result will be any different, as Counsler WILL create multiple names to vote in favour of Xev. Nevertheless..

Complete bullshit! Any mod here can check for multiple accounts. They will find none under my name. Goofy can check all this out if he wants to.

If you find me to be such a bad mod, then start an “Impeach Coffee” thread.

-- The Grand Dragon Gizzard

Xev
Wanderer:
Paul is Hoth. BMW-Guy is someone else.
I know Xev. That's what I said.
I take this opportunity to say that Paul [Hoth]-if it is truly him- , the administrator of that other Forum, is a snivelling twit and a complete imbecile, who’s idea of philosophical discourse is the endless repetition and re-evaluation of pre-established positions and who can spend decades talking about the same old shit in the same old way, only as a true sophists can, without ever, ever using these ideas for practical uses. He’s a fat, stupid moron, who’s only sense of living is found through the feeling of power he feels as Forum ‘God’.
This retarded hippopotamus thinks he’s thinking when he’s only repeating what he read in books and this he perceives as creative thinking.
This ignorant, nationalistic, automaton, who feels offended by any reference to his ‘country’ in a negative way, as only the basest of human animal still stuck in tribalism can, has the audacity to consider himself worthy of running a philosophy Forum when he shouldn't even be running his mouth;there in that Forum this parrot censors and bans any idea or ideal that reminds him of what a pathetic idiot he is or any individual that uncovers the hidden secrets of his loser life for all to see.
This twit banned me because of my ‘What about Bob?’ thread and so ensured that his eyes would not be soiled by anything that caused him anxiety or made him fear that he is just a sick, fat moron. In so doing he makes sure that that Forum, he calls a philosophical one, will only be populated by individuals like him.
I say we ban this disease before he infects us all.
Forget Xev let’s tar and feather this pseudo-intellectual pig.
Better yet, let’s keep him around so I can have my vengeance.

Change of subject:
Jesus Xev, how many guys have you turned down with your pm’s?
Look now they seek retribution for your scorn and rejection.
Give them a chance, let the monkeys play.

Lets start a totalitarian section in this forum where only our views matter and we moderate everything. That way we can unburden the multitude of their most pitiful errors, until at last their posts are refined to an acceptable art. Cull and create, destroy and refine. Brainwash and indoctrine, one by one.

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Oh come on peoples......................

Are we going to start calling people names, and talk nasty about them? :bugeye: ;)

Mr. Paul is not that bad.......................

Here's a tip:

In design, when we can't find a solution, we brainstorm. Not drainstorm.

Here's my pitch, one of two:

1) Either this thread is just a watering hole and the problem being exhibited here is who's got the tightest hole, or you're pooling for membership to the Advanced Marketing Automation pack. Then expect more excruciatingly witty exchanges between the Reader's Digest type and the Good Housekeeping type.

Phrrrrrrrrrrr-plop.

BUT! I think it has more to do with the watering hole.

So–

2) Obviously, she'll never be exiled. So to those who are allergic to her wind, expect to pinch your noses when obliged to be in her proximity. (I sympathize, truly, that your slurping from water holes will be a torment. Perhaps a straw will do, I don't know.)

Solution? Why not simply fix the lovely fugly thing with another equally fickly fugly who will typically flap her antediluvian flatness when she's being flippantly too blat?

The chosen ideal should be a kindred spirit in flash and vogue. (To maintain, you understand, the forum's genre attraction for the wandering fools from cyberspace to feed a demanding Google subscribers' hit-count.) The cohort, preferably male 'cuz the unfemale Vex is constantly in heat, will be expected to tolerate her arm-pit stench only to administer a necessary device to the unfemale so as to, uhn, redeem Porfiry's good name, and, so, move the horde along.

Why not just appoint the chick with a fuckin' mate, huh? Fair enough? A myrmidon perhaps but one who will certainly find any excuse to bang her ass shut 'cuz of a dud fetish for flat asses.

I appoint uncle Wanderer! The gigolo in search of a free 'inspiration'.

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Vex: you called me a dwarf between the lines, just last week I think it was. Remember Zarathustra in Of the Flies of the Market-place?

The people have little idea of greatness, that is to say: creativeness. But they have a taste for all presenters and actors of great things.

76543210

I like "Wonder-Woman" Xev. ;)

WANDERER - Nice to see you haven't changed a bit. ;) Interesting how you project me into such a larger-than-life role in your personal world, as though I'm somehow controlling your whole life. Apparently the concept of me is haunting you somehow despite of my lack of interest in doing so. I suppose your insecurities aren't my concern, but I nevertheless apologize for the anguish you are enduring. I guess the main issue must be that you feel I wounded your "he who shouts the loudest gets some odd sort of prize" life philosophy which you've no doubt expanded upon in your deeply insightful and popular books which I'm sure you are about to note are available on amazon... so to help repair my damage to your psyche I will reassure you that if you shout just a bit louder that'll solve everything and force the universe to conform to the way you like to convince yourself it is. You are a powerful wolf, I am sheep, I cringe before your vengance. There, are you feeling at least a little less intimidated? Well, we can work on this more later.

By the way, seeing as how I have 380 posts and was at this site more than two years ago, I'm afraid the infection probably already set in before you came here. You ought to be well aware of this, considering it was me who emailed you a link to sciforums when I banned you, suggesting that you would enjoy posting here (that's ok, you can thank me later :)). Anyhow, be careful and check with your doctor, you may have contracted the infection already as it's been known to lie dormant for years before symptoms show up. One day, you may wake up and without any warning find youself arguing points based on their merit rather than pure emotion... would be a sad day indeed.

Hoth
You pathetic fat pig.
Thanks for this link; I appreciate it.
How’s that boring shit-hole of yours.
Still haven’t banned every ounce of interest out of it I hope.
Still posting the usual tripe and reassessing the work of past thinkers with no effort of your own?
Still stuck in that hole of yours while the sun shines outside?
You could never turn theory into practice.
I bet you think you are living in a Democracy, still controlled by that primitive nationalism and pretending you are an intellectual.
If the ‘truth’ hurts you then kill yourself. Distracting yourself from your pathetic life by pretending you are thinking when you are simply going over what others have said before and what they meant by it, is not enough.

WANDERER - Nice to see you haven't changed a bit. Interesting how you project me into such a larger-than-life role in your personal world, as though I'm somehow controlling your whole life. Apparently the concept of me is haunting you somehow despite of my lack of interest in doing so. I suppose your insecurities aren't my concern, but I nevertheless apologize for the anguish you are enduring.
Yea, you are the center of my universe, fatso.
So knowledgeable but you can’t quit use that knowledge to lose some weight, can you?
Why is that?
All theory and no application, I suspect. All thought and no action.

I guess the main issue must be that you feel I wounded your "he who shouts the loudest gets some odd sort of prize" life philosophy which you've no doubt expanded upon in your deeply insightful and popular books which I'm sure you are about to note are available on amazon... so to help repair my damage to your psyche I will reassure you that if you shout just a bit louder that'll solve everything and force the universe to conform to the way you like to convince yourself it is.
Who’s shouting idiot? I assure you I am very calm and collected.
What’s the matter couldn’t handle the implications of my ‘What about Bob?’ thread on your life?
Sorry there are two types of people: 1-Those that take criticism and are motivated by it 2-Those that take criticism and try to hide or distance themselves from it.

Guess which one you are.
You American twit.

Anyhow, be careful and check with your doctor, you may have contracted the infection already as it's been known to lie dormant for years before symptoms show up. One day, you may wake up and without any warning find youself arguing points based on their merit rather than pure emotion... would be a sad day indeed.
My doctor is dead. I killed him.

“Pure emotion”?
The feigned aloofness of those that know nothing but try to pretend they do because they are calm and soft speaking.
Acting civilized does not mean you know what you are saying. It only means you’ve succumbed to social norms.
Passion is how things are done.
You go on and sit on that large chair of yours, the one your ass has perfectly moulded into its shape, and act all distant and cold and “logical”.
Philosophy is lived, not only talked about with the indifference of the non-affected.
Philosophy is passion and art. Learn something from the Greeks, you fat fuck.
Now go off to your home and start a thread about free-will or something, while your Will lies dormant and atrophying between your plump ass-cheeks.
A true example of sophistry you are, all knowledge and information with no personal commitment.
What a moron.

No offense, Wanderer, but if this is How you treated Hoth before you were banned, I can see why Hoth did ban you.

Be nice, please..........;)

Here WANDERER take a smily: steal from his site, steal a tiny near microscopic bit of his bandwidth. http://forums.philosophyforums.com/images/smilies/eyebrow.gif Seriously, short of hacking its all you can do to him. http://forums.philosophyforums.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=34969

No, WANDERER can do many terrible things, for he is wolf and I am Bob. ;)

all knowledge and information with no personal commitment

Thank you. Most people seem to disagree, particularly when I'm bashing dualists (and the physicalists and idealists who are closet dualists), but I'm glad you find me so knowledgable and unbiased.

Now, if only you had any actual philosophy to focus your passion on instead of a bunch of weak-minded immitations of Plato and Nietzche and political junk, you'd be more interesting.

Wande:
"Now, if only you had any actual philosophy to focus your passion on instead of a bunch of weak-minded immitations of Plato and Nietzche and political junk, you'd be more interesting."

This is from a man whose board consists of Christians and idiots who felt that reading Jasper's book on Kant qualifies them as transcendentialists.

Christians almost always stay confined to the religion forum, and if you were to compare the amount of reading of primary sources in philosophy there with here, I don't think sciforums would come out too well... as WANDERER already implied himself. Of course this is mostly just because sciforums is primarily a science site, not a philosophy site... but most people here seem to have just read Nietzche and that's about it, certainly haven't noticed any professors here. And Nietzche of course is popular because he's easy to read and tries to make things sound exciting and meaningful, yet he lacks any depth, is quite unoriginal and added nothing much to philosophy. He simply regurgitated old philosophy in a new made-for-TV format for those with who have short attention spans and want things to appear exciting. All bark and no bite, much like WANDERER.

Anyhow, suffice it to say I haven't heard of this Jasper person, have read plenty of Kant, but would not call myself a transcendetalist because that word tends to be associated with pseudophilosphical misconceptions.

Naw, most of our members have read quotes from Nietzsche and find others via google. As for whether he "adds things" to philosophy, fuck off. Philosophy itself is not a difficult practice - the rigor of it trips most people off and they just turn into Randians. If it doesn't, peice of cake.

Science envy, Mr. Paul? You know the physicists do epistemology better than philosophers ever could.

Jaspers. He wrote what I'm told is an excellent intro to Kant.
Wanderer is probably right about you being an asshole, if you have read lots of Immanuel's works. Kantiens tend to be closet christians, drawn by the unsubstantiated bullshit on morals.

Pardon. You posted something on over-socialization once that I liked so no need to use dirty words. You just on occasion - reek of humanism.
What would be the point of trying to find meaningful debate on the 'net anyway? You want meaningful conversation, talk about Polyani over a couple of beers with a friend. Forums are for entertainment, compensation for not having a tv.

Suffice it to say that I'm anti-Kantian on ethics. I just don't take the irrational step of throwing out Kant's metaphysics simply because like so many others he turned ethics into sophistry aimed at the attempt of claiming that ethics is "objective". That claim of objectivity of course boils down to people trying to say "the universe commands you to obey my ethics" and is hence popular though unfounded.

What would be the point of trying to find meaningful debate on the 'net anyway? You want meaningful conversation, talk about Polyani over a couple of beers with a friend.

What you're suggesting requires too much socialization.

Science envy, Mr. Paul? You know the physicists do epistemology better than philosophers ever could.

Being a coherentist with strong sympathies for Neurath, and considering my favorite philosopher was acutally a physicist (Eddington), I couldn't disagree with that.

Hoth:
" I just don't take the irrational step of throwing out Kant's metaphysics simply because like so many others he turned ethics into sophistry aimed at the attempt of claiming that ethics is "objective"."

Danka. Actually that turned me off to Kant for years - rebutting his proof of the existence of god for Christians made me figure him to be an idiot.
That said, his metaphysics and his episimological systems are brilliant, even if a bit limited by his science.

"What you're suggesting requires too much socialization."

Yes, it does until you stumble upon a person or two like that.
Or are you one who finds close human contact to be intolerable under any circumstances? I actually enjoy it, once I'm intimate enough with a person and the social nuances don't matter.

The internet is a form of socializing just as well - it's simply incredibly more tolerable than going out and about.

and if you were to compare the amount of reading of primary sources in philosophy there with here, I don't think sciforums would come out too well...
I think thats exactly the problem.
Anyone can read philosophy but can anyone at your forums come up with an original idea or ask an original question?
Reading philosophy and philosophy should be considered different subjects.
Isn't philosophy at its essence thinking about existence? Reading other peoples ideas is not even beginning to breach the subject of philosophy. Its actually contradicting the point of philosophy. Philosophy being a school subject is also contradicting the point of philosophy, learning 'how to think like this' is what i would call being sculpted by someone else.
I think once someone has established their own take on existence, then and only then should they start reading the 'takes' of others, out of curiousity.
I think philosophy rolls better off facts than it does off other's philosophies.
If you're not interested in trying to understand yourself then by all means read a tonne of philosophy and select the ideas you like most.
But you couldn't be classed as even an amateurish dumb ass philosopher if that's the route you opt for.
I'm proud to say I am an amateurish dumb ass philosopher. Never taken a class on philosophy or read a book on philosophy. I'm still not entirely sure what philosophy means and I rarely if ever use words that end in 'ist' :cool:

Kantiens tend to be closet christians, drawn by the unsubstantiated bullshit on morals.
You really like to throw that bloody word, Christians, around a lot, don't you? Reading and respecting Kant, or even sharing in some of his beliefs does not make you "Christian"-- I wonder what the insane fool you so admire would think of your constant abuse of his views. I think it is quite simply that you cannot understand Kant and therefore cannot appreciate Kant, for on every mention of his name, you seem quick to attack. You epitomize the problem with intellectuals like Allen, and morons like Dave: you study the author and what he said or might have said, or you study what the author wrote about the author and what he might have said... Originality in thought has been replaced by the constant parading of an act.

Racists are idiots.
Although there are racists with in every ethnic group, it seems the majority of the white people I have come in contact with are severely racist.
To them, there's nothing wrong with it.
They believe that you can account for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.


It's a serious problem that faces society because it's such a normal thing for them. Anybody that feels that way should be turned into the person they feel most inferior, and see what it is like to be seen as an inferior when it is something you are really not.

Racism attempts to separate the qualities of individuals who in reality are the same. Instead of referring to a person as part of 'us', a person is referred to as 'them'.
Them is us. Us is them. You racists only discriminate against your own kind.


Needless to say, I am not voting on this poll until I get bribed. I'd like to know what's in it for me in order to make the best choice. Capitalize by any means necessary. Capitalism at it's finest.

People your discussion is mot!!! The quorum has already been passed!

People your discussion is mot!!! The quorum has already been passed!

But what is the result?

Are we counting the last two categories as separate? Or do we throw them on one heap?

who won?

who lost?

The last 2 categories are the same 'do not impeach'.
Wcf could have made it fairer by only having 2 or having 4 with 2 for each.... but what do i care :confused: really? :rolleyes:
Xev only called me a nigga once, and she spelt it nigga and not nigger so ofcourse I was not offended.

Yes Xev is not worthy of being a moderator (impeach Xex)
Yes Xev is a wacko, but still a OK moderator (Do no impeach Xev)
No Xev is alright as a person and moderator (Do not impeach Xev)

So these are the options. Now, why is number two there at all? It's a simple yes or no question to begin with, not a " How do you perceive Xev's personality-poll".
Why are there two "do not impeach Xev" option, but only one "impeach Xev" ? And furthermore, number two starts with the word "yes".
This poll is constructed with the intention to make people vote "do not impeach Xev", right? And those who do not pay attention to details, falls right into the trap.
Just wanted to focus your attention on this.
Bye.

The problem is, that you are asking to impeach somebody without a replacement.
Nobody has propsed a replacement.
Somebody has to do the moderating.
If there is nobody else, we have no choice but to let the racist do it.
See?


If anybody wishes to moderate the forum including Xevy, the racist, I am accepting bribes.

You don't necessarily need a replacement when you impeach someone.

The Philosophy subforum isn't so bad, anyhow.

I have no clue what the result is, as I have said before I fuck up this poll! http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/fart.gif

You don't necessarily need a replacement when you impeach someone.
not necessarily, but in this case, somebody has to do the job.
You are contemplating impeaching a person. Thers is no point in impeaching the person if there is nobody else to do the job.
Unless you would rather have nobody do it than ther person.
But I don't think this is the case.

Are you saying that somebody should race the racist?

Should there always be a stand-in moderator if the original moderator can't do its job, be sick for example? Who should this be?
Sounds like a good idea that some of the other moderators can volunteer to temporarily moderate another forum too, while the rearrangement takes place.

That's way too complicated.

I am seriously people this poll is over! this thread should be closed and a new one more serious should be started that ask yes/no should Xev be impeach. Once the vote comes in there then it should be decided what to do.

[QUOTE=cool skill]Thers is no point in impeaching the person if there is nobody else to do the job.QUOTE]Impeahing someone doesn't mean that they can't continue to do the job...

It doesn't?

impeachment is just the process of bringing the whole thing to a vote. A president can be impeached but not removed from office. Don't know how this relates to moderator impeachment.

Well, I think WCF did that on purpose knowing that at worst this vote would result in new vote...

I personally think this poll is a waste of space. Nothing is going to be done, even if 52 members do not consider her to be a good moderator, and 32 want her to be "impeached" democracy is almost always a sham :)

even if 52 members do not consider her to be a good moderator
The aliens haven't taught you how to count yet?

democracy is almost always a sham

This isn't a democracy.

It's a sham.

WANDERER... you project me into such a larger-than-life role in your personal world, as though I'm somehow controlling your whole life. Apparently the concept of me is haunting you somehow despite of my lack of interest in doing so.

HothYea, you are the center of my universe, fatso.

Ah, no worries, WANDERER... the feeling is apparently mutual:

http://forums.philosophyforums.com/showpost.php?p=150947&postcount=20

While WANDERER is the one I was least certain about banning (if he hadn't expended so much effort on attacking Sharif I might've left him alone), he's got me convinced now:

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread...85&page=6&pp=20

Enjoy. Funny in the train wreck kind of way, but hardly conductive to a discussion.

Persol:
"[QUOTE=cool skill]Thers is no point in impeaching the person if there is nobody else to do the job.QUOTE]Impeahing someone doesn't mean that they can't continue to do the job..."
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Didn't we already go over this?
Why have we restated a point that has already been responded to?


I personally believe the forum is better off with Xev the racist as moderator than none at all.
Therefore, unless there is a person to do it, there is really no point in discussing impeachment.

The problem is, that you are asking to impeach somebody without a replacement.

I can be a replacement, and I am serious. I haven't been around this place for as long as some other people, but I get the idea about how things work. The reason why I have little posts is because I was away for a long time. I am back, and I am staying.

Do you have an credentials?


such as:

not being a racist

not having the hobby of trolling people

not pretending to be a woman

Closure of this stupid thread has been long overdue.

Using that basis this fourm would have very few open threads.

I think that I can be a reallt good mod, I am not a racist, but I can see the problems in cultures. I usuallty have a problem with sitting on the fence when it copmes to most issues, so I don't really easily offend people. Lately, I have read some of Xev's posts and I can see why people would want to impeach him/her. I have to sit on the fence on this topic (what a suprise). If it makes me a new mod, then I say Xev goes :)

Too bad Xev's an uber philosopophy student, and you aren't.


Are you?

Xev is... um... harsh? She is however usually able to defend her position, even if I completely disagree with it. People saying things which I consider to be wrong (Xev, Raithiere) and then backing them up with evidence is one of the reasons I like this place.

Unless someone can show me a place were Xev was unfair I see no reason to impeach her.

This was a direct abuse of her power. To make matters worse, she lied about it to Porfiry who for some inexplicable reason, sided with Xev.

...because she provided me with convincing evidence? How is that "inexplicable"?

Why don't you just close this thread? Porfiry says she's staying accept it. If you don't like it, get lost :D

I asked for it to be closed along time ago!

Sorry, I didn't see. In which case:

I second WellCookedFetus' motion :D

I didn't say she was staying regardless. I said I would abide by the vote, and the vote has suggested that she's staying.

41/34... don't you think it's about time this closed?

Well I (and many others) thought this thread should have been closed at the beginning and started over because the second choice has nothing to do with wanting to impeach her.

Do you read?

Maybe wcf missed some commas? "do, no, impeach xev"
eh, I guess its more likely that he missed a 't'.

LOL @ option #2:

Q: "Should Xev be impeached?"
A: "Yes Xev is a wacko, but still a OK moderator (Do no impeach Xev)"

Taken from the point of view of a new disinterested member, this is obviously an ambiguous option. The first half reads (adding punctuation) "Yes. Xev is a wacko." implying the desire to impeach Xev, and seeming like a less severe option to #1. The "Do no impeach Xev", although misspelled, implies the desire to keep Xev as a moderator.

While it's likely not a conspiracy, I think it's fair to say that some could have chosen #2 with the intention of having Xev impeached, either because they didn't fully read the option, or because they didn't fully understand it. The idiot-proof way of constructing options would have been a simple "Yes" or "No" option.

Nevertheless, I personally don't think all that really matters. If someone is dumb or oblivious enough to vote for something they don't really want, they deserve the consequences.

Long live Xev !!! :D

If you want this thread to die, not posting in it would be an obvious solution, ja?

But I find it sexually gratifying.

55 of the Scfi forum members do not consider her to be "good" moderator, of which 34 want her removed.

To the Admin: When such a huge number of members disapprove of her, what is the point of having her as a moderator. That's almost more than half of the active members.

There is a difference between not liking Xev as a person and not thinking she is fit to be moderator. Obviously there may be at least one person on Sciforums that just hates Xev because of her views and how she may treat a few, but that has nothing to do with how well she can moderate the forums. If she was fit to be a moderator, I am quite sure Porfiry would have noticed somewhere down the road between post number 1 to 8,300.

I think it as an issue that nneds to be adressed. Some of Xev's posts, according to some people, are