Due to problems interpreting the last poll I'm making a new one with well defined questions and specific answers. Please close the last poll, all that can be agreed on there is that the majority of us think Xev is a eccentric, not if she should remain a moderator or not.

I hereby declare my wishes that Xev remain a moderator. I find her to be as mentally stable as anyone else and have no current issues with her.

Fin~

I echo this sentiment.

Ok, for the next and final one: I hope everyone votes :)

I do not think Xev is a suitable moderator, on the grounds:

1: 55 people in the last poll do not consider her to be a "good member" more than half the active members.
2: She is proud of being a racist and justifies it by "freedom of speech"
3: She does not set a good example to others, and nor seems to be sensible(e.g. "I find this sexually gratifying")
4: Moderating forums is quite a trivial job, and I should know, as I've had 4 moderately sized forums of my own.

Therefore, considering that such a large number of members do not seem to particularly like her, and considering moderating forums, is quite trivial. I see no reason why she should be a moderator, which will only spite quite a large proportion of active members.

Vote: Please Remove Her.

I vote for closing this thread and temp banning the creator and anyone voting yes.

then i vote for a "raves and rants" subforum where everybody can bitch to there hearts contents, no mods, anything goes, only rule:"if you enter be prepared to accept the punches".

"55 people in the last poll do not consider her to be a "good member" more than half the active members."

I don't know where you got that figure from mikey. You must've looked at the Currently Active Users thng at the bottom of the homepage. I shall respond assuming this. The Currently Active Users are the number of members on this site at any one time.

"She is proud of being a racist and justifies it by "freedom of speech"

I'm proud of being an athiest and I often put down religious types. This IS freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is the freedom to speak your mind. Its our right to as human beings. We think for a reason.

"Moderating forums is quite a trivial job, and I should know, as I've had 4 moderately sized forums of my own."

As do I. And I think moderating Philosophy is a very tough area to moderate. You get the serious types and you get the extremists. Her moderating job is far from trivial.

"I vote for closing this thread and temp banning the creator and anyone voting yes."

The creator only made this thread because of various complaints. It is not a direct assault towards Xev personally. It is a thread to find out whether people seriously want Xev out as a moderator.

I hope my reply has helped clear a few things up and I still stand by Xev in this one.

I don't know where you got that figure from mikey. You must've looked at the Currently Active Users thng at the bottom of the homepage. I shall respond assuming this. The Currently Active Users are the number of members on this site at any one time.

Thank you for that explanation, although you assumed wrong. I am using the data from the previous poll: which is 55 people who do not consider her to be a good person or a nut(34 + 21) of which 34 want her removed. When I say active members, I mean those who post her regularily, not the members online at the moment :D

Seriously, 55 members is a lot, and losing her, is not even a slightest loss, and moderating forums is not as hard as it claimed here. I would personally have removed her if I was an admin. Knowing that 55 members disapprove of her.


I'm proud of being an athiest and I often put down religious types. This IS freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is the freedom to speak your mind. Its our right to as human beings. We think for a reason.

I am an atheist, and consider religions to be quite primitive, but recognise their importance in our evolution.

Racism however is something much more different:

The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Do I really have to tell you how condemnable racism is? You would be hard-pressed to justify racism anywhere. It's the type of hate that leads to genocides, mindless hate and terrorist acts.

Moderating forums is quite a trivial job, and I should know, as I've had 4 moderately sized forums of my own."

Sorry Thor, I do not buy that. I think theres a lot of others here who can do the job. It's not leading a country; it just cleaning it up. I personally think Xev makes it more dirty, by openly supporting racism, and saying things like, "I find it sexually gratifying" to her impeachment threads. It clearly shows how much disrespect she has for others.

These are just some reasons, I think people should take into consideration, before they vote "No" :)

Kunax,

Just for your information I voted "no".

Xev is an eccentric, sadistic and even evil bitch at time, but I have not seen her
1. Abusing her powers as moderator
2. Being a asshole while using her moderating powers
Xev temperament seems to be variable and does not seem to affect her volunteer work as moderator.

Those like crazymikey still do not get it. *sigh*

Get what Absane?

It's evident from this reply, that "I still don't get it" ;)

I again repeat that Xev retains the full confidence of the administration.

...and the support of the other moderators, I would think.

You would be correct, James. I vote NO.

*Sniffles*

Y'all like me?

"Xev is an eccentric, sadistic and even evil bitch at time"

*Blushes*
Oh, you shouldn't have.

We support you as a moderator, Xev. That doesn't mean we like you! :)

(Just kidding.)

lol WCF someone "needs" to be banned, and since you startet this thread, why not ban you :).

or ban by post number, ban the user with post number 11 in this thread

Why ban the guy who is only trying to gather opinions??

And it looks like Xev has a big undergroundfan base. Excellent.

Y'all like me? No.

But that's a separate issue, don't you think?

Whether or not I like you has little, if anything to do with your suitability as a moderator. You may be a spiteful, racist (expletive) but, as has been pointed out, it doesn't seem to get in the way of your moderation. To that end, be whatever you are. No law says I have to like it.

There is no reason to dump you as a moderator, and several good reasons to keep you around. It's an easy decision regardless of what I think of the rest of you.

Xev,

This is not politics here (thank god!) dislikeing you is not reason for impeachment, nor is likeing you reason for you to stay. You do your job well and that’s all the matters. Your views, opinions and mannerisms are separate from your work as moderator. By the way thanks for bribing me with your sexually powers. http://www.dark-smilies.de/pics/sm/sm006.gif http://www.dark-smilies.de/pics/sm/sm010.gif

I don't see how Xev's beliefs, be they objectionable or not, relate to her current capacity.
She does her job.

Besides, certainly, she is the philosophical superior of most, if not all, of Sciforums; if the shoe fits...

If she has the support of the administration here on Sci, what's the point of this thread?
Shut this thread, ban wellcooked for his insolence and rule Sci like the dictatorship it is.

airavata,

how about instead I just smack you upside the head, with a giant spike and impale you to a wall? You can be suffice for are forum god! http://www.dark-smilies.de/pics/Metzel/metzel006.gif

dictatorship we maybe but we have a very lax and nice dictator (at least while he’s not angry)

I was being serious. I like the dictatorship on Sci.

You can be suffice for are forum god

What the hell are you trying to say? Run your stuff through a grammar check if need be.

"You can be the sacrifice for our forum god." I, too, once questioned WellCooked about
his misuse of a word, but I didn't realize he was not a native English speaker at the
time. A delayed apology for that, WellCooked.

He speaks emoticon-ese, normally.

sorry my fingers are not full form! http://forums.guru3d.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_double_fingers.gif

Wow, it's like Pidgin English. Impressive.

I although I don't agree with some of Xev's views, I see most of her sentiments that people tend to complain about as being a netiquette character of her creation.

The entire reason why she problem says things that some of you lot dislike is down to the number of males on the internet that think its a ground for trying to get porn from.

Her harsh attitude is probably just to get you dogs to lay down. WOOF! WOOF!

Although Xev is a self confessed Racist, I don't exactly see her spreading website addresses of the new dawn of the third Reicht, or perpetuating the downfall of one race over the superiority of another.

Are we asking weather we like her or if we think that she should be allowed to do her job until she is proven to be doing poorly at it? Leave the kid alone until she does something to some ones post which is unwarranted. We all have unpopular opinions on some issues. You should not punish some one for bad thoughts.

I think Xev is ok. Don´t know why you dislike her so much. Ah, but most of you have been here longer than me, perhaps you are right.

But for now, Xev has my support.

xev is a great mod.. she stays

Although I consider Xev to be a complete self centered bitch who's only success in life was to rant and complain about the smallest shit in the world, I think she should stay, I mean comeon, its not her fault Menopause started right?

Really, she's the perfect example of how not to respond to posts if you want to say something intelligent or civilized, therefore we must keep her as a reversive rolemodel to keep things on these forums in order.

My objection to Xev is that she will continually ad hom people with one and two line posts, and then scold you in another thread for exactly the same thing saying that it's not a chat room. As a moderator, she should not make different rules for herself while enforcing rules on others. It sets a bad example and it's hypocritical. I do think that when she edits a post, it should state that she herself has edited it no matter what the case. We should know when people have been edited by a moderator that has shown poor judgement and immaturity. Despite the fact that I think Xev is extremely intelligent, I find that she is a poor moderator at best for all the reasons I just stated. Her presence there is one of the sole reasons that the posts there are not as intelligent, or in-depth as some of the other forums on this site. When people are repeatedly held to different standards than the moderators and are edited/deleted when and egoist sees fit without connotation of the fact that they were edited or why... it does defeat the purpose of having an open forum.

Most of the very intelligent people simply don't post there because there is no point in arguing with the retards that stay under the radar in that forum and don't challenge Xev. Because of Xev's attitude and actions, that forum in particular has been a haven for morons and retards despite Xev's intentions that it become more intelligent. Good debates go horrible wrong because of people who are protected under your "free speech" stuff and Xev seems to have it out for the more intelligent of the people with her abrasiveness. The only ones who stay are the ones with enough "balls" to put up with Xev... that's not right. So now you have a bunch of Egoists, and a bunch of idiots all duking it out thinking they all know philosophy.

I wouldn't agree that Xev does her job at all, let alone does her job well. Perhaps I am wrongly assuming what a moderator does here. As moderator is defined, she certainly is not doing her job. Her comments are inflammatory, not moderating. Perhaps we can list, or itemize, the duties of a moderator, then evaluate Xev based upon what she does relative to what she's supposed to do.

... or perhaps specific examples of her failings?

... or perhaps specific examples of her failings?


http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=34594&page=3&pp=20

Note the end of the conversation, where she threw a few ad homs at me in particular, in a chatty and fairly catty sort of way. Then note this;

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=34869&page=3&pp=20

On the same day barely an hour later, in another thread where she reminds people that it's not a chat room.

It's this kind of hypocracy that I am speaking of. I think her ad homs in most of her posts shouldn't be hard to find, and her immaturity is pretty prevalant as well. Humiliating people is not a good way to moderate.

... or perhaps specific examples of her failings?
some examples

Padma:
Hush now, having a womb less fertile than the Sahara is no reason to barge in.
Now, if someone were to "barge in" to you, would he get friction burns on his penis? Or do barren women produce as much lubricant as us fertile ones do?

You lying fucking cumbucket, I did not say any such thing. I gave a snide expose of what motivates a pencil-dicked moron like you to make such assertions............You pathetic cunt, I haven't even been arguing the existence/nonexistence of race.

Try fucking a real woman - you won't take rejection as badly when it comes from the cyber ones. ;)

cunt:

those are quite funny but do you have examples of her abusing her power?

Hypocrisy is not a crime, accusing someone of being wrong because of it is a ad hominem in its self.

those are quite funny but do you have examples of her abusing her power?

Hypocrisy is not a crime, accusing someone of being wrong because of it is a ad hominem in its self.

my point is that these are not moderating statements

moderators should moderate, not inflame

if he wants to be inflammatory, let him do it as a member, so i can ignore him, not as a moderator

no one is arguing whether he is right or not. the question is, should he remain moderator based on performance? i say no.

again, being a moderator here may be different than the rest of the world. so i repeat my previous suggestion; list the duties of a moderator and evaluate xev on the basis of what he's supposed to do as a moderator and compare that to what he actually does in the moderator position.

those are quite funny but do you have examples of her abusing her power?

Hypocrisy is not a crime, accusing someone of being wrong because of it is a ad hominem in its self.

So you think humiliating people on a regular basis is a good way to moderate? That humiliating people repeatedly, isn't an abuse of power? There are people that refuse to post in her forum from fear of attack. People don't like to be repeatedly insulted, especially by a person that is supposed to be in charge.

No I just haven't seen Xev abusing her powers as a moderator, I don't care if she’s a shit or not.

Oh and by the way Xev got 26 votes out of the 50 minimum required votes, which means that she has won.

No I just haven't seen Xev abusing her powers as a moderator, I don't care if she’s a shit or not.

Oh and by the way Xev got 26 votes out of the 50 minimum required votes, which means that she has won.

The proposal must have a minimum of 50 votes to pass or fail, but the poll is open until the 20th of May. Until the poll closes, we will not know the outcome.

Moderators come in many shape, sizes, philosophies and other characteristics. Many people are wanting to say what they want and are "moderated" from not saying whatever pisses off some moderators. I've heard from many types, Xev is just another type of mod that you must learn her ways. Because she cusses or prevents people from writing something she feels isn't in good taste is the same with ALL moderators. Some take advantage of their positions and misuse their power however I don't see that as yet with Xev, a little uppity but not a dictator at least for the present time.

Arditezza,

Hum I did not think of it that way, oh well let the roasting continue to the 20th!

Well seeing that more people chose no shows that Xev has indeed won.

As for you little concern with her, she does not abuse her power at all. She is very bitchy but never steps out of the line of her moderation requirements. I do have one problem with her other than her PMS and its the fact that she tends to cause threads to go off topic which is a violation isn't it?

Porfiry:

From the other thread that was closed before I saw your response:

because she provided me with convincing evidence? How is that "inexplicable"?
How can she provide you convincing evidence? In what ways did the posts that addressed her position attack her when after I reposted one of deleted posts, she responded to it and did not delete? she acted in haste and deleted posts from both Spookz and I that did not insult her position, but rather battered it. This is abuse, and I for one would like to know how she furnished the proof that would have you believe that she did not abuse her moderator powers.

it would be hell if there was a draw in the poll...

we really need to get xev out of moderator status, at least so we can use the ignore feature on him.

i really think we need to do this

loudmouth idiots are ok as long as we can ignore them when we want, but to have one forced upon us is unacceptable

the ignore feature is pretty stupid in the first place. my own internal computer does a fabulous job of ignoring people. maybe it's a cliche, but if someone or a post bothers you, don't read it ! she's never bothered me, mostly because i don't pay that much attention to her or most other posters. every forum needs a...let's say "outspoken"..person around to shake things up.

paulsamuel:

Xev is not a "him".

makes no difference what her pronoun is. this is a computer.

I dunno, I liken Xev to the schoolyard bully. And Porfiry as the Principal who's letting the bully run the playground at recess. Problem with that is that you intimidate and humiliate the other kids into not playing in your yard, and your fellow troublemakers and bullies stay around. I don't think that should be the intention of a forum, and I don't think it's okay for the person in charge of the rules to be breaking them and being extremely abusive to people (not abusing powers, just abusing posters).

I don't care about Xev's opinions, and I don't care about Xev. What I do care about are the converstations and debates that are prevented in that forum because of the bad attitude and horrible demeanor of the moderator there. I am by no means saying that it should be wine and roses, but it should be a place where every starts on equal footing and isn't going to get rotten eggs thrown at them for even having a thought on anything.

Oh, and now that there is a rants forum, who's going to throw 80% of Xev's posts in there for being off-topic ad hom's against others?

i'm not sure someone with so few posts has license to insult the board's owner. stick around for a while. you'll quickly see this is a exceptionally well run board.

i'm not sure someone with so few posts has license to insult the board's owner. stick around for a while. you'll quickly see this is a exceptionally well run board.

I don't doubt that, and I wasn't insulting Porfiry. I was comapring him to a Principal of a school full of children (which most of us are)

These are fine forums, or I wouldn't want them to be better at all. I want things to change because I DO care, not because I'm just being a jerk. I am unwilling to accept the bad, when there better examples and better moderators

paulsamuel:

Xev is not a "him".

how do you know?

Xev claims to be a she, but in truth we should call Xev a “it” in fact we should call everyone here “it” because we have no proof of the sex of anyone.

Xev claims to be a she, but in truth we should call Xev a “it” in fact we should call everyone here “it” because we have no proof of the sex of anyone.
i agree. but it would mislead all of us into thinking that we are responding and corresponding with a username, not a person.

From reading this thread, I can see that Xev has written some bad things against some people but then these some people might have done something to deserve something? A moderator should be moderate but it does not mean a moderator must be moderate. Xev being a racist gave me a strong temptation to vote yes but I was able to calm myself down and remind myself that she does have her freedom of speech. Without seeing any evidence that she abuses her power as a moderator, I voted no.

From reading this thread, I can see that Xev has written some bad things against some people but then these some people might have done something to deserve something? A moderator should be moderate but it does not mean a moderator must be moderate. Xev being a racist gave me a strong temptation to vote yes but I was able to calm myself down and remind myself that she does have her freedom of speech. Without seeing any evidence that she abuses her power as a moderator, I voted no.

you've already voted and made up your mind, so i'm not writing this to convince you, but perhaps other readers might want an alternative view.

Which is;

as you said a moderator should be moderate, and by your admission, xev is not doing what he should as a moderator.

xev certainly does have the right of freedom of speech, but he has responsibilities as a moderator. if he wants to exercise his full freedom of speech he should do it as a member not as moderator. no one is trying to silence him.

what would you need to see from xev to convince you that he is abusing his powers as moderator? is there anything? cause I might be able to find it and perhaps convince a potential voter.

Do you think you're making a point by writing he?

at least say s/he for Xev case, please. its piss some are our members off... they must have a little sand in their vaginas. :D

Textual analysis, paulsamuel. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. And, let's face it, why lie?

Textual analysis, paulsamuel. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. And, let's face it, why lie?
Jeez, I don't know, I'm no psychologist. But not too long ago on this forum, there was someone searching urgently for contact email or something declaring it was a emergency, but it turned out it was the same guy (he was pretending to be someone else searching for himself). There are lots of freaks out there.

You're right about that, paulsamuel. I have come across some disturbed people on the internet.

how do you know?

Because I fuck his brains out every night.

i agree. but it would mislead all of us into thinking that we are responding and corresponding with a username, not a person.

But we are responding and corresponding with a username. None of you are actual people - you're just toys, the best of you are intelligent puppeteers.

Because I fuck his brains out every night.

But we are responding and corresponding with a username. None of you are actual people - you're just toys, the best of you are intelligent puppeteers.
just lovely!

you may think you're clever and funny, but I would think you would consider this matter, i.e. a vote on your impeachment as a moderator, a bit more seriously; and the vote thus far is very close. I know that this is not a binding vote, but there is a reason behind it, and that is because so many users complain of you.

Of course they complain of me - I'm profane and supercilious.
Why on earth would I take this seriously? Do you have any idea how many "I hate Xev" threads have been started?
I love it.
I get impeached, I get banned, I find some other way to waste my time. Fuck, I won't even be around for the summer so on the off chance y'all do "impeach" me, best do it now.

Have I mentioned that I'm an evil Nazi racist who eats the flesh of unbaptized babies?

But you are toys, a bunch of unknown teddy bears hammering away at some stupid keyboard, toys.

Ah yet another ban Xev thread. The place where we see the insulted and the bown nosers wishing to avoid future insults congregate.

Lets face it, Xev is a pain in the arse. She's crude, rude and prone to philosophical rantings, but I admit it, at times she's amusing. But does that mean that her behaviour stops her from moderating? From what I've seen in my time on this forum, the answer is no. To assume that because she's a moderator, she should therefore not be granted any so called freedom of speech is ridiculous. If you don't like what she writes, then don't read it. It's simple and easy. She runs her forum well and apart from a few incidents in there, we get our say. She rectifies the mistakes that she makes in her forum. When she participates in other forums on this site, she is just a mere member like the rest of us. We all abuse each other and we all call each other names on the forums on this site, why can't she do the same when she's not moderating? If any of you were ever made a moderator on this site, would you refrain from participating in another forum (where you are not a moderator) and calling others a dickhead? Somehow I doubt it.

From what I've seen, moderators are supposed to maintain their forum and prevent members from behaving like baboons in a cage. But when they are participating in other forums, they are just like the rest of us and should be allowed to throw shit at others between the cage bars like the rest of us do (as far as the rules apply :p). I was not aware that moderators had to adhere to some moral code in all forums aside from their own. If that was the case, there wouldn't be any moderators because I don't think anyone would volunteer. Those of you who think that moderators should be moral role models to the rest of us need to get out a bit more. If you're looking to unknown faceless individuals as a role model, then you have some deep seated issues that needs to be addressed. No offence to any of the mods on here but I for one do not consider any of you to be role models. This is not summer camp where we all play and have camp counsellors to keep us in line and to have as role models.

Sure many in here dislike Xev, but that is not reason enough to remove her as a moderator.

Have I mentioned that I'm an evil Nazi racist who eats the flesh of unbaptized babies?
We really don't need to hear about your sexual escapades.

I strongly disagree with your opinion.

Xev, as a member, is tolerable, ignorable and entitled to her freedom of speech.

As a moderator, she has a job and a responsibility to members and the forum as a whole.

This type of response,
"Of course they complain of me - I'm profane and supercilious.
Why on earth would I take this seriously? Do you have any idea how many "I hate Xev" threads have been started?
I love it.
I get impeached, I get banned, I find some other way to waste my time. Fuck, I won't even be around for the summer so on the off chance y'all do "impeach" me, best do it now, "
undermines the hard work other moderators do, and the most diffcult work of Porfiry in building and maintaining this forum. It's unacceptable for a moderator, and she should be summarily dismissed.

Because I fuck his brains out every night.

Shhh! Don't tell them that!

Too late James :D

Originally posted by paulsamuel:

This type of response, ? Originally Posted by Xev "Of course they complain of me - I'm profane and supercilious. Why on earth would I take this seriously? Do you have any idea how many "I hate Xev" threads have been started? I love it. I get impeached, I get banned, I find some other way to waste my time. Fuck, I won't even be around for the summer so on the off chance y'all do "impeach" me, best do it now, " ? undermines the hard work other moderators do, and the most diffcult work of Porfiry in building and maintaining this forum. It's unacceptable for a moderator, and she should be summarily dismissed. Today 10:02 AM

But she did not answer as a moderator, did she?
She answers as a memeber. Everybody has the right of free speech, even a moderator, just because she got a job to do does not mean that she should refrain from stating her opinions. As long as her opinions do not interfere with her moderating, I seriously do not care what she says.

Too late James :D

Originally posted by paulsamuel:



But she did not answer as a moderator, did she?
She answers as a memeber. Everybody has the right of free speech, even a moderator, just because she got a job to do does not mean that she should refrain from stating her opinions. As long as her opinions do not interfere with her moderating, I seriously do not care what she says.

again, i strongly disagree.

he obviously has no concern for his duties and no regard for the forum
I get impeached, I get banned, I find some other way to waste my time. Fuck, I won't even be around for the summer so on the off chance y'all do "impeach" me, best do it now,

why is he even a moderator?? he doesn't care at all. one would think that a moderator has some vested interest in making the forum a better place to be in. he has no regard for that whatever.

i say dump him

I strongly disagree with your opinion.

Xev, as a member, is tolerable, ignorable and entitled to her freedom of speech.

As a moderator, she has a job and a responsibility to members and the forum as a whole.

This type of response,

undermines the hard work other moderators do, and the most diffcult work of Porfiry in building and maintaining this forum. It's unacceptable for a moderator, and she should be summarily dismissed.
Don't you mean that as a moderator she should not speak unless spoken to and she should always be nice and polite? Are all the moderators nice and polite on here? I've looked at some of the responses by moderators in this site and nice and polite is not how I'd describe them. She does not have a responsibility to the members on this site. Please tell me Paul, in your opinion, what resposibility does she have to the members? She is not a parental figure standing on the sidelines watching to make sure no one gets hurt. She is not someone that members are meant to be looking up to. As a moderator, her role is to ensure that the members play by the rules set for that particular forum, in her case, the Philosophy forum. She does not have a job, she is not payed for being a moderator. You fail to realise that when she is in the Philosophy forum, she is a moderator. When she participates in the Human Sciences forum, she is a member, therefore she has the freedom of speech that other members have. Within her own forum where she moderates, she must ensure that the rules she's set down aren't broken and that the discussions continue on a philosophical level.

The other moderators don't appear to have a problem with how she moderates. So why do you? After all, if, as you say, their work was being undermined, don't you think they'd have said something about it? You are just upset because she disagrees with you in regards to the 'race' issue and because she calls you paula.

As for your example of why she should be 'summarily dismissed' (that had me laughing so hard I snorted)... why? Did she make that statement as a moderator or as a member? Since she is not a moderator in this particular forum, it would mean that she is here as a member.

why is he even a moderator?? he doesn't care at all. one would think that a moderator has some vested interest in making the forum a better place to be in. he has no regard for that whatever.

i say dump him

Again, do you think you're making a point by writing he?

It just makes you look stubborn.

Don't you mean that as a moderator she should not speak unless spoken to and she should always be nice and polite? Are all the moderators nice and polite on here?
Where would you get that idea from what I've written? I've never even accused Xev of being impolite.
She does not have a responsibility to the members on this site. Please tell me Paul, in your opinion, what resposibility does she have to the members?
Since he sought, then accepted, the position of moderator, his duty and responsibility is to moderate. This is a service both to members of the forum, but also to those responsible for maintaining the forum. By accepting the moderator position, he took on these responsibilities. If he doesn't want them, then he should resign.
She is not a parental figure standing on the sidelines watching to make sure no one gets hurt. She is not someone that members are meant to be looking up to. As a moderator, her role is to ensure that the members play by the rules set for that particular forum, in her case, the Philosophy forum.
Your statements are contradictory. To a certain extent, and by your own admission, he is a "parental figure" with responsibilities, i.e. "to ensure that the members play by the rules." Your statements are contradictory.
She does not have a job, she is not payed for being a moderator.
That is irrelevant. One doesn't need to be paid to have responsibilities to a position, e.g. little league coaches, well really any volunteer position. If one is not capable of handling the responsibilities, one does not and should not accept the position, whether that position was sought or thrust upon one.
You fail to realise that when she is in the Philosophy forum, she is a moderator. When she participates in the Human Sciences forum, she is a member, therefore she has the freedom of speech that other members have. Within her own forum where she moderates, she must ensure that the rules she's set down aren't broken and that the discussions continue on a philosophical level.
I do not fail to realise that. I happen to disagree on 2 points. First, that his behavior is any different in the forum in which he "moderates," (and I'm using that term loosely). Second, that the behavioral constraints of moderators are lifted when moderators leave their forum.

The other moderators don't appear to have a problem with how she moderates. So why do you? After all, if, as you say, their work was being undermined, don't you think they'd have said something about it?
I'm not sure why you think that other moderators don't have a problem with him. I'm not convinced that's true. I was asked to come here by a moderator, to submit my views.

As for your example of why she should be 'summarily dismissed' (that had me laughing so hard I snorted)... why? Did she make that statement as a moderator or as a member? Since she is not a moderator in this particular forum, it would mean that she is here as a member.
That statement of his I quoted was an indication of how little he cares about SciForums and its members and what little regard he has for the position of moderator, in the very subforum where his fate on SciForums could be decided. So, it's obvious he doesn't take it seriously and is thumbing his nose at the other moderators, Porfiry, and all of us. That ought to give you such a big laugh that milk will come out of your nose.

Rappaccini:
Again, do you think you're making a point by writing he?


'Cause he wants to suck my dick while I slap him around with a copy of "The Bell Curve".

Who's daddy's little slut, paula?

i can't wait until this poll closes and the thread is locked and over with...

perhaps Xev is a shemale, nasty

The Bells Curve... I did not know Paula gets turned on by works of fiction? :D

Where would you get that idea from what I've written? I've never even accused Xev of being impolite.

So you say dear child, but from where I'm sitting and reading your posts in here, it is well implied.

Since he sought, then accepted, the position of moderator, his duty and responsibility is to moderate. This is a service both to members of the forum, but also to those responsible for maintaining the forum. By accepting the moderator position, he took on these responsibilities. If he doesn't want them, then he should resign.
I have to ask you something paul. Are you physically incapable of typing the word 'she'? And just my opinion, but you're taking this place a tad too seriously. Xev does moderate. In her forum. When she participates in other forums, she does not moderate. Do you get it now? Has it sunk in? She only moderates on one forum on this site. When she's posting in other forums, she's just a member like you. What is it with you paul? Are you hankering to become a moderator or something? Trying to tell the big boss of how you would do the job or how the job should be done? Sheesh let it go.

Your statements are contradictory. To a certain extent, and by your own admission, he is a "parental figure" with responsibilities, i.e. "to ensure that the members play by the rules." Your statements are contradictory.
Yes... it's always fun until someone loses an eye. She is not a parental figure. She's a moderator. She ensures that the threads in her forum stay on track and aren't sidelined. That's not a responsibility unless she makes it one. It's just how she may prefer to maintain her forum. Or she may wish to just let it all go and let the threads go in whatever direction it goes in. You do realise that she does have a life outside of this don't you? Well one would hope she does. But that aside, the only responsibility Xev should have is to herself. Not to some unknown ninny's on the internet.

That is irrelevant. One doesn't need to be paid to have responsibilities to a position, e.g. little league coaches, well really any volunteer position. If one is not capable of handling the responsibilities, one does not and should not accept the position, whether that position was sought or thrust upon one.
She's not a parental figure paul. She's not someone anyone would look up to on here. Tell me something, where you work, do you view your supervisor or superior as a parental figure? Xev's responsibility if you wish to call it that is to run her forum as she chooses. She moderates. Maybe not to your liking, but she does moderate. The other moderators who have commented in this thread have stated that they don't have a problem with the way she moderates, so why are you still going on about it? So what's your problem? She's not moderating enough? She's mean to you and calls you paula? She dares say the word 'race' in your presence? Grow up and find something more worthwhile to whine about. 'Little league coach'... heh.. do you want her to take you for ice-cream after each of your little discussions?

I do not fail to realise that. I happen to disagree on 2 points. First, that his behavior is any different in the forum in which he "moderates," (and I'm using that term loosely). Second, that the behavioral constraints of moderators are lifted when moderators leave their forum.
Again... it's 'her'. And lordy, if it were up to you moderators would not be allowed to have an opinion and would always agree with all that everyone says. Would you be typing in here if she supported your stance on whether 'race' exists or not?

I'm not sure why you think that other moderators don't have a problem with him. I'm not convinced that's true. I was asked to come here by a moderator, to submit my views.
Let me guess. You were whining like an old woman about how Xev spoke to you and they told you that if you have a complaint that you should post it in this particular forum. That's not asking you to come here to submit your views paul, it's more along the lines of trying to be polite in telling you to quit whining and leave them alone. The moderators on here have stated that they don't have a problem with how she moderates. Her personality is not in question here but how she moderates and they've stated on the first pages of this thread that they don't have a problem with how she moderates. Again I ask why do you have a problem with it? You hankering to take on the job yourself if you manage to push her out?

That statement of his I quoted was an indication of how little he cares about SciForums and its members and what little regard he has for the position of moderator, in the very subforum where his fate on SciForums could be decided. So, it's obvious he doesn't take it seriously and is thumbing his nose at the other moderators, Porfiry, and all of us. That ought to give you such a big laugh that milk will come out of your nose.
So if I told you that you whine like a bitch in heat I would be showing little regard for this forum? Or would I just be putting forth an opinion? How should she behave so that she shows that she cares about SF and its members? Should she behave like you do? Ah yes, but you're a mere member so that would mean that she must somehow act better than you do, in this case meaning whine less. Give me a break paul. Did you expect her to come forth and fight for her honour? Heh... I can only speak for myself but all I'm doing is laughing... at you actually:D... Get a life paul. The other moderators don't have a problem with her moderating style and nor does porf. So all this bitching from you is only working at relieving my boredom at the moment. And lastly, it's 'she'. Can you type 'she'? Or is this some inane way of trying to get back at her for calling you paula? ;)

another example of xev's intellectual repertoire:

in a response to spuriousmonkey


It would be best if you went back to rubbing your tiny cock between your greasy palms while grunting over the underwear models in department store circulators, no?

That is how she is. Most people would jump on that one, but I know her broken record.

To be honest I provoked her slightly here and started using her own words to annoy her, but in my defense that was only after I honestly asked what a 'perameter' was since she used the word twice in one post. She suggested that I use a dictionary. Of course then she claimed that my only argument was to point out typos. No my dear Xev, I thought that maybe perameter was an actual word and just wanted to be sure.

But of course at this point I don't bother having a serious exchange with her since the only thing she does is try to irritate you. I can do the same of course. But I try to refrain from obvious profanities, which are too easy, and will scare off other sciforum members, as they have done in the past.

Should a moderator use these kind of retorts?

I guess some people might think they are funny.
Other peope will find them abusive.

I wouldn't give a shit normally, except that she is a moderator. And I think I might see a pattern here. Every time her position is under fire she calms down a bit with the insults.

But of course this all is just my opinion. Feel free to disagree. And xev might come in here now and comment on the size of my penis.

That is how she is. Most people would jump on that one, but I know her broken record.

To be honest I provoked her slightly here and started using her own words to annoy her, but in my defense that was only after I honestly asked what a 'perameter' was since she used the word twice in one post. She suggested that I use a dictionary. Of course then she claimed that my only argument was to point out typos. No my dear Xev, I thought that maybe perameter was an actual word and just wanted to be sure.

But of course at this point I don't bother having a serious exchange with her since the only thing she does is try to irritate you. I can do the same of course. But I try to refrain from obvious profanities, which are too easy, and will scare off other sciforum members, as they have done in the past.

Should a moderator use these kind of retorts?

I guess some people might think they are funny.
Other peope will find them abusive.

I wouldn't give a shit normally, except that she is a moderator. And I think I might see a pattern here. Every time her position is under fire she calms down a bit with the insults.

But of course this all is just my opinion. Feel free to disagree. And xev might come in here now and comment on the size of my penis.
well, people who come here, and want to form an opinion on the question at hand, might want a sampling of xev, which i'll be happy to provide.

That shouldn't be too difficult.

So you say dear child, but from where I'm sitting and reading your posts in here, it is well implied.


I have to ask you something paul. Are you physically incapable of typing the word 'she'? And just my opinion, but you're taking this place a tad too seriously. Xev does moderate. In her forum. When she participates in other forums, she does not moderate. Do you get it now? Has it sunk in? She only moderates on one forum on this site. When she's posting in other forums, she's just a member like you. What is it with you paul? Are you hankering to become a moderator or something? Trying to tell the big boss of how you would do the job or how the job should be done? Sheesh let it go.


Yes... it's always fun until someone loses an eye. She is not a parental figure. She's a moderator. She ensures that the threads in her forum stay on track and aren't sidelined. That's not a responsibility unless she makes it one. It's just how she may prefer to maintain her forum. Or she may wish to just let it all go and let the threads go in whatever direction it goes in. You do realise that she does have a life outside of this don't you? Well one would hope she does. But that aside, the only responsibility Xev should have is to herself. Not to some unknown ninny's on the internet.


She's not a parental figure paul. She's not someone anyone would look up to on here. Tell me something, where you work, do you view your supervisor or superior as a parental figure? Xev's responsibility if you wish to call it that is to run her forum as she chooses. She moderates. Maybe not to your liking, but she does moderate. The other moderators who have commented in this thread have stated that they don't have a problem with the way she moderates, so why are you still going on about it? So what's your problem? She's not moderating enough? She's mean to you and calls you paula? She dares say the word 'race' in your presence? Grow up and find something more worthwhile to whine about. 'Little league coach'... heh.. do you want her to take you for ice-cream after each of your little discussions?


Again... it's 'her'. And lordy, if it were up to you moderators would not be allowed to have an opinion and would always agree with all that everyone says. Would you be typing in here if she supported your stance on whether 'race' exists or not?


Let me guess. You were whining like an old woman about how Xev spoke to you and they told you that if you have a complaint that you should post it in this particular forum. That's not asking you to come here to submit your views paul, it's more along the lines of trying to be polite in telling you to quit whining and leave them alone. The moderators on here have stated that they don't have a problem with how she moderates. Her personality is not in question here but how she moderates and they've stated on the first pages of this thread that they don't have a problem with how she moderates. Again I ask why do you have a problem with it? You hankering to take on the job yourself if you manage to push her out?


So if I told you that you whine like a bitch in heat I would be showing little regard for this forum? Or would I just be putting forth an opinion? How should she behave so that she shows that she cares about SF and its members? Should she behave like you do? Ah yes, but you're a mere member so that would mean that she must somehow act better than you do, in this case meaning whine less. Give me a break paul. Did you expect her to come forth and fight for her honour? Heh... I can only speak for myself but all I'm doing is laughing... at you actually:D... Get a life paul. The other moderators don't have a problem with her moderating style and nor does porf. So all this bitching from you is only working at relieving my boredom at the moment. And lastly, it's 'she'. Can you type 'she'? Or is this some inane way of trying to get back at her for calling you paula? ;)

your post boils down to four points

1) "Xev moderates." You fail to qualify that statement, and I don't blame you.

2) "Xev's not a parental figure." We've addressed that in a previous post and you even contradicted yourself after you wrote it.

3) "Xev has no responsibility as a moderator except to herself." I disagree with you on this point, but there's no way for me to know because I don't know the duties of a moderator in this forum. If there are no duties, then you're right, Xev has no responsibilities. But then why have moderators? I suspect there are some duties that Xev is responsible for.

4) "The other moderators have no problem with the way she moderates." You may be right, but I don't see how you could know this. I suspect you're just guessing based on the fact that she hasn't been tossed yet. I think I was contacted for a reason, and maybe some moderators are fed up. I'm just guessing too, but I admit it.

The rest of your post is bullshit; irrelevant personal attacks on me. I won't comment on those.

well, people who come here, and want to form an opinion on the question at hand, might want a sampling of xev, which i'll be happy to provide.
I'm sure most people would have their own experiences and own opinions. Most of us have had a run in with the person in question. Myself included. Do I like her? Personally no I don't. She knows that and I am well aware that the feeling is mutual. But then I don't know her, so who really knows what she's like when she's not typing. But then, I don't really like many people on here so who really cares? A point to note is that she's always been as she is now. Does anyone have any recollection of Xev being sweet and nice? I certainly don't. She was made a moderator with the other members having full knowledge of her persona. I have seen so many of these 'ban Xev' threads that they've become tedious. But the question about banning her here is not one based on personality. It's based on her ability to moderate and the manner in which she moderates the philosophy forum.

"The other moderators have no problem with the way she moderates." You may be right, but I don't see how you could know this. I suspect you're just guessing based on the fact that she hasn't been tossed yet. I think I was contacted for a reason, and maybe some moderators are fed up. I'm just guessing too, but I admit it.
You think you were contacted for a reason? This is becoming like the X-Files with you as Mulder. Do you put an X on your computer screen and the informant contacts you with the info? :p... ok jokes aside...

From Porf on page 1 of this thread:
I again repeat that Xev retains the full confidence of the administration.
From James on the same page of this thread, following on from Porf's comments:
...and the support of the other moderators, I would think.
From Coffee following James' comment on the same page:
You would be correct, James. I vote NO.
Again from James on page 1:
We support you as a moderator, Xev. That doesn't mean we like you!
(Just kidding.)

And then we have Tiassa's comment (which had me laughing by the way):
Whether or not I like you has little, if anything to do with your suitability as a moderator. You may be a spiteful, racist (expletive) but, as has been pointed out, it doesn't seem to get in the way of your moderation. To that end, be whatever you are. No law says I have to like it.

There is no reason to dump you as a moderator, and several good reasons to keep you around. It's an easy decision regardless of what I think of the rest of you.


Now Paul, you were contacted by a moderator because of why?... They seem to want to keep her around. From the replies on page one of this thread, they don't appear to have a problem with how she moderates. That's how I know this, or would hazard a guess from those replies...

The rest of your post is bullshit; irrelevant personal attacks on me. I won't comment on those.
Like many in here, I specialise in typing bullshit :D. Don't you feel as though you're in good company? ;)

You are upset that she's made fun of you. You have your reasons to be. But does the fact that she's known to insult people make her a bad moderator? We all participate in trading insults in here, why shouldn't she? Just because she's a moderator doesn't mean that she's not allowed to say what she thinks. I'm going to ask you this again Paul. If she agreed with you on the 'race' issue, would you be posting as you have in here?

I'm sure most people would have their own experiences and own opinions. Most of us have had a run in with the person in question. Myself included. Do I like her? Personally no I don't. She knows that and I am well aware that the feeling is mutual. But then I don't know her, so who really knows what she's like when she's not typing. But then, I don't really like many people on here so who really cares? A point to note is that she's always been as she is now. Does anyone have any recollection of Xev being sweet and nice? I certainly don't. She was made a moderator with the other members having full knowledge of her persona. I have seen so many of these 'ban Xev' threads that they've become tedious. But the question about banning her here is not one based on personality. It's based on her ability to moderate and the manner in which she moderates the philosophy forum.
No one is trying to ban Xev. The question is an opinion poll on whether Xev should continue to moderate. You know that. Xev doesn't even want to moderate.

You think you were contacted for a reason? This is becoming like the X-Files with you as Mulder. Do you put an X on your computer screen and the informant contacts you with the info? :p... ok jokes aside...

Whether you believe that a moderator contacted me or not is independent of the fact. It's also irrelevant to the thread, but you asked me why I was here, and I told you. There's probably no need to keep bringing it up, as I'm never gonna make you believe (mostly because I don't care if you believe or not) and you're never gonna change the fact that it happened.

From Porf on page 1 of this thread:

From James on the same page of this thread, following on from Porf's comments:

From Coffee following James' comment on the same page:

Again from James on page 1:

And then we have Tiassa's comment (which had me laughing by the way):
Now Paul, you were contacted by a moderator because of why?... They seem to want to keep her around. From the replies on page one of this thread, they don't appear to have a problem with how she moderates. That's how I know this, or would hazard a guess from those replies...

So, what you meant to say was that some moderators don't have a problem with her. OK. I never argued against that.

You are upset that she's made fun of you. You have your reasons to be. But does the fact that she's known to insult people make her a bad moderator? We all participate in trading insults in here, why shouldn't she? Just because she's a moderator doesn't mean that she's not allowed to say what she thinks. I'm going to ask you this again Paul. If she agreed with you on the 'race' issue, would you be posting as you have in here?

I didn't start this poll/thread. I didn't even know it existed until it was pointed out to me (by the moderator you don't believe exists).

I don't care that she is insulting me. I don't give a crap. I never responded even once to her insults. The only thing I responded to was her vulgarity and only to point out how disgusting it is.

I don't care if she agrees with me or not. A lot of people don't agree with me and I don't start banning polls or threads.

The question remains upon which this poll was started and upon which I expressed my opinion. You have every right to disagree.

I don't care that she is insulting me. I don't give a crap. I never responded even once to her insults. The only thing I responded to was her vulgarity and only to point out how disgusting it is.

So basically your saying you have no reason to bannish her? I mean we pretty well covered that Xev writing style and her moderating abilities are two separate things. So what is your reasoning again?

So basically your saying you have no reason to bannish her? I mean we pretty well covered that Xev writing style and her moderating abilities are two separate things. So what is your reasoning again?
There is no banning here as I understand it. Just removing her from moderating. I wouldn't vote to ban Xev.
I've already addressed my reasons, and I suggest you go back to review my posts. There's no need to reiterate I think. I will continue to post xev examples as they appear for edification purposes.

Sorry for the mis-wording, all this talk of banishing people has me confused. Could you state your reasoning again because I thought many of us already cover how her eccentric attitude is separate from her job as moderator.

Sorry for the mis-wording, all this talk of banishing people has me confused. Could you state your reasoning again because I thought many of us already cover how her eccentric attitude is separate from her job as moderator.

05-04-04, 10:01 AM
I wouldn't agree that Xev does her job at all, let alone does her job well. Perhaps I am wrongly assuming what a moderator does here. As moderator is defined, she certainly is not doing her job. Her comments are inflammatory, not moderating. Perhaps we can list, or itemize, the duties of a moderator, then evaluate Xev based upon what she does relative to what she's supposed to do.

05-04-04, 11:06 AM
“ Originally Posted by WellCookedFetus
... or perhaps specific examples of her failings?
”
some examples

“ Originally Posted by Xev
Padma:
Hush now, having a womb less fertile than the Sahara is no reason to barge in.
Now, if someone were to "barge in" to you, would he get friction burns on his penis? Or do barren women produce as much lubricant as us fertile ones do?
”

“ Originally Posted by Xev
You lying fucking cumbucket, I did not say any such thing. I gave a snide expose of what motivates a pencil-dicked moron like you to make such assertions............You pathetic cunt, I haven't even been arguing the existence/nonexistence of race.
”

“ Originally Posted by Xev
Try fucking a real woman - you won't take rejection as badly when it comes from the cyber ones.
”

“ Originally Posted by Xev
cunt:"


05-04-04, 01:52 PM
“ Originally Posted by WellCookedFetus
those are quite funny but do you have examples of her abusing her power?

Hypocrisy is not a crime, accusing someone of being wrong because of it is a ad hominem in its self.
”
my point is that these are not moderating statements

moderators should moderate, not inflame

if he wants to be inflammatory, let him do it as a member, so i can ignore him, not as a moderator

no one is arguing whether he is right or not. the question is, should he remain moderator based on performance? i say no.

again, being a moderator here may be different than the rest of the world. so i repeat my previous suggestion; list the duties of a moderator and evaluate xev on the basis of what he's supposed to do as a moderator and compare that to what he actually does in the moderator position.

These examples reflect my opinion well.

ya ya ah ya we went over that about her behavior being separate from her moderating position.

good god! if you don't stop quoting entire bodies of text, i'm going to start a poll to ban you. it is against the rules (that little link at the top of the screen you conveniently missed).

i hope this doesn't tie. It's getting so annoying... can't you open minded people cope with her? I mean; is she that much of a problem? so you don't agree with her... big deal! You can't shut up everyone you don't agree with. I'm with an>droid.v2 - just ignore it if your eyes are too sensitive.

Oh, but I back Padma up.

an>roid.v2,

ah sorry about that I was talikg into paulsamuel and her reply to me jsut above yours.

I'm with an>droid.v2 - just ignore it if your eyes are too sensitive.
.

I think his point was that you can't ignore her because she is a moderator.

Your eyes can't skip over her posts, eh? Some mysterious force is compelling you to read every word?

I have this hightech wheel on my mouse allowing my to quickly scroll past anything, its truely amazing.

My mouse has two "high tech" wheels :p I can scroll away from something vertically or horizontally!

Your eyes can't skip over her posts, eh? Some mysterious force is compelling you to read every word?

What if Xev's post does contain a warning or suggestion from a moderator standpoint. We would miss it because we have been told to skip over her posts because we can't put her on ignore. Do you see the circular logic there?

Point is that Xev is abusive to people. She doesn't care that she is, and revels in. She should not be in a greater position to humiliate people (she can't be ignored, and yet she should be listened to as a moderator) and have the acceptance of the owner of the board as condoned actions. It's still not acceptable to treat people like crap, and be in charge of them as well.

You would miss any important or enlightening message if you put her on ignore just the same if you skipped over her.

How does Xev treat anyone like crap this is the fucking internet, we are all safe and snug typing way and someone spews profanity at you, did that hurt you? Was that anywhere nears as threatening as having that done to you in person? Just sit back and go with it, have fun this is not reality.

You would miss any important or enlightening message if you put her on ignore just the same if you skipped over her.
You would NOT if she were not moderator.

Good point, thanks Arditezza. I hate those smug posts, thinking themselves so clever, yet containing no thought.

the fetus is right. i'm sitting all secure behind my computer screen. how can anyone possibly abuse me from the other side of it? they can't...

My mouse has two "high tech" wheels :p I can scroll away from something vertically or horizontally!

Mine has one and it does the function of your two....take that turkey.

P.S...this thread is intensly retarded....how about actually doing something Sci related instead of follwing worthless pursuits. She will not be booted....no matter what anyone says.

PORFIRY to XEV

"You are doing a superb job. You are a strong moderator, and our forum owes you a debt of gratitude."

*parody of bush lauding rummy

PORFIRY to XEV

"You are doing a superb job. You are a strong moderator, and our forum owes you a debt of gratitude."

*parody of bush lauding rummy

There's yet more irony in that this one is more true than what its satirizing :p

the fetus is right. i'm sitting all secure behind my computer screen. how can anyone possibly abuse me from the other side of it? they can't...

strange. you discount the fact that the written word can have an emotional impact? i think wellcookedfetus is merely posturing and is in denial.

the old adage..."sticks and.....words can never hurt me" seems to have emanated from an individual suffering from mental and emotional retardation

*it would be wise not to place too much trust on this so called "security" behind one's computer

How does Xev treat anyone like crap this is the fucking internet, we are all safe and snug typing way and someone spews profanity at you, did that hurt you? Was that anywhere nears as threatening as having that done to you in person? Just sit back and go with it, have fun this is not reality.

I know some people forget this, but there are people typing in what's on the "fucking internet" and someone (not me mind you as I think she's as full of shit as she is smart) would take her insults personally. Some people aren't "safe and secure" and since it is a real person insulting them on a forum where we DO talk about real life... then those people are being literally abused. Being tough-skinned is not a percursor to being smart, and there are tons of sensitive people out there that could add greatly to the conversations here but don't want to be berated and humiliated by one of it's moderators.

It's not like this is a place where people come to just "have fun". We come to stimulate our minds with debates and discussions, not poke fun at others and act immature and stupid.

Of course I may be wrong, and the original intention of this forum was to turn away people who think in favor of the "reality tv" crowd we have now that loves to rip the crap out of each other and watch others do the same.

Well then some people have security problems is they feel threaten by talking to people on the net. I don't usually go to philosophy sub-forum so I have very little experience in Xev ruining debates with her fowl mouth, But I would love toe see a study on how much she actually effects debates with her insulting.

Well then some people have security problems is they feel threaten by talking to people on the net. I don't usually go to philosophy sub-forum so I have very little experience in Xev ruining debates with her fowl mouth, But I would love toe see a study on how much she actually effects debates with her insulting.
You wont need a study. You could just ask me or look back at what she has written me. She is a real nut-job...and I guess I am too. However, it doesn't feel very good when you can't ignore her and you have to see what she writes. For some reason my eyes go directly to her posts out of fear that she may be chipping away at me behind my back. Fuck it if you think I'm insecure, maybe I am, but I am also a human being with real feelings.
Peace. :)

I don't know much about Xev except for the fact that she did a lot of "cussing" in the Gay Rights thread. The use of inflammatory language of that kind should disqualify one from the role of moderator, in my opinion.

From the replies on page one of this thread, they don't appear to have a problem with how she moderates.

expand please. why should they anyway? do you think the mods moderate each other like they do to the community? where would their bone of contention be?

But does the fact that she's known to insult people make her a bad moderator? We all participate in trading insults in here, why shouldn't she? Just because she's a moderator doesn't mean that she's not allowed to say what she thinks.

higher standards for higher ups. your thoughts?

expand please. why should they anyway? do you think the mods moderate each other like they do to the community? where would their bone of contention be?

I would have assumed that it was self explanatory. And I have no thoughts on why they should. I don't care if they moderate each other or not. They appear to not have a problem with how she moderates. I'm sure if they did, they'd say something. None of them appear to be scared of saying what they think. As for their bone of contention. I'm sure they are more than able to find it on their own and not have everyone else tell them what their bone of contention should be. If you want to know if they moderate each other, ask the mods or Porf.

higher standards for higher ups. your thoughts?
Isn't that the same everywhere though? Does this happen in SF? I wouldn't know and nor would I really care actually. Why don't you ask a moderator and find out?

This is a very difficult decision,.......hmm?
Maybe some nude pics of Xez would help me come to a firm decision.
No, I'm serious.
And maybe some of Goofy, and if counsellor drops a few pounds, you too. ;)

bells

pardon. it appeared that you were quite opinionated and passionate on this topic considering the several, lengthy posts you made in this thread. i assumed you had more to contribute

I wouldn't know and nor would I really care actually

that is too bad. can you not see the inherent hypocrisy of indulging in conduct unbecoming and then expecting others not to do so? how can one ask that a certain decorum be maintained in a particular forum and then go on to flout said decorum in others. that is indicative of a fundamental disrespect towards the forum as a whole and nimbyism at its worst

your expectations of a schizoid role that a mod is called on to play (member/mod) is naive. a mod's input and influence will always carry more weight than a mere member anywhere in the forum. at best there is blurring of roles...authority can be applied indirectly

Why don't you ask a moderator and find out?

well moderators? do you all aspire to a higher standard of conduct that the average member? have there ever been an instance in which xev had been at the receiving end of a mod action? has there been any criticisms of her conduct? however, judging by the outpouring of support by the establishment, i suspect that politics dictates a kneejerk reaction of mutual backscratching and a circling of wagons which is of course, (if i may dare say) a fairly typical, animal like response.

I would have assumed that it was self explanatory.

how so?

I was not aware that moderators had to adhere to some moral code in all forums aside from their own. If that was the case, there wouldn't be any moderators because I don't think anyone would volunteer

that is a sad indictment of the members. i do not buy it

on a side note, racial separatism as espoused by this "exemplary" member/moderator, has in its origins, notions of purity. implicit in that notion are the categories of subhumans. that in turn give rise to.......

http://www.asianjoke.com/pix/images/laundryman.gif

ahh so! velly velly clean

freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism nor does it mean acceptance.

I don't know much about Xev except for the fact that she did a lot of "cussing" in the Gay Rights thread. The use of inflammatory language of that kind should disqualify one from the role of moderator, in my opinion.


Ummm why? Bad poo poo words scare us people?

Why isn't this thread closed?

Prove where she has fucked up as a mod and then start a new thread which has validity. If she hurt anyones feelings then thats another story...frankly you are a sad person then if she did.

Simply booting off a person from their job, which they obviously do right just because she uses less than friendly language is retarded....

Yes I been asking for that evidence for some time. But I don't think anyone is listening.

Yes I been asking for that evidence for some time. But I don't think anyone is listening.

There isn't any. The argument is all based on the fact she is assertive with her words. Its sickening to pay so much attention to one user for being rapacious with her words. Grow up.

Yes but when there have been told that her wording should have no effect they don't see that, their hurt, her fowl mouth hurt their fragile little psyches. :D

CHESTER'S JOB INTERVIEW

"now chester, i am offering you this job on the condition that you keep your hands off my kids. what you do outside my house is not my concern. deal?"

"yezzz! (slobber drool glee)"

CHESTER'S PERFORMANCE REVIEW

"You have done a superb job. You are a strong nanny, and our family owes you a debt of gratitude."

"tankzz! (slobber drool glee)"

it is lack of foresight and abundance of stupidity that prevents one from acknowledging the potential liability. indulging in the very behaviour that one is supposed to be moderating results in moral bankruptcy.

in the end what is left is neither reason nor respect, just a big stick with which one enforces compliance.

*attitudes like this is what fuels america's zeal, fervor and fanaticism
*usa usa

SARGENTLARD

is this what you characterize as "assertive"?


“Originally Posted by Xev
Padma:
Hush now, having a womb less fertile than the Sahara is no reason to barge in.
Now, if someone were to "barge in" to you, would he get friction burns on his penis? Or do barren women produce as much lubricant as us fertile ones do?
”

“Originally Posted by Xev
You lying fucking cumbucket, I did not say any such thing. I gave a snide expose of what motivates a pencil-dicked moron like you to make such assertions............You pathetic cunt, I haven't even been arguing the existence/nonexistence of race.
”

“Originally Posted by Xev
Try fucking a real woman - you won't take rejection as badly when it comes from the cyber ones.
”

“ Originally Posted by Xev
cunt:"

quotes from here (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=35496&page=5&pp=20)

regardless of its inappropriateness , your attempt to mischaracterize and soft pedal what is obviously very harsh and obscene language is far more distasteful than the words themselves. your bias is apparent and that is what is really sickening

wooo, the votes are now dead even

I am kinda new here, I am not exactly sure what's going on or who Xev is, but s/he sure likes to use profanity, from what I have seen and heard

This is ridiculous.


People, this is Xev. :mad:

She's as much a part of sciforums as... well... peace and love, right?


Who can possibly replace her?

Are you telling me that nobody else on this forum is capable of being a moderator in the philosophy subforum?

Show me some nude pics Spurious and you got my vote Monkeyboy! ;) :D
O.K., By a popular vote in my personal messages, I have received a total of 2045 requests to moderate, I am truly grateful to all my fans out there but I must decline.
And yeah, after a year or so you get used to Xez.

I have one serious question, does Xez WANT to still be a moderator or is she doing it still because it's what she was doing yesterday.
If she WANTS to moderate, Shes got my vote.

I have one serious question, does Xez WANT to still be a moderator or is she doing it still because it's what she was doing yesterday.
If she WANTS to moderate, Shes got my vote.
According to this Why on earth would I take this seriously? Do you have any idea how many "I hate Xev" threads have been started?
I love it. I get impeached, I get banned, I find some other way to waste my time. Fuck, I won't even be around for the summer so on the off chance y'all do "impeach" me, best do it now.It appears she doesn't care one way or the other.

Yes I been asking for that evidence for some time. But I don't think anyone is listening.
Hey, YOU are the one that started this thread. YOU are the one soliciting opinions on Xev. These opinions have been given. It's YOUR problem if you don't like what you hear. What, you think you were gonna get a glowing affirmation justifying Xev's behaviour, and it backfired???

Not at all paulsamuel, I wanted to see what the people wanted based on previous threads, I did not know if it would be positive or negative I wanted to find out.

Then again, being Slavs they were of superiour breed than most.

it is sad to see you sell this esteemed moderator short. that alleged quote hardly does her justice and is not indicative of her "social attitude"

in order to be fair, i present another snippet....

....And? The Russians are East Slavs, probably the most pure sub-race of the Slavs. The West Slavs mixed with the Alpines and the South Slavs are the niggers of the Slavic race.

.....that presents a sophisticated and erudite expansion of the original.

Are you telling me that nobody else on this forum is capable of being a moderator in the philosophy subforum?

Not exactly... I just can't see anyone else doing the same job.


It'll be creepy.

Ya who ever else gets the philosophy forum job will be boring to the max compare to Xev!

Give the position to Dr Lou.


I can assure you that it will be a lot more interesting than with Xev.

no crazymike would be even more interesting! :D

Boring maybe, but you'd be hard pressed to find someone less civil.

yeah what happened to crazymike? what's with all this "crazymike banned" business?

pardon. it appeared that you were quite opinionated and passionate on this topic considering the several, lengthy posts you made in this thread. i assumed you had more to contribute

Hmmm was I? Never assume Hathor. The fact of the matter is that I find the whole topic to be amusing. What we have here is not a discussion of Xev's ability to moderate. Instead we are having discussions about her personality. We have the haters and the abused coming out of the woodwork to put their own knife in and we have the brown nosers trying to grovel in the hope that she will mark their name down and take pity on them in the future. I, like many on here, have been confronted by the Xev and let me tell you, it was hilarious. Whether I, or anyone else, likes her is not the issue. Does she moderate in her forum? Yes she does. Does she moderate well enough in her forum, many here would probably say yes. I have to ask, if we get rid of Xev, who would take on the philosophy forum? Who here knows enough about philosophy to do the job?

As to the way she moderates. She is fairly fair in the way she moderates and when she's been found to not be fair, she receives complaints and she has been known to correct her mistakes. After all, that is the issue at hand is it not?

that is too bad. can you not see the inherent hypocrisy of indulging in conduct unbecoming and then expecting others not to do so? how can one ask that a certain decorum be maintained in a particular forum and then go on to flout said decorum in others. that is indicative of a fundamental disrespect towards the forum as a whole and nimbyism at its worst

your expectations of a schizoid role that a mod is called on to play (member/mod) is naive. a mod's input and influence will always carry more weight than a mere member anywhere in the forum. at best there is blurring of roles...authority can be applied indirectly

I've been reading through this and many other similar threads for a while now and it is always a recurring theme. Xev was mean to me and she swears a lot, so she should not be allowed to moderate... she's not respectful, she's rude, she's racist, blah blah blah... If she's mean to you, be mean back. If she swears at you and calls you the names she's known to call people, be bigger and be polite back (will probably drive her up the wall). If you cannot help yourself and must read her posts, don't take what she says so seriously. I cannot understand how or why people feel so insulted at being called names on the internet. This thread is no longer about her moderation style. It's become a free for all because Xev is mean... boohoofreakinhoo. The answer is simple. Just don't read her threads if you're the sensitive type.

Authority can always be applied indirectly by anyone. Not just the moderators. Personally, I treat the moderators as I treat any other member in here. At times I am respectful and other times I am not. It usually depends on my particular mood at the time and the topic of the thread and what has been said. The way I see it, most on here are the same. I have seen many a flame war between moderators and also between members and moderators. The roles are always blurred in here because those who moderate do not post only in their particular forum. Instead they roam free like the rest of us and participate in trading insults like the rest of us. Should we put the moderators in a position where we are meant to bow to them out of respect and agree with everything they say? I know if that were the case, I would not be here.

on a side note, racial separatism as espoused by this "exemplary" member/moderator, has in its origins, notions of purity. implicit in that notion are the categories of subhumans. that in turn give rise to.......
Xev thinks everyone else is subhuman, whether you agree with her or not. Most, thankfully, don't agree with her. That makes this forum more interesting to read. Do I believe in the notion of keeping the races pure? Well seeing that I'm of mixed race myself, I'd be damning my ancestors if I said yes. I happen to like my 'velly velly' unclean ancestry. It has helped ensure that inbreeding was kept to a minimum. ;)

freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism nor does it mean acceptance.
You're correct. So why don't people just tell her what they think of her? Instead of these ban threads where it's done in a round about way, why don't people just tell her to her face, so to speak? Everyone expects her to accept them and when she doesn't, you come crying to mama (or papa as porf, I take it, is male). She probably faces criticisms daily from many members and when she criticises back, we see the crying.

As I said: I don't give a shit about her status here -- but she chose the wrong guy to make a fool of.

How on earth did I do that?
Oh, were you referring to this:

Warning: courtship of the deranged following (sorry Bells)
Origionally posted by an.droid:

Yeah, cool. I'm like, naked too. Feels... so... uninhibiting. Hence the following...

(in reference to an old nite club in seedy Montreal that Wonderboy is crapping about as if... he were soooooo cooooool... still.)

“
I once did, many years ago.
”



He once did. Many years ago.

“
I recall
”



He recalled.

“
the black walls and concrete seating.
”



The place has changed from twenty years ago!

“
Cold and full of multicolored hair, black pants and military boots, it was.
”



Yeah -- twenty years ago, honey. That was during the punk/alternative heyday -- the rebels that have given you a cause today to act like something out of Herman Hesse wearing a Rambo bandana. But... and I mean this in the most friendly manner, if twenty years ago is any indication of what your 1985 pict reveals, as found on your webpage, then I can very well imagine the oscillating vibes that occurred between a crowd of dark rebels and a square-head wearing plaid. BTW, Costa, why not confirm directly as you did for your earlier picts (me-me-me) that Dim and Costa is Dim and Me? At first I thought Dim and Costa were just family. You have changed, my dear, from 1985! What happened?

“
I think things must have changed since then.
”



Uhn, yes, in a nutshell. BUT, why do you think Les Foufounes survived twenty full years? Montreal made it happen. We made it happen. Not you.

“
A cousin of a cousin, who had the naïve stupidity to think he’ll make it big in the music industry, was
playing there at the time.
”


Obviously you were a discouraging influence. A dark shadow haunting a cousin of a cousin's 'ideals'. Too decadent for your military taste, huhn? What is it you like saying about nobility? Something about not being there but trying to get there. Again, obviously, every definition of honour you bestow upon human nature goes no further than your own back door, up your hole. Oh right, you are "the universe becoming aware of itself!" Give me a fuckin' break...

“
But you can only live in the west-island, although you seem the type to hang around the ‘Main’ with all its
artsy-fartsy shops and hippy/homo nuances.
”


Why 'only' on the West Island? Different class? Different lineage? Different race? Different... influence? There are many things I don't find noble in a human being -- and you've presented a bushel of them already in these past few days -- but one thing that truly exposes you, Wanderer, is how you so conveniently ignore information if that same information might serve as a bridge, a reconciliation, a climbing of mountains for another. But no, you will steal that advantage away from them and cut it all up in little pieces just like quaint Vex is fond of doing, and repackaging it all up as 'truth'! But your truth. The truth. God's truth! -- You've forgotten what I wrote to you already, mmmh? Something about needing to be near the airport and watching the planes taking off, and the only reason why I moved here on the West Island? And something about not being into the gay world at all at all. God! I went at length over that one, about not only feeling alienated by the gay world but also disagreeing with it totally. I was being very emphatic! I was being very explicit! I was sharing information. Yet, Wanderer, I've watched you here in these last few days totally mesmerised at how conveniently and deliberately you will twist the truth, just to suit your own selfish purposes. A-MAZE-ING. Totally amazing. Nobility! Gutter majesty, if you ask me. You may think you're being smart in public, but in private, in the quietest of moments when I wrote all that I did to you, I was also being watched... by the greatness of the universe. And that, baby, you cannot, CAN NEVER, re-write! But write all you want here --blah-blah-blah--: cheap SciForum moments is your idea of greatness, isn't it? Warhol's "15-minute claim to fame."

“
The Go-Go Lounge is not bad.
”



Couldn't care less. What ever that is. The last time I went out at a club was like two whole years ago. One of these up-coming days, though, I'm planning on visiting the newest and hottest clubs, like Drugstore's and Stereo's. And dance the last trailing remnants of your horrible being out of my system. Exorism, I think they call it. And what joy that will be! I am of the Dionysian type, recall? Or have you already erased that too out of your stingy memory? Apollo would be sadden. But I don't think Apollo is even aware of your existence. But I'll be sure to whisper all about you in his ear, just for... illustration. I do things when there is purpose. Not when there is a desire for 'control'.

“
But I don’t go out much, the wildlife sickens me. I have to save up energy for a day or two beforehand to
be able to tolerate the hustle-and-bustle of morons trying to get laid and doing ANTHING for it; including selling their dignity.
”


And again, Wanderer reverts to degrading a whole population simply because he doesn't go out much!

“
And strip-joints leave me indifferent. An ass and tits, doing the stripper two- step, only interesting from a
distance for so long before boredom sets in and I start focusing on the patrons and the lust in their disgusting, needy, weak eyes.
”



Oh? I thought you liked Amazon's along the dusty bank of lower St. James' street (far away from Old Montreal). Or are you now trying to get out of it for Vex's sake? The girls at Amazon's website are indeed voluptuous. Not fugly.

Anyhoo-

So you like to 'focus' on the negative -- and even go at lengths to invent it if need be. Strip-joints are meant to be lascivious environments, silly you! Why in hell pick on that?

“
But why such animosity towards Xev?
”



None of your goddamn impertinent business.

“
It is with me that you have a problem; for reasons beyond my ability to consider. Sorry for not being gay.
”




You said it, mister. But there's a whole lot more, isn't there, Wanderer? A whole lot more!

Now... go off and play in your mercenary sandbox -- but should you go out in the real world, perhaps you'll deign to find a third pair of sandles imprinted along the beach someday... Blaming Jesus for not being there when you most needed him! Tsk. Tsk. Now, try to imagine how you could be there for anyone! "Actions say more than words," don't they, Wanderer dearest?

After I wrote you my last emails all in one night, and as I bled there hoping for a response from you, and after giving you three choices: to attack me and tell me to fuck off, to ignore me completely, or to write a 'polite' letter... you seemed oblivious and chose to cop out. Blood to blood means nothing to you, Wanderer! Very well, I thought, time will heal everything. But then gendanken wrote a very well-intended message to me -- and in her smart curt way, a whole personality was revealed to me: she cared. And she was being honest. Something you and the vex don't quite know about, do you? How you envie it in others tho'. But I could not leave gendanken's post unanswered. So I replied, TO HER! Not you, you fuckin' son of a bitch!

THEN

you had the audacity to address me! IN PUBLIC! After feigning ignorance to my last private correspondence with you? And then turning around to tell the whole wide world web to leave your god damn fuckin' penis alone?!!?? You foul slime bastard! I was leaving you alone totally 'till then. TOTALLY! But your hostile nature has been resurrected, hasn't it now? You relish in muck. Vermin. And you're posting all over the goddamn place! Odd isn't it, that ugliness stimulates your very nature? Not beauty, you fuckin' hypocrit. "Actions say more than words." And to think how much more, how very much more, you've said to me in public, like a million times more, than the feeble, often three-worded sentences you threw at me in your bifold double- meaning emails! Just leaving me hanging there, right? But never actually coming out with a solid, honest understanding or admittance of an upright position? Never being forthright? Just hinting at a two-way street? Why? Human psychology is soooo difficult for little old sensitive you? That when you find yourself in the leading role, on an one-on-one, you cop out? Like a looser? A pathetic warrior? Where oh where are all your fancy words then, Wanderboy? Or do you actually really need the crowd just to express yourself? How independent and free willed you are!! But what does that say about you, Wanderlust? How you "did it" in public against me when all I wanted from you last week was an understanding in private, and to peacefully depart from you without going insane? What does that say about you, Wanderer? Something smelly, I think. Something really really smelly called being Vexed.

And, to further with your half-baked ridiculous accusations that you've made against me here in public at the good old SciColosseum, allow me to distribute a few crumbs in kind -- after all, this is YOUR thread and you've complained how much no one exposes. Or were you wishing for the real thing? In public? Where you can handle it? Very well. EXPOSURE!

“
Originally Posted by wanda's bar

“
Originally Posted by an.droid


That, my dear man, gave me a hard-on. Do be careful what you say, I mean don't be careful what you say to me.
”

Uh, subject change please.
See, I’m not a homophobe.
”


How sweet. How friendly. How... inviting.

“
Originally Posted by Wanderer

“
Originally Posted by an.droid


I'm glad you understand this so clearly. Yet, I can't seem to rid myself of the feelings I'm experiencing for you. Perhaps I've reached a new level, the reason why the gods have permitted a continuance of this abstraction that is lust, affection and correspondence. Because none of it will, in the end, deminish me -- nor you! As a matter of fact, it feels nice that there is a real guy out there who I care for. Something about reinstating a layer of credibility to a social-reality that had begun to bore me endlessly.
”


You almost make me wish I was gay.
Almost!
”


Oooh. Here's another obscure answer:

“
Originally Posted by Wanderer

“
Originally Posted by an.droid


Or are both jealous of me for winning your affection?
”


You're getting warm.
”


And while I'm at it:

“
Originally Posted by Wanderer

“
Originally Posted by an.droid


However, both can't approach me! Notice that Xev will never respond to me directly but in company of several others?
”


I think she just doesn't ‘get’ you.
We fear what we don't understand or what threatens us.
”


That was said -- allow me to illustrate now -- after he said this:

“
Originally Posted by Wanderer

“
Originally Posted by an.droid


Or, perhaps, they are jealous of both you and me together? (I'm sorry, Wanderer, but that turns me on.)
”

Ok you are getting a little too Gay now.
”


Notice how lay back he is about my gayness? A little too...? Just a little? Sooo casual. And... inviting. Mother fucker.

And so it continues:

“
Originally Posted by Wanderer

“
Originally Posted by an.droid


Yet, how can a plain New Yorker writer female (Lucysnow) albeit a very smart New Yorker writer female do what we can't, they ask? So, shortly after an.droid came out of the Dearprudence closet, they found that the new Dearprudence was, why, approachable! Even Wanderer could write at length to him! And now without a hard-on! (Darn).
”


Heterosexual all the way...sorry.
”


Why not tell me at this point to fuck off? No... he apologizes. How reconciliatory.

And...

“
Originally Posted by Wanderer

“
Originally Posted by an.droid


And even that Wolf guy noticed drabby old prudence. What gives, what gives??!! Why is Wanderer tolerant towards a faggot anyway, they chew??
”


Wanderer isn't as judgmental and cruel as he comes across in this forum. Wanderer always reflects the attitude of his fellow debater. Wanderer has learned to respect and judge humans through their minds and to behave according to how the other behaves towards him.
”


So... Wanderer understands me in private but not in public??? Interesting. Interesting.

AND!!!

“
Originally Posted by Wanderer

“
Originally Posted by an.droid


BUT, Wanderer, it was Wolf who made an uncanny observation to Xev when he pointed out that she was only jealous that it wasn't her who, in regards to my explicit posts, 'broke the barriers'. He indicated you indirectly as being the fountainhead. And that, Wanderer, is when I was hit with a soft snow- fall. From that point on I started to acknowledge what I had been suppressing all along about you: you inspire me. (But now that fountain has shifted into something else and I'm not sure what that something else is... but, as you're fond of saying, it's the next level.)
”


I'm glad I inspire.
I don't know how but I'm glad anyways.
”


He doesn't know how, but he's glad, after all that gay-speak, he's... glad.

Right.

(Okay -- now I'm on a roll.)

About his recent sweet post to me here; about leaving his penis alone... Soooo -- let us pick that mother fucker apart and deal with it, won't we? Together. At last. Once more. Forever. Then nevermore. Ever. Again.

“
Originally Posted by humanoid

Testy, testy; for a robot you sure have a problem with controlling emotion.
”


Soo... He can say that, after I told him this??? (sorry -- the dates are too much of a bog for me right now to insert):

“
Originally Posted by an.droid,

“
Originally Posted by wanderer



But my love for abuse also hints at my appreciation and respect for pain/ suffering.
It keeps me humble, it keeps me fit and it keeps me careful.
”

Spoken like a true warrior! You see, Wanderer, that's what I meant when I described myself as being the slave to my master. I didn't mean slave as the Queen meant slave; not as a subservient, scrubbing floors to an ideal! I meant acknowledging the warrior as a lord; allowing the warrior to retain a complete sense of worth and purpose. Never ever to sully his courage, his strength, his agility. I remember having a reverie during the long winter months while being in one of my sci-fi modes. (And from where an.droid got his inception.) I was watching the planes taking-off from my window here. One after the other, although against the evening sky I was watching them as pointed flickers of light sweeping into the darkest of nights (lit up like metropolises, someone aptly described them to me once). And I suddenly envisioned a different scenario. An alien scenario. I felt like a dignitary -- a child sovereign, or something similar -- watching my warriors taking off in their spaceships, into the unknown, and blessing them one after the other as they took off, wishing them godspeed, and injecting them with love and fortitude and goodwill. And it occurred to me then that, as the child sovereign, I was surveying my inter-spacial warrior- pilots as supremely distinguished members of my solar kingdom. "What would my crown be without you, my dearest ones," I softly proclaimed. And it was then that another realization occurred: I considered my warrior fleet as my lovers. I was their master but nothing without them. It was a beautiful reverie...
”


How noble of Wanderer not to recall my 'nobleness' by deliberately screwing with a degrading 'robot' an.droid -- because he that is not, can not! Now, had I posted that here, I'm sure it would have floaded endlessly! Oooh, in case you might be curious as to how he responded to that...:

“
Originally Posted by wanderer<