I've been saying this for years. Now there's proof in the media. :mad:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The AIDS virus invaded the United States in about 1969 from Haiti, carried by a single infected immigrant who set the stage for it to sweep the world in a tragic epidemic. :mad:

HIV infections were occurring in the United States for roughly 12 years before AIDS was first recognized by scientists as a disease in 1981. Many people had died by that point.

HIV was brought to Haiti by an infected person from central Africa in about 1966, which matches earlier estimates, and then came to the United States in about 1969. :mad:

The researchers think an unknown single infected Haitian immigrant arrived in a large city like Miami or New York, and the virus circulated for years -- first in the U.S. population and then to other nations....

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2954500820071029?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

Have the Native Americans been complaining?

It's a small price to pay to experience the joy of diversity.

Speaking of which, here is an article on British immigration and how just like us they the British voters were never consulted on racially transforming

http://tinyurl.com/2nlzub

Immigration: The disgraceful censorship by all political parties of the greatest issue of our time

Although this country is supposed to be a democracy, all the most important decisions of the last 50 years have taken place without the consent, and in some cases, without the knowledge, of the British people.

The decision to develop the atom bomb in the immediate aftermath of World War II was made in secret.

When Britain entered what was then called the Common Market in 1973, the Prime Minister, Edward Heath, informed us that there were no implications for national sovereignty.

The cynical Heath was well aware that he was telling an outright lie.

Mass immigration is another case in point. The British people have never been consulted and, more importantly, have frequently been deliberately misled about the massive demographic change of the past ten years.

- snip -

Have the Native Americans been complaining?

How well did mass immigration work out for the Native Americans SAM?

Someone told me that to cure Aids would cure cancer. What do you guys think?

Someone told me that to cure Aids would cure cancer. What do you guys think?

Cancer is an abnormal cell, AIDS is a virus.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The AIDS virus invaded the United States in about 1969 from Haiti, carried by a single infected immigrant who set the stage for it to sweep the world in a tragic epidemic. :mad:


It was going to sweep the world without that single immigrant anyway :bugeye:

It would of come to the US if there had been no immigrants allowed in during the past 100 years.

Someone told me that to cure Aids would cure cancer. What do you guys think?

Well, what was the cure? Improving our genetics technology to make new-born children immune like the small populations that already are? I see a vague possibility of connection between the two if it is a genetic solution. The only other guess from the top of my head would be nanotechnology (i.e., fiction).

How well did mass immigration work out for the Native Americans SAM?

How well did isolation work out for them, don't you mean? Weren't they mostly wiped out by diseases the white men were immune to?

How well did isolation work out for them, don't you mean? Weren't they mostly wiped out by diseases the white men were immune to?

No. I mean how well did mass immigration work out for the Native Americans. Try answering this time instead of asking another question or introducing something else that is irrelevent.

It's a small price to pay to experience the joy of diversity.

Speaking of which, here is an article on British immigration and how just like us they the British voters were never consulted on racially transforming

http://tinyurl.com/2nlzub

Immigration: The disgraceful censorship by all political parties of the greatest issue of our time

Although this country is supposed to be a democracy, all the most important decisions of the last 50 years have taken place without the consent, and in some cases, without the knowledge, of the British people.

The decision to develop the atom bomb in the immediate aftermath of World War II was made in secret.

When Britain entered what was then called the Common Market in 1973, the Prime Minister, Edward Heath, informed us that there were no implications for national sovereignty.

The cynical Heath was well aware that he was telling an outright lie.

Mass immigration is another case in point. The British people have never been consulted and, more importantly, have frequently been deliberately misled about the massive demographic change of the past ten years.

- snip -

I disagree with your first sentence. Immensely. The rest is true.

I disagree with your first sentence. Immensely. The rest is true.

Ha!

It doesn't matter who, or where the virus came from. An in-curable virus will make it's way to each and every continent eventually. But nice try Sandy, on a scale of 1 to 10, I'll give this post a 6 for creativity.

It doesn't matter who, or where the virus came from. An in-curable virus will make it's way to each and every continent eventually. But nice try Sandy, on a scale of 1 to 10, I'll give this post a 6 for creativity.

That's right. We should let in all people who carry transmittable disease no matter what it is. Ebola will get here eventually anyway.

No. I mean how well did mass immigration work out for the Native Americans. Try answering this time instead of asking another question or introducing something else that is irrelevent.

Considering that the US is made up primarily of varied immigrants none of whom are native, I fail to see what your question implies.

Considering that the US is made up primarily of varied immigrants none of whom are native, I fail to see what your question implies.

Don't duck the question. Was mass immigration of whites to North America good or bad for the American Indians?

I've been saying this for years. Now there's proof in the media. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Gee sandy, you make it seem as though that Haitian did it on purpose.

Don't duck the question. Was mass immigration of whites to North America good or bad for the American Indians?

The whites deliberately infected them with diseases to which they had no immunity or committed mass genocide of them for 200 years. Do you envision a similar scenario? The Americans today are more likely to eat themselves to death.

The whites deliberately infected them with diseases to which they had no immunity or committed mass genocide of them for 200 years. Do you envision a similar scenario? The Americans today are more likely to eat themselves to death.

What happened in Haiti in 1804? The blacks killed every single white person on the island. (That worked out reall well for them).

Aside from that, why should white people allow themselves to become minorities in their own country?

The whites deliberately infected them with diseases to which they had no immunity or committed mass genocide of them for 200 years. Do you envision a similar scenario? The Americans today are more likely to eat themselves to death.

There are ways to keep from getting aids. It's not an airborn illness. Practice some common sense and the problem is not so big.

It doesn't matter who, or where the virus came from. An in-curable virus will make it's way to each and every continent eventually. But nice try Sandy, on a scale of 1 to 10, I'll give this post a 6 for creativity.

It matters to me. It's just another reason for us to STOP ALL IMMIGRATION. We have enough people here. We have enough criminal aliens here who are bringing eradicated diseases back. :mad:

STOP ALL IMMIGRATION. We have enough criminal aliens here who are bringing eradicated diseases back.

God fearing Christians, those Haitians.

Did you know that, sandy?

The whites deliberately infected them with diseases to which they had no immunity or committed mass genocide of them for 200 years. Do you envision a similar scenario? The Americans today are more likely to eat themselves to death.

First can you tell us if you are white or black? And what about borderlline people? Also, if people were smart enough to invent this wouldnt they realise that it would spread throughout ALL the colors that people are?

What is worse eating to death or starving to death? Can a person eat themselves to death? If you eat a lot of carrots would you die?

God fearing Christians, those Haitians.
Did you know that, sandy?


I don't care what they are. If ANYONE comes here illegally, they need to get their @sses OUT of here. :mad: The last thing we need is more diseased pukes ruining our country. :mad:

I don't care what they are. If ANYONE comes here illegally, they need to get their @sses OUT of here. :mad: The last thing we need is more diseased pukes ruining our country. :mad:

Ted Kennedy will just let millions of them come in legally. Does that solve your problem?

No. That fat, drunk, pathetic murderer needs to rot in prison, not let more diseased pukes into my country. :mad:

No. That fat, drunk, pathetic murderer needs to rot in prison, not let more diseased pukes into my country. :mad:

:yawn: Is she real or a caricature?

First can you tell us if you are white or black? And what about borderlline people? Also, if people were smart enough to invent this wouldnt they realise that it would spread throughout ALL the colors that people are?



Well, color blind, maybe.
But in the US it has been mostly gays and needle users that have suffered. Maybe someone can give a scientific breakdown of why that is.

Ted Kennedy will just let millions of them come in legally. Does that solve your problem?

The problem of other races affecting our population you mean. :)

Too bad there is nothing you can do about it, enjoy the future :blbl:

Well, color blind, maybe.
But in the US it has been mostly gays and needle users that have suffered. Maybe someone can give a scientific breakdown of why that is.

My friends mother drove into a ditch and got it from a blood tranfusion, before they tested blood supplies for it. This was in U.S. and of course many sexually transmitted cases are innocent victims.

Too bad there is nothing you can do about it, enjoy the future :blbl:

TROLLING and posting meaningless content.:blbl:

First can you tell us if you are white or black? And what about borderlline people? Also, if people were smart enough to invent this wouldnt they realise that it would spread throughout ALL the colors that people are?

What is worse eating to death or starving to death? Can a person eat themselves to death? If you eat a lot of carrots would you die?

I'm black and white and read all over.

you can cure starving to death, eating to death appears to be an epidemic.

My friends mother drove into a ditch and got it from a blood tranfusion, before they tested blood supplies for it. This was in U.S. and of course many sexually transmitted cases are innocent victims.

I'm sorry for your friend's loss. I wasn't saying that noone else has been in touch with it. I was simply stating a fact.
I do wonder how it spreads so much faster elsewhere, though.

Lack of protection. Not everyone has access to health services or education (or disposable syringes) :)

TROLLING and posting meaningless content.:blbl:

I'm protected by my liberal status! :blbl:

The problem of other races affecting our population you mean. :)

Too bad there is nothing you can do about it, enjoy the future :blbl:

It's your future too pal. If you think America is going to be as prosperous with a huge non-white majority, you're in for a rude awakening. The country is already going down the toilet as it is.

Not because of the immigrants.

Not because of the immigrants.

The HIV virus just floated over the ocean.

I've been saying this for years. Now there's proof in the media. :mad:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The AIDS virus invaded the United States in about 1969 from Haiti, carried by a single infected immigrant who set the stage for it to sweep the world in a tragic epidemic. :mad:

HIV infections were occurring in the United States for roughly 12 years before AIDS was first recognized by scientists as a disease in 1981. Many people had died by that point.

HIV was brought to Haiti by an infected person from central Africa in about 1966, which matches earlier estimates, and then came to the United States in about 1969. :mad:

The researchers think an unknown single infected Haitian immigrant arrived in a large city like Miami or New York, and the virus circulated for years -- first in the U.S. population and then to other nations....

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2954500820071029?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

and this matters how?

Not because of the immigrants.

Criminal aliens are ruining the country by stealing jobs, healthcare, welfare, housing, etc.. They're driving DUI and have killed more innocent Americans than the war. They are stealing services from hospitals and causing them to close down from bankruptcy in areas where Americans need them. They are ruining schools by overpopulating them with kids who don't speak English and are pulling the classes down. They are also costing school districts billions. The are costing my country trillions. :mad:

They are adding NOTHING of value to my country. Most of us want them all gone. Yesterday. :mad:

I don't care what they are. If ANYONE comes here illegally, they need to get their @sses OUT of here. :mad: The last thing we need is more diseased pukes ruining our country. :mad:

i would rather have 100 million illegal aliens in this country then you at least they are decent tolerant respectable people

and this matters how?

Now that we KNOW how it got here we don't want anymore diseases from immigrants. Legal immigrants have to pass health tests. Criminal aliens just sneak across the border full of eradicated diseases. You want eradicated diseases back in YOUR country? We'll send you the 50 million criminals we have here that are ruining our country. :mad:

i would rather have 100 million illegal aliens in this country then you at least they are decent tolerant respectable people

Fine. You can have the 50 million criminals. They'd probably fit right in.

Now that we KNOW how it got here we don't want anymore diseases from immigrants. Legal immigrants have to pass health tests. Criminal aliens just sneak across the border full of eradicated diseases. You want eradicated diseases back in YOUR country? We'll send you the 50 million criminals we have here that are ruining our country. :mad:

how it got into the country is at this juncture irrelevent and to act like it is is stupid and foolish

I don't care what they are. If ANYONE comes here illegally, they need to get their @sses OUT of here. :mad: The last thing we need is more diseased pukes ruining our country. :mad:

Where does it say that the individual who may have possibly brought the disease into the US was an illegal immigrant? Or are you confusing the issue in your rampant xenophobia?

:yawn: Is she real or a caricature?

This should answer your question:
Now that we KNOW how it got here we don't want anymore diseases from immigrants. Legal immigrants have to pass health tests. Criminal aliens just sneak across the border full of eradicated diseases. You want eradicated diseases back in YOUR country? We'll send you the 50 million criminals we have here that are ruining our country. :mad:

No one can be that dumb ...

Then again, Count Soduku seems to believe her.

This should answer your question:


No one can be that dumb ...

Then again, Count Soduku seems to believe her.

a great auther once wrote never underesimate the power of human stupidity

i would rather have 100 million illegal aliens in this country then you at least they are decent tolerant respectable people

When they aren't driving drunk and killing people that is.

This should answer your question:


No one can be that dumb ...

Then again, Count Soduku seems to believe her.

Sandy is a little too liberal for me. ;)

When they aren't driving drunk and killing people that is.

most of them respect the laws you see if they get arrested they get deported so they try to follow the law as much as possible and it has never been proven that they are more likely to drive drunk or kill people

a great auther once wrote never underesimate the power of human stupidity

When it comes to stupidity no one beats a liberal. That is unless their goal is to destroy the country in which case they would be doing all the right things.

most of them respect the laws you see if they get arrested they get deported so they try to follow the law as much as possible and it has never been proven that they are more likely to drive drunk or kill people

First off, if they are here illegally, they already broke the law.

Second, they do break the law more often.

http://amren.com/Reports/Hispanics/Hispanics.htm

Hispanics: A Statistical Portrait

Major Findings

Income and Wealth

Per capita income of Hispanics is one half that of non-Hispanic whites, and household net worth is less than one tenth.

Fifty percent of Hispanic households use some form of welfare, the highest rate of any major population group.

Crime

Hispanics are 3.3 times more likely to be in prison than whites; they are 4.2 times more likely to be in prison for murder, and 5.8 times more likely to be in prison for felony drug crimes.

Young Hispanics are 19 times more likely than young whites (and slightly more likely than young blacks) to be in youth gangs.

Education

Hispanics drop out of high school at three times the white rate and twice the black rate.

Even third-generation Hispanics drop out of school at a higher rate than blacks and are less likely to be college graduates.

From 1992 to 2003, Hispanic illiteracy in English rose from 35 percent to 44 percent.

The average Hispanic 12th-grader reads and does math at the level of the average white 8th-grader.

Families and Health

At 43 percent, the Hispanic illegitimacy rate is twice the white rate, and Hispanic women have abortions at 2.7 times the white rate.

Hispanics are three times more likely than whites not to have medical insurance, and die from AIDS and tuberculosis at three times the white rate.

In California, the cost of free medical care for illegal aliens forced 60 hospitals to close between 1993 and 2003.

Attitudes

Only 33 percent of citizens of Hispanic origin consider themselves "Americans" first. The rest consider themselves either "Hispanic/Latino" or their former nationality first.

When it comes to stupidity no one beats a liberal. That is unless their goal is to destroy the country in which case they would be doing all the right things.

most of the laws and programs that make this country great were liberal ideas social security government partonship of the arts freedom of religion to name 3

I'm sorry for your friend's loss. I wasn't saying that noone else has been in touch with it. I was simply stating a fact.
I do wonder how it spreads so much faster elsewhere, though.

I think it is due mainly to boredom and poverty. Poor countries do seem to reproduce at astounding rates, since poverty and disease go hand in hand and it looks like promiscuity also this would be normal. Oone mistake and you pay the ultimate price, throw in drugs and alcohol and we have disaster waiting to happen.

People assert that condoms are the answer but it is difficult to envision this as realistic. Not only that but where do used condoms go?:eek: Think about that and multiply it by trillions.

First off, if they are here illegally, they already broke the law.

Second, they do break the law more often.

http://amren.com/Reports/Hispanics/Hispanics.htm

Hispanics: A Statistical Portrait

Major Findings

Income and Wealth

Per capita income of Hispanics is one half that of non-Hispanic whites, and household net worth is less than one tenth.

Fifty percent of Hispanic households use some form of welfare, the highest rate of any major population group.

Crime

Hispanics are 3.3 times more likely to be in prison than whites; they are 4.2 times more likely to be in prison for murder, and 5.8 times more likely to be in prison for felony drug crimes.

Young Hispanics are 19 times more likely than young whites (and slightly more likely than young blacks) to be in youth gangs.

Education

Hispanics drop out of high school at three times the white rate and twice the black rate.

Even third-generation Hispanics drop out of school at a higher rate than blacks and are less likely to be college graduates.

From 1992 to 2003, Hispanic illiteracy in English rose from 35 percent to 44 percent.

The average Hispanic 12th-grader reads and does math at the level of the average white 8th-grader.

Families and Health

At 43 percent, the Hispanic illegitimacy rate is twice the white rate, and Hispanic women have abortions at 2.7 times the white rate.

Hispanics are three times more likely than whites not to have medical insurance, and die from AIDS and tuberculosis at three times the white rate.

In California, the cost of free medical care for illegal aliens forced 60 hospitals to close between 1993 and 2003.

Attitudes

Only 33 percent of citizens of Hispanic origin consider themselves "Americans" first. The rest consider themselves either "Hispanic/Latino" or their former nationality first.

you know your source is probably racist right?

most of the laws and programs that make this country great were liberal ideas social security government partonship of the arts freedom of religion to name 3

Bull. Social security is a joke. Personal accounts would be much better but the whiney/entitlement libs won't go for it. The millions for the arts are a waste. We have much bigger/more important needs than the arts. Freedom of religion could be a huge problem for us too if we're not careful.

you know your source is probably racist right?

Isn't EVERYTHING that you disagree with? :confused:

most of the laws and programs that make this country great were liberal ideas social security government partonship of the arts freedom of religion to name 3

Social Security is a pyramid scheme used to buy today's votes with tomorrow's money.

Funding pinko degenerate art is only good if you are a pinko degenerate.

And what do liberals have to do with "freedom of religion"? Liberals today are dong everything they can to destroy Christianity.

you know your source is probably racist right?

Yes it is a "racist" website. Racist meaning anything to do with race that liberals don't like no matter how true it is.

BTW, the stats are taken from Department of Justice.

Isn't EVERYTHING that you disagree with? :confused:

no and i'm not supriesed your confused your addiction to jesus must hurt ability to understand other people

no and i'm not supriesed your confused your addiction to jesus must hurt ability to understand other people

Ask not if something is "racist". Ask whether something is true or not.

Ask not if something is "racist". Ask whether something is true or not.

its has been my expierence when a group say they are the ones with the real facts on a race or ethnic group they are racist and can not be trusted to provide accurate data

its has been my expierence when a group say they are the ones with the real facts on a race or ethnic group they are racist and can not be trusted to provide accurate data

Who exactly does provide accurate data?

non governemntal non partisen research groups

non governemntal non partisen research groups

Like who?

the cdc

non governmental non partisan research groups

Um. A fact is a fact.

Funny, when that fact says, "Black people are just better athletes" (just look at professional sport) or "Asians are the worlds most adept musicians" (by a percentage of whatever the population they are a member of, then outstrip all other groups), no one says "HOW RACIST", but when a statistic comes out that disparages a group (unless they are white, white people are fair game), the facts are immediately question, discredited with all due speed and with everything the liberal elite can muster, and the presenters are labeled racists.

A fact is just that: a fact.

~String

A fact is as good as the flat earth theory (<---ex-fact)

the cdc

Does the CDC cover crime stats by race?

Instead of debating about who brought what where and when, we should be

trying to find ways of finding cures to stop this problem of AIDS and cancer.

If all we do is bicker the problem only gets worse and continues to grow.

Trying to educate people about prevention and remedies is a better way to

fight this problem IMHO.

A fact is as good as the flat earth theory.

"Flat Earth theory" is a theory. A fact is a fact. A fact can be either true or false.

Does the CDC cover crime stats by race?

you never said my example had to be germain to the topic at hand

"Flat Earth theory" is a theory. A fact is a fact. A fact can be either true or false.

The reality of it all is that people are dying daily and it is only getting worse worldwide.

Instead of debating about who brought what where and when, we should be

trying to find ways of finding cures to stop this problem of AIDS and cancer.

If all we do is bicker the problem only gets worse and continues to grow.

Trying to educate people about prevention and remedies is a better way to

fight this problem IMHO.

thats my point is irrelevent how it got here its here so we need to deal with it

A fact is as good as the flat earth theory (<---ex-fact)

Wow. More brilliance from the liberal camp.

As always, we're subjected to completely vacuous & out of place comments that are all dressed up like super-d-duper intellectual ones.

Only in your bizarro universe, SAM, is an established fact "as good as the flat Earth theory."

Careful, SAM, all those "facts" you puke out regarding how horrible the USA is, are "as good as the flat Earth theory", then. Well, at least we now know how to judge everything you say (like we didn't already).

~String

Wow. More brilliance from the liberal camp.

As always, we're subjected to completely vacuous & out of place comments that are all dressed up like super-d-duper intellectual ones.

Only in your bizarro universe, SAM, is an established fact "as good as the flat Earth theory."

Careful, SAM, all those "facts" you puke out regarding how horrible the USA is, are "as good as the flat Earth theory", then. Well, at least we now know how to judge everything you say (like we didn't already).

~String

But I have incontrovertible evidence, no variance or deviation from the mean.:)

You on the other hand, have selection bias and uncorrected covariates.;)

you never said my example had to be germain to the topic at hand

When you find an "objective" website on crime stats and race please let me know. Otherwise try opening your eyes. If you haven't noticed that blacks and hispanics commit way more crime than whites (per capita) consider getting a brain scan.

Even watching and reading biased liberal TV and newspapers should give you enough information to come to that conclusion.

Wow. More brilliance from the liberal camp.

As always, we're subjected to completely vacuous & out of place comments that are all dressed up like super-d-duper intellectual ones.

Thank you. Just spouting off nonsense in the hope someone else will believe they know what the fuck they are talking about.

When you find an "objective" website on crime stats and race please let me know. Otherwise try opening your eyes. If you haven't noticed that blacks and hispanics commit way more crime than whites (per capita) consider getting a brain scan.

Even watching and reading biased liberal TV and newspapers should give you enough information to come to that conclusion.

Nothing to do with why the arrest rates, indictment rates and conviction rates are different by race?

Who exactly does provide accurate data?

People with verifiable sources, which your website doesn't have.

Nothing to do with why the arrest rates, indictment rates and conviction rates are different by race?

As if the liberal media is going to say blacks commit more crime because they are more likely to be impulsive sociopaths.

If you haven't noticed that blacks and hispanics commit way more crime than whites (per capita) consider getting a brain scan.


That is primarily due to the whites keeping the blacks oppressed and

uneducated for over 200 years. They are also paid far less because of their

underdevelopment and lack of connections into the real world of white

working businesses.

You on the other hand, have selection bias and uncorrected covariates.;)

Nice try, SAM, but those are issues that arise with opinion surveys and statistical studies. Neither of which really applies here.

When a person says, "Hydrogen has one proton" there is no issue of selection bias and uncorrected covariates-- it's not a study and/or a survey.

A maxim is a maxim.

Now-- I wasn't debating the issue of the immigrant (I could care less: wouldn't time and energy be better spent on other matters).

But at the end of the day, no muddying of the waters with pretty sounding phrases de-establishes a thing from being what it is.

~String

As if the liberal media is going to say blacks commit more crime because they are more likely to be impulsive sociopaths.

the problem there is not race its class the poor are more likely to commit crimes and blacks are more likely to be poor it is not a direct relationship

People with verifiable sources, which your website doesn't have.

They use DOJ stats. If liberals could demonstrate those stats were BS they would.

the problem there is not race its class the poor are more likely to commit crimes and blacks are more likely to be poor it is not a direct relationship

The number one predictor of crime in an area is race not income or wealth. There are poor white areas that are relatively safe compared to equally poor black ones.

That is primarily due to the whites keeping the blacks oppressed and

uneducated for over 200 years. They are also paid far less because of their

underdevelopment and lack of connections into the real world of white

working businesses.

Are whites oppressing blacks in Jamaica? Are whites oppressing blacks that have immigrated to the UK in the last 40 years? If they are, why are blacks going there?

Are whites oppressing blacks in Jamaica? Are whites oppressing blacks that have immigrated to the UK in the last 40 years? If they are, why are blacks going there?

That's a variable you're not supposed to talk about, Count! You're just supposed to stick with the facts in the USA. By bringing up the global reality that where ever black people immigrate to on this entire planet, the crime rates spike dramatically. In, ultra liberal places like Spain & France and quasi-liberal societies like the UK where there are generous social programs, housing and substantially better education systems, black immigrants do far worse, commit more crime and end up on the dole more often than natives and other immigrant groups.

But, SHHHHH!

Don't talk about this. There are issues [queue big garbled word time] "Selection Bias" "Uncorrected Covariates". That explains the issue: it's all the study's fault.

OH-- and you're a racist too.

Don't ask, ignore the facts.

~String

Nice try, SAM, but those are issues that arise with opinion surveys and statistical studies. Neither of which really applies here.

When a person says, "Hydrogen has one proton" there is no issue of selection bias and uncorrected covariates-- it's not a study and/or a survey.

A maxim is a maxim.

Now-- I wasn't debating the issue of the immigrant (I could care less: wouldn't time and energy be better spent on other matters).

But at the end of the day, no muddying of the waters with pretty sounding phrases de-establishes a thing from being what it is.

~String

If you're basing it on your anecdotal evidence, it will be treated as an anecdote. The fact that hydrogen has one proton is not based on anecdotal evidence.

That's a variable you're not supposed to talk about, Count! You're just supposed to stick with the facts in the USA. By bringing up the global reality that where ever black people immigrate to on this entire planet, the crime rates spike dramatically. In, ultra liberal places like Spain & France and quasi-liberal societies like the UK where there are generous social programs, housing and substantially better education systems, black immigrants do far worse, commit more crime and end up on the dole more often than natives and other immigrant groups.

But, SHHHHH!

Don't talk about this. There are issues [queue big garbled word time] "Selection Bias" "Uncorrected Covariates". That explains the issue: it's all the study's fault.

OH-- and you're a racist too.

Don't ask, ignore the facts.

~String

I'm surprised that as a gay man, you let anecdotes decide your "facts"; as a member of a community that has suffered discrimination due to such "facts" one would expect more from you.

If you're basing it on your anecdotal evidence, it will be treated as an anecdote. The fact that hydrogen has one proton is not based on anecdotal evidence.

What was I basing my evidence on? And which facts have I posited other than those absolutely established by societies with African immigration: black people commit substantially more crimes. You can explain away that reality, but when it happens in every single society on earth, that's pretty hard to ignore.

~String

1.Are whites oppressing blacks in Jamaica?

2.Are whites oppressing blacks that have immigrated to the UK in the last 40 years? If they are, why are blacks going there?

1.I don't know because I don't live there. I can only express my opinions

about where I live not where others live at this time. I would think however

that in Jamaica there's been a white power base for many decades and only

recently has that been changed.

2.Again I don't live there but my guess is that somehow the blacks are

being oppressed but again I can't say for certain because I don't reside there.

What was I basing my evidence on? And which facts have I posited other than those absolutely established by societies with African immigration: black people commit substantially more crimes. You can explain away that reality, but when it happens in every single society on earth, that's pretty hard to ignore.

~String

I'd like to see whether it holds true if the society is devoid of racism and provides equal (and I mean EQUAL) opportunity to blacks.

I'm surprised that as a gay man, you let anecdotes decide your "facts"; as a member of a community that has suffered discrimination due to such "facts" one would expect more from you.

When a person is attacked or discriminated against in a job interview, that's one thing. This entire issue is quite another.

1.I don't know because I don't live there. I can only express my opinions

about where I live not where others live at this time. I would think however

that in Jamaica there's been a white power base for many decades and only

recently has that been changed.

2.Again I don't live there but my guess is that somehow the blacks are

being oppressed but again I can't say for certain because I don't reside there.


You've gotta be kidding with me.

So the issue is, on EVERY country on Earth, even those with all black populations, black people are still oppressed. How convenient. Instead of forcing the issue to be dealt with by those with the problem, let's blame everybody else and ignore the elephant in the room.

Also, I've been to the UK and I've lived in France and Spain. There are no societies on Earth that coddle immigrants more than those nations. Free education, free healthcare, free housing. The only thing a person has to do is go to school and get somewhat decent grades, and they'd be able to do what they want. But the truth doesn't lie. In those societies, blacks drop out in huge numbers and end up in prisons at rates that are reflective of this horrifically racist society.

~String

That's a variable you're not supposed to talk about, Count! You're just supposed to stick with the facts in the USA. By bringing up the global reality that where ever black people immigrate to on this entire planet, the crime rates spike dramatically. In, ultra liberal places like Spain & France and quasi-liberal societies like the UK where there are generous social programs, housing and substantially better education systems, black immigrants do far worse, commit more crime and end up on the dole more often than natives and other immigrant groups.

But, SHHHHH!

Don't talk about this. There are issues [queue big garbled word time] "Selection Bias" "Uncorrected Covariates". That explains the issue: it's all the study's fault.

OH-- and you're a racist too.

Don't ask, ignore the facts.

~String

LOL!!! was laughing the whole way through.

It must be "selection bias" and the "uncorrected covariates" that cause blacks to commit several orders of magnitude higher crime per capita than the native population wherever they go.

It must be the white man's oppression in tricking blacks to leave their paradise in the Caribbean and come to Canada that causes them to commit 95% plus of the gun murders in Toronto.

I'd like to see whether it holds true if the society is devoid of racism and provides equal (and I mean EQUAL) opportunity to blacks.

Brazil. Brazil is considered the most racially "blind" society on Earth. Wealth (or in Brazil's case, poverty) is spread pretty equally along racial lines (except immigrant populations that arrived within the last 50 years-- they all fare far better). But again, blacks drop out more and end up more in prisons. It alarmed the Brazilian government so much, that instead of having to admit to the problem they just reclassified all people as "Brazilian and without any other distinction" to hidd the hard truth: even in Brazil, blacks commit more crimes.

But again, even reading and/or admitting to that fact, makes a person a racist.

Better yet, it's a global conspiracy: It's all everybody ELSE's fault! Yeah, that's the ticket!

~String

The fact that they are identified by color makes me think there are racial issues.

Just a cursory search:

No other country outside Africa has such a large black population, about half the total of 160 million, yet blacks are almost totally absent from positions of power - from all levels of government, from congress, senate, the judiciary, the higher ranks of the civil service and the armed forces.

Dining at posh restaurants and
strolling through upscale malls may not seem radical, but for black Brazilians
this is in-your-face activism -- aimed squarely at the myth of "racial
democracy" in Brazil.

"The biggest cruelty we face is invisibility, the feeling that we don't exist," said
Benedita da Silva, the vice-governor of Rio de Janeiro state and before that the first
black woman elected to Brazil's Senate.

"We make up half of the population, but for the most part we don't occupy decisive
political and social positions," she said. "We live on the margins, in the ghettos where
people can't see us."

While many Brazilians argue that the country has been more successful than the
United States in creating a multiracial society, critics say Brazil has ignored
deep-seated racism for more than a century -- simply because racism was never
institutionalized in segregation or apartheid laws as in other countries.



Marginalisation never contributes to assimilation.

The fact that they are identified by color makes me think there are racial issues.

Just a cursory search:

Marginalisation never contributes to assimilation.

Newsflash Sam. Almost every country that is "blessed" with diversity in skin color has the lighest people at the top and the darkest at the bottom. Even in wonderful India. Why is that?

The essential question then is how the marginalization occurs. Is it codified in laws, the way it was in the Jim Crow South? Or by customs, the way it current is in India? Or is the marginalization self-inflicted? That is, are certain groups ignoring the choices they have and choosing to do things like drop out of school, which automatically shuffles them to the fringes of society...

Newsflash Sam. Almost every country that is "blessed" with diversity in skin color has the lighest people at the top and the darkest at the bottom. Even in wonderful India. Why is that?

Because white people are racist?

Because white people are racist?

Everybody's as bigot SAM. One need only go to your country to see exactly how people are degraded.

~String

Everybody's as bigot SAM. One need only go to your country to see exactly how people are degraded.

~String

Is that by the lighter skin people?

Hmm do you think there is a correlation between racism and skin color?

Because white people are racist?

White people are the least racist. Why do you think they tolerate having minorites thrust on them?

Do all ethnic groups have the same level of ethnocentrism? Clearly not, as most groups differ significantly on those traits that are selective in differing environments. And research has now shown that Northern Europeans score significantly lower on ethnocentrism than do most other population groups, and yet we are the very group that is accused of racism![2] How can this be? Well, it occurs for the very simple reason that individualist cultures, who are low in ethnocentrism and high on universal altruism (versus tribal altruism), are the very groups that can be easily intimidated and attacked by others. That is, it is the very nature of other highly ethnocentric groups to use labels like "racism" against Europeans because our nature is not to react adversely, but to try harder to help those in need. It is an advantageous strategy for the more highly ethnocentric groups in the United States to gain advantages against the majority; whether it is blacks, Asian Indians, Hispanics o r Ashkenazi Jews -- these highly ethnocentric groups can extract enormous political and monetary benefits from the majority. But can this continue?

Europeans can only be blamed for so much, and the excuses for other's failures can only take so long to correct, before whites realize that it is not racism that causes disparity but the levels of intelligence and innate abilities that each group has that determines success. The Ashkenazi Jews are far wealthier than the average white gentile, and blacks are much poorer, not because of racism but because of differences in average IQs. The shift to the right is a natural occurrence by a group that has been attacked for trying to help the oppressed, while those with political power and influence seek to undermine white culture by promoting immigration. After a point, there is a natural sense of rebellion and outrage felt by whites, as betrayal by less tolerant groups becomes too readily apparent. Thirty years ago, when the counter-culture of the sixties was preaching world peace and universal love, we were totally ignorant of our evolutionary past and our innate behaviors. Now, thanks to behavior genetics, evolutionary psychology, sociobiology, the Minnesota Twin studies, and a renewed interest in eugenics and human population differences, we are starting to get in touch with our real selves. And peace is not assured, where disparate groups live together but all want an equal share of the pie. We must be wary of political formulations that have ignored our primate past. Multiculturalism, diversity, cultural relativism, postmodernism, radical environmentalism, Marxism; these are all formulas for disaster because they all ignore who we really are.

I've been saying this for years. Now there's proof in the media. :mad:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The AIDS virus invaded the United States in about 1969 from Haiti, carried by a single infected immigrant who set the stage for it to sweep the world in a tragic epidemic. :mad:

HIV infections were occurring in the United States for roughly 12 years before AIDS was first recognized by scientists as a disease in 1981. Many people had died by that point.

HIV was brought to Haiti by an infected person from central Africa in about 1966, which matches earlier estimates, and then came to the United States in about 1969. :mad:

The researchers think an unknown single infected Haitian immigrant arrived in a large city like Miami or New York, and the virus circulated for years -- first in the U.S. population and then to other nations....

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2954500820071029?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true
Okay, so what is the point of this thread? Are we not all still human beings?! An immigrant is still a human being with feelings and dreams. Anyway, there is no scientific evidence to point that an immigant brought Aids to the Americas, just as there is no scientific evidence that some American also contributed by travellig abroad and contancting the disease.

Okay, so what is the point of this thread? Are we not all still human beings?! An immigrant is still a human being with feelings and dreams. Anyway, there is no scientific evidence to point that an immigant brought Aids to the Americas, just as there is no scientific evidence that some American also contributed by travellig abroad and contancting the disease.

The point is that we shouldn't be flooding our countries with immigrants from nations with substandard health care. A whole bunch of diseases that had been eradicated from America are now popping up thanks to illegals from Mexico.

White people are the least racist. Why do you think they tolerate having minorites thrust on them?

Do all ethnic groups have the same level of ethnocentrism? Clearly not, as most groups differ significantly on those traits that are selective in differing environments. And research has now shown that Northern Europeans score significantly lower on ethnocentrism than do most other population groups, and yet we are the very group that is accused of racism![2] How can this be? Well, it occurs for the very simple reason that individualist cultures, who are low in ethnocentrism and high on universal altruism (versus tribal altruism), are the very groups that can be easily intimidated and attacked by others. That is, it is the very nature of other highly ethnocentric groups to use labels like "racism" against Europeans because our nature is not to react adversely, but to try harder to help those in need. It is an advantageous strategy for the more highly ethnocentric groups in the United States to gain advantages against the majority; whether it is blacks, Asian Indians, Hispanics o r Ashkenazi Jews -- these highly ethnocentric groups can extract enormous political and monetary benefits from the majority. But can this continue?

Europeans can only be blamed for so much, and the excuses for other's failures can only take so long to correct, before whites realize that it is not racism that causes disparity but the levels of intelligence and innate abilities that each group has that determines success. The Ashkenazi Jews are far wealthier than the average white gentile, and blacks are much poorer, not because of racism but because of differences in average IQs. The shift to the right is a natural occurrence by a group that has been attacked for trying to help the oppressed, while those with political power and influence seek to undermine white culture by promoting immigration. After a point, there is a natural sense of rebellion and outrage felt by whites, as betrayal by less tolerant groups becomes too readily apparent. Thirty years ago, when the counter-culture of the sixties was preaching world peace and universal love, we were totally ignorant of our evolutionary past and our innate behaviors. Now, thanks to behavior genetics, evolutionary psychology, sociobiology, the Minnesota Twin studies, and a renewed interest in eugenics and human population differences, we are starting to get in touch with our real selves. And peace is not assured, where disparate groups live together but all want an equal share of the pie. We must be wary of political formulations that have ignored our primate past. Multiculturalism, diversity, cultural relativism, postmodernism, radical environmentalism, Marxism; these are all formulas for disaster because they all ignore who we really are.

:roflmao:

Have you read ANY history?

blacks are much poorer, not because of racism but because of differences in average IQs.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1181/concisehistoryofracerelfz3.jpg

And the Spanish brought siphilis to the New World in 1492.

*yawn*

I've been saying this for years. Now there's proof in the media. :mad:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The AIDS virus invaded the United States in about 1969 from Haiti, carried by a single infected immigrant who set the stage for it to sweep the world in a tragic epidemic. :mad:

HIV infections were occurring in the United States for roughly 12 years before AIDS was first recognized by scientists as a disease in 1981. Many people had died by that point.

HIV was brought to Haiti by an infected person from central Africa in about 1966, which matches earlier estimates, and then came to the United States in about 1969. :mad:

The researchers think an unknown single infected Haitian immigrant arrived in a large city like Miami or New York, and the virus circulated for years -- first in the U.S. population and then to other nations....

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2954500820071029?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

And small pox brought by Europeans immigrants killed millions of Native Americans. What is your point?

White people are the least racist. Why do you think they tolerate having minorites thrust on them?

White people were in the minority when they came to the Americas and thrust themselves on Natives in just about every sense of the term. They also brought disease that killed millions. This is one example of how ridiculous your generalization is. White people also had a long history of treating each other pretty poorly. Not to mention the colonization of Africa and elsewhere and slavery as a couple of examples that, well, make your idea about who was the minority and who was doing the thrusting look rather foolish.

.... Asian Indians, Hispanics o r Ashkenazi Jews -- these highly ethnocentric groups can extract enormous political and monetary benefits from the majority. But can this continue?

The Ashkenazi Jews are far wealthier than the average white gentile, and blacks are much poorer, not because of racism but because of differences in average IQs.

Which is it with those Jews? Their high IQs or their extracting monetary benefits from the majority? Whose doing the thrusting?

We must be wary of political formulations that have ignored our primate past. Multiculturalism, diversity, cultural relativism, postmodernism, radical environmentalism, Marxism; these are all formulas for disaster because they all ignore who we really are.

These groups are vastly more open to Darwin's theories than conservative christians, as one example amongst many. In fact this little section shows a fundmental confusion on your part about the different paradigms. Truly fundamental confusion on your part. I cannot emphasize that enough.

HOLLY FUCKING OSTRICH CRAP!! Did I accidently register on ********** 2.0? What the hell's up with this place??

What does "Liberalism" and "PC" have to do with Science? It's actually quite ironic that pseudo-intellect theories tend to result in such long threads on a site named "Sci"forums.

Africans are in America. They didn't get there by going on holiday and deciding to stay because they like the place so much. They did not choose to be displayed and sold at open-air markets. Their females did not choose to be impregnated by their keepers. They did not choose to be subjected to oppression from laws as well as Greek style patronising when they had been "freed." They did not volunteer to have their farm lands plundered or, if they were obstinate, to be hung from trees. After the laws were changed and they had been living there for several hundred years, building, farming, and generally enriching the country economically and socially, it was still not their choice for your society to continue mistreating them. Their children did not write to local governments and tell them to underfund their schools, give them IQ tests (which they had no part in designing), then use the low results to justify cutting their funds even further.

After all of this, what do you expect from them today? Noble princes and queens elevated above all others? I can't remember exactly what he said, but in the Souls of Black Folk Dubois make a comparison to "the black man" being like a lilly: although pure and noble at the top it can't just spontaneously give rid of its roots lying in 400 years of rape. Yes, that's what it is: rape.

This, is much more important than IQ. Why won't the Baron Maxes and Count Sudokus of this forum tell us what they REALLY want? Simply stating figures about intelligence and crime doesn't say anything. What is your solution?

Personally, I wouldn't mind if they came here to South Africa: we need the teachers and the engineers. After the Apartheid government, who weren't doing us any favours (cf, among others, the Sharpeville massacre and the Soweto student uprising; "the happiest natives in Africa", hey?) while they continued growing rich from the gold extract from the deepest mines in the world by the oppressed, gave up power the place has only been getting better (this is debatable, but ultimately true).

Note that the ANC is at its core a socialist movement. When, on television, I heard an email sent by this one dude to a investigative news team that was doing a story on his business where he said "The problem was caused by my workers and since we live in this shit country where the workers have rights I can't do anything about it" I understood where Communism came from, and I appreciated it...

The only thing that the Right has done in the last 13 years years is to orchestrate a series of bombings and wind up at the wrong end of the first treason case since Apartheid. We don't even consider this type of shit here, because we know first hand what happens when the Right get their way.

Why is Storm Fr0nt 2.0 censored?

I thought only criminal illegal immigrants were bad. Now all of them are???

Why is Storm Fr0nt 2.0 censored?
Because we don't want knuckle-dragging boneheads following Google links to our Beautiful Skyforums.

??? I thought she was already here??

Ha. First draft read "(more) knuckle dragging boneheads..."

ah!

If Jesus comes back, I wonder if he makes it through customs, being from the Middle East and all.

Could someone explain to me how it is possible to 'own' a country?

Could someone show me any 'country' in the world that does not have migrants as humans have ALWAYS migrated?

Could someone explain to me how there are those in the world who do not have access to common vaccinations which could eradicate a lot of suffering?

Could someone tell me how it is possible to eradicate all diseases from the world?

Could someone tell me if a population is isolated for many years whether something as simple as the cold virus might just wipe them out?

Could someone tell me how we can isolate certain 'groups' people for a few years and then everso gently when they run out of their precious, oh let's say petrol ('gasolene'), for example, introduce a little ickle cold virus onto the handle of the cans we hand them?

The point is that we shouldn't be flooding our countries with immigrants from nations with substandard health care. A whole bunch of diseases that had been eradicated from America are now popping up thanks to illegals from Mexico.

so what your trying to say europe and japan shouldn't allow americans to imagrate

blacks drop out in huge numbers and end up in prisons at rates that are reflective of this horrifically racist society.


They drop out because they never had an education where they came from

for the most part and then when confronted with trying to learn at a much

older age they are stigmatized .

I thought only criminal illegal immigrants were bad. Now all of them are???

Anyone that comes into America without proper credentials is a criminal

because it's illegal to enter the USA without those papers.

:roflmao:

Have you read ANY history?

Oh SAM. I was beginning to think you had seen the light and started feeling bad about some of my acid tongue remarks directed at you.

Anyway, I stand by those statements. White people are way too altruistic for their own good and it will be the death of them (or most of them). I and a few others have no intention of disappearing anytime soon. You might whine about every little thing we did hundreds of years ago that you didn't like but the truth is we're angels compared to the other races. In fact, I'm an angel compared to the other races and I'm considered a hate filled nazi by the likes of you.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1181/concisehistoryofracerelfz3.jpg

And how do you explain that Jews and NE Asians do better than whites? I mean white people are all nazis that tried to kill all the Jews and are likely to try again for no reason.

Oh, and this is the thanks we get for letting blacks into our countries instead of letting them rot in their hellholes in Africa.

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p247/paristinian/Paris.jpg

http://bp3.blogger.com/_aT7IQ9RZcRM/Rv7RG4xcJ5I/AAAAAAAAAYQ/XFLrrfPwRTo/s1600/sat.gif

Anyone that comes into America without proper credentials is a criminal

because it's illegal to enter the USA without those papers.

yeah, but did this Haitian come in illegally?
Were we even testing for AIDS in the '60s?

yeah, but did this Haitian come in illegally?
Were we even testing for AIDS in the '60s?

Many Hatians have entered the US without proper paperwork. Some have

gotten it before they came here. Those that get here without proper

paperwork find it easy to get paperwork here to at least stay and work. I do

not know if that paticular Hatian had come here legaly or not.

But if he came here legally and we weren't even testing for AIDS (and I doubt he even knew) why would sandy be mad about it?

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1181/concisehistoryofracerelfz3.jpg

And as for this ridiculous picture. White people were light years ahead of blacks when they first met and black people would still be living in the stone age without the help of whitey.

If white people are so terrible then why the hell live with us? Why don't you leave so we can't oppress you anymore? Why is it the farther blacks live away from whites, the worse off they are?

But if he came here legally and we weren't even testing for AIDS (and I doubt he even knew) why would sandy be mad about it?

You'll have to ask her. As I said, I don't know if he was or wasn't here

legally. Back then I don't remember if they tested for AIDS or not because

AIDS wasn't that widely known in America.

Yeah, I always thought patient zero was that flight attendant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ga%C3%ABtan_Dugas

Did this Haitian supposedly spread it through tainted blood or sex?

If white people are so terrible then why the hell live with us?



They were forced to come to America as well as other countries because

they were slaves and slaves have no say on where they are being brought

to or what they can earn, learn or do.

News: An American visiting another country can pick up a virus and take it back to America on return. An American visiting another country can carry a virus into that country.
AIDS can lie dormant in the host for a number of years whilst the host passes it on to new hosts.
How exactly then can you pin point the origin of the disease? And what does someone's legal status have to do with it?

It matters to me. It's just another reason for us to STOP ALL IMMIGRATION. We have enough people here. We have enough criminal aliens here who are bringing eradicated diseases back. :mad:

There is no proof it was an immigrant. It could just have easily been a US citizen on a sex tourism spree in Haiti who returned with the infection. This is more likely, actually, as it would see the spread of the virus into the sex industry, and drug user communities.

As a low percentage of American citizens have passports, it was quite possibly a missionary that brought it home. There you go Sandy, my conclusion has as much proof as any!

They were forced to come to America as well as other countries because

they were slaves and slaves have no say on where they are being brought

to or what they can earn, learn or do.

Are they slaves now? Is someone stopping them from going back to Africa?

I know I'm official in the twilight zone when I read something and blurt out "OH MY GODDDD!!1!", since I'm not Christian, and English is not my native language... Well, that's what happened when I read pseudo&co's latest posts...

You know, this is ultimately proof that the Right will be the death of America, since everyone will simply become so ignorant they simply disappear, while gazillions are spent on invading harmless countries.

Here's a rhetorical question: have you heard of the Nok civilisation (2 words: Wikipedia)? There generally was never any Bronze age in Africa. At least 4000 years ago a culture popped up in western Africa and, independently of the middle East, discovered the Iron Age. Shortly thereafter the "Bantu migrations" began, and Iron age technology and culture (as well as the Bantu languages) was spread to the rest of Sub-Saharan Africa. This is where cultures like those of Mapungubwe and Great Zimbabwe sprang up, trading with Indians and Chinese several hundred years ago.

I don't know, perhaps our definitions of the "Iron Age" allegedly brought to Africa differ slightly. By "Iron Age" do YOU mean gems such as the Congo Free State, where hundreds of thousands of limbs were amputated by good olde king Leopold's minions? http: // upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/MutilatedChildrenFromCongo.jpg/180px-MutilatedChildrenFromCongo.jpg

Or do you perhaps mean Apartheid in South Africa? The wars fought by Europe over land that was not theirs? The building of long railway lines and roads specifically designed to extract resources from the continent? Slavery and forced labour? When you think of all these achievements of your "race" in Africa, do you get a warm and fuzzy feeling inside?

As I said before, I would love it if the "undesirables" from the U.S. would migrate here, since, after Apartheid, our (formal) economy has been growing so quickly that we're in desperate need of engineers, teachers, and doctors. This is true Africa at work, with millions of descendants of "immigrants" from Europe, China, Malaysia, and India (the largest Indian community outside of Asia). We have 11 official languages, and a National Anthem that's sung in 4 of them (in two different keys). Our diversity only makes us stronger.

Our success as a species relies not only on the sharing of innovation and knowledge, but also the FREEDOM that comes with them.

I'm not interested in fairy tales about flying pyrmaids.

skiduki you not interested in anything other than your own point of view. What's to stop you going back to europland. There's still some countries without any black people. I'm sure they will accept you with open arms.

Criminal aliens are ruining the country by stealing jobs, healthcare, welfare, housing, etc.. They're driving DUI and have killed more innocent Americans than the war. They are stealing services from hospitals and causing them to close down from bankruptcy in areas where Americans need them. They are ruining schools by overpopulating them with kids who don't speak English and are pulling the classes down. They are also costing school districts billions. The are costing my country trillions. :mad:

They are adding NOTHING of value to my country. Most of us want them all gone. Yesterday. :mad:

I didn't know the USA was such a crummy society and getting worse all the time. Obviously from your description the USA is a sinking ship. You should emigrate to another country where there it's safer for your family and more hope for the future.

skiduki you not interested in anything other than your own point of view. What's to stop you going back to europland. There's still some countries without any black people. I'm sure they will accept you with open arms.

Europe is being overrun with arabs and blacks.

Do you actually live in Europe?

Do you actually live in Europe?

No.

I didn't say anything about Pyramids, flying or not. In fact, I specifically AVOIDED mentioning Egypt.

You know, I'm actually starting to appreciate your predicament, psyducko. I'm thinking "maybe if I was too lazy to read and unbelievably proud of how little I know, perhaps with a hint of dyslexia, I could have ended up just like him" -- it's just the luck of The Draw, I guess.

Nah, I don't think so.

YOU said that Africa would still be in the Stone Age had it not been for the infinite goodwill of Europe. I refuted your claims. Would you like to discuss my evidence and continue this discussion or are you willing to accept that you're wrong? "Zyxoas is a stinky face who believes in fairy tales! LOL-O-COPTER!1! :-P" is not an acceptable response in a discussion between two people at least pretending to be smart.

No.

Didn't think so. So how can you claim to be European then? Weren't your ancestors immigrants?

I didn't say anything about Pyramids, flying or not. In fact, I specifically AVOIDED mentioning Egypt.

You know, I'm actually starting to appreciate your predicament, psyducko. I'm thinking "maybe if I was too lazy to read and unbelievably proud of how little I know, perhaps with a hint of dyslexia, I could have ended up just like him" -- it's just the luck of The Draw, I guess.

Nah, I don't think so.

YOU said that Africa would still be in the Stone Age had it not been for the infinite goodwill of Europe. I refuted your claims. Would you like to discuss my evidence and continue this discussion or are you willing to accept that you're wrong? "Zyxoas is a stinky face who believes in fairy tales! LOL-O-COPTER!1! :-P" is not an acceptable response in a discussion between two people at least pretending to be smart.

Poopy head. My time is limited like eveyone else's. I don't have time to read nonsense about how blacks used to be able to fly or how they created white people. Why don't you just tell me a few things they accomplished in a couple sentences?

You. A great achievement by anybody's book.

I never said anything about flying and creating "white people." What's with you and flying? Have you been spending too much time on your PC playing Microsoft Flight Simulator??

If you had the time to not only linger around this forum looking for opportunities to pounce on unsuspecting topics, but also to read my last post far enough to make the "poopy head" joke, then you have enough time to read the post before that one.

Okay, here's a single sentence, which even you might be able to understand: the Iron Age in Africa is at least 4000 years old. Will you deny this or admit that you're wrong?

I never said anything about flying and creating "white people." What's with you and flying? Have you been spending too much time on your PC playing Microsoft Flight Simulator??

If you had the time to not only linger around this forum looking for opportunities to pounce on unsuspecting topics, but also to read my last post far enough to make the "poopy head" joke, then you have enough time to read the post before that one.

Okay, here's a single sentence, which even you might be able to understand: the Iron Age in Africa is at least 4000 years old. Will you deny this or admit that you're wrong?

Sounds like BS to me, I'll have to look into it sometime to see if is actually true or not. So why is it that after 200 AD they didn't restart the Iron Age?

What does "they didn't restart the Iron Age" mean? :-/

Wikipedia is your friend. Go to the articles named "Nok" and "Bantu" (under the heading "Bantu expansion") and see what dates you like best. Quote:

Archaeological, linguistic and genetic evidence all support the idea that the Bantu expansion was one of the most significant human migrations and cultural transformations within the past few thousand years.
It is unclear when exactly the spread of Bantu-speakers began from their core area as hypothesized ca. 5000 years ago. By 3500 years ago (1500 B.C.) in the west, Bantu-speaking communities had reached the great Central African rainforest, and by 2500 year ago (500 B.C.) pioneering groups had emerged into the savannahs to the south, in what are now the Democratic Republic of Congo, Angola and Zambia. Another stream of migration, moving east, by 3000 years ago (1000 B.C.) was creating a major new population center near the Great Lakes of East Africa, where a rich environment supported a dense population. Movements by small groups to the southeast from the Great Lakes region were more rapid, with initial settlements widely dispersed near the coast and near rivers, due to comparatively harsh farming conditions in areas further from water. Pioneering groups had reached modern KwaZulu-Natal in South Africa by 300 A.D. along the coast, and the modern Northern Province (formerly called the Transvaal ) by 500 A.D.

Between the 13th and 15th centuries relatively powerful Bantu-speaking states on a scale larger than local chiefdoms began to emerge, in the Great Lakes region, in the savannah south of the Central African rainforest, and on the Zambezi river where the Monomatapa kings built the famous Great Zimbabwe complex. Such processes of state-formation occurred with increasing frequency from the 16th century onward. They were probably due to denser population, which led to more specialized divisions of labor, including military power, while making outmigration more difficult, to increased trade among African communities and with European, Swahili and Arab traders on the coasts, to technological developments in economic activity, and to new techniques in the political-spiritual ritualization of royalty as the source of national strength and health.

Why don't you just tell me a few things they accomplished in a couple sentences?


It depends on what you precieve as "accomplishments". They have survived

in the African deserts and jungles for longer than any known cicilization

without destroying their own environments as many of the whites have

done and are doing still.

CT, that hardly counts as an "accomplishment." Btw, most Africans live in semi-arid regions and savannahs -- you can't practice advanced Iron Age agriculture in the middle of a jungle.

Those people who do still live in the dense forests of central Africa, the Forest People (so-called "pygmies"), have traditionally had hunter-gatherer cultures. They have adopted the Bantu languages but not the culture that came with them. Cf the "African Vision Quest" episode of "Going Tribal" with Bruce Parry.

An immigrant first brought Constitutional Democracy to the USA. An immigrant is governor of California.

This is a stupid thread. The person who brought AIDS to the USA could just as easily been a tourist or a UN ambassador.

Archaeological, linguistic and genetic evidence all support the idea that the Bantu expansion was one of the most significant human migrations and cultural transformations within the past few thousand years.


Zyxoas,

It's pathetically obvious when someone in the 21st century is attempting wholesale historical revisionism of African history to try and make it more palatable to European intellects and satisfy the inadequacies of Western black Afrocentrics.

Africa is historically a continent without the written word and certainly without such complex conceptual ideas as "specialized divisions of labor", "military power", "technological developments" and "political-spiritual realization".

You can't just write books now and throw these terms around as if they were in use back then.

European history was recorded as it was made.

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