My title is refering to a rash of coordinated terrorist attacks in Israeli territories last weekend. The attacks have been claimed by Hammas, a Palestinan terrorist groups, with possible links to the PLO and Yasser Arafat.

If the United States and her allies can use military force among other means to quell terrorism against them, shouldn't the Israelis?

Is it justified for Israel and Sharon to use military efforts to destroy active terrorism inside the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and even other neighboring countries to stop their struggle against terrorism. Let's remember hundreds have died over the years in Israel from terrorist attacks, some of which may even be connected to Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein himself.

I despise war and death and human misery. But in the case of Palastine vs Israel, I am really sick of both of them. If they hate each other so much, they need to go ahead and fight it out. And whats more, the loser needs to shut the hell up and take whats been dealt. I swear, sometimes I think they just want attention.

By this mornings news Israel has taken matters into their own hands including a few potshots near Yasser Arafat's home. I think more to put him on notice than anything serious. Yasser Arafat has decided within a few hours of the response from Israel to ask for international help in condemning Israel's response.

Why is it when Israel makes a response to such human suicide bombings that the Palestinans want world exposure and condemnation of Israel for such and yet when the bombings occur they are mute about the terrorist groups and their activities? Some how this seems to be one of the favorite tactics of the Arab leadership. A misdirection of don't look at what I am doing, look at the other guy's response.

You seem to forget that the jews are on palastinian homeland not the other way around.
Why should palistinian people settle for being 2nd class citizen of a jewish state?
Would you?
Did you know that the current israeli government is RIGHT WING?
Can you for one second belive that?
Right wing as in facism, talk about the blind leading the blind.
What was that old line "People who live in glass houses shouldent throw stones".
Isreal is playing with fire and u watch her old buddy america come running to save it when the fit hits the shan, problem is there wont be much left to save.

Well, I would think the exaggeration of Israeli/Palestinian violence by the other side is self-explainatory - it's simply a case of spin and propoganda. Of course you concentrate on your side's sufferring rather than aggression.

There is an interesting issue over responsibility of the various attacks. With some degree of truth, Arafat is held responsible for suicide attacks - he has, after all, released from prison most of those perpetrating the attacks on Israeli citizens. Yet as the Israelis say, he lacks control and is a weakened leader. It is also unlikely he had any prior knowledge of the attacks. It is questionable whether Arafat does actually have the power to stop such incidents. Yet he is held directly responsible by the Israelis.

When Israeli troops shell Palestinian villages (including schools as last weeks tragic deaths shows), Sharon is in full knowledge of the attacks and has the power to stop them. He is, however, not held personally responsible for the deaths - the targets were not civilians but terrorists.

If we are talking about intentions for causing harm, surely both are on equal terms. If we are talking about outcome, surely both are on equal terms. If we are talking about power to stop the atrocities then Sharon is more culpable.

It does seem that a uniform and possession of a nation-state go a long way to excusing innocent deaths. I suppose it's about intention, but if that's the case why are both not seen as equal?

Get the fucking Jews off Palestinian land and get that right wing fascist bastard Sharron and execute him and the problem is over.
Don't you people see what's happening here?
This is just the starter with the main course of death war and misery still to come.
Sharron is like the young Adolf Hitler, massively right wing in his views and hates another race of HUMAN BEINGS.
He doesn't want peace, he wants war, like bush, in a hope of maybe increasing his popularity.
How on earth do people like him get power?
After he (with American help) kills off most of the Palestinian leadership and decides Israel needs to expand are the yanks gonna help him invade neighboring countries?
Iraq?
Iran?
Saudi?
Remember this is the man who deliberately built Israeli houses on Palestinian land so that Israel would be stuck in this conflict.

Benji,
What u are saing make sense but who are you telling this?? Trust me 90% people in American believe in Media bible that is CNN. What ever they say is true. People here take it as a mighty truth. Since it came from CNN. Now talking about beeing mute when Israelis killed 900 palestanians even little childern and women, Where were we??? Were we sleeping?? or CNN never mention it happened so maybe it never did, correct? There is no justification for killing of innocent but using F-16s and tanks against stone throwing crowd is just sick. How many Israelis have been killed since it all statred?? 164. How many Palestanian killed?? close to 900.



" >>Why is it when Israel makes a response to such human suicide bombings that the Palestinans want world exposure and condemnation of Israel for such and yet when the bombings occur they are mute about the terrorist groups and their activities? Some how this seems to be one of the favorite tactics of the Arab leadership. A misdirection of don't look at what I am doing, look at the other guy's response">>


Well it applies perfectly on us too and to our leaders.We keep close eyes from what Israel does but cry and whine about what arabs do. Now simple example we whine and cry about Pakistan beeing N-power and not to sell them any military hardware and in other hand full fill INDIAs needs?? Now show me some justification there please. Fill Israel with billions of dollars of weapons and when Pakistani's wants there paid off F-16s tell them F off?.........Who ware we joking here?? and then we ask why Muslims and arabs hates us??? Aren't we planting the seeds for all that??? Now our defence delegation is in India to sell them military hardware and on other had we said to Pakistan F off we are not even going to sell u spares for ur stuff. What a joke our foreign policy has become. Now when Israel made a N bomb no one had called it Jewish bomb or when india built a bomb no one called it Hindu Bomb but when Paksitan did they called it Islamic Bomb??? What a pethetic mentality our leaders have. So sad so sorry. That shows that we hate one religion over other. That is what creating all the hate that is what will come and haunt us in future, Our so called fair play. I never like Arafat either they need to change their leader ship for sure. But Sharon need to go to. He commit the war crimes in Arab Israel war and killed many in refuge camps I am sure peopel here know the detials and can post more about that. Now what happens to our human watch when it comes to Israel??? Oh sorry We are not suppose to say anything about it , its a big hush hush. They are superior then Arabs and let them have their way. right??

It's one thing to use literary license to make a point ...

But gross, deceitful exaggeration is something else!... but using F-16s and tanks against stone throwing crowd is just sick. And, just for the record, a stone throwing crowd can be deadly. :mad:

If they hate each other so much, they need to go ahead and fight it out.

Well how can they fight it out, its like a 10 stone bloke getting into a boxing ring with Mike Tyson and expecting to go the distance, aint going to happen, not while American tax dollars funds the Jewish military.


And whats more, the loser needs to shut the hell up and take whats been dealt. I swear, sometimes I think they just want attention.

Hit the nail on the head there, attention of the world is what they want, for each tit for tat bombing or killing one side with scream foul while the other will say it was self defense.
There is a lot of people who dont ever want to see peace, i personally cant understand what claim the Jews have to Palestine, it doesn't belong to them never has and never will.

Benji,
What u are saing make sense but who are you telling this?

Anyone who will/can read.

And, just for the record, a stone throwing crowd can be deadly.

When military action is used against a civilian population something is going seriously wrong, how the fuck can you say your tax dollars are fighting terrorism on one hand then finance arm and back people sending tanks into civilian area's on the other?
Wheres the justice in that policy?
On 9/11 when civilians were attacked it was war against the perpetrators yet less then 2 months on your financially backing a right wing government which is basically committing terrorist attacks on another population.
Its darn right hypocritical and the rest of the world noticed.

" like bush, in a hope of maybe increasing his popularity"

This is the biggest quote of bullshit I have ever seen on this site.
America has it's problems and we can be assholes but to believe Bush wants war for his popularity is a joke. Did you forget 9-11 already?
Come on Benji, give me a break

I agree with benji, I had a great idea a little while ago. If both sides don't stop fighting immediately then NO ONE gets Israel. That's right. The US or NATO steps in and throws everyone out. Simple as that.

I think the Jews were there first, though, benji, they came there after Moses 'let his people go' from the egyptians.

I think you've read that a bit out of context, your not fighting Afghanistan about terrorism if you belive that then you already brain washed.
Your fighting in Afghanistan so you can control the Caspian sea oil pipeline, don't for one second doubt that.
Ok 9/11 was sick, the perpetrators need to be found and arrested, not hunted down and killed what happened to your freedom, justice and civil liberties?
Didn't it strike you as odd that the "terrorists" of 9/11 would be so stereotypical Muslim extremists?
Didn't it strike you as odd that the only country America wanted to invade just happened to "support" these terrorists?
Didn't it strike you as odd the the UN made no attempt to arrest capture or even extradite bin ladden?
Doesn't it strike you as odd that America calls 9/11 "an act of war" and yet refuses to let bin ladden be tried by an international court?
Do you know why they refuse to let bin ladden be tried in an international court?
Because he's got good lawyers, and belive me it wont take a rocket scientist to clear him of these charges in a fair and open trial.
So were back to international vigilante style justice, just fucking great.

You're right benji, you're absolutely right.

But don't shift the blame on me, I'm not the president or his dumb-ass advisors, I'm a High School student in rural Maine. It's not my fault. My parents voted for Gore.

I think the Jews were there first, though, benji, they came there after Moses 'let his people go' from the egyptians.

Yes thats the popular bible version of events, the Jews have never moved by there own free will, they were thrown out of Egyipt, feld to Europe and the Middle East where they "invaded" the palestinian homeland.
In palestine this was never a real problem as the Jewish people are skilled and brought trade and commerce with them, they lived next door to each other contented, no terrorists, no bombings, no executions.
Then Mr Mighty America came along and fucked it all up, gave the Jewish people more power then there Muslim counterparts, built up an impressive amoury in Isreal and more or less said we are taking what we want when we want and you cant do anything to stop us.
Do you or did you expect these people to fall over and play dead?
You have moved people onto land that does not belong to them, where is your justice for these people?
You are funding and arming a right wing fascist Government.
But then again thats nothing new to America is it?
You know what the really lame thing about this whole shit bag of a topic is, im "pro" America, as a country id love to live there, but your policy in the Middle East sucks so bad and is in such desperate need of reform.

Originally posted by Chagur
It's one thing to use literary license to make a point ...

But gross, deceitful exaggeration is something else! And, just for the record, a stone throwing crowd can be deadly. :mad:

So does Bullets, Missiles, Tanks, Machine guns, Mortars, Cobras, F-16s etc etc. People die from bug bite too. But come on dude you and I both knows throwing stones from city block away can't be deadly as shooting from M-16 or M-4. :rolleyes:

Benji, Yes our Middle East policy sucks, no doubt. However to think that Bush wants war is not true, I am sure of that. We as Americans do not want war. Since you need a lesson on what Americans do want, here is a list since you say you would not mind living here just in case:
1) Leave us alone
2) Give us Oil so gas is at $0.99 per gallon
3) Keep as many foriegn speaking motherfuckers in thier own country.
4) Let the stock market rise
5) Let interests rates stay low
6) Don't ever interrupt my fuckin Football game again.
7) Keep my roads smooth
8) Tell the jews and arabs to both shut the fuck up
-thats my personal one
9) Keep my taxes low
10)Leave us the fuck alone.

Besides that, Hey we're cool with it

Yeah it is wrong how the jews have all the power in a palestinian area, and it is arong how they were kicked out. But the jews needed a homeland after their constant persecution from the Nazis and (now) the palestinians. Both sides absolutely hate each other. I will say that sharon is one evil motherfucker, and that the people should'nt have voted out Barak. As far as I saw he was doing a fine job, except for all those killings in the streets. The death count there is catostrophic, mostly on the palestinian side, we all agree here that the violence has to stop and a new, power-sharing representative democracy should be established, right? Or close to that.

We as Americans do not want war. Since you need a lesson on what Americans do want, here is a list since you say you would not mind living here just in case:

Trouble is, in pursuing those objectives you seem to end up attacking everyone esle:

WORLD WAR II 1941-45
Fought Axis forces for three years; first nuclear war, against Japan.

GREECE 1947-49
Supports and directs extreme right in civil war.

PHILIPPINES 1948-54
CIA directs war against leftist Huk Rebellion.

PUERTO RICO 1950
Nationalist insurrection challenges American occupation; US command operation puts down rebellion.

KOREAN WAR 1950-53
Joins South Korea and other allies to fight China and North Korea.

IRAN 1953
CIA directs overthrow of elected left-leaning government, installs Shah.

GUATEMALA 1954
CIA directs exile invasion and overthrow of leftist government; military junta installed.

LEBANON 1958
US occupation ends under UN Observer Group.

VIETNAM WAR 1960-75
Fought South Vietnam rebels and North Vietnam forces; 1-2 million killed.

CUBA 1961
CIA-directed "Bay of Pigs" invasion.

LAOS 1962
Green Berets active in training, military buildup, support of rightist forces during guerrilla war.

PANAMA 1964
Control of Panama Canal Zone challenged; rioting against US forces.

INDONESIA 1965
Army coup assisted to an unknown degree by CIA; left-leaning elected government toppled; between 250,000 to 1,000,000 lives lost.

DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 1965-66
Troops invade during election as pre-emptive action against leftist rebellion or communist government.

GUATEMALA 1966-67
Command operation; Green Berets aid in combat against leftist rebels.

CAMBODIA 1969-75
War against leftist forces; intense bombing; up to 2 million killed.

OMAN 1970
US directs Iranian invasion in support of Omani government against Marxist "Dhufar rebellion."

LAOS 1971-73
US directs South Vietnamese invasion.

CHILE 1973
CIA-backed coup ousts elected leftist president; rightist dictator installed.

ANGOLA 1976-92
CIA assists South African-backed rebels.

EL SALVADOR 1981-92
Advisors aid government forces against leftist rebels.

NICARAGUA 1981-90
US directs guerrilla exile invasion ("Contra war") against revolutionary government; US forces plant mines.

LEBANON 1982-84
Marines help police negotiated evacuation of Palestine Liberation Organization; US forces combat Muslim and Syrian fighters in support of Christian government.

HONDURAS 1983-89
Military bases established for US-backed "Contra war" with Nicaragua.

GRENADA 1983-84
US troops topple pro-Cuban government.

LIBYA 1986
Air strikes against nationalist government with terrorist links.

BOLIVIA 1986
Operation Blast Furnace; US troops and Bolivian police face peasant resistance in cocaine-producing regions.

IRAN 1987-88
Intervention on side of Iraq in war against Iran.

U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS 1989
Troops restore order after civil unrest spurred by Hurricane Hugo.

PHILIPPINES 1989
Armed US aircraft support constitutional government against failed coup.

PANAMA 1989-90
Nationalist government ousted by 27,000 US soldiers; more than 2,000 people killed.

GULF WAR 1990-
Operation Desert Storm drives Iraq out of Kuwait; 200,000+ killed. No-fly zone ongoing; periodic bombing.

SOMALIA 1992-94
US-led United Nations occupation during civil war.

YUGOSLAVIA 1992-94
US troops in NATO operation to enforce sanctions against Serbia and Montenegro.

BOSNIA 1993-95
Operation Deny Flight patrols civil war no-fly zone; air combat, Serbs bombed.

HAITI 1994-96
Troops restore elected leftist president to office three years after coup.

CROATIA 1995
American and NATO forces attack Bosnian Serb airfields prior to Croatian offensive.

SUDAN 1998
Pharmaceutical factory with terrorist links bombed; retaliation for terrorist attacks on US embassies in Africa.

AFGHANISTAN 1998
Bombing of Islamic fundamentalist military camps; retaliation for terrorist attacks on US embassies in Africa.

YUGOSLAVIA 1999
US aircraft play the key role in heavy NATO air strikes against Serbian forces in Kosovo.

COLOMBIA 2000
Special Forces train anti-narcotics and anti-rebel battalions, supply combat aircraft.

MACEDONIA 2001
US forces in NATO's Operation Essential Harvest partially disarm Albanian rebels.

AFGHANISTAN 2001
In retaliation for terrorist attacks in US, forces attempt ouster of Afghanistan's Taliban government, attack bases linked to Islamic militant Osama bin Laden.

10)Leave us the fuck alone.

Perhaps if the US allowed other countries to be left alone you guys wouldn't have to deal with everyone else taking pot-shots at you...

Thanks CC for just about proving my point in every way possible.
Just one thing id like to add CUBA 1961
CIA-directed "Bay of Pigs" invasion.

Hahahaha $200 million dollars and u got owned by a rag tag bunch of guerillas, greatest military on earth my arse, i know it was 1961 but Castro had 30 guys and he took power, the US had bombs, jets, thousand strong armys and still got its butt kicked.
Could say the same about Vietnam but they had the Russians funding and arming them so it was not quite the same.
Castro had no Russian money no Russian guns no Russian tactical support he had 30 guys with primitive weapons, and he stood up to the might of the American dollar and won.

First, I'm far from being an expert on this subject. I'd followed the events from a distance before, but this year began taking more of an interest in determining where I stand.

I believe the 'occupation' of Palestinian land by Israel antagonizes the situation to the extent that we should not support their actions. Israel claims that it is the Palestinians who don't try to stand to their agreements, but that's not an excuse for Israel to neg on the deal either.
An agreement had been reached on the land, yet Israel continues to bring settlements into Palestinian areas. What other intention would they have than to slowly take control of the areas they supposedly allow Palestinians to occupy?
While there are Palestians who would fight those agreements even if Israel DID keep their word, I'd be more inclined to support Israel if they were not deliberately adding flames to the situation by encouraging these settlements.

~~~
Sept. 4. 2001 - USA Today
Vigilantes take up arms, vow to expel 'Muslim filth'
http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20010904/3599125s.htm

"We are doing what (Israeli Prime Minister Ariel) Sharon promised but has failed to do: drive these sons of Arab whores from the Land of Israel," said Shapiro, 42, who moved here with his wife and four children 3 years ago from Brooklyn.
"If he won't get rid of the Muslim filth, then we will."

"Nearly 450 right-wing Jews, all of whom are armed and claim a Biblical right to the land, live here among 120,000 Palestinians. Many, like Shapiro and his colleagues, are ready to strike at any time."

"Israeli officials say the settlers often provoke the violence. Unlike the Palestinians, the settlers are free to leave their homes at will. They regularly attack Palestinian shops while the Palestinians, who are forced to stay indoors because of the curfew, can only watch, according to human rights groups."

~~~
We hear of the Palestinian terrorism daily, but rarely get both sides of the story. I am not anti-jew, I am simply anti-terror, and terrorism seems inevitable in this situation.
~~~

"Since the start of the latest surge of violence in Israel a year ago this month, at least 119 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli civilians in the West Bank and Gaza, according to B'Tselem, an Israeli human rights group that has been critical of both sides. Hundreds have been hospitalized, it says.

During the same time, at least 30 settlers have been killed by Palestinian gunmen."
~~~
(So 119 to 30? And who are the terrorists again?)


While Israel expects Palestinian leaders to take control of their people, Israel is unable to keep their settlers under control either.
To me, it seems to be a double standard, and until the western world realizes this, I doubt there will be any resolution to this issue.
Any attempt at peace would require seeing the situation from all sides.

~~~
"The Jewish settlement in Hebron is a major nuisance, and the lawless behavior by Jews there in recent days leads to one conclusion," the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz recently editorialized. "Hebron must be evacuated."

~~~
Just one papers opinion, but is there another solution?

Right wing facsit Jews, something slightly hypocritical about these people?
Play with fire and get burnt, just dont expect us to come and save your usless arses when the arabs rape you, i for one side with the arabs here and im white, in my 20s and catholic.

Originally posted by Eagle1
3) Keep as many foriegn speaking motherfuckers in thier own country.

You don't speak for me or many other Americans, Eagle1. You calling foreign speaking people motherfuckers speaks volumes about your position.
Besides, many Americans don't speak English, but are citizens just the same. We have never declared English as a national language, in fact we don't have one. There are many areas here in Tejas that have 'Mexicans' whose families lived here even before American settlers did. Plus, I believe the last census shows NYC to be almost 50% NON-English speaking.

And BTW, even if the attacks on 9/11 hadn't happened, we'd be attacking Afghanistan anyway. I believe 9/11 was a preemptive strike against us because they knew that a war was imminent.
Bush may not WANT war, but he sure wants his oil money.
(Oh, yeah .. you can find gas here for $.98 a gallon(!)
~~

Benji: My post was not intended to be anti-semitic in anyway. I do not have hostile feelings for either side, in fact, I believe tolerance is of direst necessity when attempting to bring peace to _any_ situation. Like I said, any attempt at peace would require seeing the situation from all sides, not just those you are inclined to agree with.

I agree but i feel this is not even a problem that should take 2 mins to sort out, simply get off land that does not belong to you.
How would Americans feel if Mexico or Canada decided to build settlements on Americans land.
Israel is big enough without Palestine to house its population, yet it is still occupying a foreign land, us brits know all about occupying land that does not belong to us, in the end we are always forced to give it back and rightfully so.

Nice replies guys. Hey eagle and You don't speak for me either and I am an American.

How dare you fault America for the actions that were perpatrated aganist us.

You idiots in England would'nt be around to spout this shit if it was'nt for us, you would BE high steppen with the NAZI, drinkin warm beer.

If it was'nt for us ALL of europe would be one big happy German state.

How dare you critize us, you should be KISSING OUR COLLECTIVE ASS ANY TIME WE ASK.

ALL YOUR FREEDOM IS THANKS TO US.

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Thanks CC for just about proving my point in every way possible.
Just one thing id like to add
quote:
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CUBA 1961
CIA-directed "Bay of Pigs" invasion.
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DONT FORGET THE LITTLE THING THAT HAPPENED OVER HERE, WHEN A BUNCH OF FARMERS KICKED THE SHIT OUT OF ENGLAND AND SENT THEM LIMPING BACK TO THAT SHIT HOLE YOU CALL A COUNTRY.

BENJI, EVER BEEN TO THE ARAB STATES?

All this crap you spout does'nt mean dick to them, they rather see you dead then liten to you.

Without U.S involement in the world it would turn into big shit hole.

All your little fredoms you take for granted "Like this message board" would be gone.

You would either be prayin 12hrs a fuckin day, or going to rallies to support your glorious leader then back to your shit apartment, and hoping the stae police dont come to get your sorry ass.

If there were no one to police these countries, it would take care of itself by natural selection. The strong survive and the weak die...

This problem in the middle east will never be solved, but by enough bs. there will be an eventual enlightenment in my opinion.

(The only way to win is not to play the game!)

bjl

Clap Clap - thanks for sending this one my way.
PP obviously you did no history in your growing up and continue to believe the hollywood version of events.
Tell me do you believe that John Wayne was the toughest man alive?

How dare you fault America for the actions that were perpatrated aganist us.

To speak my mind is MY RIGHT, so i dare say anything i want.
To clear another point up this thread is about Israel and Palestine, not Afghanistan and New York.

You idiots in England would'nt be around to spout this shit if it was'nt for us, you would BE high steppen with the NAZI, drinkin warm beer.

You moron, at the time WE (the english) entered the war you Americans were sat twiddeling your thumb saying ah another group of right wing fascists in power and on the march ah well cant get us because were not in Europe, what doesn't affect us doesn't bother us.
It was only the actions of the Japanese that got you into the war in the first place, you dident want to fight the nazi's it was the American idea at the time that peace be made with hitler!!!!!!
It was only the actions of one VERY BRAVE ENGLISH prime minister that stopped the nazi onslaught, if we'd have waited for the yanks the nazi's would have been in London by the time we went to war.
But there it is again that typical response to Fascism from America, we don't give a fuck if you kill murder and mame as long as its not affecting us.
Narrow minded bigots like yourself are the mainstream of food for Fascist dictators i.e ADOLF HITLER - Areial Sharon?

If it was'nt for us ALL of europe would be one big happy German state.

FFS get out of your own arse for 2 seconds then i might be able to understand what point your trying to make, America did not save us at all, infact if anyone the fucking Russians saved us, but of course with Russia being communist it never got the gratitude it deserved.

How dare you critize us, you should be KISSING OUR COLLECTIVE ASS ANY TIME WE ASK.
For what?
Fuck off
I am sorry i have said before i have a great respect for America but with shit like 'America won the 2nd world war' is bullshit, they never even joined until 4 years into the conflict and only after Japan had made it easy on them.
Go to school get an education, do history and stop talking shite.
It was millions and millions of innocent Russian civilians who were held up in Leningrad that stopped the nazi war machine, nothing else and absolutely fuck all to do with America.

DONT FORGET THE LITTLE THING THAT HAPPENED OVER HERE, WHEN A BUNCH OF FARMERS KICKED THE SHIT OUT OF ENGLAND AND SENT THEM LIMPING BACK TO THAT SHIT HOLE YOU CALL A COUNTRY.

Right boys and girls, i am starting a collection to send PP to school, this boy needs an education, he needs to understand about history and he needs to stop talking shite.
1.Half of the "farmers" you talk about came from this country
2.Kicked the shit? you mean they said we wont pay tax to england anymore? fair enough.
3.England a shit hole, maybe it is now, back then it was the strongest, richest, most powerful nation on earth, something like America today.

BENJI, EVER BEEN TO THE ARAB STATES?

Does santa wear a red coat?
Yes iv been to UAE to visit my uncle who works for an oil firm, iv talked to the people and they are no different to people this side of the world, just your narrow minded view rising to the surface again?

All this crap you spout does'nt mean dick to them, they rather see you dead then liten to you.

So you by wanting all arabs dead i am justified?
I dont give a monkeys what they would like see happen to me, all im saying is America is being its usual hypocritical self about Palestine, the JEWS ARE OCCUPYING A LAND THAT DOES NOT BELONG TO THEM what more do you want to know?

Remember those farmers you mentioned earlier?
To arabs, when people bomb American targets in the Middle East the bombers are the same as the yanks who forced the british out.
What do you call them? FOREFARTHERS?
what did the English call them at the time 'TERRORISTS'!!!!!!
What part of this are you failing to understand?
Go watch CNN for a while, the blatant propaganda will soon cheer you up, all them arabs dead from Israeli tank shelling put a smile back on your face did it?

The funniest thing about this is im told your a religious person, what happens to religions forgiveness and compassion when war starts eh?
Where do those words run off to at a time like this eh?
How can you support war and call yourself a christian?
Its like being a racists and adopting black children, completly hypocritical, but then again thats nothing new from america is it?

Talking about freedom, to be blatantly honest if American forces controlled England like the Israeli military controls Palestine then i would be a terrorist too.

Just a quick word to say that it still astounds me that people
in the west think they are responsible for defeating the nazis.
Cmmon people read your history it was the soviets that defeated
the greater part of the german army.

The first allied flag that flew over Berlin belonged to the USSR, the US and western allies had to scramble to capture a bit of germany before it was too late.

As for the subject of the day the Israelis are behaving very much like modern day fascist...but they wouldnt be able to do this without US support. Yesterday the US vetoed a nearly unanymous UN resolution to send UN troops into Palestine to stop
the violence and reestablish peace...

And the truly FUNNY thing is that americans wonder why the arabs hate them. I am probably not too far off the mark when i say that any goodwill the US may have gained from 9/11 in arabs countries is now probably gone and buried. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Israel has no right to exist in Palestine. Their expansionist aims in Palestine is analogous to the expansion of Europeans in colonial America and Australia, both at the expense of the native populations. They should be repatriated to europe from whence they came. Of course the Europeans would have none of this.

It's obvious from Jewish history that as a nation they are the worst neighbors imaginable. They, again and again, find themselves at odds with those forced to live in their midst. This holds true in every time and place that the jews have existed.

In the face of U.S. funded terrorism against the Palestinian people by the Israelis, the Palestinians are well within their moral rights to defend their lives and homes by whatever means are at their disposal. Israel is the moral equivalent of Nazi era Germany.

FYI. I'm not a muslim. I am, in fact, an atheist. I have no concern for the mythological squabbles of Jews, Muslims and Christians. From where I'm standing, all three are merely sects of Judaism. My objection to Israel is on the grounds of anti-colonialism and nothing more.

Holy shit this thread seems to be from over 2 years ago LMAO

Israel is the moral equivalent of Nazi era Germany.

Here's a nice book for you from a Jew , might give your words a whole new meaning :
Lenni Brenner's Age of Dictators (http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/)

Does this headline strike as ironic to anyone:

"Vigilantes take up arms, vow to expel 'Muslim filth'"

It is hard to believe the jewish people would have such thoughts after what their people have gone through in the past. But, live and learn.

Eagle, by the way, you'd die of heart attack if you ever played REAL football. Yep, not your "let's hold a cone and run around and pile up on each other" (By the way why do we call it (american) football? The game requires less than 1% use of the foot and it's not really a ball. )

Everything you mention is "Give me...Give us...". You're a classic example of why America is viewed as the greatest danger on this blue earth. Get some education about world cultures and some humility. There's more to the world.