My title is refering to a rash of coordinated terrorist attacks in Israeli territories last weekend. The attacks have been claimed by Hammas, a Palestinan terrorist groups, with possible links to the PLO and Yasser Arafat. If the United States and her allies can use military force among other means to quell terrorism against them, shouldn't the Israelis? Is it justified for Israel and Sharon to use military efforts to destroy active terrorism inside the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and even other neighboring countries to stop their struggle against terrorism. Let's remember hundreds have died over the years in Israel from terrorist attacks, some of which may even be connected to Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein himself.
Israel vs Palastine I despise war and death and human misery. But in the case of Palastine vs Israel, I am really sick of both of them. If they hate each other so much, they need to go ahead and fight it out. And whats more, the loser needs to shut the hell up and take whats been dealt. I swear, sometimes I think they just want attention.
By this mornings news Israel has taken matters into their own hands including a few potshots near Yasser Arafat's home. I think more to put him on notice than anything serious. Yasser Arafat has decided within a few hours of the response from Israel to ask for international help in condemning Israel's response. Why is it when Israel makes a response to such human suicide bombings that the Palestinans want world exposure and condemnation of Israel for such and yet when the bombings occur they are mute about the terrorist groups and their activities? Some how this seems to be one of the favorite tactics of the Arab leadership. A misdirection of don't look at what I am doing, look at the other guy's response.
You seem to forget that the jews are on palastinian homeland not the other way around. Why should palistinian people settle for being 2nd class citizen of a jewish state? Would you? Did you know that the current israeli government is RIGHT WING? Can you for one second belive that? Right wing as in facism, talk about the blind leading the blind. What was that old line "People who live in glass houses shouldent throw stones". Isreal is playing with fire and u watch her old buddy america come running to save it when the fit hits the shan, problem is there wont be much left to save.
Well, I would think the exaggeration of Israeli/Palestinian violence by the other side is self-explainatory - it's simply a case of spin and propoganda. Of course you concentrate on your side's sufferring rather than aggression. There is an interesting issue over responsibility of the various attacks. With some degree of truth, Arafat is held responsible for suicide attacks - he has, after all, released from prison most of those perpetrating the attacks on Israeli citizens. Yet as the Israelis say, he lacks control and is a weakened leader. It is also unlikely he had any prior knowledge of the attacks. It is questionable whether Arafat does actually have the power to stop such incidents. Yet he is held directly responsible by the Israelis. When Israeli troops shell Palestinian villages (including schools as last weeks tragic deaths shows), Sharon is in full knowledge of the attacks and has the power to stop them. He is, however, not held personally responsible for the deaths - the targets were not civilians but terrorists. If we are talking about intentions for causing harm, surely both are on equal terms. If we are talking about outcome, surely both are on equal terms. If we are talking about power to stop the atrocities then Sharon is more culpable. It does seem that a uniform and possession of a nation-state go a long way to excusing innocent deaths. I suppose it's about intention, but if that's the case why are both not seen as equal?
Get the fucking Jews off Palestinian land and get that right wing fascist bastard Sharron and execute him and the problem is over. Don't you people see what's happening here? This is just the starter with the main course of death war and misery still to come. Sharron is like the young Adolf Hitler, massively right wing in his views and hates another race of HUMAN BEINGS. He doesn't want peace, he wants war, like bush, in a hope of maybe increasing his popularity. How on earth do people like him get power? After he (with American help) kills off most of the Palestinian leadership and decides Israel needs to expand are the yanks gonna help him invade neighboring countries? Iraq? Iran? Saudi? Remember this is the man who deliberately built Israeli houses on Palestinian land so that Israel would be stuck in this conflict.
Benji, What u are saing make sense but who are you telling this?? Trust me 90% people in American believe in Media bible that is CNN. What ever they say is true. People here take it as a mighty truth. Since it came from CNN. Now talking about beeing mute when Israelis killed 900 palestanians even little childern and women, Where were we??? Were we sleeping?? or CNN never mention it happened so maybe it never did, correct? There is no justification for killing of innocent but using F-16s and tanks against stone throwing crowd is just sick. How many Israelis have been killed since it all statred?? 164. How many Palestanian killed?? close to 900. " >>Why is it when Israel makes a response to such human suicide bombings that the Palestinans want world exposure and condemnation of Israel for such and yet when the bombings occur they are mute about the terrorist groups and their activities? Some how this seems to be one of the favorite tactics of the Arab leadership. A misdirection of don't look at what I am doing, look at the other guy's response">> Well it applies perfectly on us too and to our leaders.We keep close eyes from what Israel does but cry and whine about what arabs do. Now simple example we whine and cry about Pakistan beeing N-power and not to sell them any military hardware and in other hand full fill INDIAs needs?? Now show me some justification there please. Fill Israel with billions of dollars of weapons and when Pakistani's wants there paid off F-16s tell them F off?.........Who ware we joking here?? and then we ask why Muslims and arabs hates us??? Aren't we planting the seeds for all that??? Now our defence delegation is in India to sell them military hardware and on other had we said to Pakistan F off we are not even going to sell u spares for ur stuff. What a joke our foreign policy has become. Now when Israel made a N bomb no one had called it Jewish bomb or when india built a bomb no one called it Hindu Bomb but when Paksitan did they called it Islamic Bomb??? What a pethetic mentality our leaders have. So sad so sorry. That shows that we hate one religion over other. That is what creating all the hate that is what will come and haunt us in future, Our so called fair play. I never like Arafat either they need to change their leader ship for sure. But Sharon need to go to. He commit the war crimes in Arab Israel war and killed many in refuge camps I am sure peopel here know the detials and can post more about that. Now what happens to our human watch when it comes to Israel??? Oh sorry We are not suppose to say anything about it , its a big hush hush. They are superior then Arabs and let them have their way. right??
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Well how can they fight it out, its like a 10 stone bloke getting into a boxing ring with Mike Tyson and expecting to go the distance, aint going to happen, not while American tax dollars funds the Jewish military. Hit the nail on the head there, attention of the world is what they want, for each tit for tat bombing or killing one side with scream foul while the other will say it was self defense. There is a lot of people who dont ever want to see peace, i personally cant understand what claim the Jews have to Palestine, it doesn't belong to them never has and never will. Anyone who will/can read. When military action is used against a civilian population something is going seriously wrong, how the fuck can you say your tax dollars are fighting terrorism on one hand then finance arm and back people sending tanks into civilian area's on the other? Wheres the justice in that policy? On 9/11 when civilians were attacked it was war against the perpetrators yet less then 2 months on your financially backing a right wing government which is basically committing terrorist attacks on another population. Its darn right hypocritical and the rest of the world noticed.
Benji " like bush, in a hope of maybe increasing his popularity" This is the biggest quote of bullshit I have ever seen on this site. America has it's problems and we can be assholes but to believe Bush wants war for his popularity is a joke. Did you forget 9-11 already? Come on Benji, give me a break
I agree with benji, I had a great idea a little while ago. If both sides don't stop fighting immediately then NO ONE gets Israel. That's right. The US or NATO steps in and throws everyone out. Simple as that. I think the Jews were there first, though, benji, they came there after Moses 'let his people go' from the egyptians.
I think you've read that a bit out of context, your not fighting Afghanistan about terrorism if you belive that then you already brain washed. Your fighting in Afghanistan so you can control the Caspian sea oil pipeline, don't for one second doubt that. Ok 9/11 was sick, the perpetrators need to be found and arrested, not hunted down and killed what happened to your freedom, justice and civil liberties? Didn't it strike you as odd that the "terrorists" of 9/11 would be so stereotypical Muslim extremists? Didn't it strike you as odd that the only country America wanted to invade just happened to "support" these terrorists? Didn't it strike you as odd the the UN made no attempt to arrest capture or even extradite bin ladden? Doesn't it strike you as odd that America calls 9/11 "an act of war" and yet refuses to let bin ladden be tried by an international court? Do you know why they refuse to let bin ladden be tried in an international court? Because he's got good lawyers, and belive me it wont take a rocket scientist to clear him of these charges in a fair and open trial. So were back to international vigilante style justice, just fucking great.
You're right benji, you're absolutely right. But don't shift the blame on me, I'm not the president or his dumb-ass advisors, I'm a High School student in rural Maine. It's not my fault. My parents voted for Gore.
Yes thats the popular bible version of events, the Jews have never moved by there own free will, they were thrown out of Egyipt, feld to Europe and the Middle East where they "invaded" the palestinian homeland. In palestine this was never a real problem as the Jewish people are skilled and brought trade and commerce with them, they lived next door to each other contented, no terrorists, no bombings, no executions. Then Mr Mighty America came along and fucked it all up, gave the Jewish people more power then there Muslim counterparts, built up an impressive amoury in Isreal and more or less said we are taking what we want when we want and you cant do anything to stop us. Do you or did you expect these people to fall over and play dead? You have moved people onto land that does not belong to them, where is your justice for these people? You are funding and arming a right wing fascist Government. But then again thats nothing new to America is it? You know what the really lame thing about this whole shit bag of a topic is, im "pro" America, as a country id love to live there, but your policy in the Middle East sucks so bad and is in such desperate need of reform.
Re: Markx ... So does Bullets, Missiles, Tanks, Machine guns, Mortars, Cobras, F-16s etc etc. People die from bug bite too. But come on dude you and I both knows throwing stones from city block away can't be deadly as shooting from M-16 or M-4. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Reply to Benji Benji, Yes our Middle East policy sucks, no doubt. However to think that Bush wants war is not true, I am sure of that. We as Americans do not want war. Since you need a lesson on what Americans do want, here is a list since you say you would not mind living here just in case: 1) Leave us alone 2) Give us Oil so gas is at $0.99 per gallon 3) Keep as many foriegn speaking motherfuckers in thier own country. 4) Let the stock market rise 5) Let interests rates stay low 6) Don't ever interrupt my fuckin Football game again. 7) Keep my roads smooth 8) Tell the jews and arabs to both shut the fuck up -thats my personal one 9) Keep my taxes low 10)Leave us the fuck alone. Besides that, Hey we're cool with it
Yeah it is wrong how the jews have all the power in a palestinian area, and it is arong how they were kicked out. But the jews needed a homeland after their constant persecution from the Nazis and (now) the palestinians. Both sides absolutely hate each other. I will say that sharon is one evil motherfucker, and that the people should'nt have voted out Barak. As far as I saw he was doing a fine job, except for all those killings in the streets. The death count there is catostrophic, mostly on the palestinian side, we all agree here that the violence has to stop and a new, power-sharing representative democracy should be established, right? Or close to that.
Eagle 1... Trouble is, in pursuing those objectives you seem to end up attacking everyone esle: WORLD WAR II 1941-45 Fought Axis forces for three years; first nuclear war, against Japan. GREECE 1947-49 Supports and directs extreme right in civil war. PHILIPPINES 1948-54 CIA directs war against leftist Huk Rebellion. PUERTO RICO 1950 Nationalist insurrection challenges American occupation; US command operation puts down rebellion. KOREAN WAR 1950-53 Joins South Korea and other allies to fight China and North Korea. IRAN 1953 CIA directs overthrow of elected left-leaning government, installs Shah. GUATEMALA 1954 CIA directs exile invasion and overthrow of leftist government; military junta installed. LEBANON 1958 US occupation ends under UN Observer Group. VIETNAM WAR 1960-75 Fought South Vietnam rebels and North Vietnam forces; 1-2 million killed. CUBA 1961 CIA-directed "Bay of Pigs" invasion. LAOS 1962 Green Berets active in training, military buildup, support of rightist forces during guerrilla war. PANAMA 1964 Control of Panama Canal Zone challenged; rioting against US forces. INDONESIA 1965 Army coup assisted to an unknown degree by CIA; left-leaning elected government toppled; between 250,000 to 1,000,000 lives lost. DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 1965-66 Troops invade during election as pre-emptive action against leftist rebellion or communist government. GUATEMALA 1966-67 Command operation; Green Berets aid in combat against leftist rebels. CAMBODIA 1969-75 War against leftist forces; intense bombing; up to 2 million killed. OMAN 1970 US directs Iranian invasion in support of Omani government against Marxist "Dhufar rebellion." LAOS 1971-73 US directs South Vietnamese invasion. CHILE 1973 CIA-backed coup ousts elected leftist president; rightist dictator installed. ANGOLA 1976-92 CIA assists South African-backed rebels. EL SALVADOR 1981-92 Advisors aid government forces against leftist rebels. NICARAGUA 1981-90 US directs guerrilla exile invasion ("Contra war") against revolutionary government; US forces plant mines. LEBANON 1982-84 Marines help police negotiated evacuation of Palestine Liberation Organization; US forces combat Muslim and Syrian fighters in support of Christian government. HONDURAS 1983-89 Military bases established for US-backed "Contra war" with Nicaragua. GRENADA 1983-84 US troops topple pro-Cuban government. LIBYA 1986 Air strikes against nationalist government with terrorist links. BOLIVIA 1986 Operation Blast Furnace; US troops and Bolivian police face peasant resistance in cocaine-producing regions. IRAN 1987-88 Intervention on side of Iraq in war against Iran. U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS 1989 Troops restore order after civil unrest spurred by Hurricane Hugo. PHILIPPINES 1989 Armed US aircraft support constitutional government against failed coup. PANAMA 1989-90 Nationalist government ousted by 27,000 US soldiers; more than 2,000 people killed. GULF WAR 1990- Operation Desert Storm drives Iraq out of Kuwait; 200,000+ killed. No-fly zone ongoing; periodic bombing. SOMALIA 1992-94 US-led United Nations occupation during civil war. YUGOSLAVIA 1992-94 US troops in NATO operation to enforce sanctions against Serbia and Montenegro. BOSNIA 1993-95 Operation Deny Flight patrols civil war no-fly zone; air combat, Serbs bombed. HAITI 1994-96 Troops restore elected leftist president to office three years after coup. CROATIA 1995 American and NATO forces attack Bosnian Serb airfields prior to Croatian offensive. SUDAN 1998 Pharmaceutical factory with terrorist links bombed; retaliation for terrorist attacks on US embassies in Africa. AFGHANISTAN 1998 Bombing of Islamic fundamentalist military camps; retaliation for terrorist attacks on US embassies in Africa. YUGOSLAVIA 1999 US aircraft play the key role in heavy NATO air strikes against Serbian forces in Kosovo. COLOMBIA 2000 Special Forces train anti-narcotics and anti-rebel battalions, supply combat aircraft. MACEDONIA 2001 US forces in NATO's Operation Essential Harvest partially disarm Albanian rebels. AFGHANISTAN 2001 In retaliation for terrorist attacks in US, forces attempt ouster of Afghanistan's Taliban government, attack bases linked to Islamic militant Osama bin Laden.
Perhaps if the US allowed other countries to be left alone you guys wouldn't have to deal with everyone else taking pot-shots at you...
Thanks CC for just about proving my point in every way possible. Just one thing id like to add Hahahaha $200 million dollars and u got owned by a rag tag bunch of guerillas, greatest military on earth my arse, i know it was 1961 but Castro had 30 guys and he took power, the US had bombs, jets, thousand strong armys and still got its butt kicked. Could say the same about Vietnam but they had the Russians funding and arming them so it was not quite the same. Castro had no Russian money no Russian guns no Russian tactical support he had 30 guys with primitive weapons, and he stood up to the might of the American dollar and won.
