isn't it also demeaning to men? I mean, there are male porn stars. Especially in the femdom area.

isn't it also demeaning to men? I mean, there are male porn stars. Especially in the femdom area.

I only watch the lesbians so I don't know much about this area.

I only watch the lesbians so I don't know much about this area.

pfffft. sure you do.

Would lezbo porn be more or less "demeaning", cosmo?

pfffft. sure you do.

Would lezbo porn be more or less "demeaning", cosmo?

Not to men!:D ;)

Seriously? Do you know anything about the porn industry or is this a passing thought like a cloud on an autumn morning's sky?

Seriously? Do you know anything about the porn industry or is this a passing thought like a cloud on an autumn morning's sky?

Enlighten us

I'd think that if those women didn't wan't to "perform" for the money they are paid then , as many women do, wouldn't become a part of the pornographic industry.

Emmz:

Seriously? Do you know anything about the porn industry


And you do? Are you some sort of porn star? If so, please enlighten us.

if you think its demeaning to men then the answer is simple dont watch it, and the same goes for women,

But if you want to watch others going at it then do have a watch, it is very entertaining and thought provoking as well! :D

But if you want to watch others going at it then do have a watch, it is very entertaining and thought provoking as well! :D

it can be yes but some of it is just damn right stupid!

what with the 1960's hairstyles and camp music!

OOOOO! That's interesting to see the womens hair styles changing as I watch them frolicking.

Enlighten us

I honestly doubt I could contribute anything to this conversation that most people don't already know. OK, there are men in the porn industry earning much less than women. But they have a longer "shelf life" than women so in the long run they don't just have to go back to stacking shelves. Men also have it hard when it comes to erectile dysfunction, most men find it nigh on impossible to get the equipment in the required state in front of a camera. But then along came viagra and there you go, problem solved, on the hole. I mean whole. Men are nowhere near as mistreated within the industry, take Max Hardcore's films for example. Then there's the "well, they have a choice whether or not to do this line of work", but really, is that not a product of their situation? Men don't often find themselves without an equally well paid alternative. I'm not saying it's all bad, I'm a big fan myself, but I'm not kidding myself about any of it. In the same sense that I know drinking too much isn't good for me but I still do it anyway because I'm an aesthetic junkie.

Emmz:


And you do? Are you some sort of porn star? If so, please enlighten us.

Nope, more a dilettante.

In the same sense that I know drinking too much isn't good for me but I still do it anyway because I'm an aesthetic junkie.

Yes, drinking to excess is such a good look.

So what's your point, exactly?

Women in porn are treated as sex objects. Men in porn are treated as sex objects. So isn't it demeaning to both?

I had a bit part in a porno once. I snuck my foot in the backdoor.

I then applied for a better position.

I beat some stiff competition.

I did get told to " fuck off poustis malakas"
Whatever the fuck that means.

So what's your point, exactly?

Women in porn are treated as sex objects. Men in porn are treated as sex objects. So isn't it demeaning to both?

I don't think so. But if you do then that's your bag papa.

they know what they're going in for before they make the films, if they were not comfortable with it then they wouldn't do it, i dont think its deamening

John99 got a part as a porn again christian. So I hear.

they know what they're going in for before they make the films, if they were not comfortable with it then they wouldn't do it, i dont think its deamening

I disagree. They know what they're gong in for but they're usually just actresses wanting to find a way into the acting business, or vulnerable young women cajoled into doing harder and harder scenes by these very old, and very powerful men.

I think that when someone says it's demeaning to women, they mean that it skews the overall view of women for the men that watch it. It's obvious that the women involved are beyond being worried about their image.

I disagree. They know what they're gong in for but they're usually just actresses wanting to find a way into the acting business, or vulnerable young women cajoled into doing harder and harder scenes by these very old, and very powerful men.

yeah and they are the ones who make the sex industry look bad, yes i agree there have been cases where women are forced to do things they dont want to but they are the bad ones, the ones to stay well away from, you can't just turn up at an interview and then be in a film the next day, it can take weeks to sort it out, and the people who force you want to get it done fast, and if anyone is ever in a position that they see themselves being forced then they should walk away if they can!

It's tough gig for a man, all those long, hard hours.

I think that when someone says it's demeaning to women, they mean that it skews the overall view of women for the men that watch it. It's obvious that the women involved are beyond being worried about their image.

i think thats rubbish acutally, because porn starts espeically the ones who make thousands a film are really worred about they're images and they're looks!

yes i agree there have been cases where women are forced to do things they dont want to but they are the bad ones, the ones to stay well away from, you can't just turn up at an interview and then be in a film the next day, it can take weeks to sort it out, and the people who force you want to get it done fast, and if anyone is ever in a position that they see themselves being forced then they should walk away if they can!

Hearsay,...surely?

i think thats rubbish acutally, because porn starts espeically the ones who make thousands a film are really worred about they're images and they're looks!

By image, I meant being called a whore. Sorry, even the rich ones are whores.

yeah and they are the ones who make the sex industry look bad, yes i agree there have been cases where women are forced to do things they dont want to but they are the bad ones, the ones to stay well away from, you can't just turn up at an interview and then be in a film the next day, it can take weeks to sort it out, and the people who force you want to get it done fast, and if anyone is ever in a position that they see themselves being forced then they should walk away if they can!

Unfortunately, that's not always possible to walk away from a bad production. I think people who either need or want money are usually a slave to those delusions and will sometimes just take whatever they can just to get a foot in the door. Those fat, ugly moguls know that and exploit it. It just does not happen for men in the same way, at the same level.

Hearsay,...surely?

it can take weeks, first of all you, fill out a online form then they arrange to meet you, then they go of and talk about you, and get abck to you after a few weeks, with a yes or no!

Unfortunately, that's not always possible to walk away from a bad production. I think people who either need or want money are usually a slave to those delusions and will sometimes just take whatever they can just to get a foot in the door. Those fat, ugly moguls know that and exploit it. It just does not happen for men in the same way, at the same level.

yeah and those fat ugly greedy men and women are the ones to be aware of

it can take weeks, first of all you, fill out a online form then they arrange to meet you, then they go of and talk about you, and get abck to you after a few weeks, with a yes or no!

What?
No casting couch?
Disappointed.

take whatever they can just to get a foot in the door.

That's beautiful. How did I miss that one?

What?
No casting couch?
Disappointed.

and yes it is hearsay!

they don't make you give a blow job to the director before he films you know!

I'm the obvious rookie, here. These ladies seem to know the "ins and outs", so I'll be gone and let them exchange notes.

:worship:I'm the obvious rookie, here. These ladies seem to know the "ins and outs", so I'll be gone and let them exchange notes.

About time.

That's beautiful. How did I miss that one?

*bowses*

It shouldn't be but what little I've seen ( I'm all for erotica but they're so fucking trashy) is demeaning to women.

I think there's a big opportunity (I just left three expectant puns alone for that adjective) for women to create their own well crafted erotic movies.

Yeah, It's demeaning, but then again, it's their choice. I mean, Its not like you're gonna recognize your friends in a film right ? Not unless you knew already..

Its not what it's cracked up to be. And not only women are taken advantage of there are clever females taking advantage of innocent men too. Best thing to do is know what your getting into and it is not so easy to walk away from. For me i didnt mind having women take care of me, thing is things get crazy and women are very vindictiuve. They think because they support you that they own you. Its sick.

Yeah, It's demeaning, but then again, it's their choice. I mean, Its not like you're gonna recognize your friends in a film right ? Not unless you knew already..

if you think porn is demeaning then notice a friend in a film, what the hell are you doing watching it?

What was your screen name Johnny? Schlong tall Johnny?

Its not what it's cracked up to be. And not only women are taken advantage of there are clever females taking advantage of innocent men too. Best thing to do is know what your getting into and it is not so easy to walk away from. For me i didnt mind having women take care of me, thing is things get crazy and women are very vindictiuve. They think because they support you that they own you. Its sick.

yeah there are very clever females out there who work in the industry and there are also some real stupid women who work in the industry!

in what way did women look after you?

John99 got a part as a porn again christian. So I hear.

My god, he wasn't kidding......John,I never !.....

What was your screen name Johnny? Schlong tall Johnny?

LMAO!!

I agree with emmz on this one. I am a man, I have watched a lot of porn along with most men and think women do get a raw deal. Quite a few interviewed long standing female actresses admit it's true and they would know. Sure they made their money from it, doesn't mean they didn't think it had it's more ugly side. The humiliation of women in the industry seems to be increasing too. The amount of spitting or pissing in actresses faces, BJ forcin' even when gagging or throwing up etc etc are prime examples that and are not uncommon. I don't mean the niche stuff like the sad excuse for a human being Max Hardcore stuff either, I mean mainstream.

A lot of actresses wont speak out whilst working (either up and coming or for big label) for fear of losing work. They have a short shelf-life though, women are just meat in the industry and everyone wants fresh meat. Most actresses admit to this and say they did do it by choice but felt cheated in some ways, not just lower pay but treated like dirt. They just got on with it as wanted the money. Some may say they enjoyed the work but a lot don't seem to give that impression.

if you think porn is demeaning then notice a friend in a film, what the hell are you doing watching it?

I meant it's demeaning to the individual, not to men as a general whole, we men don't really care about what being in porn makes you look like..
Women do.

My god, he wasn't kidding......John,I never !.....

Long John the Baptist.

I meant it's demeaning to the individual, not to men as a general whole, we men don't really care about what being in porn makes you look like..
Women do.

yes they do!

also it all depends on the sort of sexual encounters theya re having, if for example, a man is shagging a woman from behind and putting her head down the toilet then yes that is demeaning.

(sorry about the crudeness but i didnt know how else to explain myself)

I meant it's demeaning to the individual, not to men as a general whole, we men don't really care about what being in porn makes you look like..
Women do.

I'd have to disagree with that one too. Of course they do.

So, if demeaning women on camera is a current fad, why are more and more women watching porn? (Sorce;some study from some guy, somewhere)

yeah there are very clever females out there who work in the industry and there are also some real stupid women who work in the industry!

in what way did women look after you?

Well i would never get involved with an industry because i am no hooker. I just go caught up in a certain lifestyle that years later hurt me because i didnt have to work or go to school and basically i could not understand that these women just wanted me for one thing, but nothing is free. the price you pay. So basically i am starting from scratch now and i am 30 years old, still people hold grudges and they think they jknow everything about you. Luckily it was years ago but my scars are still healing.

Accessibility. The way the media can distribute it. Not so long ago the only way to get porn was to go to a sex shop. Now I don't know if you've ever been into a sex shop but I'm no shrinking violet and even those places can make me feel vulnerable.

So, if demeaning women on camera is a current fad, why are more and more women watching porn? (Sorce;some study from some guy, somewhere)

Yeah sounds trustworthy coming from a guy, guess he knows better than all the actresses who say they needed counselling after working in the industry or have esteem issues and the like.

Even if it's true pure logic dictates just because more women watch it doesn't mean it's any less degrading. If more Jews in WW2 concentration camps became Kapos would that mean that the Nazi Totenkopf guards were treating the prisoners more humanely?

Honestly, the bad thing for a man is that women get attached to you and i admit that i lied to them a lot so i guess that was the bad part. The go from loving you to hating you and they can be pretty scary when their pissed off.

Accessibility. The way the media can distribute it. Not so long ago the only way to get porn was to go to a sex shop. Now I don't know if you've ever been into a sex shop but I'm no shrinking violet and even those places can make me feel vulnerable.

i dont understand any people get so worked up, its just sex! nothing more nothing less!

Creep:

The amount of spitting or pissing in actresses faces, BJ forcin' even when gagging or throwing up etc etc are prime examples that and are not uncommon.


I've never seen stuff like that.

But I take it you've never seen femdom?

http://www.femdomexclusive.com/

i dont understand any people get so worked up, its just sex! nothing more nothing less!

The thing is that people change. The way you look at things now are not the way you will look at them later. Better safe than sorry.

Well i would never get involved with an industry because i am no hooker. I just go caught up in a certain lifestyle that years later hurt me because i didnt have to work or go to school and basically i could not understand that these women just wanted me for one thing, but nothing is free. the price you pay. So basically i am starting from scratch now and i am 30 years old, still people hold grudges and they think they jknow everything about you. Luckily it was years ago but my scars are still healing.

Sincerely, I hope you're ok. Please don't think I'm disregarding men's experiences. I'm not, not at all.

Honestly, the bad thing for a man is that women get attached to you and i admit that i lied to them a lot so i guess that was the bad part. The go from loving you to hating you and they can be pretty scary when their pissed off.

So can men, thats not about women that's about people. I can be pretty scary when someone lies to me. I have gone from loving someone to hate before now. It's not an uncommon human reaction, it's certainly not exclusive one to females.

i dont understand any people get so worked up, its just sex! nothing more nothing less!

Because sex is power baby, sex is power ;)

My Ex tried to kill me! :eek:

I'd have to disagree with that one too. Of course they do.

Which male is going to say, I'm not aroused by this porn film because it demeans men ?


yes they do!

also it all depends on the sort of sexual encounters theya re having, if for example, a man is shagging a woman from behind and putting her head down the toilet then yes that is demeaning.

(sorry about the crudeness but i didnt know how else to explain myself)

As long as there is some sort of sexual activity, most men watching the porn won't really care. Some might find it less appealing than others, but most will probably keep watching,If it were a man being put down.

Because sex is power baby, sex is power ;)

i never see the point in using sex has a way to get what you want!

seriously there are better ways to get what you want!

(for example for once i didn't talk to my husband for 4 weeks, then after that he gave up and gave me what i wanted)

Sincerely, I hope you're ok. Please don't think I'm disregarding men's experiences. I'm not, not at all.

Yeah I don't like the screw men feminist attitude. My partner used to be a bit hardline before I met her, she is very balanced now. Basically I have problems with unfair treatment. Women in porn do have unfair treatment on basis of their gender. However some men do get worked over by some pretty manipulative women. My point is I feel for the victims in each scenario but manipulative people come in both sexes (unfortunately I have met both).

i never see the point in using sex has a way to get what you want!

seriously there are better ways to get what you want!

(for example for once i didn't talk to my husband for 4 weeks, then after that he gave up and gave me what i wanted)

I'd have just screwed his brains out and got what I wanted that very same day. :shrug:

I'd have just screwed his brains out and got what I wanted that very same day. :shrug:

he was going to suffer, because i stopped cooking for him, talking to him, washing his clothes, everything!

Sincerely, I hope you're ok. Please don't think I'm disregarding men's experiences. I'm not, not at all.

I am not really ok. The main thing is i have no skills to support myself. So i am going to school soon but i wasted 10 years and i dont think things are going to work out for me.

I am not really ok. The main thing is i have no skills to support myself. So i am going to school soon but i wasted 10 years and i dont think things are going to work out for me.

can i ask, what did you do? were you a prostitute? how were you involved in the sex industry?

oh no. i would never be involved with any sex industry. so thats what this is about?

Which male is going to say, I'm not aroused by this porn film because it demeans men ?



As long as there is some sort of sexual activity, most men watching the porn won't really care. Some might find it less appealing than others, but most will probably keep watching,If it were a man being put down.

I would have agreed in the past but that just shows you are not of the same attitude as most others (a good thing). Time and time again I have seen on forums related to porn (with predominant male users) a person get flamed something wicked for posting stuff demeaning to men. Women that's ok but they just can't handle the men being mistreated or any voice of descent speaking against the macho mistreatment of women in porn. Users who bring this up usually have the mods come down on them like a ton of bricks for very little if any cause. It seems they have some sexist traits without realising it. This seemed common attitude and response, I am glad I don't feel threatened like them and glad to see some people here don't seem to think that way. The fact that there are so many here discussing it rather than spouting hate and exhibiting classic denial is a good thing to see.

Which male is going to say, I'm not aroused by this porn film because it demeans men ? As long as there is some sort of sexual activity, most men watching the porn won't really care. Some might find it less appealing than others, but most will probably keep watching,If it were a man being put down.

You reiterate my point finely on the subject of women having it tougher, most porn doesn't involve men being treated so disgustingly it borders on rape. But given the same set of circumstances I'm sure men wouldn't watch it.

I originally disagreed because I thought you were saying men don't care about what other men, or themselves look like on camera. Or are affected by that.

This seemed common attitude and response, I am glad I don't feel threatened like them and glad to see some people here don't seem to think that way. The fact that there are so many here discussing it rather than spouting hate and exhibiting classic denial is a good thing to see..


I would avoid the politics and religion sections, then.

oh no. i would never be involved with any sex industry. so thats what this is about?

Haha, Funny, funny.

I would have agreed in the past but that just shows you are not of the same attitude as most others (a good thing). Time and time again I have seen on forums related to porn (with predominant male users) a person get flamed something wicked for posting stuff demeaning to men. Women that's ok but they just can't handle the men being mistreated or any voice of descent speaking against the macho mistreatment of women in porn. Users who bring this up usually have the mods come down on them like a ton of bricks for very little if any cause. It seems they have some sexist traits without realising it. This seemed common attitude and response, I am glad I don't feel threatened like them and glad to see some people here don't seem to think that way. The fact that there are so many here discussing it rather than spouting hate and exhibiting classic denial is a good thing to see.

It's early days yet Creept'. Wait till the big boys come home from work, you're only dealing with the "bored housewifes", students and unemployed at the moment. When the men get home from work and see what's been going on there'll be hell to pay.

You reiterate my point finely on the subject of women having it tougher, most porn doesn't involve men being treated so disgustingly it borders on rape. But given the same set of circumstances I'm sure men wouldn't watch it.

I originally disagreed because I thought you were saying men don't care about what other men, or themselves look like on camera. Or are affected by that.

Oh, everyone cares about how they look, we are all vain. While I agree that a lot wouldn't watch it, theres an equal amount that would.

On a side note, since women don't have the same obsession with porn as men, I'd doubt a lot of women would find female dominance over man appealing.. Or am i just being naive here ?.

I would avoid the politics and religion sections, then.

Point noted, haven't visited there but have no intention. I am new here but tend to stay clear of politics and religion. I am quite content with my own religious and political views and don't want to force them on anyone else nor others to insist why I am wrong and their view is better because they say. My views work for me and theirs for them. Like different medicine for different people. Hence I avoid politics and religion sections.

It's early days yet Creept'. Wait till the big boys come home from work, you're only dealing with the "bored housewifes", students and unemployed at the moment. When the men get home from work and see what's been going on there'll be hell to pay.

pffft, No one at sciforums has a job.

Come one. Men are more visually oriented. In contrast i know women who do things medically, like treat wounds and stuff like that that i could never do because i cant stand to look at stuff like that. They dont seem to view bodily functions the same wasy. It is asdmirable but thats not for me.

Come one. Men are more visually oriented. In contrast i know women who do things medically, like treat wounds and stuff like that that i could never do because i cant stand to look at stuff like that. They dont seem to view bodily functions the same wasy. It is asdmirable but thats not for me.

What ?, Huh. I don't have a problem with blood or guts. I find that stuff fascinating. Most of my friends don't. Men are more tactile, they do things by feel and visual. Auditory is not our strong suit.

Oh, everyone cares about how they look, we are all vain. While I agree that a lot wouldn't watch it, theres an equal amount that would.

On a side note, since women don't have the same obsession with porn as men, I'd doubt a lot of women would find female dominance over man appealing.. Or am i just being naive here ?.

I'm not sure how the two go together. If you're into porn, you're into a specific kind of porn. If you're not then you're not. Female domination seems to be kinda cutsie, like lesbian sex and masturbation. That may just be my masochistic tendencies swaying my judgement though.

Come one. Men are more visually oriented. In contrast i know women who do things medically, like treat wounds and stuff like that that i could never do because i cant stand to look at stuff like that. They dont seem to view bodily functions the same wasy. It is asdmirable but thats not for me.

As I've said before...

Although I don't tend to fully agree, I've seen other research which argues women are sexually aroused by a much wider range of stimuli. For example, women and men are show a series of images, some sexual, some not, some of sexual acts from other species and the findings where that women were the ones who responded physically to most images of a sexual nature, and men only by the conventional sexual depictions usually found in pornographic images of humans.

“
As in many areas of sexuality, research on women's sexual arousal patterns has lagged far behind men's, but the scant research on the subject does hint that, compared with men, women's sexual arousal patterns may be less tightly connected to their sexual orientation.
”
Source: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0613075252.htm

So although men have the reputation for being pervs it's actually us women who are the weird and twisted ones

grrr.....people....it's just sex, porn is used has a way to get instant gratification, and many women and men alike watch porn, there is nothing wrong with it, in fact it can be used to liven up a non sexual relationship,

sex shops are no longer the seedy places they once were, in fact there is a sex shop in most towns now, and rightfully so, if you want to go out and buy a Cat 'o' nine tails, or handcuffs then so be it, you should be allowed to, but they should never be used without the second (or third or forth) person consent!



if that floats your boat then why shouldn't you use things like that?

also anouther point, if it was demeaning to women then why oh why are they making and selling more sex toys aimed at women?

grrr.....people....it's just sex, porn is used has a way to get instant gratification, and many women and men alike watch porn, there is nothing wrong with it, in fact it can be used to liven up a non sexual relationship,

sex shops are no longer the seedy places they once were, in fact there is a sex shop in most towns now, and rightfully so, if you want to go out and buy a Cat 'o' nine tails, or handcuffs then so be it, you should be allowed to, but they should never be used without the second (or third or forth) person consent!



if that floats your boat then why shouldn't you use things like that?

also anouther point, if it was demeaning to women then why oh why are they making and selling more sex toys aimed at women?


Is that what you tell your children? I'm not judging,just wondering.

Is that what you tell your children? I'm not judging,just wondering.

if my kids ask about anything they get told the truth, nothing more nothing less,

my kids are still at a young age and know about porn and my oldest boy who is 16 does watch it, (he's a 16yr old boy)

The truth is the only way to gain trust and respect from kids. Lie to them and they will either know it or find out about the lie which makes the parents really look like assholes to their own kids.:)

(he's a 16yr old boy)


I'm not sure what that means.

Do you worry about him developing wrong opinions about how women should be looked at?
Do you worry about him looking at women and visualizing sex acts? Is it OK to visualize sex with anyone/everyone?

Do you consider porn to be addictive?

I'm not sure what that means.

Do you worry about him developing wrong opinions about how women should be looked at?
Do you worry about him looking at women and visualizing sex acts? Is it OK to visualize sex with anyone/everyone?

Do you consider porn to be addictive?

nope!!

what i mean about the "he's a 16yr old boy remark" what 16yr old doesnt get curious about sex, and porn??

It is not demeaning. You don't hear men whining about how it cheapens them as human beings, so why do women do it???!!!!

It is very demandig. Taking in all size of dicks in all holes, that is a hard job!

Oh you meant demeaning. Nevermind....

It is very demandig. Taking in all size of dicks in all holes, that is a hard job!

Oh you meant demeaning. Nevermind....

You should know!;):D

I don't know. I watch it, but I sure as hell wouldn't want my daughter taking it up as a carer choice. When it comes to porn, I'm a huge hypocrite.

I take huge shits in public toilets, but I wouldn't want my offspring cleaning them. Guess I'm a hypocrite...

yep, a huge stinking pile of hypocrisy!! :p
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