Notice: I am abiding by the new rules about cut and paste, in my post below, I am refering only to the links:

NOW, My question to all HOPELESS atheists and anti-muslim hate-filled bigots is this:

If Islam is that bad, whay is it that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, why are so many people converting to Islam?
surely, they cant be all wrong and you are right.

read the FACTS that will silence you all:
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A NATION CHALLENGED: AMERICAN MUSLIMS; Islam Attracts Converts By the Thousands, Drawn Before and After Attacks
By JODI WILGOREN
Source: The New York Times : October 22, 2001, Monday .

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/22/national/22CONV.html

From “Islam & America” to “Islam in America:

http://www.pakistanlink.com/community/2002/Feb/08/07.html

Islam increases at 17,809 per day, 742 per hour, 12 per minute (three times as fast as Great Commission Christians and only slightly slower than all Christianity as a whole: ( christain resources)

http://www.usprayercenter.org/missionary.html

Understanding The Truth About America's Fastest Growing Religion:

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Orchard/1256/is.html

And even the JEWS are converting to Islam:

http://www.jewstoislam.com

A matter of faith: Islam is fastest-growing religion in U.S:

http://classic.sacbee.com/news/news/old/local01_20010701.html

Islam is currently the fasting growing religion in America whose adherents hail from every race and ethnicity.:

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/islam_in_the_us/33392

Why are Westerners converting?

http://cbn.org/SpiritualLife/understandingislam/Why_are_Westerners_converting.asp?option=print

Even CHRISTIAN messionaries are converting to ISLAM:

http://www.geocities.com/ultimatetruth1/convetlists.htm

How Islam liberated Africa ?

http://www.culturalorientation.net/bantu/sbrelig.html

Islam is spreaidng in Latin America:

http://www.latinmuslims.com/history.html

http://wais.stanford.edu/latinamer_0muslimsinmexandla7102.html

THE NEW YORK TIMES Ranks Of Latinos Turning To Islam Are Increasing
By DANIEL J. WAKIN

http://www.puertorico-herald.org/issues/2002/vol6n03/RanksIslam-en.shtml

"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in America, a guide and pillar of stability for many of our people..." Hillary Rodman Clinton, Los Angeles Times, May 31, 1996, p.3

"Already more than a billion-people strong, Islam is the world's fastest-growing religion." ABCNEWS, Abcnews.com

"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the country." NEWSDAY, March7,1989, p.4

"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the United States..." NEW YORK TIMES, Feb 21, 1989, p.1

"Moslems are the world's fastest-growing group..." USA TODAY, The population referance bureau, Feb. 17, 1989, p.4A

"Muhummed is the most successful of all Prophets and religious personalities." Encyclopedia Britannica

"There are more Muslims in North America then Jews Now." Dan Rathers, CBSNEWS

"Islam is the fastest growing religion in North America." TIMES MAGAZINE

"Islam continues to grow in America, and no one can doubt that!" CNN, December 15, 1995

"The religion of Islam is growing faster than any other religion in the world." MIKE WALLACE, 60 MINUTES

"Five to 6 million strong, Muslims in America already outnumber Presbyterians, Episcopalians, and Mormons, and they are more numerous than Quakers, Unitarians, Seventh-day Adventists, Mennonites, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Christian Scientists, combined. Many demographers say Islam has overtaken Judaism as the country's second-most commonly practiced religion; others say it is in the passing lane." JOHAN BLANK, USNEWS (7/20/98)

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/980720/20isla.htm

"In fact, religion experts say Islam is the second-largest religion in the United States... Islam has 5 million to 6 million members, followed by Judaism, with approximately 4.5 million..... And Islam is believed to be fastest-growing religion in the country, with half its expansion coming from new immigrants and the other half from conversions." By ELSA C. ARNETT, Knight-Ridder News Service

"It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur'aan about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from Allah, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of Allah."
Professor Keith Moore, one of the world's prominent scientists of anatomy and embryology. University of Toronto, Canada.

"But Islam has a still further service to render to the cause of humanity. It stands after all nearer to the real East than Europe does, and it possesses a magnificent tradition of inter-racial understanding and cooperation. No other society has such a record of success uniting in an equality of status, of opportunity, and of endeavours so many and so various races of mankind . . Islam has still the power to reconcile apparently irreconcilable elements of race and tradition. If ever the opposition of the great societies of East and West is to be replaced by cooperation, the mediation of Islam is an indispensable condition. In its hands lies very largely the solution of the problem with which Europe is faced in its relation with East. If they unite, the hope of a peaceful issue is immeasurably enhanced. But if Europe, by rejecting the cooperation of Islam, throws it into the arms of its rivals, the issue can only be disastrous for both." H.A.R. Gibb, WHITHER ISLAM, London, 1932, p. 379.

"It (Islam) replaced monkishness by manliness. It gives hope to the slave, brotherhood to mankind, and recognition of the fundamental facts of human nature."
Canon Taylor, Paper read before the Church Congress at Walverhamton, Oct. 7, 1887;
Quoted by Arnoud in THE PREACHING OF ISLAM, pp. 71-72.


"The founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammed. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he? "

"How, for instance, can any other appeal stand against that of the Muslim who, in approaching the pagan, says to him, however obscure or degraded he may be 'Embrace the faith, and you are at once equal and a brother.' Islam knows no color line." (S. S. Leeder, VEILED MYSTERIES OF EGYPT)

"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and B]secular level." Michael H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY, [/B]
New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc., 1978, p. 33.

"Everything made so much sense. This is the beauty of the Qur'an; it asks you to reflect and reason....When I read the Qur'an further, it talked about prayer, kindness and charity. I was not a Muslim yet, but I felt the only answer for me was the Qur'an and God had sent it to me." Cat Stevens (YusufIslam), former British pop star.

"History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated." De Lacy O'Leary, ISLAM AT THE CROSSROADS, London, 1923, p. 8.

"I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion for from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today." George Bernard Shaw, THE GENUINE ISLAM, Vol. 1, No. 81936.

"I am not a Muslim in the usual sense, though I hope I am a "Muslim" as "one surrendered to God," but I believe that embedded in the Quran and other expressions of the Islamic vision are vast stores of divine truth from which I and other occidentals have still much to learn, and 'Islam is certainly a strong contender for the supplying of the basic framework of the one religion of the future.'" W. Montgomery Watt, ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY TODAY, London, 1983, p. ix.


"He was Caesar and Pope in one; but he was Pope without Pope's pretensions, Caesar without the legions of Caesar: without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace, without a fixed revenue; if ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by the right divine, it was Mohammed, for he had all the power without its instruments and without its supports." Bosworth Smith, MOHAMMAD AND MOHAMMADANISM, London, 1874, p. 92.

"The doctrine of brotherhood of Islam extends to all human beings, no matter what color, race or creed. Islam is the only religion which has been able to realize this doctrine in ractice. Muslims wherever on the world they are will recognize each other as brothers." Mr. R. L. Mellema, Holland, Anthropologist, Writer and Scholar.

Islam is the fastest growing religion the world, discover why?

http://www.whyislam.org/discoverwhy.htm

http://www.alhewar.com/nyt_islam_attracts.htm

Islam spread by the sowrd: the myth and the reality:

http://www.unn.ac.uk/societies/islamic/convert/sword1.htm

greenworld

a warning for you

3 people have been banned today

if you keep along the same lines you will be no 4

To refute the lies that Islam spread by force, here I am presenting two examples which show that those who say Islam spread by force are just so pathetics:

First:

Did anyone of you heard about the MOGHULS?? those pagan tribes who invaded the MUSLIM world in the 12th century and destroyed Baghdad( the then the capital of the MUSLIM empire) ?

well, those pagan tribles were SO SUPERIOR in their military that they destroyed Baghdad and they were marching until they reached Eygpt, now if these pagan IMMENSELY SUPERIOR IN THEIR POWER wished, they could have forced the MUSLIMS to change their religion or kill them for example....what happened however is UNIQUE in all history:

For the First time in HISTORY, an invading SUPERIOR force convert and adopt the religion of the invaded weaker nation....this UNIQUE conversion proves that islam did not spread by sword, you can go back to your history departments or history speicalists and ask them about this UNIQUE conversion.

Those MOGHULS took islam back to MINOR ASIA and that's why we have today what we know as the former soviet Islamic republics.

Second: it is well known fact that the muslim army NEVER reached Indonesia, and yet Indonesia is now the LARGEST muslim country in the world with MUSLIM WOMAN as its president....Islam spread there by few Muslim merchants and traders.

Islam is great religion for the one who is sincerely want to understand it.

quote from green_world

"If Islam was bad, why are ALL these people converting ?"


The actions of people are not really a reflection on if something is good or bad. People make awful decisions. History is also full of examples were people 'converted' to a clearly evil culture, such as fascism for instance.

I do not know of course why these people converted to islam.
We would have to examine the reason why each individual converted, but still it wouldn't make it any clearer is islam is bad or good.

Many people convert from being religious to atheism too. This doesn't proof either that atheism is good.

Hence the assumption made in this thread is in my opinion false.

Originally posted by Green_World

Second: it is well known fact that the muslim army NEVER reached Indonesia, and yet Indonesia is now the LARGEST muslim country in the world with MUSLIM WOMAN as its president....Islam spread there by few Muslim merchants and traders.


To refute this statement. Indonesia is not a muslim country. Indonesia is a multicultural country, but has a large percentage of muslims.

Originally posted by spuriousmonkey
quote from green_world

"If Islam was bad, why are ALL these people converting ?"


The actions of people are not really a reflection on if something is good or bad. People make awful decisions. History is also full of examples were people 'converted' to a clearly evil culture, such as fascism for instance.

I do not know of course why these people converted to islam.
We would have to examine the reason why each individual converted, but still it wouldn't make it any clearer is islam is bad or good.

Many people convert from being religious to atheism too. This doesn't proof either that atheism is good.

Hence the assumption made in this thread is in my opinion false.
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I know in front of all these STUNNING links and POWERFUL stories and AMAZING quotes from FAMOUS people through history about Islam, you can't say any thing but just some rants.

Did you check every single link I posted ? some of these links are from MAJOR western media organisations such as the NEW YORK TIMES AND THE WASHINGTON POST !!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by spuriousmonkey
To refute this statement. Indonesia is not a muslim country. Indonesia is a multicultural country, but has a large percentage of muslims.

If you can't distinguish that Indonesia is MUSLIM country, then you are really sad:

88% are muslims.

The CIA factbook:

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/id.html

Originally posted by Green_World
If you can't distinguish that Indonesia is MUSLIM country, then you are really sad:

88% are muslims.

The CIA factbook:

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/id.html

green...i explained you why i think indonesia is not a muslim country. Don't blame me for pointing out something everyone knows. Its laws are also not strictly based on the koran.

Originally posted by Green_World
[B]Notice: I am abiding by the new rules about cut and paste, in my post below, I am refering only to the links:

NOW, My question to all HOPELESS atheists and anti-muslim hate-filled bigots is this:

If Islam is that bad, whay is it that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, why are so many people converting to Islam?
surely, they cant be all wrong and you are right.

read the FACTS that will silence you all:

People converting to Islam? ….Sure thing, why not.?
There are also many Muslims converting to Christianity too.
People shifting from one religion to another is a human phenomena comparable to changing life insurance, etc.

Many Muslims convert to Christianity and I don’t even think remotely that it is because Muslim religion its worse, ..or do you?

Check;

The French Catholic Church is expecting around 9,500
people to be baptized as Catholics in the country this year, with almost 1,000 of those to be converts from Islam.

Around 2,500 people, mostly between 18 and 40 years old, are due to be baptized this year, and the remaining 7,000 are following a two-year initiation progra...
http://leb.net/pipermail/lexington-net/2000-April/001953.html

Libyan Students On Trial For Converting To Christianity
http://www.mcjonline.com/news/02a/20020826c.shtml

"In America, Muslims are converting to Christianity"
Parishes and churches all over America are reporting attendance by Muslims who are curious about the dominant American religion. At least half of those curious attendees have become members and have converted.
http://www.cafearabica.com/wwwboard/intlpolitics/messages/2866.html

Without making this unnecessary too long, What’s you point Green_World?
:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Asguard
greenworld

a warning for you

3 people have been banned today

if you keep along the same lines you will be no 4
Please don’t ban this guy, he is just beginning to come around.
Have you lost faith in the healing powers of sciforum??
:D

Originally posted by Blackstone
um, the mongol tribe who strayed from the army and turned against it was the one who converted to islam and join the islamic forces, the rest got defeated near egypt, not converted there.

And you are FORGING history as well ?? small tribe who strayed from the army and turned against it ???????????? are you OK ?

OK, I will go with your twisted version of historical FACTS and tell you the following, You failed to explain why :

A- this tribe strayed away and
B- why it turned against the rest and
C- why on earth they converted to Islam??????????????????

P.S: it is not only this ALLEGED mongol tribe who converted to Islam, but I will go with your PURPOSLEY twisted historical facts till I get you to small corner where you cant escape your ignorance anymore.

Originally posted by Microzoft
People converting to Islam? ….Sure thing, why not.?
There are also many Muslims converting to Christianity too.
People shifting from one religion to another is a human phenomena comparable to changing life insurance, etc.

Many Muslims convert to Christianity and I don’t even think remotely that it is because Muslim religion its worse, ..or do you?

Check;

The French Catholic Church is expecting around 9,500
people to be baptized as Catholics in the country this year, with almost 1,000 of those to be converts from Islam.

Around 2,500 people, mostly between 18 and 40 years old, are due to be baptized this year, and the remaining 7,000 are following a two-year initiation progra...
http://leb.net/pipermail/lexington-net/2000-April/001953.html

Libyan Students On Trial For Converting To Christianity
http://www.mcjonline.com/news/02a/20020826c.shtml

"In America, Muslims are converting to Christianity"
Parishes and churches all over America are reporting attendance by Muslims who are curious about the dominant American religion. At least half of those curious attendees have become members and have converted.
http://www.cafearabica.com/wwwboard/intlpolitics/messages/2866.html

Without making this unnecessary too long, What’s you point Green_World?
:rolleyes:

Well, I provided more than 10 links, you provided links from anti-musli sites, I provided some links from WESTERN sources.

Now, you talked about 1000 muslims 'EXPECTED' to convert in France, I am talking about THOUSANDS of non-muslims CONVERTED ALREADY to Islam.

I have no doubts that some misguided muslims like blackstone have left Islam for many reasons, but the numbers who are joining Islam is FAR more than the ones who are leaving, the AMAZING links I provided in my original thread speaks by themselves.

My point is, that it is IMPOSSIBLE all these people who are choosing Islam are WRONG and some few HOPELESS atheists are right.

Islam is even spreading in Latin America; THE CATHOLIC STRONGHOLD OF THE LATIN CONTINENT.

Originally posted by Green_World
Well, I provided more than 10 links, you provided links from anti-musli sites, I provided some links from WESTERN sources.

Now, you talked about 1000 muslims 'EXPECTED' to convert in France, I am talking about THOUSANDS of non-muslims CONVERTED ALREADY to Islam.

I have no doubts that some misguided muslims like blackstone have left Islam for many reasons, but the numbers who are joining Islam is FAR more than the ones who are leaving, the AMAZING links I provided in my original thread speaks by themselves.

My point is, that it is IMPOSSIBLE all these people who are choosing Islam are WRONG and some few HOPELESS atheists are right.

Islam is even spreading in Latin America; THE CATHOLIC STRONGHOLD OF THE LATIN CONTINENT.
I could have provided several dozens of sources on Muslims converted to Christianity, but we are not in a game of numbers are we? And certainly in filling up this thread excessively you to make a point.

If you are asking for mountains of proof, I can overload your email of documentation of Muslims converting to Christianity, and the ever increasing Muslim homosexual trend.

If the converted Muslims are “Misguided Muslims like blackstones”, that’s your opinion, but notice that none one here is referring to any Christian converting to other religion anything. Converting religion is a personal issue in which all you can do is second-guessing for your own radical stimulation.
;)

Originally posted by Blackstone
Im not misguided, keep your fucking opinion to yourself cause i dont give a damn about what you think of me, Im not some brainless creature to be guided and misguided...i follow my own mind and rational thinking.

using your logic, its impossible too for the 6 million who leave islam to christianity every year to be wrong...

Where is your SOILD EVIDENCE???? please provide me with FAIR UNBIASED link which says that 6 million muslims are converting to christianity every year??????????????????

You are just little bit confused, it is the christians who are converting to Islam and even the JEWS:

http://www.jewstoislam.com

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Microzoft
[B]I could have provided several dozens of sources on Muslims converted to Christianity, but we are not in a game of numbers are we? And certainly in filling up this thread excessively you to make a point.

If you are asking for mountains of proof, I can overload your email of documentation of Muslims converting to Christianity, and the ever increasing Muslim homosexual trend.
============================

Of course from anti-muslim sites with so much lies......huh?? CAN YOU PROVIDE LINKS FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES OR THE WASHINGTON POST FOR EXAMPLE........I DID PROVIDE LINKS FROM THESE 2 INTERNATIONAL WELL KNOW PAPERS...

CAN YOU DO THE SAME? CAN YOU PROVIDE LINKS FROM INTERNATIONAL SOURCES?????????????

WAITING..........


:o

i hate to bring the bad news to you Green_world, but a site on the WWW is not a reliable authority on anything.

maybe you should refrain from using them and just write down your own logic, instead of reproducing other peoples thoughts. That might shorten your posts considerably too.

and you are still not really realizing that it means nothing if a person converts.
I think we established that it happens every day and in every direction.

Now...what's your point?

Originally posted by Green_World
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Microzoft
[B]I could have provided several dozens of sources on Muslims converted to Christianity, but we are not in a game of numbers are we? And certainly in filling up this thread excessively you to make a point.

If you are asking for mountains of proof, I can overload your email of documentation of Muslims converting to Christianity, and the ever increasing Muslim homosexual trend.
============================

Of course from anti-muslim sites with so much lies......huh?? CAN YOU PROVIDE LINKS FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES OR THE WASHINGTON POST FOR EXAMPLE........I DID PROVIDE LINKS FROM THESE 2 INTERNATIONAL WELL KNOW PAPERS...

CAN YOU DO THE SAME? CAN YOU PROVIDE LINKS FROM INTERNATIONAL SOURCES?????????????

WAITING..........


:o

Green;
You are blind and I rest my case!

NEW YORK TIMES
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50F11F63E5B0C728FDDAB0994DA4044 82

With Missionaries Spreading, Muslims' Anger Is Following
As evangelical Christian emissaries have spread throughout the Muslim world,
The murder of three American missionaries yesterday at the hospital where they worked in Yemen,


CNN
The Emerging Muslim Convert Church
in our area where the Muslim convert church numbers over 100,000 believers
http://enrichmentjournal.ag.org/enrichmentjournal/199801/018_emerging_muslim.cfm

:D

Originally posted by Microzoft
Green;
You are blind and I rest my case!

NEW YORK TIMES
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50F11F63E5B0C728FDDAB0994DA4044 82

With Missionaries Spreading, Muslims' Anger Is Following
As evangelical Christian emissaries have spread throughout the Muslim world,
The murder of three American missionaries yesterday at the hospital where they worked in Yemen,


CNN
The Emerging Muslim Convert Church
in our area where the Muslim convert church numbers over 100,000 believers
http://enrichmentjournal.ag.org/enrichmentjournal/199801/018_emerging_muslim.cfm

:D

YOU ARE REALLY PATHETIC, THE FIRST LINK DOES NOT TALK ABOUT ANY MUSLIM CONVERSION.

THE SECOND ONE IS NOT FROM THE CNN........ARE YOU SICK OR WHAT??? IT IS FROM ENRICHMENTJOURNAL: CLEARLY CHRISTIAN SHITY MAGAZINE.........

ATHEISM SUCKS...............:p

Originally posted by Green_World
YOU ARE REALLY PATHETIC, THE FIRST LINK DOES NOT TALK ABOUT ANY MUSLIM CONVERSION.

THE SECOND ONE IS NOT FROM THE CNN........ARE YOU SICK OR WHAT??? IT IS FROM ENRICHMENTJOURNAL: CLEARLY CHRISTIAN SHITY MAGAZINE.........

ATHEISM SUCKS...............:p

still....you failed to point out why it is so important that muslims convert to christianity, christians to islam, etc etc.

Originally posted by spuriousmonkey
still....you failed to point out why it is so important that muslims convert to christianity, christians to islam, etc etc.

SO YOU ADMIT YOU ARE LAIR !!!!!!!!!!!

It is so importan that not only christians by HOPELESS athesits like youself understand or even embrace Islam because it liberates you from your sheer darkness.

http://www.harunyahya.com

in what way did i lie?

Originally posted by Green_World
SO YOU ADMIT YOU ARE LAIR !!!!!!!!!!!

It is so importan that not only christians by HOPELESS athesits like youself understand or even embrace Islam because it liberates you from your sheer darkness.

http://www.harunyahya.com

but it also happens vice versa, so some muslims seek liberation from the darkness of islam by becoming a christian, buddist, atheist, agnostic, etc.

it doesn't really tell you anything about the truth content of islam

Originally posted by spuriousmonkey
i hate to bring the bad news to you Green_world, but a site on the WWW is not a reliable authority on anything. On the other hand, I believe that the following site is worthy of respect:Estimates of the total number of Muslims range from 0.7 to 1.2 billion worldwide and 1.1 to 7 million in the U.S. 2 About 21% of all people on earth follow Islam. The religion is currently in a period of rapid growth.

Christianity is currently the largest religion in the world. It is followed by about 33% of all people -- a percentage that has remained stable for decades. If current trends continue, Islam will become the most popular world religion sometime in the mid-21st century.

- see ReligiousTolerance.org (http://www.religioustolerance.org/islam.htm)It's as absurd to demonize all, or even most, Muslims as psychotic terrorists as it is to portray all Christians as abortion clinic bombers.
Originally posted by spuriousmonkey
... you are still not really realizing that it means nothing if a person converts. This, however, is absolutely true. Religions rise and fall in popularity and as the result of geopolitical considerations. Surely, Green_World, you will acknowledge that there were periods in the past when the growth of Christianity far outpaced that of Islam. Would you have converted because of such statistics? Of course not. So please spare us the foolish arguments.

Think, don't rant.

Originally posted by spuriousmonkey
in what way did i lie?

By pointing to a link and claiming it is from the CNN while it is not.

ATHEISM SUCKS.

Originally posted by spuriousmonkey
but it also happens vice versa, so some muslims seek liberation from the darkness of islam by becoming a christian, buddist, atheist, agnostic, etc.

it doesn't really tell you anything about the truth content of islam

Our discussion is over my SCIENTIST friend.

Originally posted by Green_World
By pointing to a link and claiming it is from the CNN while it is not.

ATHEISM SUCKS.

i didn't provide a link

Originally posted by Green_World
Our discussion is over my SCIENTIST friend.

i didn't realize we had one. We established that people convert from one believe to another for all kinds of reasons. But no one pointed out yet in what way this would make one particular faith more true than another.

Originally posted by ConsequentAtheist
On the other hand, I believe that the following site is worthy of respect:It's as absurd to demonize all, or even most, Muslims as psychotic terrorists as it is to portray all Christians as abortion clinic bombers.
This, however, is absolutely true. Religions rise and fall in popularity and as the result of geopolitical considerations. Surely, Green_World, you will acknowledge that there were periods in the past when the growth of Christianity far outpaced that of Islam. Would you have converted because of such statistics? Of course not. So please spare us the foolish arguments.

Think, don't rant.

Yes you are right, there were times when the growth of christianity far outpaced Islam, but did you bother to ask yourself when that happen ??? ok, I will refresh your memory:

when the crusadors invaded the MUSLIM world and salughtered thousands of innocent muslims.

When the christians established the INQUESTION COURTS IN MUSLIM SPAIN AND FORCED MUSLIMS AND JEWS TO CONVERT.

when the christians went to the NEW WORLD to kill 5 million indians and convert them by FORCE.

Since Islam was established, It was under continious attack from christianity in many forms......yes, you are right, christianty grew only when it was militarly SUPERIOR........Islam is growing now when it is the WEAKER.................BIG BIG DIFFERENCE.

Originally posted by spuriousmonkey
i didn't provide a link

sorry the message was for MICRO.

Originally posted by Green_World
sorry the message was for MICRO. The link was forwards by cnn page. But you have to avoid answering the other statements concerning you insults to Muslims that convert and the growing numbers of Muslim homosexuals, or about Muslim men treating their wives like dogs (in our standard), no just one Muslim but a great many.

Obviously, since you can not cover-up for the so many Islamic short comings, you are forced to ignore statements and questions. And you recluse yourself to simply turning the pc-off as if that will ever save you from the realities.
:rolleyes:

Green, the masses are often wrong.

Does Xtianity have a policy of burning people who convert to other religions with eternal hellfire? Does Xtianity breed suicide bombers who run into World trade center buildings? Do Xtians throw acid on a woman's face for putting on makeup? Do Xtians rape women and then stone her for adultery? Do atheists do any of those things? Do Buddhists? Do Hindus? Do ANY non Muslims? Do you read me? Are you stupid? Retarded? Deranged? All three? More?

Originally posted by Zero
Green, the masses are often wrong.



One quick question. Not related to this thread, but why did you Lie about women in Dubai? Any special intentions? Just wondering.

:confused: What women in Dubai??

Originally posted by Microzoft
The link was forwards by cnn page. But you have to avoid answering the other statements concerning you insults to Muslims that convert and the growing numbers of Muslim homosexuals, or about Muslim men treating their wives like dogs (in our standard), no just one Muslim but a great many.

Obviously, since you can not cover-up for the so many Islamic short comings, you are forced to ignore statements and questions. And you recluse yourself to simply turning the pc-off as if that will ever save you from the realities.
:rolleyes:

Mr. Micro****:

I have no time for your grabage, I have so many E-mails every day from people who are genuinley interested in Islam.

Sorry but I have no time to waste with hopeless ****.

Moderator edit: Personal insults add nothing useful to the discussion.

Originally posted by Zero
Green, the masses are often wrong.

Does Xtianity have a policy of burning people who convert to other religions with eternal hellfire? Does Xtianity breed suicide bombers who run into World trade center buildings? Do Xtians throw acid on a woman's face for putting on makeup? Do Xtians rape women and then stone her for adultery? Do atheists do any of those things? Do Buddhists? Do Hindus? Do ANY non Muslims? Do you read me? Are you stupid? Retarded? Deranged? All three? More?

It seems you are really ignorant about the ILLUMINATED history of christianity, go and read about the crusadors, go and read about the 5 million indians killed by christian invadors in the new world.

Are you f¤¤¤¤ blind?? the western media is always defaming islam, the hindus BURN the dead man' wife alive after her husband die....the christians treat their women like SHITE, GO TO MY PREVIOUS POSTS ABOUT THE HUMILIATION OF WOMEN IN THE BIBLE, and go to my thread SHOCKING FACTS ABOUT WOMEN'S ABUSE IN THE WEST.

Go and read about the BUDDISTS IN cambodia and Thailand who use small childern for prostitution...the BBC is good statrt.

HYPOCRITE.

green, you are so smart, maybe you can give me one quick sentence answering my questions...

Originally posted by spuriousmonkey
green, you are so smart, maybe you can give me one quick sentence answering my questions...

WHAT QUESTIONS ????????????????????????????????

Originally posted by Green_World
WHAT QUESTIONS ????????????????????????????????

this one


But no one pointed out yet in what way this would make one particular faith more true than another.


sorry if i am taking away your precious time

[QUOTE]Originally posted by spuriousmonkey
[B]


OK, this is the answer:

can you say that because more and more people are going to the gym( due to the benefits of excercise) that does not mean the gym is useful??????????

Most of the people try to go to university, are you saying that because all these people are going to the university, you cant tell whehter university is good or bad ???

If people are embracing Islam( which is now the weaker militarly and economically) does not that make Islam good ??

MILLIONS are embracing Islam every year, what the possibility that all these millions are wrong and some HOPELESS ATHEISTS( WHO DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ISLAM) are right?

Is it possible that all these millions who convert to ISLAM every year( including doctors, sceintists, journalists, economists..etc) are ALL wrong and you( who have little knoweldge or may be none about Islam) is right ???????????

to judge Islam, you have to read about Islam, you have to study Islam, you have to read the Quran and understand what it means
and then you can JUDGE. you cant judge from what you hear from HOSTILE UNFAIR BIASED media.....you are sceintist, you have brilliant brain to analys and compare.

I am giving you the chane to read and understand Islam and then you can judge.

and since you are in Helsinki, this is the website of the mosque I used to go to pary friday prayers when I used to visit Finland:

It is in Lönnrotinkatu if I rememebr well, you can check their site and e-mail them for furtuer information.

http://www.rabita.fi

and if you speak good finnish, this one is greart site:

http://www.islamopas.com

Have a very lovely weekend.

but we already established that people also convert from islam to other faiths and to atheism

that would indicate that this switch cannot be associated to the merit of the religion in question. Just personal choice.

Most of the people try to go to university, are you saying that because all these people are going to the university, you cant tell whehter university is good or bad ???

university is a complete waste of time.
So i would venture that the fact that people go somewhere has nothing to do with if it is good or not.
A huge amount of people go to bars and get pissdrunk here in finland. Is that also good then?

Originally posted by spuriousmonkey
but we already established that people also convert from islam to other faiths and to atheism

that would indicate that this switch cannot be associated to the merit of the religion in question. Just personal choice.



university is a complete waste of time.
So i would venture that the fact that people go somewhere has nothing to do with if it is good or not.
A huge amount of people go to bars and get pissdrunk here in finland. Is that also good then?

I agree with you in this point, but I would like to attract your attention to this 'personal choice' point you raised:

Since most of the converts are WESTERNERS and most of them are WOMEN, does that tell that anything about Islam ?

and you refered to muslims converting out of Islam, ok, while I admit that some mislead misguided people leave Islam, the rate is in no way comparable to the ones that embrace Islam every year.

Even in Finland Islam is growing so fast between the native finns, I have seen SO many FINNISH women who converted to Islam, nearly all my married muslim menfriends are married with finnish converts. Now, to tell me this is a personal choice is FAIR point but to tell me this PERSOANL CHOICE OF ISLAM does not make Islam good is totally out of question.

one of 2 personal choices Dont make anything good, but MILLIONS of the same personal choices SURELY make the chosen islam a very good thing indeed.

Originally posted by Green_World
I agree with you in this point, but I would like to attract your attention to this 'personal choice' point you raised:

Since most of the converts are WESTERNERS and most of them are WOMEN, does that tell that anything about Islam ?

and you refered to muslims converting out of Islam, ok, while I admit that some mislead misguided people leave Islam, the rate is in no way comparable to the ones that embrace Islam every year.

Even in Finland Islam is growing so fast between the native finns, I have seen SO many FINNISH women who converted to Islam, nearly all my married muslim menfriends are married with finnish converts. Now, to tell me this is a personal choice is FAIR point but to tell me this PERSOANL CHOICE OF ISLAM does not make Islam good is totally out of question. Green.

You come to easy conclusions at your imaginary illusion. Your blindness for religion covers also your own logic assumption in taking the numbers that best meet your radicalism mind as well as your ignorance. So what, you know personally 300 or so, Finnish women married to Muslims. What’s that in a country of Millions?
As for those Muslims converting to Christianity, how can you admit that they are mislead and misguided people. Do you know all of them?
If you are trying to sell your special Islam here, you may try a more moderated approach, don't you think so?
:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Microzoft
Green.

You come to easy conclusions at your imaginary illusion. Your blindness for religion covers also your own logic assumption in taking the numbers that best meet your radicalism mind as well as your ignorance. So what, you know personally 300 or so, Finnish women married to Muslims. What’s that in a country of Millions?
As for those Muslims converting to Christianity, how can you admit that they are mislead and misguided people. Do you know all of them?
If you are trying to sell your special Islam here, you may try a more moderated approach, don't you think so?
:rolleyes:

You are the last person on earth to speak about moderation, I have so many non-muslim friends all over the world who respect me and treat me as I treat them with RESPECT.

Since I came to the RELIGION section( which is by the way NOT your place since you are HOPELESS ATHEIST) you and bunch of atheist THUGS started attacking me PERSONALLY and my faith.

Dont give me this crap about insulting anyone who does not agree with my 'fanatic' belief because it is BULLSHITE and you know it.

I have been lecutring in many international reputable universties about Islam and Muslim civilization, I dont need ASSHOLES like you to waste my really precious time.

if you are really interested in Islam then BEHAVE yourself, know how to ask without offending and be polite, what I have seen from you so far is totally the opposite.

I am in my natural place: RELIGION section of sciforum, you are not, if you need rational answers, behave rationally, if you want serious discussion behave seriously, otherwise I have no time to waste with you.

P.S: I earn my living by promoting and lecturing about Islam all over the world, so this is my job.

salam(peace).

Originally posted by Green_World
P.S: I earn my living by promoting and lecturing about Islam all over the world, so this is my job.

salam(peace).
So, you give lecturers, no wonder that you are not used to answering questions! And you have developed skills to avoiding by insults, that figures!!

Remember that most people call you fanatic because you said so. Remember…
(If refuting your lies against islam is fanaticism, then I am VERY PROUD FANATIC)

Also.
Proud Muslim and strong believer in ALLAH ALMIGHTY.
Terminating all Anti-Islam forces wherever they are.

Remember?
:D Salamalecu!

Originally posted by Green_World

Even in Finland Islam is growing so fast between the native finns, I have seen SO many FINNISH women who converted to Islam, nearly all my married muslim menfriends are married with finnish converts. Now, to tell me this is a personal choice is FAIR point but to tell me this PERSOANL CHOICE OF ISLAM does not make Islam good is totally out of question.


i converted my finnish girlfriend to evil atheism. We are now planning to sterilize all muslim finnish women to stop the spreading by giving out M&Ms with the anticonception pill inside. So far to good.

our next plan is to steal muslim babies from the hospitals and give them to jehova witnesses or charity.

Originally posted by spuriousmonkey
i converted my finnish girlfriend to evil atheism. We are now planning to sterilize all muslim finnish women to stop the spreading by giving out M&Ms with the aniconception pill inside. So far to good.

our next plan is to steal muslim babies from the hospitals and give them to jehova witnesses or charity.

You could not be serious, ...or could you?:o

Originally posted by Microzoft
You could not be serious, ...or could you?:o

no..my finnish girlfriend was already an atheist when I met her

Originally posted by Microzoft
So, you give lecturers, no wonder that you are not used to answering questions! And you have developed skills to avoiding by insults, that figures!!

Remember that most people call you fanatic because you said so. Remember…
(If refuting your lies against islam is fanaticism, then I am VERY PROUD FANATIC)

Also.
Proud Muslim and strong believer in ALLAH ALMIGHTY.
Terminating all Anti-Islam forces wherever they are.

Remember?
:D Salamalecu!

terminating by PEACEFUL MEANS.........I dont think you know what the meaning of peace, since you live in brutal criminal soceity dominated by GUN CULTURE where the number of fire arms are duoble that of the poulation....

:p

Originally posted by spuriousmonkey
i converted my finnish girlfriend to evil atheism. We are now planning to sterilize all muslim finnish women to stop the spreading by giving out M&Ms with the anticonception pill inside. So far to good.

our next plan is to steal muslim babies from the hospitals and give them to jehova witnesses or charity.

I think the finnish POLIIS will be very interested to read your message.

are you going to sterilize muslim finnish women before or after somking the :m: ??????

:D

Originally posted by Green_World
terminating by PEACEFUL MEANS........
:p

terminating is an awkward word to signify peaceful intentions. Maybe you should pick a more neutral word.

and what if someone doesn't want to be terminated? Are you going to force them peacefully?

Originally posted by Green_World
I think the finnish POLIIS will be very interested to read your message.

:D

i don't think they give a shit. They are not really politically correct when it comes to foreigners or strange religions here.

Originally posted by spuriousmonkey
i don't think they give a shit. They are not really politically correct when it comes to foreigners or strange religions here.

Islam is Not strange religion in Finland, it is the second offical religion in the state, when Tarja halonen celebrate the independence day, she make sure to invite the leaders of the MUSLIM community to her palace.

She even came to this mosque al-rabita and she meet many muslims there.,

so BUG OFF.

dont forget to cross the red light tonight.

Originally posted by Zero
:confused: What women in Dubai??


I apologize Zero, that was "ZION".

So ZION, if you are reading this please respond to me. Thank you.

well, i would like to convert cos i like the socio-sexual advantages islam bestows upon its menfolk! (harem, boys............!)

hail allah and his prophet moh!


Moderator comment: Green_World is no longer with us so I have closed this thread. However, if anyone wants to continue this discussion with productive material then please PM me. Cris.