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BarbieGirl14
04-08-08, 08:54 PM
If I were president, I would publicly apologize to the civilians of the middle east for our oppression, occupation, and violence we have brought to the middle east. I would thank them for there cooperation, and loyalty to us through the hard times. I would tell them that because of there friendship with the U.S. and dedication toward helping us get the insurgents out; the world is a better place, and countless lives have been saved. I would tell them that they were heroes to the world, and I would give them a statue like france did usa as a symbol of our gratitude.

Obviously this is flattery and manipulate, but it would deceive them into thinking we truely hold them as a close friend. The non-radicals would have pride that such a powerful nation holds them in such high regard.

I would tell them, that in order to thank them for there friendship and alliance, we will not only build schools throughout iraq, but the whole middle east.

Each school would have it's own farm center to produce food, and a well to get water. Each school would provide healthy food, and water to its attendants. The teachers would have to pass a test to be able to teach at these schools. They would emphasize science.

Mothers would send there children to these schools so they can have a great education, and good food and water. Each student in iraq would be educated and be able to be an asst to the world.

What they would not know, is that while they learn science, they believe less faithfully in magic, and there god. Not saying they would forget there god, but they would not take him as seriously.


After these schools are in place, I would attempt to employ true islamic citizens to teach there. Science would make sure to keep religion out of its class.




Next I would take some of the money used toward war, and put it into research toward more productive farming. We would make plants that are very durable, and make plenty of fruit very fast. We would make it very cheap and simple to buy a farming kit. Maby a green box 8 feet tall bye 12 feet bye 12 feet dimensions. It would have a very simple timed irrigation system, and it would be cheap.

I would work to put these farming things to every poor family. in africa and other remote nations.This would help to solve world hunger.


I would play peace maker to promote peace throughout the world, and I would become close friends with as many nations as possible.

Eventually, people of the world would see me as trust worthy and a blessing to the world. I would offer to form an alliance with these countries. We would have a senate from each country to represent them, and we would create a small tax from all countries participating in this "alliance". The money would work to improve the world, and way of life everywhere. We would promote peace and love.

We would get as many nations to join as possible. Each time they join, money goes up to help improve parts of the world. As we improve more and more, more see the good we do, and we would get all the countries to join.

Once we have the whole world under one senate, I as the person most trusted, would propose we convert the world to alternate fuel, or maby clear all WMDs off the earth. I would make sure there is world peace and all humanity has an increased way of life.

With a world senate, and world funding, we could achieve anything as a human race. We could finance projects to colonize the moon, or even cure cancer. United, the posibilities are endless.



Ok so this is like my major dream lol.

I know it's not this simple, I wuld need to convince alot of media and stuff. But I think its achievable.

cosmictraveler
04-08-08, 09:05 PM
I would work to put these farming things to every poor family. in africa and other remote nations.This would help to solve world hunger.


Wouldn't it be more prudent to have family planning and birth control so that we don't have so many people to feed to begin with. Almost every problem humans have is due to overcrowding and lack of planning. :eek:

Kadark
04-08-08, 09:05 PM
What the fuck are you talking about, BarbieGirl14? Clean water? Food? Building schools?

We're talking about the Middle East - not sub-Saharan Africa. They have all the schools, food, and water they could ever need. You're supposedly a 14-year old American girl. You have no right to tell Middle Eastern civilians how to go about conducting their lives. If you still don't get it by now, the biggest problem your country poses to the Middle East is the fact that it interferes with it; whether you think you're helping them or not doesn't matter. Leave them alone, and see how it works out for you, "Barbie Girl".

cosmictraveler
04-08-08, 09:08 PM
I would tell them, that in order to thank them for there friendship and alliance, we will not only build schools throughout iraq, but the whole middle east.

Those in power in the Middle East, for the most part, keep their power by not teaching their citizens about the world as it really is but only want their citizens to understand Islamic laws and doctrines. That way they keep a tight fisted controll over everyone and they all do as they are told or else.

Asguard
04-08-08, 09:10 PM
MOD HAT: behave you lot, those sort of atacks wouldnt be permited on any other member and they wont be permited on her EITHER.

BarbieGirl14
04-08-08, 09:27 PM
The poor peeps would want opportunitys for there kids tho... so they would revolt... or we could plan a coup.

draqon
04-08-08, 09:31 PM
If I was a president I would invest as much as economically feasible in space sector and develop space expansion by utilizing latest aerospace research.

superluminal
04-08-08, 09:33 PM
The poor peeps would want opportunitys for there kids tho... so they would revolt... or we could plan a coup.

people, opportunities, their, though

Kadark
04-08-08, 09:36 PM
The poor peeps would want opportunitys for there kids tho... so they would revolt... or we could plan a coup.

The last coup you planned gave us Saddam. It's high time you started rethinking your choices.

Challenger78
04-08-08, 10:24 PM
I agree with Kadark. LEAVE THE MIDDLE EAST AND THE WORLD ALONE. WE ARE NOT YOUR PLAYTHINGS.

Asguard
04-08-08, 10:26 PM
since when are you in the middle east, i always thought you were in Australia

Challenger78
04-08-08, 10:28 PM
I am. But in case you haven't noticed, The US influence extends here as well. namely pine gap.

Asguard
04-08-08, 10:30 PM
I agree, im tired of the US telling us what we should and shouldnt do. How dare they tell rudd he is to close to china, thats OUR decision

How dare Bush try to tell us to vote for howard against the interests of australia because he brown nosed bush for the last 6 or whatever years

madanthonywayne
04-08-08, 10:30 PM
If I was a president I would invest as much as economically feasible in space sector and develop space expansion by utilizing latest aerospace research.
Dragon, that's not a bad idea!:eek:

Asguard
04-08-08, 10:31 PM
Mad wouldnt that currently be zero thought concidering the US deficiate?

Challenger78
04-08-08, 10:33 PM
I like the isolationist era of the US the best. Sure, Aus and Britain would be fascist/imperialist but hey, we can live with that. (just as long as Aus is not fascist)

Challenger78
04-08-08, 10:35 PM
In response to the OP, the assumptions are hopelessly naive, A random man off the streets could not become president without some very powerful backers. You can't play peacemaker without catering to your own interests first, (which is essentially what the US did), you can't go around telling people what they can or cannot do. Or cause countries to pay tax. That, and Love doesn't make the world go round.

madanthonywayne
04-08-08, 10:59 PM
Mad wouldnt that currently be zero thought concidering the US deficiate?
Oh, I'd balance the budget in the first year. Cut everything. Fire as many federal employees as possible. Ban unions from government jobs. Veto any spending bill with any earmarks. Eliminate all government subsidies of everything. Close most of our military bases all over the world. Sell off federal land.

Then I'd increase spending on the space program.

Challenger78
04-08-08, 11:03 PM
That might be the only thing I might be able to agree on with you.

TW Scott
04-08-08, 11:19 PM
If I were president:

Reinstate tariffs on imported goods via a simple method. I would make sure that the tax on any imported good was the difference between the labor cost in the foreign country and the labor it would cost made here. If it was more expensive to make there, no tariff. If less the tariff is the difference with half going to US treasury and other half going to Foreign Aid.

Cut all other funding of Foreign aid.

Cut military spending on big ticket items. Increase Salary for Enlisted and O1-O4

Rebuild our entire infrastructure.

Offer tax break to people restarting manufacturing facilities, starting energy research, and building green homes.

Offer government refunds on residential solar panels and wind turbines

End all farming subsidies, encourage Algae as our diesel fule provider, discourage corn ethanol

Strengthen our military forces by making the careers competitive with private secter.

Push for all crogressional medal of honor winners to have tax exempt status

Push to have Scientology labeled a business and negate it's tax exempt status.

There is more but this is all i could think of right off the top of my head.

ashura
04-08-08, 11:20 PM
Then I'd increase spending on the space program.

Just curious considering your views, why wouldn't you leave this to the private sector? Are you interested in pursuing some form of neo-imperialism where space is the next frontier to conquer?

Mr. G
04-08-08, 11:48 PM
I agree, im tired of the US telling us what we should and shouldnt do. How dare they tell rudd he is to close to china, thats OUR decision

How dare Bush try to tell us to vote for howard against the interests of australia because he brown nosed bush for the last 6 or whatever years
So, you can relate to America being told what it can and cannot do.

So, you can relate to Americans being told what we can and cannot do.

How dare you defend your double standard as being intellectually consistent.

http://www.sciforums.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

madanthonywayne
04-09-08, 12:02 AM
Reinstate tariffs on imported goods via a simple method. I would make sure that the tax on any imported good was the difference between the labor cost in the foreign country and the labor it would cost made here. If it was more expensive to make there, no tariff. If less the tariff is the difference with half going to US treasury and other half going to Foreign Aid.I agree with your motivation, but a tariff system such as this would probably start a trade war that would be bad for everyone.

Cut all other funding of Foreign aid.
Good idea, except just cut off all foriegn aide except for emergencies (disaster relief).
Cut military spending on big ticket items. Increase Salary for Enlisted and O1-O4
Well, I kind of like cool new weapons, but there's probably room for cutting. And I certainly approve of taking care of our troops.
Rebuild our entire infrastructure.A good idea. I'd pay off the debt first, though.
Offer tax break to people restarting manufacturing facilities, starting energy research, and building green homes. All good. How about zero corporate tax on companies that manufacture goods in the US?

Offer government refunds on residential solar panels and wind turbinesYeah, alright. But I'd probably go to a flat tax with no deductions so this would be out.

End all farming subsidies, encourage Algae as our diesel fule provider, discourage corn ethanol
Eliminate all subsidies. That would kill ethanol, which is an idiotic waste.
Strengthen our military forces by making the careers competitive with private secter.
Push for all congressional medal of honor winners to have tax exempt status
no prob
Push to have Scientology labeled a business and negate it's tax exempt status.Why? I agree they're wierd, but I don't go in for persecuting religions. Even phony ones made up by a scifi writer.

Just curious considering your views, why wouldn't you leave this to the private sector? Are you interested in pursuing some form of neo-imperialism where space is the next frontier to conquer?
I don't know that I'd consider it neo-imperialism, but....... yes. Space is the next frontier to conquer. We can either stay on earth, use up its resources, and sink back into barbarism. Or we can tap into the limitless resources of the solar system and the universe beyond.

TW Scott
04-09-08, 12:13 AM
I agree with your motivation, but a tariff system such as this would probably start a trade war that would be bad for everyone.

We're already in one and losing. The reason for half the tariff to go to foreign aid is sounds better than give half back to the country that import comes from.

Good idea, except just cut off all foriegn aide except for emergencies (disaster relief).

Well i do believe that Afria is almost in a perpetual disaster right now. So that distinction is kinda moot.

Well, I kind of like cool new weapons, but there's probably room for cutting. And I certainly approve of taking care of our troops.

Well I like cool new weapons too. Things like the XM-8 which would replace the M-4, M-16, and M-249 and allow our troops ultimate flexibility in small arm usage. However i think we can lay off the new aircraft carriers for now, or at least not allow the compnies to padd the bill any.

A good idea. I'd pay off the debt first, though.

The new infrastructure would pay for itself and our debt in increased economy.

All good. How about zero corporate tax on companies that manufacture goods in the US?

Reduced tax for new business is enough. I still want some social programs.

Yeah, alright. But I'd probably go to a flat tax with no deductions so this would be out.

How about flat tax for earning above 150k for single and 225k for couple. Below that use our existing tax laws. It taxes the rich without punishing the poor.

Eliminate all subsidies. That would kill ethanol, which is an idiotic waste. no prob

I agree, corn ethanol is an idiotic waste. You get negligable fuel per acre. Algae grown on same acre in polyvinyl sacs is at least 100 times as efficent.

Why? I agree they're wierd, but I don't go in for persecuting religions. Even phony ones made up by a scifi writer.

Actually, considering Operation Snow White. That alone is reason enough.

S.A.M.
04-09-08, 12:13 AM
If I were president, I would publicly apologize to the civilians of the middle east for our oppression, occupation, and violence we have brought to the middle east. I would thank them for there cooperation, and loyalty to us through the hard times. I would tell them that because of there friendship with the U.S. and dedication toward helping us get the insurgents out; the world is a better place, and countless lives have been saved. I would tell them that they were heroes to the world, and I would give them a statue like france did usa as a symbol of our gratitude.


Perhaps you should visit the Middle East first and interact (http://saudijeans.org/2008/03/31/on-justice-and-constitution/) with some of the people there, so you can get rid of some of your primitive thinking.

They may even give you a statue (http://ikbis.com/Ahmed/album/948#) if you ask politely

Mr. G
04-09-08, 12:35 AM
Were I President?

I would only sign national defense-related bills into law. I would veto most all other Federal appropriations bills to strangle the corruption of Pork and nanny-state entitlements.

I would withhold all Federal funding from the Dept. of Education until it died a deserved naturally horrible death commensurate with its demonstrated contribution to society.

I would withhold most all Federal funding from the States and their Municipalities forcing them to live within their local means, and giving individuals better 2nd Amendment-related targets of opportunity in those decreasingly liking instances when their elected representatives fail to adequately and properly represent them and their tax contributions.

I would wish I had that much power as President.

pharaohmoan
04-09-08, 04:33 AM
I would introduce a 4 day working week.

BarbieGirl14
04-09-08, 07:36 AM
Dad has been to iraq and afganistan. He tells me what its like.

Besides, non-westernized countries need interference.

Do you know where insurgent forcs get there support and tropps from? They get them from the poor, low-classed rural areas. It's not rich people with food, water, and education doing all the grunt work. It's poor, dumb, starving people with no hope of a beter future and they believe what the radicals tell them. There dumb, and gullable.

If we give them school, and a chance to improve there life, we cut down on religious wars, biased opinions, and the people of the world will understand each other better.

Even tho we are interfering with there country and stuff, I believe someone has to be the leader. If we do not have a country pushing for unity, peace, and a beter way of life for the whole world. Then we are just selfish, naive and careless. I don't want only America to be happy I want the whole world to be.

Just because it's never been done, doesn't mean it can't be.

All of you guys saying your ideas... you all keep caring about your own country. What about the other ones too. You should care for all humanity. Not just your nation.

S.A.M.
04-09-08, 07:40 AM
Besides, non-westernized countries need interference.
.

They've had plenty.

We call it The American Holocaust

http://members.aol.com/bblum6/American_holocaust.htm

^^^ I suggest you buy this book and read it cover to cover.

Perhaps you'll understand why America is such a dirty word in some places.

Challenger78
04-09-08, 08:41 AM
Dad has been to iraq and afganistan. He tells me what its like.

Besides, non-westernized countries need interference.

Do you know where insurgent forcs get there support and tropps from? They get them from the poor, low-classed rural areas. It's not rich people with food, water, and education doing all the grunt work. It's poor, dumb, starving people with no hope of a beter future and they believe what the radicals tell them. There dumb, and gullable.


The question is , if an insurgent force is present are you sure you aren't doing something wrong ?

I don't know, like letting murderers off, not reconstructing proper projects, and perhaps backing the (more US/West friendly side) wrong side of the population ? Maybe taking the advice of someone who has proven to be unreliable in this field and using it because it fits their agenda is a wrong step. Just maybe ya think ?.

Yeah, people are dumb and gullible. But they can only take so much, so before you go on telling them that there is hope for a better future, why don't you stop bombing the crap out of them first ? You ever wonder what people have left when they don't have running water? Religion and faith. It's what keeps them together.


If we give them school, and a chance to improve there life, we cut down on religious wars, biased opinions, and the people of the world will understand each other better.


Note, Most religious wars are often not religious wars but interpreted as religious wars. For instance, People think that muslims are going to palestine to attack Jews for the sole reason because their Jewish. Not true. Muslims from Bangladesh are going to Lebanon to fight Israeli's to correct an injustice.

You think that by giving them school and education would work ? You really think that just because they understand why the israeli's shot their 8 year old cousin and why the UN can't do anything, that that's going to stop them from spitting at the next Israeli soldier they see ?. Your idea isn't totally useless, but education has been used as propaganda and cannon fodder before, How are you going to ensure that it isn't again ?.




Even tho we are interfering with there country and stuff, I believe someone has to be the leader. If we do not have a country pushing for unity, peace, and a beter way of life for the whole world. Then we are just selfish, naive and careless. I don't want only America to be happy I want the whole world to be.

Just because it's never been done, doesn't mean it can't be.

All of you guys saying your ideas... you all keep caring about your own country. What about the other ones too. You should care for all humanity. Not just your nation.

Here's an Idea why don't you let the countries that you care soooo deeply about [B]Lead THEMSELVES/B]. They are capable of doing that you know ? Like theres this thing called a brain that they have too you know (end sarcasm) .

If you want to help them, fine, maybe drop off a few computers or something off their door. But don't tell them not to look at porn. Because that's just selfish. Or don't tell them, sorry you can't give the Shia people computers because a different company has that job.

You really think that if a country helps another country, that they're doing it coz they're nice guys ? Really ? Get a clue. Nothing is free. Especially if it comes from a foreign government. Yeah, yeah, we should care for all humanity. Now tell me how caring for all humanity is going to help my buy this new plasma TV. Sure we'd like to help, but see, this plasma is for me.

See my point ? People are selfish. Who cares that people aren't getting three meals a day, I got my plasma man. I appreciate your spirit though. Just that your ideas are totally unrealistic. If you want change, you'll have to pay for it in blood and treasure, and you won't get reelected.

Enmos
04-09-08, 09:11 AM
Dad has been to iraq and afganistan. He tells me what its like.

Besides, non-westernized countries need interference.

Do you know where insurgent forcs get there support and tropps from? They get them from the poor, low-classed rural areas. It's not rich people with food, water, and education doing all the grunt work. It's poor, dumb, starving people with no hope of a beter future and they believe what the radicals tell them. There dumb, and gullable.

If we give them school, and a chance to improve there life, we cut down on religious wars, biased opinions, and the people of the world will understand each other better.

Even tho we are interfering with there country and stuff, I believe someone has to be the leader. If we do not have a country pushing for unity, peace, and a beter way of life for the whole world. Then we are just selfish, naive and careless. I don't want only America to be happy I want the whole world to be.

Just because it's never been done, doesn't mean it can't be.

All of you guys saying your ideas... you all keep caring about your own country. What about the other ones too. You should care for all humanity. Not just your nation.

Who are you to enforce happiness on other people ?

Challenger78
04-09-08, 09:12 AM
I wonder how many pages it'll take to convince her?

BarbieGirl14
04-09-08, 09:14 AM
So i'm not aloud to say something smart without you saying it's not me saying it? How fair.

cosmictraveler
04-09-08, 09:16 AM
So i'm not aloud to say something smart without you saying it's not me saying it? How fair.

It's just that you don't tell us the truth about who you are. That makes us suspicious, wouldn't it make you suspicious too? :shrug:

Challenger78
04-09-08, 09:19 AM
Either that, or you don't tell us what we expect to hear, then complain when we put attention on that fact.

An enigma indeed, So, either respond intelligently, and dazzle me and change my mind, or stop trying to post naive drivel and not back it up.

BarbieGirl14
04-09-08, 09:45 AM
I don't lie. You just call me a liar.

I noticed that; if you have a teacher, and she really really dislikes you for whatever reason. You do worse in her class. Even when you try, your confidence is low and you have such a hard time getting an A due to her meanness.

Then you get those teachers with such high expectations of you, and you want so badly not to let him down, so you work hard to be exactly what he expects of you.



My thought process doesn't change. The way I type only changes if im in a hurry, or upset.


The change you see, is that YOU are reading and understanding. You don't just automatically assume i'm wrong because my age. The change is you. I have always been the same. I bet if I went really deep into this thread, and put in my opinions and philosophies about them, your opinion would be different. Since it's only my opinion vs yours, and you have such high expectations of your self that it must be ME not seeing clearly. You never think maby I am.




Anyways.

A country is largely reflected by there leaders. The rulers in america get to power through manipulation. If you need me to explain how manipulation gets them to power please leave this thread and do not read it again. I do not feel it necessary to explain this, and I believe any intellectual person can understand the nature of my statement.

The leaders then attempt to manipulate the people of his nation to agree with his ideas, so he can go about with what he wants by saying it's what the people want. If he doesn't have the people on his side, a revolution could happen, or he could be impeached.

There is another side to this though.

My dad says that; by nature most Americans want to be left alone, and most soldiers want to get paid without going to war. Mr. Bush is doing a very god job of leaving the Americans citizens alone. The soldiers in Iraq are largely what brings protest. Luckily the media has made it almost taboo to speak against the war or its soldiers, so we rant about how we hate Mr. Bush, but it doesnt effect us enough to do something. In this way our president is working a fine line in the sense, he doesn't need to pursuade us.

In The middle east, alot of these rural people with very harsh lives do NOT want to be left alone. They want help. Hey want an improved way of life.

Let's say we started spreading rumors throughout the middle east that america, in its sympathy for them, is going to build schools, and provide education, food, and a future to these rural people.

Then we simply let there government snatch it away. Will this force the people to take americas side against there own leaders? Will there be much turmoil when a coup happens and a nicer leader is put in his place?

Reiku
04-09-08, 09:46 AM
If i was president......................................... .................................................. ..... .................................................. .............................................. .................................................. .............................................. .................................................. .............................................. .................................................. .............................................. I'd resign.

draqon
04-09-08, 09:47 AM
If I was a president I would invest in space sector...of course I already said that...

Reiku
04-09-08, 09:52 AM
I wish i'd thought of that one. Then i could take over the galaxy far from Sun.

I took that last bit from star wars :)

BarbieGirl14
04-09-08, 09:59 AM
If you want me to just shush now on the subject, just tell me and I will. Obviously i'm to naive to have any smart thoughts, so why waste both my and your time telling you them.

So please tell me if you want me to stop Wasting your time by obligating you to read my nonsense posts

Reiku
04-09-08, 10:07 AM
No one should shush you. Just say what you want. I have learned that by being here.

Reiku
04-09-08, 10:09 AM
Barbie girl. I am sorry if i caled you naive. As i said, please do not take it to heart. Most naive minds have a place in sociaty.

spidergoat
04-09-08, 11:48 AM
Your heart is in the right place, barbie, but I agree that you need to educate yourself some more on the real situation in the countries you talk about. We are building school buildings in Iraq, but that isn't really the problem. You need teachers that get paid, and they won't get paid if they don't give lip service to Islam. Even if they are culturally acceptable to Iraqis, teachers aren't getting paid there. Security isn't that great where kids could walk to school on their own.

As far as crops, introducing a system that might work in your backyard isn't necessarily applicable to other countries and climates. There are innumerable factors to consider; native crop species are often far more appropriate. Where will the water come from? Who will pay for water projects, and who will maintain them when you're gone? There is an interesting project going on to use childrens playground equipment to drive water pumps.

Forming alliances with other countries is often more easily said than done. Maybe someday you will an ambassador (and you will have to drop the term "peeps").

Also, there is no "alternate fuel" that can replace the energy we now use from fossil fuels.

I suggest a good place to start is join the Peace Corps.

Or do something like her:
http://ypwr.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/23/tara-suri/

madanthonywayne
04-10-08, 12:34 AM
If you want me to just shush now on the subject, just tell me and I will. Obviously i'm to naive to have any smart thoughts, so why waste both my and your time telling you them.

So please tell me if you want me to stop Wasting your time by obligating you to read my nonsense posts
Barbie,

Your views are welcome. If other posters do not agree with them, they should argue with the logic behind them rather than engage in discussions about how "naive" you may be or whether it is you or your father making a particular post.

MOD NOTE: PLEASE STICK TO THE TOPIC AND AVOID PERSONAL INSULTS.

Challenger78
04-10-08, 12:56 AM
My thought process doesn't change. The way I type only changes if im in a hurry, or upset.


Glad that's sorted. Let the intelligent discussion begin.



In The middle east, alot of these rural people with very harsh lives do NOT want to be left alone. They want help. Hey want an improved way of life.



Who the hell are you to tell everyone else, what the people of these countries want ? Are you from the middle east ? Have you educated yourself about the middle east or even about pride ?
A lot of these countries are a lot more capable of what you give them credit for. A lot more started modernising on their own. Sure, you build the calculators, but they buy it off you. Whites thought that they were doing blacks a favour by employing them in slave capacities with low pay.




Let's say we started spreading rumors throughout the middle east that america, in its sympathy for them, is going to build schools, and provide education, food, and a future to these rural people.

Then we simply let there government snatch it away. Will this force the people to take americas side against there own leaders? Will there be much turmoil when a coup happens and a nicer leader is put in his place?

Define nicer, Nice to his people inevitably means that he's going to piss someone else *Read:Western Powers, off. Nice to you, means that he's going to piss his people off. Since his people can pretty much end his regime, he's going to take care of his people.

I can see you thinking along the lines of where everyone has an education and a chance to make it big, but who controls the education ?, Who says its right to look at porn in Azerbaijan ? Do the American printed textbooks say so ? Or the people waving pitchforks ? . Yes, Education should be free, but even in America, education doesn't give people a reasonable chance.

Cazzo
04-10-08, 08:01 AM
[QUOTE=BarbieGirl14;1812858]If I were president, I would publicly apologize to the civilians of the middle east for our oppression, occupation, and violence we have brought to the middle east. QUOTE]

:poke:
Umm wake up and smell the coffee.
Iraq was under an evil dictator and his sons, and the U.S. liberates them from that tyranny, and gives them an opportunity for freedom and democracy.
That sure as hell doesn't sound like "oppression" to me.
And after the quick and relatively bloodless war leading to the downfall of Sadam, the U.S. started helping rebuild their deteriorating infrastructure (due to Sadam). Then the terrorists and insurgents started oppression, mass killings, and violence.
Leftists and idiots took advantage of this and have used it as bogus propoganda against the U.S. ever since.
What, a terrorist bomber blew up another 100 innocent Iraqis ?
That's not the terrorists fault, noooooooo..... it's the U.S.'s fault :rolleyes:

Challenger78
04-10-08, 08:26 AM
Right.
Wake up and smell the coffee indeed.

Who put the Shah in power ? -USA
Who put Saddam in power ? -USA
Who encouraged the Iran-Iraq war?- USA
Who enabled the dictators of latin America-USA

USA,USA,USA. Feels like the olympics doesn't it ?.

Cazzo
04-10-08, 08:29 AM
Right.
Wake up and smell the coffee indeed.

Who put the Shah in power ? -USA
Who put Saddam in power ? -USA
Who encouraged the Iran-Iraq war?- USA
Who enabled the dictators of latin America-USA

USA,USA,USA. Feels like the olympics doesn't it ?.

At least the U.S. corrected the problem.
The terrorists and insurgents are just trying to turn things around now, with the help of weft-wing propoganda.

Challenger78
04-10-08, 08:36 AM
At least the U.S. corrected the problem.
The terrorists and insurgents are just trying to turn things around now, with the help of weft-wing propoganda.


You mean the US is still trying to correct the problem. Your solution to the Ayatollah and religious hotbed that became of Iran instead of a democracy is now to nuke it. How enlightening. You could have waited for Saddam to die, like Castro. You could have not sponsored the generals in the Venezuelan coup, you pretty much created more problems trying to fix the mid east. (not so much Latin America, because they slowly fixed themselves).

Sure, the terrorists and insurgents are the enemy, You ever hear of a thing called critical thinking? you know, the whole why? Ever think that the left wing might be right ? Or are you just going to sit there calling it propaganda as if that justifies FOX news ?.

A large percentage of terrorism can be traced or have influence with a superpower. There are exceptions, such as the IRA, but I'm not an expert on that.