View Full Version : If D-Day were reported today by the New York Times


Pangloss
06-24-04, 11:08 PM
I wasn't sure, but this seemed like more politics than history. This has been floating around the Internet. I've seen it attributed to a William A. Mayer, but I don't know anything more about it's history. I just enjoyed the detail of it.

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Tragic French Offensive Stalled on Beaches (Normandy, France - June 6, 1944) - Pandemonium, shock and sheer terror predominate today's events in Europe.

In an as yet unfolding apparent fiasco, Supreme Allied Commander, Gen. Dwight David Eisenhower's troops got a rude awakening this morning at Omaha Beach here in Normandy.

Due to insufficient planning and lack of a workable entrance strategy, soldiers of the 1st and 29th Infantry as well as Army Rangers are now bogged down and sustaining heavy casualties inflicted on them by dug-in insurgent positions located 170 feet above them on cliffs overlooking the beaches which now resemble blood soaked killing fields at the time of this mid-morning filing.

Bodies, parts of bodies, and blood are the order of the day here, the screams of the dying and the stillness of the dead mingle in testament to this terrible event.

Morale can only be described as extremely poor--in some companies all the officers have been either killed or incapacitated, leaving only poorly trained privates to fend for themselves.

Things appear to be going so poorly that Lt. General Omar Bradley has been rumored to be considering breaking off the attack entirely. As we go to press embattled U.S. president Franklin Delano Roosevelt's
spokesman has not made himself available for comment at all, fueling fires that something has gone disastrously awry.

The government at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is in a distinct lock-down mode and the Vice President's location is presently and officially undisclosed.

Whether the second in command should have gone into hiding during such a crisis will have to be answered at some future time, but many agree it does not send a good signal.

Miles behind the beaches and adding to the chaos, U.S. Naval gunships have inflicted many friendly fire casualties, as huge high explosive projectiles rain death and destruction on unsuspecting Allied positions.
The lack of training of Naval gunners has been called into question numerous times before and today's demonstration seems to underlie those concerns.

At Utah Beach the situation is also grim, elements of the 82nd and 101st Airborne seemed to be in disarray as they missed their primary drop zones behind the area believed to comprise the militant's front lines. Errant paratroopers have been hung up in trees, breaking arms and legs, rendering themselves easy targets for those defending this territory.

On the beach front itself the landing area was missed, catapulting U.S. forces nearly 2,000 yards South of the intended coordinates, thus placing them that much farther away from the German insurgents and unable to direct covering fire or materially add to the operation.

Casualties at day's end are nothing short of horrific; at least 8,000 and possibly as many as 9,000 were wounded in the haphazardly coordinated attack, which seems to have no unifying purpose or intent. Of this number at least 3,000 have been estimated as having been killed, making June 6th by far, the worst single day of the war which has dragged on now--with no exit strategy in sight--as the American economy still struggles to recover from Herbert Hoover's depression and its 25% unemployment.

Military spending has skyrocketed the national debt into uncharted regions, lending another cause for concern. When and if the current hostilities finally end it may take generations for the huge debt to be repaid.

On the planning end of things, experts wonder privately if enough troops were committed to the initial offensive and whether at least another 100,000 troops should have been added to the force structure before such an audacious undertaking. Communication problems also have made their presence felt making that an area for further investigation by the appropriate governmental committees.

On the home front, questions and concern have been voiced. A telephone poll has shown dwindling support for the wheel-chair bound Commander In Chief, which might indicate a further erosion of support for his now three year-old global war.

Of course, the President's precarious health has always been a question. He has just recently recovered from pneumonia and speculation persists whether or not he has sufficient stamina to properly sustain the war effort. This remains a topic of furious discussion among those questioning his competency.

Today's costly and chaotic landing compounds the President's already large credibility problem.

More darkly, this phase of the war, commencing less than six months before the next general election, gives some the impression that Roosevelt may be using this offensive simply as a means to secure re-election in the fall.

Underlining the less than effective Allied attack, German casualties--most of them innocent and hapless conscripts--seem not to be as severe as would be imagined. A German minister who requested anonymity stated categorically that "the aggressors were being driven back into the sea amidst heavy casualties, the German people seek no wider war."

"The news couldn't be better," Adolph Hitler said when he was first informed of the D-Day assault earlier this afternoon.

"As long as they were in Britain we couldn't get at them. Now we have them where we can destroy them."

German minister Goebbels had been told of the Allied airborne landings at 0400 hours.

"Thank God, at last," he said. "This is the final round."

dixonmassey
06-24-04, 11:32 PM
Implicit comparison of WWII to Iraq war is an insult to the average intelligence.

hypewaders
06-25-04, 12:50 AM
It must be a happy daydream for the less than average, though. However, this kind of drivel has a lot of currency among many fellow Americans I deal with. Such crap really should be debunked whenever it appears- sometimes in short casual conversations, I don't recognize this poison in time, and Im mad afterwards, when it's too late to fight the ignorance as it appears. I hate that.

"I just enjoyed the detail of it."

I just enjoyed the furtive attempt at abrogating responsibility for the paste. Would you post kiddie-porn with a similar self-protecting caveat? Oh, & welcome to Sciforums, Pangloss

buffys
06-25-04, 01:28 AM
C'mon hype, he can't win in this scenario. If he'd mentioned nothing about it's origin he'd have been crucified as a plagiarist.

I agree though, it is a silly comparison. A more accurate one would be something like the "battle" of wounded knee. Unlike the US/Iraq war, D-day was a fight against similarly armed, trained and funded army.

The america/iraq war is more like a rhinoceros against a child with a pointy stick.

Psycho-Cannon
06-25-04, 05:36 AM
not to menton the cause being fought for and resons for starting it but hey i won't let that ruin this little comparison :)

Pangloss
06-25-04, 09:22 AM
I apologize if I gave the impression that this was a serious attempt to portray bias in the media on a rational level. I just saw it as a really well developed joke. I like good jokes from all sides of the political spectrum, and the more developed, the better (just in my opinion). I get a lot of junk in email from extremist or reactionary friends, and I'm getting the impression in general that it's a bad idea to post them here, which is cool. Stuff like that Bush resume, or the letter from the Sgt coming home from Iraq.

Anyway, still learning the ropes here, so I'm sorry if I overstepped the normal bounds. I do understand the reactions -- these things can be annoying and frustrating, for sure. Obviously I went about this the wrong way.

buffys
06-25-04, 03:28 PM
don't be an idiot, it IS a well developed joke and it isn't even close to the boundary so quit apologizing. You'll know when you've "overstepped the normal bounds", this wasn't even mildly offensive.

Undecided
06-25-04, 03:53 PM
That is comparing and apple and an orange. Unlike in June 6th 1944, where we were winning the war. Here we aren’t there is a COMPLETE lack of coherency in the comparison, and it’s an intellectual insult (as another member said).

buffys
06-25-04, 08:13 PM
jesus, we've been through this. Leave the poor guy alone, it's a funny post.

otheadp
06-26-04, 11:58 AM
it's not a joke... it is sad

Implicit comparison of WWII to Iraq war is an insult to the average intelligence.
how about comparing it to Vietnam?
alright, let's not go there
this is not about comparing wars, it's about exposing the liberal media's anti-American propaganda

otheadp
06-26-04, 12:02 PM
http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/UnlearnedLessons-X.gif

http://www.lileks.com/bleats/archive/04/0604/0602/disbleat/dis3.jpg http://www.lileks.com/bleats/archive/04/0604/0602/disbleat/dis4.jpg

Undecided
06-26-04, 09:34 PM
Like Vietnam the US has no control over her vassal, and there is a populist insurgency, the US is trying it “Iraqize” the war, and it is failing like it did in Vietnam to create a competent army, the list does go on. The comparison is FAR more accurate then some hyperbolic reference to WWII.

otheadp
06-27-04, 03:06 AM
both Iraq and Vietnam have 'i's in them
it is obvious that they are one and the same war
:p

but seriously though, while there are some similarities, there are fundamental differences

which isn't even the point of the original post
see the pics above again... what are they telling you?

Stokes Pennwalt
06-27-04, 05:06 AM
You cannot compare Iraq to WWII.

You cannot compare Iraq to Vietnam.

If you do so, you're either being intellectually dishonest, or stupid.

hypewaders
06-27-04, 07:43 AM
"see the pics above again... what are they telling you?"

That fascism is breeding in America.

otheadp
06-27-04, 10:57 AM
or maybe that high-cholesterol foods has blocked the blood pathways to the brains for many Americans... ?

it's one of the two.. i'm sure

Undecided
06-28-04, 02:19 PM
but seriously though, while there are some similarities, there are fundamental differences

Of course there are fundamental differences, but one cannot simply deny the validity of comparing two failing American adventures, this is really just another big nothing in American history. There are fundamental similarities as well, the most poignant being the “Vietnamization” of Iraq. When the US left in ’73, the South Vietnamese were left to fend for themselves, two years later Saigon fell. To merely deny the similarities btwn the two is a direct response to a emotive-intellectual complex that Americans seem to have with Vietnam.

Spyke
06-28-04, 02:33 PM
Post what you want, Pangloss, and don't give a fuck if another member is having a bad hair day.