the world would be ideal if everyone was...

atheists?
:)

If everyone was DEAD!

Yay for being morbid! :)

yeah, my fault, forgot about myself

edit: request for a mod to please add :atheist: choice to the pool

Done.

...aware of the truth.

...able to live and follow their own ideals without judging others or being judged themselves.

...content with the concept of the freedom to do whatever you want to do as long as it doesn't negate the freedom of others being universal.

...a little more intelligent.

...a little less self absorbed.

...not human.

Sounds just like me, although I am undecided about the not human part.

Originally posted by Cris
Sounds just like me, although I am undecided about the not human part.

Well, in my experience, being human and the first five options seem far too often to be exclusive conditions.

immortality and prosperity make up an ideal world.:D

I picked buddhist.
i just figured they are pretty harmless human beings so that would be the most ideal scenario out of all the options given.

A world full of dr lounatarians would be better though of course.

Originally posted by Saint
immortality and prosperity make up an ideal world.:D
immortality?! are you mad?
one word - O V E R P O P U L A T I O N

prosperity?
people would become lazy, not do anything, regression and degeneration

actually they would be two prime "evils"

Originally posted by Avatar
immortality?! are you mad?
one word - O V E R P O P U L A T I O N

prosperity?
people would become lazy, not do anything, regression and degeneration

actually they would be two prime "evils"

No offense, but your focus is too narrow. Immortality would lower the death rate, but there would still be one, and when we have actaully reached that stage, couldnt their be checks and balances to prevent over population? Nobody would leave the world overcrowded, or even let everyone become immortal, theres plenty of oppurtunites to prevent it. (not right now though, we're just barly out of the stone age still, our parasitic species us)

As to the original question, what would make the world ideal. Understanding, everyone has a different desire, and understanding of everyones differences would create a world that is ideal to live in.

Immortality would lower the death rate, but there would still be one,
sorry, but no
there wasn't specified the type of immortality
we have actaully reached that stage, couldnt their be checks and balances to prevent over population?
my original question is -> the world would be ideal if everyone was... [as of now!]
Nobody would leave the world overcrowded, or even let everyone become immortal
there wasn't anything mentioned about the ways of ackquiring immortality, so you must suppose that everyone is immortal
because the question is-> the world would be ideal if everyone was...

There can never be an ideal world for everyone and even if there could be, the (1) options you give us are hardly enough to idealise the billions of complex structures, which support our emotions, intelligence and mentality etc. that would have to be idealised first, in order to have an ideal whole.

I am big on day-dreaming, but even to think of such concepts, feels too much like wishing upon a star, because a) they are too complex b) impossible.

I would have given more options, but please see in what forum I have posted this thread.
the thread would be with no options if it was placed in psychology thread, but I had my reasons to post in in religion section

we could easily start another discussion in psychology and decide on the real ideal world :)
I would much enjoy it.
maybe you make the starting thread, so I am not accused of cross posting, although it wouldn't be such, because this thread is more or less religion tended

I believe you missed my point. I think it would be futile to attempt to decide on what would constitute an ideal world, because it is such an impossibility. Why bother?

A few years ago, when I was younger, less cynical and more idealistic, I would have loved to get my head round such concepts, especially with friends sitting around smoking and drinking ourselves into higher planes of consciousness (and unconsciousness), but although it was fun, ultimately we got nothing but half baked waffle sounding out through the small hours.

It seems that most grand ideas or 'the big questions', all seem to be surrounded by an impenetrable wall of rationality, which hides the answers in perpetuity. You can certainly give your brain a good work-out trying to suss them, but ultimately, if you don't leave them alone, they can just drive you crazy.

One of my latest insights, which I posted a while back and got no replies to, was the thought that what we consider as being logical in this earthly realm, actually becomes illogical when we try to apply it to certain things like god, the universe, infinity, etc. It's as though the ultimate questions to these concepts are unanswerable, because we are applying human logic and known laws of physics. And it got me to thinking, is logic all it's made out to be?

Most humans are peaceful, logical, rational people and yet they can never stop killing each other and they are ruining the planet for future generations, ensuring that disasters and diseases will flourish in their grandkids times. They fight and murder over ideologies and yet they are all hippocrites. They have Justice systems that are not just, that rely on printed, out of date words, that sells freedom to the highest bidders, regardless of guilt. All this and more and still, we are eradicating diseases and reaching for the stars, our intellect and compexity it seems, knows no bounds, except when we come to those biggies. I wonder if that's the way it always was. Maybe we got it wrong... developed the wrong side of the brain?

Mrs. Tablariddim--a woman of few words, says that individuals tend to idealise their own little world the best they can and that problems arise when others try to ruin it for them, which I think is a brilliant insight because you can see it happening from individuals, to family grooups, to small communities and even to nationalistic levels on occassion.

very right, very true
I think your wife has solved our case :)
all my respect to her

... humble, and treat others as they would like to be treated themselves, IMO.

please, those who reply, also do the pool
thank you

the world would be ideal if everyone was... the way they are now.

The world is ideal now.

Everyone's world is ideal, to them. The ideal is created by the individual. Those that can't create their own ideal microcosms, even if only to the degree where life is just bearable, must be very miserable souls indeed.

Originally posted by Avatar
sorry, but no
there wasn't specified the type of immortality
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Immortality doesnt cover accidental deaths, are you also saying that immortal people are invincible? The ways we see to avoid death now involve taking care of the body, but they wouldnt prevent accidents and murders.

The world is perfect as is!

I'll elaborate on that later.
Faf.... Sorry but youre wrong. if it says immortal, it means immortal, literally.

as far as the pool goes it seems that the ideal world would be if all are "dead" "buddhists" who are "not thinking about such things"

But the world is so perfect as it is! it has enough variety and space to satisfy everyone. There is a place for buddhists and atheists and the dead and anything in between! Pick the spot on the globe you'd like best and live there! If the world was all the same, for example, all dead or all buddhist, there would be no happiness. Remember, in order to have joy you have to have sadness to make a comparison.


(wow I can not believe I stuck my nose into Religion forum)

people who follow religions (buddhism is a philosophy) are generally not happy with the things that the world is (hope for afterlife , saviours etc etc), and this is a religion forum ;)

A Buddhist has to be happy with the here and now, because he has no desires. He does not desire an afterlife, he does not care for it but is aware of its existence.

(youre still up?! meh, my paw is out of this thread, catch me on aim if you like. it'd be interesting to get a look at your idea of perfection.)

even more, I'm going to a lecture right now
have slept 1.5h :(

The choices are too narrow and too rigid to be considered a solution for an "ideal world". Plus it does not address the real problem within the nature of man, which is human pride. You should expand the choices.

be this an ideal world, there would be ideal options
but because it is not, then you'll have to be enough with the ones provided

Hm. You could have included some of the other religions that are practiced in the world.... And also specify the kinds of Christianity.

But no, really, which religion do you think would make the world better? And, why can't it be a mix of things?

I don't think that religions can make world a better place, not at all
I want to know what the inhabitants of the religion forum think

Ghm. What is perfection, in your mind? What's a perfect world?

when any person's desires don't cross anyone's else desires and everybody is able to fulfill their desires
about the last part... I belive we slightly touched this while discussing what would a god be, thus it appears that everyone should be gods

anyways - hard to achieve

But some people want to make other people unhappy. How do you change that?

kill them :D

okok ->
that would be crossing of desires, because I assume that those target people would desire to live
which leads to request that in a ideal world such people (who want ot harm others) wouldn't exist

People are social animals, they are bound to express their desires to each other and to desire things upon others. How do you put everyone into a bubble?

Other than that, I cast my vote for your religion.

my religion?
my dear belijvolk, I have no religion

How do you put everyone into a bubble?
hmmm duno
somathi maybe, but that would leave this world emtpy
duno, humans need to be changed

No, no, dear Sir, I meant the idea of everyone being god. See, I like worship.

Well, how do you change humans, in general? Is it a physical or a mental change that we speak of?

both
and that change I'll leave to evolution

A mental change occurs either through philosophy or religion. Pick one.

Just out of curiosity, what physical change? Addition/loss of body part (elaborate more)? Screw evolution, fanthasize.

philosophy
...

body: a physical change so people could be gods ;) i.e. live till they want to die
be young till they want to be young
a total control over a body

Then, what kind of role will religion play in your perfect world?

there would be no organised religion :)
because it is a crowd control tool

Well, dont rush to say that. Religion is a set of morals for self-conduct (which we don't follow, but that's another story) and answers for questions about death and such. I see that a god does not need such questions answered. But "love thy neighbor" is what, in your society, could stop one god from wishing death upon another. Or, having no desires at all will lead to happiness, and here you again eliminate harmful interaction. Rethinking?

See, gods or not, we're still a large amt. of people on a small plannet (a crowd.)

Which leads back to the basic problem why this world is not an ideal world. Man has to change with his dealings with other men. The "Golden Rule" still applies no matter what the person believes. But it is not one of the choices in this poll. Expand the choices.

The universe was perfect before life came and there was no perspective. Worlds could collide, stars could explode, and the whole universe could crumble to dust but that would be ok as there was no thought. It was a perfect jewel. Sterile but perfect.

After life evolved things became complex and full of painful choice. Should anything do anything something would be sure to suffer from it. Just to survive you must kill something, condemn something else to starvation, and displace something else. But you still have to go on.

That isn't to say I would put the universe back the way it was. Once we went through that there was no going back. It would be an infinitely greater crime to stop everything than to continue. A good thing is rarely perfect.