Whenever I go looking for any information all I come up with are fad diets, nutritional facts and "what's your ideal weight?".

Does anyone know of any sites, books, articles on the subject for the ideal nutritional diet for a human being, specifically female? Or it could be discussed here...I'm just trying to learn how to take care of myself.

This is the best I've come across:
http://www.nutritionj.com/content/3/1/19

The jist of it is.. plenty of vegetables (especially green leafy), nuts, fruits, fish oils, no red meat, occasional poultry.

I'm no expert, but I think a balanced diet is the main thing. That means you ought to eat green stuff - vegetables, salads etc. Meat is optional. All things in moderation. Eat junk food only occasionally (maybe once a week, max.).

And don't forget to get some exercise, too. A half-hour walk every day is better than nothing.

Be carefull as a vegetarian. I never cared taking supplements (like B12) and became really sick because of that (I'm a vegetarian since childhood).

A full diet of course contains the necessarry proteins, vitamines and fats.

One of the most important things we all lack since this century are Omega-3 fats. This is due to our methods of agriculture (less omega3 in wheat), the kind of meat we eat (less omega 3) and the kinds of fat fish (a lot of it is not from the oceans but is grown in bassins which lowers the omega3 fats in the fish as there is no plankton in their diet).

On the other hand, we have too much omega 6 fats, as they are abundant in oils and other resources. This causes our bodies to respond to quickly with infecteous reactions. The ratio of omega3 - omega6 in our body should be 1:
1. Many people have something like 30:1

The results are not only on a physical level (increase of allergetic reactions and infectious cause diseases) but also on a psychological one (omega3 makes up brain cell membranes for a big part): depression, ADHD, etc. are modern "diseases" that are strongly related to the decrease of this fat in our daily diet.

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/p981222.html

Fruit is also very important. 2 pieces of fruit each day should lower your chances for developping any cancer for 50%.

Milk - and especially pasteurised milk - is not required in your diet. This is a common misconception. Only fresh milk contains something your body can use - and still, it's not much. Once it has been pasteurised, it's even worse, as all the usefull stuff is destroyed due to the heat. Too much milk even causes osteoporosis!

Cheese is healthy and contains good vitamines. It has even been shown that it prevents sclerosis from developping.

Take vitamine supplements every day. Our fruits and vegetables are of poor quality in general. They no longer contain all the things we need. We all lead artificial lives now, so taking the necessarry supplement each day are not a stupid thing to do. The thing is that you have to take GOOD supplements - you can compare the quality between them like the quality of recreational drugs.
For example: If you take Omega3 fats from fish oil (which is recommended for everyone - vegetarian or not) be sure to take those who have filtered heavy metals from the oil.
Synthetic vitamine capsules are usually quite poor. Your body doesn't recognise the configuration, most vitamines will not be taken in your blood. It is much better to take a thing like Spirulina - the vitamines are bound in organic molecules.
If you're a vegetarian: Take B12 vitamines everyday. I take it seperately because I had a huge short in this due to several reasons (18 years of vegetarism, helicobacter pylori, tyroid gland which works to slow (btw, that's also something that causes many problems people are suffering from).

please dont ONLY think of our diet but also how you get your food. try and buy organic foods as tese have more goodness, and no pesticides on them ...also seek out Fair Trade foods as tis contributes to non-exploitation of growers

avoid too much salt, all sugar, and bad fats......research on tis. sugar--the actual substance we are familiar with is total non-food. it is crap and sucks OUT nutrients from your system......but also avoid substitute sweeteners, espsh 'aspartame'..etc!!

you will maybe surpised how 'spoilt' youpallete has become in decadent modern living. forexamplecheckout how te fkers add sugar to eve fruits etc that dont need it. you will puke when u give up sugar and taste one of their vile concoctions!

checkout this food. accordin to one ofthe top nutritionists patrick holford, it is one of THE mpst all-goodness foods. it is called QUINOA. is like this pulse food you just cook like rice. very very easy. 15 mins and you add to all kinds of foods

good advice here about omega fats, the balance of them. i have a blanced oil of them every morning with cod liver oil. the latter is good for oiling joints and helping to prevent arthritis

try and get used to actually cookin food. to chopping and spending time to do fresh food.

stick wid us kid and yer cheeks 'll be glowin

I eat what is considered by experts to be a good diet, take vitamins etc. but did not know about the omega 3 to 6 ratio importance prior to visiting this thread. For several years only Canola and much less (because of cost olive oil) have been used. Canola is rich in omega 3 (1gm / 15gms) but I have no infromation on the omega 6 content. Dose any one know its omega 6 content?

Also what is the latest thinking on saw palmetta? Does it do any good or is the idea it helps prevent prostate cancer just wishful myth?

Daily I take:
General 100% MDR multi-vitamin with minerals
0.5gm Vitamin C
1gm Calcium (I also eat the soft ends of chicken bones and small fish bones)
seven different B vitamins in one "B complex" pill (each at least 250% of MDR).
On alternate days 400IU of vitamin E or 50mcg of Selenium
and a couple of time /per week, 80 mg of "standardized" saw palmetta extract.

In Brazil there are many more different vegetables and fresh fruits (cheap too) than in USA and about six different ones are in lunch and dinner each. Thus, I strongly suspect that I am wasting my money on the above vitamins, but so little is known for sure that I take them anyway.

Breakfast is always one banana, micro waved one minute, then massed up with raw whole oats mixed in plus one piece of bread, usually a "whole wheat" or "multigrain" type that has been saturated with Canola oil. Plus two cups of coffee.

Red meat about twice each month, ocean fish almost daily, but never large ones like tuna as I know mercury concentrates about an order of magnitude each step up the food chain and assume other heavy metals do also.

I have extreme views about sugar - it is a poison. Mankind evolved a fine tuned insulin response system to the sugars that can slowly come from carbohydrates. Sugar was essentially unknown, and more expensive than gold 400 years ago. (Nothing in evolutionary history) Eating half a pound of sugar daily as most Americans do (unknowingly) is like playing the fine-tuned "insulin piano" evolution has given man with a sledgehammer! It shoots way up in response to sudden abnormal blood-sugar levels, which then crash and leave excess insulin in the system etc. We were not designed for this.

Hi...aint got time t fully read what you sent but did first bit. i was put completely off using a microwave several years back after reading 'Dr Mercola'.....was a mindfuk

maybe ill just drink more water...

it feels like everything i put into my mouth is bad for me in some way...
isnt there some way to avoid it all?
move to italy? something?

please dont ONLY think of our diet but also how you get your food. try and buy organic foods as tese have more goodness, and no pesticides on them ...also seek out Fair Trade foods as tis contributes to non-exploitation of growers

avoid too much salt, all sugar, and bad fats......research on tis. sugar--the actual substance we are familiar with is total non-food. it is crap and sucks OUT nutrients from your system......but also avoid substitute sweeteners, espsh 'aspartame'..etc!!

you will maybe surpised how 'spoilt' youpallete has become in decadent modern living. forexamplecheckout how te fkers add sugar to eve fruits etc that dont need it. you will puke when u give up sugar and taste one of their vile concoctions!

I had soda for the first time a few weeks ago, after not tasting any for over a year. I couldn't belive how awful it tasted, or that I used to drink a can (or more!) a day.

[QUOTE]checkout this food. accordin to one ofthe top nutritionists patrick holford, it is one of THE mpst all-goodness foods. it is called QUINOA. is like this pulse food you just cook like rice. very very easy. 15 mins and you add to all kinds of foods[?QUOTE]

THis is a really easy recipe that uses quinoa. It's one of my favourite ways to cook it. Depending on where you live/shop, though, it can be kind of pricey.

http://vegetarian.allrecipes.com/az/QuinoaPilaf.asp

Organic linseed oil is akin to fish oil and full of Omega 3, but a mor palateble way of taking it, is by eating organically grown linseeds every day. My daily breakfast consists of half a cup of mixed seeds, linseeds, pumpkin and sunflower seeds (which all contain nutrients and minerals that we may lack in our normal diets) and a couple of figs when they're in season, or some other fruit when they're not.

I lightly toast my seeds in the oven for 10 minutes and then I add some home made garam masala and a little chili powder for a funky flavour; I make a jar, which lasts me about 10 days.

A few years ago, I got into D'Addamo's Eat Right for your Blood Type diet and although I felt great when I did it, I lost far too much weight, which is not a bad thing, but considering that I wasn't overweight when I began it and that I'm only 5' 5" with a bald head, after losing a further 6 kilos from my normal weight, I resembled an alien or a cancer victim.

Now that I eat normal food and drink half a bottle of red wine a day, I have gained weight and look much better for it, but I can't get into most of my damn' trousers. Never mind, at least it's given me an incentive to start going to gym; I'm not losing weight but the extra fat is turning to muscle.

Raw natural food. We're creatures, like animals, so we should eat like them, like nature intended... maybe.

Some do opt for an all raw diet, citing it as the healthiest; personally, I couldn't and IMO I don't think our systems could cope with the parasites and viri in raw meat and eggs.

Raw natural food. We're creatures, like animals, so we should eat like them, like nature intended... maybe.

Untrue. Heat will cause the cell membranes of vegetables to break up, releasing vitamines etc. If you eat only raw vegetables, you will not have a complete diet.

In certain Buddhist traditions, monks are forbidden from eating raw food. It is said to stir up fire in the belly..

Either way, raw vegetables help with your enzymes.. so it's good to eat a few.
Steamed is probably best though.

I don't think our systems could cope with the parasites and viri in raw meat and eggs.

The Inuit people have eaten raw meat for thousands of years. It's a matter of developing a stomach from a young age which can cope.

Some do opt for an all raw diet, citing it as the healthiest; personally, I couldn't and IMO I don't think our systems could cope with the parasites and viri in raw meat and eggs.

Meat is not needed, it is better without it. Our systems have become weak because we have not eaten naturally. Steaming food means to release vitamins. The food becomes dead. Food made in a frying pan is toxic. Smoke is not healthy, especially if you eat it.

If it was meant for us to use fire in our food, the food would be in fire naturally. Our bodies were designed to eat raw food. You become what you eat.

Untrue. Heat will cause the cell membranes of vegetables to break up, releasing vitamines etc. If you eat only raw vegetables, you will not have a complete diet.

Untrue. The vitamines are not supposed to be released.

If it was meant for us to use fire in our food, the food would be in fire naturally.

This is beyond stupid. We've been using fire for a million years, and suddenly, it's unnatural?

Untrue. The vitamines are not supposed to be released.

If you counter an argument, you must provide some logic.

This is beyond stupid. We've been using fire for a million years, and suddenly, it's unnatural?

No, it was unnatural since the beginning!

If you counter an argument, you must provide some logic.

You're so funny. If vitamines are released, then there's no longer so much vitamines in the vegetables, hence they're not so healthy as before.

Vitamins are destroyed by heat.

so you dont overheat....end of problem. if you wanna eat raw food its up to theprson. many dont. so its no point goin on about it. better to recommend getting as fresh organic foods as you can. store it well outt of light, ad not for too long, dont cut veg until really necessary as that releases vitamins--Holford recommends cooking whole and slicing, choppin after cookin, and then dont over heat too much when cooking.....yuummmmmy yummmy. gotta eat. see yas later

Fruit is also very important. 2 pieces of fruit each day should lower your chances for developping any cancer for 50%.

Milk - and especially pasteurised milk - is not required in your diet. This is a common misconception. Only fresh milk contains something your body can use - and still, it's not much. Once it has been pasteurised, it's even worse, as all the usefull stuff is destroyed due to the heat. Too much milk even causes osteoporosis!

Cheese is healthy and contains good vitamines. It has even been shown that it prevents sclerosis from developping.

Take vitamine supplements every day. Our fruits and vegetables are of poor quality in general. They no longer contain all the things we need. We all lead artificial lives now, so taking the necessarry supplement each day are not a stupid thing to do. The thing is that you have to take GOOD supplements - you can compare the quality between them like the quality of recreational drugs.
For example: If you take Omega3 fats from fish oil (which is recommended for everyone - vegetarian or not) be sure to take those who have filtered heavy metals from the oil.
Synthetic vitamine capsules are usually quite poor. Your body doesn't recognise the configuration, most vitamines will not be taken in your blood. It is much better to take a thing like Spirulina - the vitamines are bound in organic molecules.
If you're a vegetarian: Take B12 vitamines everyday. I take it seperately because I had a huge short in this due to several reasons (18 years of vegetarism, helicobacter pylori, tyroid gland which works to slow (btw, that's also something that causes many problems people are suffering from).

Could you please cite your sources for this? I'm not planning to contradict, I want to have some articles to share with my buddies.

----Further Questions----

I've been told by many guys (who do bodybuilding as a hobby) that meat is necessary to grow muscle. Is that true? My gym teacher said that that's what bread is for.

I also know that some sugar is necessary for energy and if it is completely cut out of the diet then the metabolism may slow down. But it's not the sugar that's sold separately or added to candy. In what food do you find the sugar you need?

...meat is necessary to grow muscle. Is that true?...Sure it is - Ask any half-ton, grass-eating bull. :cool:

So why do bodybuilders stress over protein?

Because muscle is made of protein, and to build/maintain unnaturally large muscle mass you must consume LOTS of protein.

That and cows how multiple stomachs for digesting the protein in grass.

....cows how multiple stomachs for digesting the protein in grass.Xeres is correct, but I want to elaborate a little, especially as I mentioned in another thread, that some artic tribes eat rabbit droppings when they are lucky enough to find them in the snow.

Nature has invented three basically different solutions to the digesting grass problem:
(1)Be big with long gut with long transit time. - elephant, giraffe, hippo etc.
(2)Store internally, regurgitate, chew some more, store some more etc. Cows, deer etc. (moderate size herbivores.)
(3)Store externally after first pass thru short gut (eat it several times) Mainly rabbits and some other small grass eaters that need to move fast to avoid being someone else's dinner.

(4) Coming attractions: man with enzymatic processing in factories to feed an expanding global population - My prediction.

Could you please cite your sources for this? I'm not planning to contradict, I want to have some articles to share with my buddies.

----Further Questions----

I've been told by many guys (who do bodybuilding as a hobby) that meat is necessary to grow muscle. Is that true? My gym teacher said that that's what bread is for.

I also know that some sugar is necessary for energy and if it is completely cut out of the diet then the metabolism may slow down. But it's not the sugar that's sold separately or added to candy. In what food do you find the sugar you need?

you need to research about blood sugar levels . forexample, say you have porridge oats for breakfast. well the natrual sugr content release gives you much more energy than a 'shot' of sugar from artifical means. ie., such gives yo a buzz and then your blood sugar level pluumets and you feel low

sugar --that white procesed sugar, etc is a drug. it is horrible. do a google on it in comparison wit 'heroin' and you'll find same process of refinement!.....

what you need to do is give UP that kind of sugar. if you have kids put your foot down for teir own good and replace wit natural sugars from fruit and othe forms of food. it's not hard to research about......you will find you have witdrawal symptoms if and when you give up refined sugar, but dont worry. all that means is that you'dhad a spoilt palete. soon you will be eating more fruit nd your natrual taste for good foods will return

checkout just how many refined products add lodas of sugar /all differnt kinds, and alsts and fats. this is to satisfy the decadent gobs of our times. fuc wid all that. lets put the evil bastards outta business...startn NOW!!!!!!tell yer friends

Whitewolf,
Protein forms essential aspect of nutrition for repair,regeneration and further growth of all parts of body, including muscles.

When you work out like i do ( 1 hr and 30 minutes of cardio) and then free weights (6 days a week). every day, your body will need more protein than ever.The reason for tht is simple :

Body burns fat only untill an hour of cardio, after tht, free weights or whatever starts getting used by body as fuel, so result is tht body looses muscles instead of gaining. Tht fat was burned but muscles were burned too. So your weight dips in weeks to loads of levels when you dont eat right proteins. proteins are essential for hard working body builder. We have several phases in building, the loading phase would require 1.5x the body weight protein every day, for me thts a lot to eat, so i just maintain my weight, although i limit cardio to an hour (i try to, but i just cannot resist running hard :D).

Protein supplements are good option,since they are fast and easy. But remember,they are supplements, they are not meant to be meal replacements,so eating your meals is ideal.

It seems tht people are unable to understand dieting and metabolism. I know most of technical and scientific stuff about this, what is Basal Metabolic Rate, THermic effect, physical activities etc on calorie burning and daily intake. Balance diet is OK, but times have changed; in this life where fats are hated, despite the fact tht 1g of fat=9 Cals, which is more than all other nutrients.
If you wanna know more just drop in a message at my AIM ID: xxfmulderxx...(I am too lazy to start another sticky thread here,blv me i can write more than wht i wrote in UFO section without any hesitation :D)
Later,
Rick

...Protein forms essential aspect of nutrition for repair,regeneration and further growth of all parts of body, including muscles....Rick, you seem to be into this stuff big time, so perhaps you can help me.
Acouple of days ago I read:
www.news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4502862.stm

The essence of which is that leucine helps old folks, like me avoid the normal wasting away of muscle. Good discussion, two different universities, published results in J. of Physiology etc. so I believe this true.

I am not as physically active as I should be, but swim at least once per week and average at least one other day per week building a house by myself. (Mixing 6 or 7 wheel barrels of concrete is not light work or lifting cinder blocks etc.) but despite this am definitely weaker than I was 10 years ago.

So I immediately went to a health food store and bought 60 pills* for only about $13US containing 2.36g of BCAA aminoacids as follows (Portuguese names):
Valina: 0.694g
Isoleucina: 0.694g (yes, same number not copy error)
Leucina: 0.972g
Vitamina B6: 2mg

I take other vitamins & antioxidants as listed in my post of 7 Dec a few pages back.

MY questions are:
What is difference between:
BCAA amino acid and simple amino acids?
Isoleucina and Leucina?
What is likely reason Valina was included in this mix?
Is the amino acid mix in fish and chicken significantly different from beef and other red meats? (I rarely eat the red meats, but the authors do say only "meat" not "red meat" is needed by the older population.)
I am toying with idea of adding a fourth meal per day as authors say: "Straight after a meal, the rate of syntheses {of muscle} doubles prompted by the arrival of large amount of amino acids." What do you think of this idea? Perhaps I just take my new pill when going to bed as a new shot of what seems to be the important amino acid?
Also from article:
"..in older animals...the amino acid stimulus prompting synthesis is less effective ... however the breakdown of proteins is not, leaving older animals with less protein than their younger counterparts."
And:
"But when...boosted levels of ...leucine, the balance of synthesis and breakdown was restored."
(The research used 8 vs. 22 month old rats.)
Thanks for any information you (or others reading can give)
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*A lot of the stuff in the store is imported from US, but these pills appear to be Brazilian made (almost all of label is in Portuguese and so stated in fine print (www.nutrilatina.com.BR, for questions) but there is "Growth factor Formula" repeated in English as narrow band at top and bottom - (probably just to imply it is imported for those who do not read the fine print.) They call the product "AGE" also and plaster the word "NEW" on the label also - I am impressed with the company. The paper's authors appear to be claiming new results etc. (Brazil does have some first class research ability in biology, making the cover of Science last year, etc.)

If you know of essentially same product in US and its cost, tell me as I will be in US before my 60 pills, taken one per day, are gone.
Should I take more than one per day? (Paper did not give dose used relative to body weight.)
My opinion is that, if there is no contamination by others things, any quantity of amino acids cannot hurt you, except by wasting your money, if in excess of what you can use. - Your view too?

Billy T,

I recently read a whole article concerning proteins, too bad that it is written in Dutch (http://www.vegetarisme.be/php/eiwitten.html?menu=&s=1&ss=2&sss=1).

However, the thing is that we usually have too many proteins in our diet. And this is not a good thing. They built up our body, but when you have too much your body will use them as fuel. This has bad effects. Also, our body is able to produce most amino acids out of most proteins, without we having to take in proteins from different sources. Lastly, the discuss that proteins of vegetal origin have even advantages over those from meat.

I think vitamine supplements and fats (omega3) are far more important to complete your diet. With the little exercise or sports you do, I don't think there is any need to take in protein supplements. Other sources of all the good stuff you need (anti oxidants etc) are seeds (quinoa, pumpkin seeds, sesame seeds, etc).

....However, the thing is that we usually have too many proteins in our diet. And this is not a good thing. They built up our body, but when you have too much your body will use them as fuel. This has bad effects. Also, our body is able to produce most amino acids out of most proteins, without we having to take in proteins from different sources. Lastly, the discuss that proteins of vegetal origin have even advantages over those from meat...I know a diet of mainly proteins stresses some organs, but do not know why amino acids from vegetables would be any different than same amino acids from meat. - meat has a lot of bad fats, but that is another point. Can you tell a little as to why you think they are better?

BTW -I was not able to go to your web reference. I can´t read dutch but thought might be able to understand some graphs and tables etc. I had a Dutch friend who liked to say: "Dutch is not a language, it is a throat disease." but I guess you have heard that already. ;)

As was stated, a balanced diet and no overeating or over drinking of alcoholic beverages. Eat what you like just don't go overboard.

I think the worlds most perfect foods are whole wheat bread, potatoes, par-boiled rice (converted rice), pasta, rolled oats and fish.

Chinese style stir frys on a bed of rice are also excellent for combining different vegetables and flavours.

I have researched this stuff for over a period of month now. I can boastfully say that i know a thing or two about this stuff. Drop in an IM over xxfmulderxx on AIM.

Later
Rick

I have researched this stuff for over a period of month now. I can boastfully say that i know a thing or two about this stuff. Drop in an IM over xxfmulderxx on AIM. Later RickI do not have IM or even know what AIM is. Why not try to answer here my questions of 13 dec post?

I know a diet of mainly proteins stresses some organs, but do not know why amino acids from vegetables would be any different than same amino acids from meat. - meat has a lot of bad fats, but that is another point. Can you tell a little as to why you think they are better?

This is what they say in the article on that subject:

Dierlijke eiwitten
In normale omstandigheden wordt 98 % van de eiwitten die we via onze voeding opnemen, goed verteerd. Dit betekent dat de eiwitten worden afgebroken in aminozuren, hun kleinste bestanddelen. Stukjes van een volledig eiwit kunnen echter worden "ingeslikt" door cellen die het darmkanaal afdekken (dit proces wordt “pinocytose” genoemd). Eens die stukjes proteïne beginnen te circuleren, kunnen zij de vorming van antilichamen in gang zetten.
EAZ-sequenties van verschillende eiwitten, zoals myoglobine, collageen, immunoglobulines en hemoglobine van verschillende diersoorten, lijken sterk op de sequenties bij mensen. Aangezien ze gelijkaardig maar niet identiek zijn, is de kans groter dat ze de productie van antigenen tegen onze eigen eiwitten uitlokken. Het zal dan ook geen verbazing wekken dat koemelk wordt geassocieerd met een hele lijst van kinderziekten. Hoewel sommige plantaardige eiwitten allergieën in de hand kunnen werken (bijv. hooikoorts of glutenallergie), treedt er geen gevaarlijke immunologische reactie op tussen de antilichamen die hierbij worden geproduceerd en onze eigen lichaamseiwitten. Antilichamen die tegen dierlijke eiwitten gevormd worden, zullen echter wel verkeerd reageren. Deze theorie is voortgesproten uit het onderzoek naar de ontwikkeling van auto-immune ziekten.
Om een voorbeeld te geven: 90 % van de patiënten die aan insuline-afhankelijke suikerziekte lijden, hebben antilichamen tegen cellen die deel uitmaken van de Eilandjes van Langerhans in de pancreas (die het hormoon insuline produceren). Een recente studie heeft uitgewezen dat er antilichamen tegen runderserumalbumine aanwezig waren in alle 142 patiënten bij wie onlangs een diagnose voor insuline-afhankelijke suikerziekte gesteld was.

The EZA sequences of animal origine look more like ours than those of plants, they say. This would cause more chance for the formation of antigens against our own proteins (and immunity problems as a result)


[/QUOTE]BTW -I was not able to go to your web reference. I can´t read dutch but thought might be able to understand some graphs and tables etc. I had a Dutch friend who liked to say: "Dutch is not a language, it is a throat disease." but I guess you have heard that already. ;)[/QUOTE]

Yes. So I am very ill. Have pitty :D

Ideal human nutrition: other humans.

...The EZA sequences of animal origine look more like ours than those of plants, they say. This would cause more chance for the formation of antigens against our own proteins (and immunity problems as a result)...I do not know what EZA sequences are, but even so this does not make much sense to me. It is my understanding that before any protein can be absorbed thru walls of the intestine, it must be broken down to the amino acids. Thus the sequence of them is lost as is the protein structure before they enter the body. (I consider humans indistinguishable from donuts, from a topology point of view. - That is, the stuff in the intestines is not really inside the body.)

Furthermore, I have heard several good reasons for a vegetarian diet, but avoiding immune system problems is a new (and not very creditable) one for me.
In addition to which almost all you my immune system reactions have been to vegetable proteins (Hay fever problems) not animal proteins, with the exception that I was once a victim of a cheap pillow stuffed with chicken feathers and possibly a few cats*. Nothing to due with meat even comes close to poison ivy!
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*No the cats were not in the pillow, but this is such a nice example of bad sentence constuction, that I did not correct it. ;)

I do not know what EZA sequences are, but even so this does not make much sense to me. It is my understanding that before any protein can be absorbed thru walls of the intestine, it must be broken down to the amino acids. Thus the sequence of them is lost as is the protein structure before they enter the body. (I consider humans indistinguishable from donuts, from a topology point of view. - That is, the stuff in the intestines is not really inside the body.)

Furthermore, I have heard several good reasons for a vegetarian diet, but avoiding immune system problems is a new (and not very creditable) one for me.
In addition to which almost all you my immune system reactions have been to vegetable proteins (Hay fever problems) not animal proteins, with the exception that I was once a victim of a cheap pillow stuffed with chicken feathers and possibly a few cats*. Nothing to due with meat even comes close to poison ivy!
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*No the cats were not in the pillow, but this is such a nice example of bad sentence constuction, that I did not correct it. ;)


I don't know about these EZA sequences. I haven't found anything about this on the web. My only guess is that it could be within the amino acids. Anyone here knows anything on this?

in the article they give the example of a study on diabetics: all 142 people diagnosed with the disease had antibodies against serumalbumine of bovines.
They also say that 90% of diabetics have antibodies against cells that are part of the pancreas (part called isles of Langerhans? don't know the term in english). I'm not sure what they mean by this - is it related to a diet of meat?

Om een voorbeeld te geven: 90 % van de patiënten die aan insuline-afhankelijke suikerziekte lijden, hebben antilichamen tegen cellen die deel uitmaken van de Eilandjes van Langerhans in de pancreas (die het hormoon insuline produceren). Een recente studie heeft uitgewezen dat er antilichamen tegen runderserumalbumine aanwezig waren in alle 142 patiënten bij wie onlangs een diagnose voor insuline-afhankelijke suikerziekte gesteld was.

...They also say that 90% of diabetics have antibodies against cells that are part of the pancreas (part called isles of Langerhans? don't know the term in english). I'm not sure what they mean by this - is it related to a diet of meat?I doubt it is related to meat consumption. They are also called "Isles of Langerhan." Most people think insuland is produced by the Pancreas. It is not. It is produced by the Isles of Langerhan, which happen to be in the Pancreas. If you have anti-bodies against Isles of Langerhan, then you no doubt are diabetic.

About 10 or 15 years ago, I read some exciting news about Isles of Langerhan being extracted and injected to a artery feeding the kidney. They got stuck in fine capillaries inside the kidney and seem to do OK there. - I do not recall the source of the donor Isles of Langerhan. Have not heard more about this. At time it seemed a very promising approach to CURING, not just treating, diabetics. Any one know more about this? What went wrong?