NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE, JUST WANT TO HERE YALL FIGHT IT OUT.


actualy, wouldn't be cool if he was and the aliens made us and they've been loking in on us like we're all one really long science experment

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[This message has been edited by Dude (edited January 21, 2000).]

You may very well have just pulled that one straight out of your ass, but you know what? The scenario that you are postulating is EXACTLY the story that aliens are telling abductees or channeling through them. They are not God though, they are fallen angels directed by Satan himself. Trying to take God's place. That's their mission ya know? What a clever way to propagate the end times deception. Sorry Satan, but God told all of us about this ahead of time, you know, in the Bible. :(

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"ET phone home!"
"Uh, hello Satan?"
"Hey, your plan worked great! They all think I'm cute!"

Lori, are you saying I pulled my computer out of my ass??????


Dude

Duuuuuuuuude,

You are so funny.

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"ET phone home!"
"Uh, hello Satan?"
"Hey, your plan worked great! They all think I'm cute!"

I know I am, oh and thanks for the complement.

DUDE WAS HERE

Lori,

What is your prof???

God is not an alien. Aliens are not Gods. ET was not sent by Satan. We aren't going to hell in a handbasket.

I believe in extraterrestrial intelligence. I don't believe it created us, evolved us, or whatever. I believe that we are to them what a lion was to the Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom field crew. We are zoological specimens. When we finally encounter life on another planet, we're going to treat it the same way. It's the nature of the curious.

If I ever do meet god, I'm going to dissect him or else use an anal probe on him. I'm not holding my breath, though.

Well, if you think of God in the sense that God dwells in dimensions other than those that we are familiar with, and that God has powers which we cannot even begin to imagine, then yes, you could consider God "alien" to some degree.

If you are speaking in terms of those little green and gray people, then, the answer is a resounding, NOOOOO!!!!

I have met aliens and I have met God. Believe me, they are not one in the same.

[This message has been edited by truestory (edited December 10, 1999).]

You met GOD??????????????????????????????????
Please tell us all about him.
No critism intended as usual, just want to know all about God.


Dude

I think that the God of the bible was an alien. This has nothing to do with the true God.

My prof? There is none. I'm making the assumption that every single alien abductee out there telling their story is not lying. I mean sure, there have got to be some that are lying, but if I had a nickel for every time I heard the above scenario from abductee testimony, I could quit my job and write a book. I'm actually good friends with an abductee. She tells me what they say, and I compare it to what the Bible says, and then of course freak out because it jives with revelations prophecy regarding end times events. She thinks I'm full of shit. The whole reason they picked her is because she has a real bad taste for Christianity in the first place. Same as lots of people. Judgement overload from organized religion. Her aliens actually compared Jesus with Jim Jones (the cool aid guy) as an analogy of how He got so screwed up in the head to think that He was the Son of God. Scary huh? I think so. They also told her about the genetic re-engineering thing which I think is the mark of the beast. And they told her that there will be people (like myself) who will be too close-minded to participate in the re-engineering (they will refuse because they are Christians and know better), so they are going to take us away to another 3rd dimensional planet prior to the dimensional shift of this planet, to finish out our evolution (hint, hint, this is the cover up of the rapture of the church). Now do you see where I'm coming from? If you listen to this stuff, and then go and read Revelations in the Bible, you can't deny that it's spooky and totally feasible.

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"ET phone home!"
"Uh, hello Satan?"
"Hey, your plan worked great! They all think I'm cute!"

(ouch this is going to hurt..)

Lori---------
I'm making the assumption that every single alien abductee out there telling their story is not lying
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There are abudcties that claim the Aliens are from our future.. There are abductee's that claim the aliens are from mars.. There are abducties that claim aliens are from a different earth dimension.. there are abducties that claim Aliens are Reptiles.. there are Abducties that claim aliens are grey there are abudcties that claim aliens are "Light Beings" there are abducties that claim aliens are here to destroy us.. There are abducties that claim aliens are here to help us..

Your theory is just one of the many.. and no more valid or than any other

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(Ouch.my.head)
(http://home.golden.net/~midnight/)

And not to mention that any testimony is probably convoluted to all hell with false memories.

The god presented in the bible was not an alien. A lot of people claim this, and use convuluted and misrepresented bible passages to support this. I have read and studied the bible, and there is no evidence of extraterrestrial visitors being god.

Convoluted misrepresentations? I'm not a bible scholar, but in reading the bible, there are some things that just plain stink, or have totally F#%!ing whack premises...for instance, divine conception. sound familiar?

Of course, there is no evidence to support this. there is only implication, which stacks up about as well for God.

Lori,

Curses, you found us out!!!

Now on a more serious note. Now I do see exactly where you are coming from... unfortunately. This would all revolve around the bible being true! People walk around believing that the damned book is true. It is just a book that was not only written an extremely long time ago, but has been rewritten and has had a total of 13 books removed from it by the Vatican. All because the Vatican believed the 13 books were not meant for the general public.

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The Belief that there is only one truth and that oneself is in possession of it
seems to me the depest root of all evil that is in the world
-Max Born

Actually, modern biblical scholars have pointed out that the Virgin mary may not have been a virgin. The word used has two meaning, one young girl (she was 14) and the other means virgin.

And Jmitch: Most of the bible is true. Most of the bible is historical accounts, essays, poems, songs or biographies.

If the bible is "historical acounts" why does it contradict itself every other friggin page?

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DEATHJESTER

"Love your country, but never trust it's government" - Robert A. Heinlein

666,

Yea, and isn't it amazing that given all of that, the message is still CRYSTAL CLEAR??? You're just being obtuse. :)

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"ET phone home!"
"Uh, hello Satan?"
"Hey, your plan worked great! They all think I'm cute!"

Corp. , Now that would definitely clear things up. I hadn't heard of that double meaming. You say "Most of the bible is true". Yes, I couldn't disagree with that. The places and people are undoubtedly real.

The bible does not contradict itself every other page. When looking at the bible, people must realize that it was written by people over thousands of years. So, yeah, some contradictions exist. I bet if you collected the most important historical (or religous) documents of the past 3,000 years, a lot of innacuracies and contradictions would exist.

I am not saying that genesis, the flood, the parting of the reed sea, or any of the other popular tales are historical. But, yes, much of the bible is accounts of the jewish kindom of Israel and the surrounding empires, then later it is accounts of the two, split, jewish kingdoms and the surrounding empires. Many of the kings described in the bible appear to have existed, and in the context they were described in the bible.

Of every contradiction that I have seen reported about the bible, it has always been some type of mis-interpretation. I have seen long conversations on that aspect alone, where many specific contradictions have been laid out, only to be dispelled by someone with a strong theological background. At first, the contradictions seem strong and on the mark. However, after basic interpretation, they are found not to be a contradiction after all.

That's just the bible for ya. It's texts are very open to interpretation. One will see enlightenment, another will see BS. Another will see fairy tales, another will see truth. I guess one could say that whatever you see in the bible, is a reflection of yourself. Much like inkblots, or clouds.

I'm no theologist (not by any stretch of the imagination), but there is indeed deeper meanings in the bible. If one is only able to percieve contradictions, don't expect to see anything else. Is it the communicator's fault (words of the bible) ? Or, is it the perceiver's fault (the reader/interpreter) ?

Oh, and an answer to the question of the thread, is God an alien: No, not if you take the phrase that man was created in His image. If we are truly of His image, then he would not be alien to us. But that all depends on how you interpret alien. I'm going on one of Webster's interpretations of alien: "unlike one's own; strange". That is of course, if God exists, and that he created us of His image.

[This message has been edited by Doood (edited December 12, 1999).]

Doood,
How can you say that? What proof do you have that that phrase is true??? And from eye witness accounts aleins bassikly do look like us, two arms, legs, and eyes. They are around the same height, they have similar mouthes and hands. Besides why would any race just make an exact copy of themselves from scratch. Wouldn't you make a few changes?

From the guy who can critize the strongest ideas.
-Dude

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Llama,

If this were Usenet, I would have kill-filed you a while ago for having been such a waste of time. Don't expect any more answers to your questions from me.

Now that we are on the cusp of the new millenium, technology and science are making leaps and bounds unequalled in the past. The ability to clone and pretty soon when the entire dna structure is mapped, actual genetic manipulation. But for all these things, we still do not have control of the laws of mathematics or physics. They are intangible and eternal; just like the bible says, "Those things which are seen are eternal, and those things which are unseen are temporary." I do believe that the aliens are also creations of God. Why would he make such an incredibly vast universe with so many stars (and apparently planets too) if He wanted only Earth to have life? But I also believe that the Christian religion is correct. I've read the bible cover to cover and parts of it over and over again. There isn't any contradictions from what I've seen.

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There is no such thing as subjective truth.

Doood,
:p Glad I won't hear from you again- now let's test what you said--

#* yours you %a@t$r& --- answer,come on answer, you know you wanna, HAHAHAHA hehehe :D

bah,
Thanks for the great "voice your mind" post man. (no critism ment)



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DUDE IS SATAN

Ok no contradictions huh? Ok here we go:

Old Testiment = Eye for an Eye Tooth for Tooth etc...
New Testiment = Turn the other cheek

Contradiction? Nah *L*

The rainbow after the whole flood the earth thing and Noah's Ark crap was supposed to promise the God would never destory the earth again but if you read Revalations he promises that he will destroy the earth and start over

Hmm... Contradiction? Can't be...

"Through out your life I will walk beside you, but in times of need do not look beside you for me, for I will be carrying you" What the hell is that crap? Fat lot of good that did for Job

Misprint? HAH!!! I spit on thee misprint...

What a load of stinky poo



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DEATHJESTER

"Love your country, but never trust it's government" - Robert A. Heinlein

Yes Deathjester, you're knowledge and understanding of the Bible is a big load of stinky poo. If you're going to argue something, or denounce something, or criticize something, I find that it's best to actually understand what the hell it is you're talking about. You obviously, and don't feel bad cause all kinds of people do this, don't understand jack about the Bible. Maybe it's arrogant of you to assume that you could take a look at a few verses, not seek help in understanding, make a snap judgement, and then open your mouth? Yea, it might be a little arrogant. Maybe I can help you....

First, are you unaware that Jesus was alive in the new testament and not in the old????? Hello? Everything changed when Jesus came!!! There was no CHRISTiantiy before the CHRIST. Before Jesus was born, it was impossible to atone for sin through repentance in Jesus name. In the old test, they had to atone for sin in all kinds of ways that seem crazy to us now. The old testament is Judaism, the new is Christianity. If you didn't know that then by all means, you should be seeking knowledge of the word, not trying to argue it. :)

Also, when God gave us the rainbow after the flood, what He said was that He wouldn't destroy the earth BY FLOOD again.

You really don't understand what Jesus meant by "carrying us" through times of trouble? I find that hard to believe. You really don't know what that means? Well He does carry me through troubled times. You would certainly have to be a spirit-filled Christian to experience this for yourself, but not one to at least give your mind a little stretch and try to understand it. When bad things happen in our lives and we're not saved in Christ, then it is EVERYTHING to us, and affects us in a much worse way, because we have nothing else to look to for hope, understanding, and help. When you are saved in Christ, HE IS EVERYTHING, and the bad things that happen on this earth are not less painful at times, but are easier to withstand because of the love, hope, and understanding that HE gives you. I mean, the way I look at it is, what's the worst that could happen? I die? ROFLMAO!!!!! It's not that the things of this world become less important, but it's definately a new perspective that brings peace to know that the things of this world are not all that we have. I hope this helps. And just some advice...if you're going to reject something, make sure that you understand what it is that you are rejecting exactly. Otherwise you may miss something BIG! If you ever have questions, or things you don't understand about the faith, I would love to try my best to explain them to you. Peace, brotha!



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"ET phone home!"
"Uh, hello Satan?"
"Hey, your plan worked great! They all think I'm cute!"

Bah,

>> There is no such thing as subjective truth.

Unless of course one is omnipotent.

[This message has been edited by Doood (edited December 24, 1999).]

Religion is the greatest crowd control ever

And remember all religions where made by men

And for your information Lori
I have read the bible front to back many times...helps you pass the time in your cell...umm...I mean... small room...yeah

I have read the bible, I have attend sevices for most religions, and I have even made Preachers and Rabbi's cry and leave the church never to be seen again in this area...

I know my fair share of religion. I still think that someday they are going to find a missing page from the bible that belongs at the front and reads to the effect of:

"To my darling wife, You helped more than you can imagine.

All characters and events portraid herein are fiction and any resemblance to any persons, living or dead, is entirely coinsidental"

I would laugh my friggin @$$ off.




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DEATHJESTER

"Love your country, but never trust it's government" - Robert A. Heinlein

Death Jester,
you are a tad more cynical than me but in the main, I tend to agree with your last post.

You're betting your life on the existance of such a lost page? Well, that's very ballsy of you, considering the odds, or the probability of you being correct in your assumption. Which are about 0%. I don't think that you WANT the Bible to be true, but just because it may make things inconvenient for you, doesn't means it's not the truth. Scary huh? It's not really all that bad. It's not bad like you think it would be. You're thinking about giving up all of your vices or sinful acts and how much your boring Christian life is gonna suck, just like I used to, and just like many do. All I can say is that I'm saved now, and I'm still the same person. My perspective has changed, so my resulting behavior changes too, but only because I WANT it to, not because I'm being forced into something that I don't really want. If your perspective and your thinking changes, then your life does too, poof, like magic, that's just the way it works. You're just a being a chicken shit. ;)

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"ET phone home!"
"Uh, hello Satan?"
"Hey, your plan worked great! They all think I'm cute!"

DEATHJESTER,

... I have even made Preachers and Rabbi's cry and leave the church never to be seen again in this area...

Please explain. Thanks.

Deathjester,

>> Religion is the greatest crowd control ever

Actually, at first glance, it is. However, like any organization, that all depends on what the unified thoughts are of the organization.

Just think of all the terrorist groups that are motivated by religion. Well, I guess you could say that blowing people up is a kind of crowd control, but I'm sure that is not the kind you had in mind.

Actually, any organized group (such as a religion) could be very dangerous. This due to the number of paricipants, and the fact that they are all committed to a single plan. An example: Just think of how many protestors there were at the WTO meeting, and how many police there were. Obviously, the amount of protestors 'far' outweighed the number of enforcers. Yet, the police were able to subdue the protestors. How ? Because the enforcers had a unified plan and direction (along with past training), while the protestors just came to protest, and for the most part did not have a unified plan for anything other than to protest in peace (buncha cows waiting to be herded). If that same number of protesters had instead unfified around a plan to purposefully bring down the enforcers, and all were commited to do just that, then there would have been a lot of dead and badly injured cops (massacre), and I'm sure there would be a huge escalation from the government to bring in troops to contain the situation.

The government would rather have everybody as individuals, instead of grouping up in an organization or religion. Just think of all the monitoring the government does on groups of different natures, such as certain kinds of religions. It's because those groups can be very dangerous, depending on what the game plan is.


[This message has been edited by Doood (edited December 26, 1999).]

Doood,

For another perspective on the situation in Seattle, please check out the information on this webpage:

http://www.emperors-clothes.com/analysis/collater.htm

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Searcher,

Nasty stuff. I guess that's what happens when the government cares far more for itself, than its own people. I'm going to edit my previous message to fit this possibility.

[This message has been edited by Doood (edited December 26, 1999).]

It isn't that I don't WANT to do anything.
I just don't give a flying fuck at a rolling donut.

You can even ask my step-brother, he knows me well enough.

...hehehe...



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DEATHJESTER

"Love your country, but never trust it's government" - Robert A. Heinlein

Lori,

First, are you unaware that Jesus was alive in the new testament and not in the old????? Hello? Everything changed when Jesus came!!! There was no CHRISTiantiy before the CHRIST. Before Jesus was born, it was impossible to atone for sin through repentance in Jesus name. In the old test, they had to atone for sin in all kinds of ways that seem crazy to us now. The old testament is Judaism, the new is Christianity. If you didn't know that then by all means, you should be seeking knowledge of the word, not trying to argue it.

Seems like we were given the shaft from the start. Only given crazy and insane ways to atone for our sins. One last thought. Jesus was the son of god, yes? Then Jesus had to come and fix his father's mistakes?

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My life could have been black and white, but I had to color it.

Lori,

Your statement that Jesus wasn't alive in the Old Testament brings to mind an interesting point. There's one thing regarding eternal life that's confusing to me (okay, maybe more than one thing). That is, if one has eternal life, wouldn't that mean there is no beginning or end to that life? And if that is the case, we either have it or we don't, regardless of whether or not we're "saved"? I mean, it doesn't make much sense for God to turn around and say we can't have eternal life because we didn't believe in Jesus. If life has an ending, then it had to have a beginning, too - in which case it wouldn't be eternal anyway. Know what I mean?

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Lori,

First, are you unaware that Jesus was alive in the new testament and not in the old?????

John 1:1-2
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH God, and the Word was God.
He was in the BEGINNING with God.

Now according to the Bible Jesus is the Word.
John 1:14
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

So Jesus has always been around from the beginning, yes? Unless your point is that Jesus the man was not in the OT but rather the NT BECAUSE there are no true facts that
he is the son of God... Just a man..and his delusion... ;)

[This message has been edited by Flash (edited December 27, 1999).]

Hey Lori! We should talk. Bible talk. I'm a fellow Christian with faith ......BUT I have some of my own beliefs about his second coming and the bible and aliens!
What language is the oldest bible on earth written in? I studied this language for the sole purpose of reading it.
This same language was around way before Latin.......which means way before English............??!!

Dear Whammy,
welcome on board, but we're not playing enigma here, :) if you've got something original to say, just say it!
We're all ears...eyes er whatever! http://users.esc.net.au/~nitro/chef_tab.gif



[This message has been edited by tablariddim (edited December 31, 1999).]

Hebrew?

666,

I didn't say that SOME of the OT laws didn't make sense, but that they didn't make sense to me. There's a difference. I'm not THAT smart ya know? I'm sure it's obvious. For the most part, the message that I get, regarding many of the punishments and acts of atonement that are told of in the OT, is that we are very powerful beings. Our intentions and our thoughts and resulting behaviors towards each other, this planet, and to God MATTER more than any of us comprehend, and that seems logical to me. And our sin is much more destructive than we like to believe that it is. That seems right to me. Jesus was the Lamb. The last sacrifice ever needed to atone for sin. The ultimate gift to us from God. Grace, check into it. :)

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"Go Jesus, go! Go Jesus, go!"

I finally get to be the cheerleader that I always wanted to be but could not, as I was not a fluff chick. :)

Flash,

God "manifested" His Word through Jesus Christ.

TS,
According to the bible..that's what happened.

Jesus had a lot of public relations now..didn't he? Example...John the baptist...

Charles Manson was able to convince his group of a lot of things too.

Flash,

PU! Turn down that stench woman! Stinky fruit alert! Stinky fruit alert! *sirens, bells, gas-masks*

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"Go Jesus, go! Go Jesus, go!"

I finally get to be the cheerleader that I always wanted to be but could not, as I was not a fluff chick.

Lori,

Flash,
PU! Turn down that stench woman! Stinky fruit alert! Stinky fruit alert! *sirens, bells, gas-masks*

What can you do? That's what happens when Satan does the "happy dance"... It'll pass!!! :)

Flash,

Jesus had a lot of public relations now..didn't he? Example...John the baptist...

Charles Manson was able to convince his group of a lot of things too.

Talk about someone who has been brain-washed!

Flash, I'm really concerned about what it is that has gotten ahold of you. It is apparently, very deceptive. :(

Do you realize that you are doing the work of the anti-Christ?

Lori,
Isn't it funny when someone disagrees with you that is what you shout!
Admit it...as "stinky" as it may seem to you.. it makes sense. THINK...or is that too hard for you to do...you know..the open-
mind thing...

TS,
Need I remind you again??? This Spirit of Truth is NOT evil- so leave Satan out of it... happy dance??? Please!
Brain-washed?????? How?? Why do you say that??? Because it goes against what CHRISTIANS believe???? Hardly fair.
Perhaps you are the one that has been deceived..think about that.
I'm doing the work of the anti-christ????
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

Have you folks even read the Bible? Think back to those days (if you went) of church. They told you (us) what the biblical meanings were. Now enter the realm of the Bible as an objective researcher. Things will look very different. The "angels" that visited Ezeikl(sp?) were described as having decended from "heaven" in a craft having "wheels within wheels". What do angels need with machinery? By the way the craft described now holds a patient with NASA based on the propellers described on the landing legs (the power source is yet unknown).
In fact most famous is Moses's visit with "angels" that gave him the lord's top ten. When he returned from the top of the mountain his hair had turned white---classic radiation sickness symptom.
You ask if God is an alien. Assuming there is a being that does not use advanced technology to "monitor" us and that lives everywhere at once and creates all things, then yes. God would be the most amazing thing this side of the cosmos.
Realistically, God is a human born concept used throughout the ages to explain that which we do not know. Imagine living in Jesus's day. No phone, no lights, no motor cars.... get it? Anything decending from "heaven" or at least an earth bound orbit would seem as God-like as you could get. If God or his angels tried that crap today they would be chased by migs and F14s, not worshipped.
Above all think of the different crafts that you've seen pictures of over the last few years. Some glow and some are "v" shapped, some are nuclear powered (evidenced by the radiation sickness suffeed by eye witnesses) while others are round or diamond shapped.The differences indicate different races, or species. Some may be benign while others have agendas good and bad.
The point I'm making is that it doesn't matter what we call these ceatures or what we believe God should be defined as. If there is a God, he is not a he or she and God would not be anything we could comprehend or attach human attributes (anger, revenge, etc.)to.
If there are aliens they most certianly have the ability to wipe us out if so desired. All I know is that we're still here and were still screwed up. The only way to impress creatures as advanced as these is to dump oppresive and controlling organized religion and get spiritual instead. Erase the lines that divide our little planet and who knows, one day a small planet of creatures somewhere far far away may write a book and call us gods!!!

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Wolfish13,
try telling that to Lori, Truestory, ISDAman or Bah.
An onslaught is imminent. http://users.esc.net.au/~nitro/chef_tab.gif

TS,

It'll pass? Yea, it will. But possibly with much suffering for some. I have been telling her and warning her for over a year??? Brain-washed? That's one word for it. Cop out? Yea, that might be another. What did I refer to it as Flash? The antichrist laser light show?

Flash,

Ok, I can't believe I'm doing this, but the differences between Jesus and Charles Manson are....(what the bleep is going on here)???!!!

Manson was a delusional lunatic, Jesus was a sinless man of peace, grace, and mercy, who spoke the word of God that heals the whole world.

Manson was a murderer. Jesus healed the sick, brought a dead child back to life even, and oh yea, drove evil spirits out of men. What do you want to bet that if Jesus had gotten ahold of Manson, or was to get ahold of him this very day, that He couldn't heal him too? I just watched that movie "Son of Sam" last night. Good movie. Did you know that Berkowitz is saved? I saw him on some documentary on TV not too long ago. I believe him. Jesus works miracles in people's lives. Oh yea, and Manson did not. And before anyone out there wants to jump at the chance to argue something ridiculous. Do I think that Berkowitz should be "released" now due to his new-found religion? Of course not. So there. He could minister to other prisoners though. Now there's a noble profession. Better than mine. Now that's a bleeping miracle, thank you very much Jesus.

Now listen Flash, we've been through this whole fruity issue before. It's not stinky TO ME, it's just stinky. It's defined that way in the Bible, and with good reason which you blatently choose to ignore, because of the antichrist laser light show. And not only is it defined as rotten, but the existence of such rotten fruit in and of itself is evidence of spiritual deception. Now TS, watch her totally IGNORE what I just said. Can you whip out some back up scripture? Oh well good, because she'll say it was written by man and then misinterpreted by man, all the while the manifestations of that very word of our Lord are RIGHT IN FRONT OF HER FACE. Word for word, to the letter, I've never seen a more powerful witness in my life, and she's totally blind to it.

Am I frustrated? Yes. :) I like you Flash. You're a good person. But you're messing around with the most dangerous thing on earth.

To everyone,

I think Wolfish just did a really great job of witnessing to us the word of God in the Book of Revelations. He just described the religion of the antichrist. What's his name, his number? Why it's the number of man. So thank you Wolfish for witnessing the Word of our Lord for us, and I ask our Father in Jesus name that you seek the truth in His divine word and that He touches your heart and speaks to your soul, and that you are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ, the Lamb, and our Saviour, Amen.

PS - Did you ever wonder where all the hardware was? Hint....there is none. It's all an illusion. It's spiritual in nature; it's a flippin' movie. God doesn't need a vehicle of physical dimention. That's why there's no evidence. If there was a spaceship for every sighting or abduction, or ok let's say for a 10th of them, there would be so much traffic in the sky, they would be colliding in mid-air. I fly all the time, never seen a thing. Do you know why? Because they know it would be a waste of time. I already know who they are. ;)



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"Go Jesus, go! Go Jesus, go!"

I finally get to be the cheerleader that I always wanted to be but could not, as I was not a fluff chick.

Hey Everybody, I have some testimony for you!


I have almosted died three times but something or someone had something else to say about it.

1) I was 16 years old and got a Z-28 Camaro for my B-day. Two weeks later I'm racing down a street chasing one of my friends. I came to a corner (90 degrees) going about 80 mph. For some reason I thought I could take this corner(90 degrees) without slowing down. About 100ft down, on the same side of the street as the corner, was a tree. Probably a 1000 year old tree that got some exercise for the first time in long while.SMASH!!!! When the police arrived I was just standing there thinking of lies to tell my parents. I had a red stuff all over me and the inside of the car. Cops are freaking out, telling me to sit down, and asking me if I'm alright.
I had a red pop in my lap. They immediately assumed it was blood because of the imprint on the windsheild from my head. "Your lucky you had your seat belt on son." I must of heard that 100 times that night from different people. After looking at my skid marks on the road, the Cops said that I was going between 65-70mph when I hit the tree dead on.
I LIED about my seatbelt. Never had it on!!!


2) To make a long story short. I've had a bat broken over my head. The neurologist said that they hit me(amazingly) on hardest part of my skull(my crown). 2 inches higher or lower would have killed upon contact. Instead they cracked my skull and put me hospital for 2 weeks.

3) Just recently, while visiting the beatiful British Virgin Island, I had a gun pointed at me. Nice place to visit yeah?!
NOT!!! :mad:
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So the point i'm trying to make to you'all is that I definatley believe in God. I beileve that God has put each and everything on this planet for a reason, of course, some more important than others. :D


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Just got to have faith...
.........in whatever you believe in!!!

Whammy- Time for me to channel Dana Scully here:

Tale #1) A 100 mile an hour impact into a tree does not in any way guarantee that you are going to die, or even get hurt. While the odds are great, they are not a sure thing. No divine being saved you, only the sheer luck of coming up on the right side of the coin. Write it off to experience and, when or if you become a parent, NEVER give a sports car to a teenager.

Tale #2)The crown of the head is so called because it is the highest point on the skull. The slightly pointed shape of this feature calls for considerably more bone structure because it is the place most likely to get hit. The odds were with you this time, and you can owe this one to simple geometry. The crown is slightly pyramid shaped, and the pyramid is one of the strongest structures known.

Tale #3) Having a gun pointed at you is no indication of divine intervention. Many people get loaded guns pointed at them by desperate people who never pull the trigger. In fact, most people today who use guns in the commission of crimes are so convinced of the power of the presence of a gun that they honestly believe that simply waving it at someone is the best way to intimidate them. The notorious I-5 gang always waved their guns around, but never shot anybody. All they wanted to do was scare the victim into surrendering the goods. What you had was a scary situation that turned out the way most of that nature do. The press never tells you about the shootings that don't happen.

Yes, I've been on the wrong end of a gun. Yes, the person holding the gun had my undivided attention. I kept my hands in sight and made no funny moves. That hammer was back and that bullet was writing my name on itself. Rationale and a calm demeanor saved the day. Things only got better when the gunman turned out to be a plainclothes cop and I had happened to show up at the wrong place at the wrong time. No god involved.

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I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will fight, kill, and die for your right to say it.

Lori,
I was not asking that you compare Jesus with Charles Manson... sorry you went to all that trouble..oops :) What I meant is Charles Manson's great ability to brain-wash his people... What I did ask you to compare was Jim Jones and Jesus. That is a perfect comparison...can you do THAT one for me? If you even attempt to ....I bet you have a hard time trying not to make the two sound alike in many ways. I am not saying they are 100% alike...but pretty dang close!

Also, I am not "messing around" with anything dangerous... I am being receptive to
TRUTH...like it or not! ;)

Oxygen,
Wow... talk about being at the wrong place at the wrong time!! Yikes...

You have many good points here. I too have had experiences where they could have turned out bad. Just a couple of examples...
when I was a teenager I had a knife pulled on me... oh...and also there was some
psycho lady that slipped in a bunch of pills into my coffee that resulted in some bad poop... I lived through both.. no God involved there in my cases either....
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... ;)

[This message has been edited by Flash (edited January 03, 2000).]

Hello to all... have not joined any of the discussions in a long time...so I guess I will just jump in...and start the year on the right foot....
To my point of view I think that Wolfish has explained it very very well. As a matter of fact I was going to post just about the same point of view... so here goes. maybe he was not an alien in the sense that we think of them now... but he sure was not one of "us" in every sense of the word.

On a different note, I hope that all had a great start of the New year, and to all I wish you the best...

Bottica

Bottica,
Hey, welcome back! :)
That's the only way to do it...jump on in.

HA HO All ,

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