IDF kills 17 Palestinians in air raids

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  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Israel Defense Forces troops on Tuesday killed at least 17 Palestinians, including three civilians, in ground and air operations on Gaza City.

    Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas denounced the raids as "a massacre" which would not be forgotten by the Palestinians.

    Of the 17 Palestinians killed, at least 14 were members of armed groups, officials said. One of the other fatalities was a 65-year-old man, they said. Some 45 Palestinians were wounded in the fighting, among them an 8-year-old boy who was seriously hurt, medical officials said.

    Dr. Moaiya Hassanain of the Gaza Health Ministry said many of the dead and wounded lost limbs.

    Because of the high number of casualties, Hassanain questioned whether IDF troops were using tank-fired flechette shells, an anti-personnel weapon that throws out thousands of metal darts

    The IDF had no immediate comment on whether such munitions were used.

    Shifa Hospital put out a radio call for blood donations because of the large number of wounded.

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/944967.html

    And this is after this
    Israel begins construction in E. Jerusalem


    And this
    More Israeli Land theft
     
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  3. Vega Banned Banned

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    Right, I think eveyone is a bit tired of your breaking news stories on Israel...you really don't get out much do you?
     
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  5. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Apparently this is not the first time Israel has used such anti-personnel munitions in civilian areas

    Flechette (with pin for size estimate)

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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    More:


    http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2005/01/worse_than_war__1.html
    http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=22&ItemID=3007
     
  8. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    S.A.M. that boy wasn't hit with Flechette, if you care to notice the wounds are circular in nature, Flechette leave little cross + the fins.

    And if he was hit with that many Flechette he would be dead, they penetrate completely through a body, and with the number of hits in the head, it would be fatal.

    Photo spin.
     
  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    So he was hit with something else, in any case, he was hit.
    Apparently a Jabalya shell

     
  10. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    And what's the problem?
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    You don't see a problem with firing shells and flechettes into civilian neighborhoods?
     
  12. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    That's an 80% success rate, not bad. You have not proven the use of "flechettes".
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    If they kill everyone, it will be a 100% success rate.

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  14. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I am referring to the death of members of "armed groups", not civilians. Don't you think Israel recognizes that the death of civilians is counterproductive? How do you feel about these groups using civilians as human shields?
     
  15. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Armed groups? You mean anyone living in Gaza who does not want to live under occupation? Gee I wonder how many of those live there.

    Hence the flechettes.

    45 wounded, many with lost limbs.

    So how big is Gaza?
     
  16. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    No, just the ones that think killing Israeli civilians will change things.
     
  17. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    You mean like the Israelis who think killing them will change things.

    Gaza strike hardens Hamas position

    Hows that for productive?
     
  18. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    No, it won't change things, but it is self-defense. Catching speeders won't stop speeding, but you still need to do it.
     
  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    That goes for the occupied people too. After all, Israel isn't stopping its expansion any time soon.
     
  20. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Around and around we go. Israel and Palestine can negotiate their borders any time. Israel wants the violence to end first. Do you support the firing of rockets into southern Israel?
     
  21. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Sure they do. Hence the flechettes and indiscriminate violence against civilians

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  22. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Not sure what your point is. Is arresting people equivalent to shooting rockets at civilians? Is targeting the people that shoot rockets the same as killing civilians indiscriminately?
     
  23. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Occupation is wrong. Any occupied people have a right to fight for freedom.
     

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