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Popestar 05-31-07, 10:53 PM i want to pursue a career in studying life of animals..not how they live necessarily, because what i don't want to do is sit in a forest all day studying dears and bears and there habitats (stuff we already now)..i want to study where they came from and there adaptations...i want to discover and study new forms of life such as deep see fish and insects...help research and find stuff we don't know
this is a form of biology I THINK...i would like to know what this kind of field it is called (like ____ biology??) and what kind of courses i should be taking throughout my school year and what i should be trying to learn about and just general pointers for a career in this kind of field...and what the name of a field like this would even be called..
i am a sophomore in high school i have had bad grades and have struggled with drugs before and various other bad situations but have found my way out and want to finally find myself a future in the world. this is really really a huge motivation for my future and i am being very serious when i am posting this
thank you for all of your time in advance.
decantemix 06-01-07, 04:56 AM Wikipedia dot com has a good covering of the topics you're looking for.
Sounds like you're interested in finding new forms of life, yet undiscovered.
This is called field study, which I just found out is called: Taxonomy.
spuriousmonkey 06-01-07, 06:10 AM i want to pursue a career in studying life of animals..not how they live necessarily, because what i don't want to do is sit in a forest all day studying dears and bears and there habitats (stuff we already now)..i want to study where they came from and there adaptations...i want to discover and study new forms of life such as deep see fish and insects...help research and find stuff we don't know
Here are a few disciplines that might peek your interest.
marine biology. However, that is still a very wide topic. This will range from hunting for the giant squid (if you are lucky) to studying the ecology of archaea populations.
Evo-devo. Evolutionary developmental biology. learn about how structures, organs, tissues form and how they evolved.
... what abouth working in a zoo, try to get some profersor job where you're allowed to visit other countries in excange programs for animals and built out a network of ... and nutters (the people who never get their hair cut and generally where sandals). And go in your off time to musea and behind the screens to study the stuff handly already collected on go and let the nutter take you somewhere in the jungle to return with some new sort of skunk.
spuriousmonkey 06-01-07, 06:29 AM Professor jobs are rapidly heading for extinction.
If you want to visit strange locations such as look at lemurs in madagascar ( i know some people who do) then you have to operate at the fringe of science with no job security and not so good funding.
RubiksMaster 06-01-07, 02:27 PM I would suggest taking as many biology classes as you can in high school. This will give you a better sense of which direction to take your education to get into that career field.
You might also get a part time job, or a summer job, at a zoo. I have a friend who did that, and now he's going into bioinformatics. It would certainly help build your resume, and it would look good for any biology job you wanted.
Fraggle Rocker 06-01-07, 03:51 PM I want to pursue a career in studying life of animals..not how they live necessarily, because what I don't want to do is sit in a forest all day studying deer and bears and their habitats (stuff we already know)Biologists don't hang out in forests to study things they already know. They go there to get answers to questions that haven't been answered. Why are there more deer this year than last year? Oh, it's because there are fewer bears than last year. Why is that? Oh it's because there's a new housing tract nearby. The homeowners keep killing the bears because they're too cheap and lazy to just get a few giant dogs to keep them away.
Okay obviously somebody already figured out the answer to that one but you'll be out there with a new one that you have to find the answer for. :)
Not to put too fine a point on it, but you'd better get busy on your spelling problem if you want to be a scientist. I corrected three errors in that one fragment of your post. Scientists are expected to know how to spell common words like "deer" and "know."
And also to know that the plural of one deer is two deer. :)Sounds like you're interested in finding new forms of life, yet undiscovered. This is called field study, which I just found out is called: Taxonomy.That's not right. Taxonomy is the classification and naming of related things. Linnaean taxonomy is the biological system we use for classifying lifeforms: Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species. ("King Philip called out for good service.") The taxonomic classification of the cat is Animals, Vertebrates, Mammals, Carnivores, Felines, Felis, domesticus.There are also taxonomies for language families, computer communication protocols, and many other fields of study."Evo-devo." Evolutionary developmental biology. learn about how structures, organs, tissues form and how they evolved.I second that suggestion. This field really covers information you are interested in and you'll need it for your specialty.You might also get a part time job, or a summer job, at a zoo.Biology is basically zoology, the study of animals, and botany, the study of plants. (You can get into the odd lifeforms that are neither of those, like viruses and fungi, when you're doing your post-doctoral research.) If you want to be a zoologist, which is what you're saying, you are going to have to study some animals. Regardless of what you want to specialize in, you're going to have to pay your dues. If you really really really don't want to go out in the jungle and study animals close up, I can't help wondering whether you have the temperament to be a zoologist--an animal biologist. You might be better off studying plants. But at the very least you'd better plan on putting some time in with the animals at a zoo.
Personally I would much rather spend the day out in the forest with a pair of binoculars and a laptop than in the zebra enclosure with a hose and a shovel.
Creative Fossil 06-01-07, 05:29 PM i want to pursue a career in studying life of animals..not how they live necessarily, because what i don't want to do is sit in a forest all day studying dears and bears and there habitats (stuff we already now)..i want to study where they came from and there adaptations...i want to discover and study new forms of life such as deep see fish and insects...help research and find stuff we don't know
this is a form of biology I THINK...i would like to know what this kind of field it is called (like ____ biology??) and what kind of courses i should be taking throughout my school year and what i should be trying to learn about and just general pointers for a career in this kind of field...and what the name of a field like this would even be called..
i am a sophomore in high school i have had bad grades and have struggled with drugs before and various other bad situations but have found my way out and want to finally find myself a future in the world. this is really really a huge motivation for my future and i am being very serious when i am posting this
thank you for all of your time in advance.
I've done this, I did it for two years, it is not covered as one science subject but many subjects. The course was called 'Animal Care' and lasted two years FULL TIME - 5 full days a week. Half a day of this was spent looking after zoo animals.
I studied as follows:
Biology (animal)
Chemistry
Animal welfare
Animal housing
Animal rights
Animal care
Ecology
Business studies
Environmental studies
Habitat
Nutrition
Animal health
There were a couple of other things but I can't think of them off hand, it was 1997 I did this.
My class was based at a zoo so we could study animals first hand and care for them etc. We would look at ecosystems and natural habitats and how to recreate those artificially. Environmental stimulation etc blah blah.
The aim was to end up with a qualification that would enable us to work in any animal care related environment and be able to manage certain business aspects such as running a zoo etc.
It was excellent.
You can't be a squishy wishy animal lover though as they teach you tough love.
you may find this link helpful:
http://www.transworldeducation.com/articles/animal.htm
Popestar:
Don't fucking do it. Get into computers, law or retail and work your way up. Don't get into biology at the risk of your entire fucking life. It's not worth it.
EmptyForceOfChi 06-01-07, 09:24 PM go and live in the wild and be at one with nature like i do,
the pay is lousy though you get 0 per year,
peace.
Popestar 06-01-07, 09:43 PM Pay is unimportant...but i still want to have time for a wife and maybe kids in the future...i want to get close up to animals by the way. I like dangerous things like that.
I really also don't care about animal safety, i just want answers. It is mainly just a field im actually interested in because i have had literally 0 motivation in school before this never had done a homework assignment once in my life (no Joke)
But it is gonna suck having to work long underpayed hours and not being able to be around friends as much but i REALLY do not want a fucking office job on a computer all day because that would be goddamn miserable...if i was looking for a job i could enjoy and maybe be around people and speak to people not in a business like way all the time does anyone have any ideas of what a good job for that kind of work would be...really sorry to be so broad but i really think i need to start thinking about a future at my age because all of my friends even though they are fuck ups at least have some idea of what they are gonna do and i have not a clue..
EmptyForceOfChi 06-01-07, 09:48 PM Pay is unimportant...but i still want to have time for a wife and maybe kids in the future...i want to get close up to animals by the way. I like dangerous things like that.
I really also don't care about animal safety, i just want answers. It is mainly just a field im actually interested in because i have had literally 0 motivation in school before this never had done a homework assignment once in my life (no Joke)
But it is gonna suck having to work long underpayed hours and not being able to be around friends as much but i REALLY do not want a fucking office job on a computer all day because that would be goddamn miserable...if i was looking for a job i could enjoy and maybe be around people and speak to people not in a business like way all the time does anyone have any ideas of what a good job for that kind of work would be...really sorry to be so broad but i really think i need to start thinking about a future at my age because all of my friends even though they are fuck ups at least have some idea of what they are gonna do and i have not a clue..
if you are out doing field studies in foreign countries then you might not be able to spare much time for a family, dont get me wrong its possible but you will miss alot of quality time with your family, unless you manage to secure a nice position wich allows your family to come along on a trip so to speak.
there is always the oppertunity to become a wildlife photographer, you can take your family along with you to wild and exotic places, pay your own way with good shots and video footage of rare species and wildlife, and also gives you the chance to do some of your own scientific research along the way,
i have always thought about doing this myself. but it takes alot of balls to just get up with a camera and fuck off over the world when i have a wife that wont want to come lol,
peace.
nietzschefan 06-01-07, 09:52 PM http://www.yellowstone-bearman.com/jpgs/Tim_Bear_Behind.jpg
EmptyForceOfChi 06-01-07, 10:01 PM i would never turn my back on that, i would have stuck 2 arrows in its head.
peace.
decantemix 06-02-07, 01:40 AM . That's not right. Taxonomy is the classification and naming of related things. Linnaean taxonomy is the biological system we use for classifying lifeforms: Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species. ("King Philip called out for good service.") The taxonomic classification of the cat is Animals, Vertebrates, Mammals, Carnivores, Felines, Felis, domesticus.There are also taxonomies for language families, computer communication protocols, and many other fields of study.
I'm assuming once you find something new, you need to classify it. I could be entirely wrong, but I would think if you're looking for something that has never been studied, viewed before; you would need to know how to general classify something and access catalogs to see if it is known. If not, you would need to know which kingdom, genus, etc to put this new critter in.
Could be wrong, not really sure.
Creative Fossil 06-02-07, 04:37 AM I've done this, I did it for two years, it is not covered as one science subject but many subjects. The course was called 'Animal Care' and lasted two years FULL TIME - 5 full days a week. Half a day of this was spent looking after zoo animals.
I studied as follows:
Biology (animal)
Chemistry
Animal welfare
Animal housing
Animal rights
Animal care
Ecology
Business studies
Environmental studies
Habitat
Nutrition
Animal health
There were a couple of other things but I can't think of them off hand, it was 1997 I did this.
My class was based at a zoo so we could study animals first hand and care for them etc. We would look at ecosystems and natural habitats and how to recreate those artificially. Environmental stimulation etc blah blah.
The aim was to end up with a qualification that would enable us to work in any animal care related environment and be able to manage certain business aspects such as running a zoo etc.
It was excellent.
You can't be a squishy wishy animal lover though as they teach you tough love.
you may find this link helpful:
http://www.transworldeducation.com/articles/animal.htm
Popestar, if you want a career out in the field working with animals then get on an animal course. Why are you here asking questions when you pay no heed to the answers. It is doable, find a course and do it.
Meanwhile if you don't care about animal safety then maybe YOU are better not working with animals. Dedication is what the employers in this field look for, not bored kids with nothing better to do with their time.
You don't sell yourself well.
leopold99 06-02-07, 05:15 AM Popestar:
Don't fucking do it. Get into computers, law or retail and work your way up. Don't get into biology at the risk of your entire fucking life. It's not worth it.
law would be the guys best bet.
computers sound good but it's too volatile. everything i learned about computers was becoming obsolete while i was learning it.
i don't know enough about retail to comment on it.
spuriousmonkey 06-02-07, 05:28 AM Popestar:
Don't fucking do it. Get into computers, law or retail and work your way up. Don't get into biology at the risk of your entire fucking life. It's not worth it.
well, I have to second that one.
Read-Only 06-02-07, 05:42 AM Pay is unimportant...but i still want to have time for a wife and maybe kids in the future...i want to get close up to animals by the way. I like dangerous things like that.
I really also don't care about animal safety, i just want answers. It is mainly just a field im actually interested in because i have had literally 0 motivation in school before this never had done a homework assignment once in my life (no Joke)
But it is gonna suck having to work long underpayed hours and not being able to be around friends as much but i REALLY do not want a fucking office job on a computer all day because that would be goddamn miserable...if i was looking for a job i could enjoy and maybe be around people and speak to people not in a business like way all the time does anyone have any ideas of what a good job for that kind of work would be...really sorry to be so broad but i really think i need to start thinking about a future at my age because all of my friends even though they are fuck ups at least have some idea of what they are gonna do and i have not a clue..
Allow me to point out something here. Making a choice of careers at your age can be very difficult, mostly because you aren't completely aware of what's out there. You need to put some serious effort into looking around more before trying to lock on to any one thing.
It takes a LOT of hard studying and it's expensive to get into the field you're talking about. Someone doesn't just jump out of high school and start doing it. You would have to spend a few years in college and get a couple of degrees before anyone would offer you a job like that. Do you have what it takes to go through all that? I mean the time, patience, personal interest and the money? It won't be cheap.
You say (now) that pay isn't important but it WILL be when you are paying off a student loan and possibly supporting a family. It will become VERY important!
So spend more time getting your act together and looking around. You will be surprised what you find.
phlogistician 06-05-07, 04:22 AM http://www.yellowstone-bearman.com/jpgs/Tim_Bear_Behind.jpg
That was an odd movie. Lots of the people in it were quirky to say the least. The coroner was just beyond.
Subtle link though, ... I guess not too many people have seen the movie!
nietzschefan 06-12-07, 09:54 AM That was an odd movie. Lots of the people in it were quirky to say the least. The coroner was just beyond.
Subtle link though, ... I guess not too many people have seen the movie!
I have to admit, though he was a total "loon", I have a underlying respect for him. Like many people, Tim could not find a "place" in the world. So he forged one, a completely unconventional one in the modern sense, yet grabbing life with both hands and just riding it. I must admit, I envy that somewhat. Brave and foolish is the way of many people whom have led very interesting lives. After you are dead, a horrible end is no different than a soft or decrepit one.
I posted it because post #1 in this thread, reminded me of him for some reason.
Lord Hillyer 06-13-07, 04:05 AM Take holy orders and be happy.
laughing weasel 06-13-07, 06:03 AM The most important decisions in our lives are made by teenagers too young to vote. I have changed from electrical engineering major to army to technician to security officer to nurse and will probably change again. Try to select a course of study that can be multifunctional. take as much biology in school as you can and join the navy omerchant marines to see the world for a couple of years and then go back to school with a purpose. College can be an expensive expirement. An education is never a waste even an arts degree says that you can stay focused on a goal for four years and does open up your mind. The kind of job you are describing is going to take a masters and probably a docterate at least. learn a foreign language at least spanish maybe french. It wont be the language that you need (it never is) but it will look good and help you learn how to learn a new language. Good luck.
heliocentric 06-17-07, 08:15 PM Its amazing how people always jump into these thread to cut people down on their ambitions.
Honestly mate, do what you want to do and go for it. If everyone listened to the naysayers noone would ever get anywhere.
And from listening to various well regarded academics i can tell you they all have their fair share of stories of underachievers around them consistantly telling them 'omg what, are you mad? goodlord dont study that!'
You know whats best for you at the end of the day.
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