... and now I see why that shit is illegal.

It's a fucking miracle drug.

Faster better harder stronger.

Too bad it's addictive and destructive. Guess that's why it's illegal.

It only gets worse. :D The first line you did will be the best line you'll ever do. The rest is a pipe dream.

Thats a good point invert. You've seen the good it has to offer, the rest is shit. It will never be the same again. Next time would be good, the time after would be ok... and so on, untill eventually it would be 'required', but not really 'good' in any way. Only in the basic sense that quenching your thirst is good.
First time is the best, you'll never get that again. Its a shame I know but there's no point in continuing to try and get it with cocaine because you won't and it will fuck you up.

It will eventually "control" you and take away everything you value. It not only is addictive but also destroys your morality very quickly. Anything that you ever have valued in life will be forgotten and the coke will remove all inhabitions that you have about anything. It will suck you dry and eventually make your mind totally incapasitated and screwed up. Then there's the cost of the stuff which you'll need to buy alot of to keep feeding the need. Last but not least is the quality of the coke. You'll never know what percentage of real stuff and "cut" they are selling you. So you will be screwed in many ways , great drug isn't it?

Is cocaine something you can stop after one go? and can anyone explain in the same way what heroin does? I know I sound very un-cool, but will anyone answer?

Cheers
Teri

It depends upon each individual because we are all made up differently when it comes to handling different drugs. Some people can try coke once and put it down easily then there's many who will not be able to resisit its lure. That's why it is better off not to try any addicting type of drugs because you never know what type of reaction your body and mind will have to them. I hope this answers your question.

"Cocaine is a hell of a drug" - Rick James

You'd sell your soul, if you have one,, for heroin or coke fix, that's how addictive they are.

Cocaine is like, the playskool "my first drug." I think nicotine has a stronger stimulant effect on me.

Thanks for the answers. They explain a few things but they don't make it any better. I guess everyone knows someone....

Cheers
Teri

I only know from myself and what I tell you is from my own experiance not others. So just don't take anything that you want to try for it just may cause you to die! That ain't no shit either. Alcohol is the same thing, it is addicting as coke or heroin but less money is the difference.

I have heard this before, but I have a hard time believing alcohol is as addicting as heroin. I know people that have tried heroin. From what they say it seems to be a different beast entirely. (and I know that alcohol can be terrible addictive to some. my dad has struggled with it his whole life)

What if you would use once today and than only next year? Wouldn't your system be completely clean from it? Wouldn't you feel as if it were the first time? Talk about a new "champagne" for New Years Eve...! :D

:m:

Alcohol only takes longer to become addicted to than heroin, in the end they both got you as an addict.

I wouldn't put coke and heroin in the same category exactly. Of course, as you say, people experience it differently. Coke is a slippery slope but not as bad. The thing about coke is, is that it is immediately short term addictive. Not necessarily with the first line, but after the second or third of the night you start wanting the next sooner and sooner, the need becomes stronger and stronger. Of course, a good night's sleep, once you finally go down, will remove the effect. I would say this, people who think of it as a "miracle drug" might very well be in a high risk category of becoming addicted. I remember my first time, I thought it was cool, but nothing that great. Crack is worse, the first hit is addictive, again short term, nothing a good nights sleep won't cure. But people who do these things fall prey to habituation and eventually real addiction. I never liked the uncomfortable twitchiness of stimulants, so I put it down easily.

Heroin I've never actually tried. It's too rich for my blood, and I was also afraid I'd like it too much. Stimulants aren't for me, but depressants are another matter. It's a physical addiction that can kill you if you just stop once you've gone far enough. The effects, from what I understand, are such that when first beginning, a little will do you for longer. You don't need much and it lasts awhile. The amounts become greater and greater as you go. The long-term addiction is much sooner.

Alcohol is another slippery slope. Some people can drink responsibly and not fall prey to alcoholism, but others become increasingly dependent. The real dangers of alcoholism are the long term alcoholics. I used to drink profusely. It was fun, it loosens you up, makes you more social, etc... It has many good side effects. But, I began to notice, not so much in myself but those around me, that the booze was starting to get on top of them. They began to need it. My sister would lecture me about smoking pot and addictive personalities and such, meanwhile, she gets shitfaced drunk every day of her life. My father was an alcoholic. He would get off work and go right to the bar. Drink til he was incoherent, go home, sleep, wake up, go to work, rinse, lather, repeat. He tended to stay off the sauce on the weekends, and he was able to go for a week or two at a time without drinking if the need arose, but in the end it killed him. I have an older friend, pushing 50, who is a serious alcoholic. He can't go a day without getting seriously drunk. He gets cycles of hangovers. Booze to cure it, which just makes it worse the next day. He tries to clean up every now and again, but I've never seen him go more than a couple of days before he starts rationalizing that he has to drink or his body will just shut down. I've seen him cry about friends that have died from kidney failure and the like. His sister-in-law was so bad they put her in the hospital because she wasn't doing anything but drinking, she wouldn't even eat. Get this, a ketchup packet or two every now and again was her lunch. A friend of his blew his brains out, bad divorce, but booze pushed him to it. I could go on and on. It's disgusting.

In the end, I quit because I like to be in control of my actions. Drugs like these take control. Some sooner, some later. Now if I could just quit smoking. But the thing about smoking is that it doesn't steal your mind, just your will. And the anti-smoking commercials nowadays make me sick in their raw blatant propagandism. Whiners and complainers bitching that they didn't know it was bad. The tobacco companies owe them something. Weaklings. I think it should be obvious that inhaling burning smoke into your lungs is not good for you. And the surgeon general's report has been out a long time. If you don't know smoking is bad for you, then you're a retard.

Its good you didn't try heroin invert. Like you said, some people are prone to stimulants and others depressants.
I enjoy drinking. Deep down I know that its in my genes. I could become an alcoholic rather easily. But I dont drink more than once every week or two. I rarely get shitcanned. I got out of control in college. You can do that sort of thing in school but after you can't without screwing things up.
Thing is, i know heroin would kick my ass. So Im never gonna touch it.

Thanks for sharing invert. Addiction is an ugly thing and it doesn't matter if it's alcohol, narcotics, nicotine or food. We all have our vices but it's important to understand that everything comes with a cost attached. Some are pay now and some are pay later. But either way there is always a cost.

I don't know about you, but nothing makes me crave a cigarette more than a Nicorette commercial. Go figure?

I would probably be ok with any drugs. But I don't do it, it is part of my philosophy. I'm too responible to ue thoe things, not to mention that people often find it "cool". I don't like doing what other people find "cool," I like having my own personality, being different. That's why peer pressure is completely meaningless to me. I undertand that ome people have problem with it, but for me is plain idiotic. I guess I have too high self-esteem to smoke or drink just so that I can feel welcomed.

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't get addicted. I drink wine in special occasions, and I can control it very well without never getting drunk. Sometimes, when I drink, I pretend I'm drunk just for the heck of it. It is fun. I used to pretend I was drunk, when I was a kid. I was much better at it than... :D

After all, I only drink wine because it is supposed to be good for me. Only red wine, no white ones... ;)

I hate to say it, but I had a coke fix. I only did a short line a day, thank God. It has lost all effect. I slowly used less and less until I stopped alltogether. Like someone said, the forst bowl is the best one. I can't agree more.

I tried coke just to see what it was; what the deal was. Four lines later I knew why people get addicted.

I think it's better than alcohol, because alcohol leads to incoherency. Amphetamines temporarily make you faster and better (like ritalin). Freud thought it was a superdrug.

I have no intention of ever doing it again because it is addictive. It's more addictive than alcohol; but alcohol is cheap. If cocaine was cheap (or even legal), there'd be a lot more addicts.

I guess I have too high self-esteem to smoke or drink just so that I can feel welcomed.
Thats impressive, because if I was you I'd have NO self esteem
haha
:high fives everyone except truthseeker:

What a load of sad bastards....
Your unparallelled lack of hedonistic sensibilities leaves so much to be desired.
I'm frankly disappointed
It's a fucking miracle drug.
No it's not it's just a bit of 'sniff'.
The first line you did will be the best line you'll ever do.
You need to stop for month or three nexus
Gets you right back to square one.
There's always pills and billy whizz if your easily bored in the meantime.
You've seen the good it has to offer, the rest is shit
The rest being?
What year you first hit the snow Lou?
It will eventually "control" you and take away everything you value.
LoL!
I suspect your not talking from experience cosmic if you are then you should never have come to the party.
I know I sound very un-cool
But at least you sound honest Teri.
Oh and the answer is yes you can stop after one go, you can even stop after a six gram stag weekend in Amsterdam.
You'd sell your soul, if you have one,, for heroin or coke fix, that's how addictive they are.
Flash of lightning!!!!
Roll of Thunder!!!!
DA DA DADA!
:p
I have heard this before, but I have a hard time believing alcohol is as addicting as heroin.
Alcohol is the worse drug on the block.
It's not even the cheapest anymore.
Why do that to yourself...
I would probably be ok with any drugs. But I don't do it, it is part of my philosophy. I'm too responible to ue thoe things,
I don't usually point up typo's but if thats how you type when your sober then your philosophy is a wise one truth.

Some of you boys are Okay but most of you are pussies.
I bet your all American.
Just wait until morning. When the Europeans wake up and start posting you'll find out just how little you know of hardcore drug usage.
Most of us have pissed out more narcotics than you boys will take in a lifetime.
Anybody else here ever drunk ethanol?
Thought not!
Pussies!
Dee Cee :m:

So what mate? You want a cookie? You big, bad, hardcore drug user you. gurrr



fred

So what mate? You want a cookie?
What type of cookie? ;)
Dee Cee

You need to stop for month or three nexus
Gets you right back to square one.

I've quite for periods longer than that and have never experienced the feeling exactly like the first time I did it. My mind is not what it was then, I don't think in the same way as I did then, I've got too many experiences stacked on top of that innocent boy who tried it so long ago. But, as I've said, stimulants just aren't my cup of tea. I just get uptight, nervous, and uncomfortable. Not my idea of a good time. I haven't done any in at least 5 years. And I can honestly say that I'll never do it again. It doesn't thrill me at all.

Coke can be addictive if one does it often enough. But if it is used in moderation, the short-term addiction wears off with a good nights sleep. But there are junkies out there that would sell their souls for some coke. They would sell their mother's dentures for coke. They would whore themselves out for coke. Does everyone who tries coke end up this way? No. Absolutely not. But as I said, it's a slippery slope. There's only one way to find out if you're that kind of person. And once you do it's too late.

And about your hedonistic sensibilities, I have seen hedonism destroy too many lives. I've had my fling with hedonism and want nothing to do with it. All things in moderation is a good motto. Hedonism is excess. This world is sick with hedonism, it's time we grew up.

Oh, yes, let's all praise European drug culture. What a thing to be proud of. Hooray...
Well if thats how you feel then I guess I can only offer you the advice of Mr Welsh.

"Choose life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family, Choose a fucking big television, Choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players, and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol and dental insurance. Choose fixed-interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisure wear and matching luggage. Choose a three piece suite on hire purchase in a range of fucking fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing sprit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing you last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked-up brats you have spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life."
Irvine Welsh Trainspotting (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/)

But who would want to do a thing like that?
Dee Cee

Most of us have pissed out more narcotics than you boys will take in a lifetime.

Now there's something to be proud of. There you go boys, the challenge is has been made. You must now all try and piss out more narcotics than your European counterparts. Just make sure your wills are made before you start the challenge.

Anybody else here ever drunk ethanol?
And you would want to do that because of why?

Danny: Don't get uptight with me man. Because if you do I'll have to give you a dose of medicine and if I spike you you'll know you've been spoken to.

Withnail: You wouldn't spike me you're too mean. Besides, there's nothing invented I couldn't take.

Danny: If I medicined you you'd think a brain tumour was a birthday present.

Withnail: Balls! I could take double anything you could.

Danny [removing his sunglasses]: Very, very foolish words man.

Marwood: He's right Withnail. Look at him . His mechanisms gone. He's had more drugs than you've had hot dinners.

Withnail: I'm not having this shag-sack insulting me. Let him get his drugs out.

Danny gets a doll out of a bag.

Danny: This doll is extremely dangerous. It has voodoo qualities.

Withnail snorts. Danny takes the head off the doll and extracts a handful of pills.

Danny: Trade: Phenodihydrochloride benzelex. Street: The embalmer.

Bruce Robinson Withnail and I (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005QISZ/ref=sr_aps_dvd_1_1/026-3800332-0567643)
Sounds like fun!
I shall produce my first sample shortly.
Dee Cee

DeeCee,

I'm a European. And I don't do drugs. And yes, go ahead, call me a pussy if you must.

But what have you actually read in "Trainspotting"? Did you bother to read the passages that go into the reasons for addiction? The passages about not being able to handle one's own strong emotions, the passages about weakness, the inability to face responsibility? What about the egoistic heroin apathy? What about Renton actually being able to see all this and analyze himself?

What about doing drugs as a psychological self-defense?

Obviously, you praise drugs for this very reason: psychological self-defense. And you are so deep in this shit that you don't even see it.

there is a show in sweden "Kvarteret Skatan". (Homour Show)

They had a fun sketch. They saw a moose in the central downtown and took up a camera. They tried to take a picture but then the line was "shit, why does a moose have to be here now when we have done too much PCP to be able to handle a camera!"

That is why it is illegal, because you might miss out on great photos! :p

I'm a European. And I don't do drugs. And yes, go ahead, call me a pussy if you must.
Ok your a pussy.
Did you bother to read the passages that go into the reasons for addiction?
I did. How many of those reasons related to the molecular structure of endorphine anologs and how many were social factors?
The passages about not being able to handle one's own strong emotions,
Yup read that too. It's an common old theme and you don't need heroin to find yourself there.
the passages about weakness, the inability to face responsibility? What about the egoistic heroin apathy?
Not everybody feels obliged to accept responsibility and believe me the 'inability to face responsibility' comes first.
Then they find Heroin.
Heroin gives your total freedom from all responsibilities but finding more heroin.
Why do you think they do it?
One mans apathy is another mans contented peace.
What about Renton actually being able to see all this and analyze himself?
If you don't have that ability you shouldn't do drugs.
Obviously, you praise drugs for this very reason: psychological self-defense. And you are so deep in this shit that you don't even see it.
LoL.
You have no Idea babe.
Just how far down the path have you trod and who wrote your textbooks?
You seem to have lost contact with the reality of recreational polyabuse.

But of course I'm deluded, clouded and incapable of insight.
Guess your wasting your time talking to me then.
Dee Cee

Dee cee
There is nothing cool about taking drugs, just take a look around and check out your company, how cool are they? yeah its obviously no claim to fame. Every dirtbag on earth takes drugs. Its not a talent.
I used to take a shitload of drugs, now I can look back and see that I was a low life piece of shit.
If drugs are the highlight of your life you're pathetic, bottom line.

Just remember that any drug that you take can become addicting or habbit forming and that will cost you plenty of money and eventually you may even lose your life. If that is what you think is cool, then your just a fool.

DeeCee : Ethanol's for pussies. Methanol's what real men take :rolleyes:

Every dirtbag on earth takes drugs. Its not a talent.

True. But it seems that some think that it is a talent to be able to go on them for a while and then stop. They think they have what it takes. They are strong because they can take the shit, feel good for a little while, not have any worries apart from where the next hit will come from and then they get off the shit and live a little bit. Then the claims are made... 'I'm not an addict'... 'I can stop whenever I want to' and they actually do.. for a while. Some stop for a long while.. a couple of years maybe.

And then they think to themselves that they might have another hit.. had some problems and the shit will make it all go away again. They inject themselves and woohoo it feels good.. feels like it's their first hit.. oh yeah.. heaven.. literally. Their heart stops. A couple of hours later the restaurant management realises that the fool with his face planted in his salad is not asleep or drunk but actually dead. Then their family must then pay a visit to the morgue to identify their body and then make preparations for their funeral.

Yeah that's real fucking talent.

cocaine is actually almost tolerance free, you will experience the same 'amount' of satisfaction if you continue on using it. And the withdrawal symptoms is much weaker than with most other drugs'. you can see why cocaine is very popular

unfortunately you will get addicted that's the same as the other drugs. your mental health, your homeostasis, your finacial status, your family, your social life, your fertility, your car, your house, your dog, etc, are getting worse and worse. you can manage to live only 20 yrs shorter if you're lucky, and you'll be involved in countless accidents in the later life as a result of drug abuse

do not try drugs. it's the same as 'do not try jumping off the roof'

Dee Cee,

Not everybody feels obliged to accept responsibility and believe me the 'inability to face responsibility' comes first.

Oh, let me repeat that: "Not everybody feels obliged to accept responsibility" -- and that makes it okay to not accept responsibility?!

You should be grateful that you are still alive. It is not your merit that you are. You must have had a lot of luck.

Your lack of respect is just mind-boggling.

i'd say dont' mess with the hard stuff if you're stupid.

i've never done heroin, but I've sampled pretty much everything else below it on the "drug food chain", and I like them all. however, i was respectful that they were all more powerful than me and bowed straight out before ever forming a habit with any of them... well, besides :m:. i've always had a place in my me for :m: i hate beer though. there must be something wrong with me.

seriously, i think truly recreational drug use can be great and really enhance one's life in the sense of "knowing what it's about", a lot because altered states are interesting and if you're paying attention you can learn a lot from it. well that and there's a lot of just wild fun to be had there, i'll spare details. i would recommend though, an extremely humble attitude with drugs, as if you do not respect them they will kick your ass for real.

i'm pretty much past the experimental phase at this point. i quit smoking cigarettes two years ago, I'm still addicted to caffein and loves some :m: in the wee hours of the evening. i've recently discovered cigars which are nice.

i'm trying to get to the part about choice. in other words, i don't see why it isn't a perfectly valid choice to modify your cranial chemistry in whatever manner you like as long as you're willing to live with the fallout. that just means you better damned well put serious though into the fallout and who and what might be effected by it. as long as you can handle the results and live with yourself, that's all good. i may not make the same decision you do about it, and I might even discourage you depending on what i know about you, but i certainly don't disrespect you for it. honestly i don't see it as much different that building swimming pool for your ducks or some stupid shit. whatever you gotta do so long as you don't fuck people over doing it.

Drugs are bad, Mmmm Kay. :D

The drug scene, the drama, failure, life struggles of it all. How do we cope? by scapism? is this the best way to relate to reality by scaping into the ellicit drugs, alcohol, tobaco etc?

I've been drug free apx 10 years now, I was a crack addict, alcoholic, used to wear long sleave shirts in the summer to hide my tracks, I've shot coke, heroin, speed, done acid, lsd of various names and dellusions, done exstacy, a party with my friends and me was a cache of drugs if we were ever to have been busted, I was lucky I never got cought, thrown in jail because of drugs. The reason for that I think is because we were rich kids, and back then as it is now the drug busts mostly go on in poor neighborhoods.

What made me quit was a nervous breakdown the second one in my life, "what a crack binge of a weekend I had, that left my brains totally fried", an over explosion of emotion while having an argument with my best friend caused me to recluse and eventually have a nervous breakdown.

I spent two weeks in rehab, only to find out that the system is made up, only to bring you right back, the lack of success of these places should be enough to shut them down, the reason "government financed and managed" these people would loose their cushy jobs if everyone was drug free. The psychiatrists only prescribed other fucking drugs to "suppose" clear my mind, they only made me drool all over my self, couldn't see straight, and was becoming more incomprehensible. I had to fight with my family to get me out, and also to quit seeing psychiatrists, the next move was to hire a psychologist, what a waste of time, trying to communicate with some proffessional who has never even tried a joint!. I had to quit drugs on my own.

There is nothing wrong with trying a little here and there of what ever may make you feel good, however be weary of the feeling and the need to be "high" drugs don't make you better, they make you perceive that you are better.

I started at a very young age, my parents used to get a kick at seen me drunk during holyday parties, by the time of early teen I was an alcoholic like my father, some friend got my high with pot, and the rest is history of 20 years of my life.

So someone has done coke for the first time, my best advise is don't try crack, or best yet don't do it again.

Godless.

cocaine is actually almost tolerance free, you will experience the same 'amount' of satisfaction if you continue on using it. And the withdrawal symptoms is much weaker than with most other drugs'.

Tolerance free? You must have the strangest metabolism on the face of the earth then. Oh, you're from Mars. I can tell you that my experience belies that opinion.

Withdrawal is weaker than heroin, that's for sure. In fact, unless you're a hardcore junkie, there's almost no withdrawal. But, there is a period within 72 hours where you get a fever and feel flu-like symptoms from withdrawal. It doesn't happen all the time, but does occur occasionally. Probably depends on how much you've done on your latest binge.

The good thing about coke is that it's effects generally wear off after a good nights sleep. If you sleep and wake up with a coke craving, then you are indeed a junkie.

No need for me to expose my resume on drug use to you folks but be assured I can wade into this topic, ohhh can i ever.. But before I do i want to make some comments on others posts....

Godless - rough trip man. Good luck.

Martian
cocaine is actually almost tolerance free, you will experience the same 'amount' of satisfaction if you continue on using it. And the withdrawal symptoms is much weaker than with most other drugs'. you can see why cocaine is very popular

Ohhhh reaaaallly! Tell that to an ex-partner of mine who spooned with me for 11 hours in bed because I thought I was going out of my fuq'ing mind following a 12 hour coke marathon.

Dr. Lou (fuq u!)
Every dirtbag on earth takes drugs. Its not a talent.
I used to take a shitload of drugs, now I can look back and see that I was a low life piece of shit.

You have no clue Lou..... Are you high right now?

My opinion is this: if you want to try drugs go ahead, don't let a bunch of half wits convince you one way or 'the other'[deecee].

There are things you should keep in mind before venturing into the wonderful world of coke use, they are:
Never buy coke off the street or from someone you don't know (if you don't know anyone or have no connections then don't do it).

Don't do a rail in the fuq'n john at a bar, within minutes everyone in the joint will know it. Go out to your car and do it.

Determine how much you want before buying it and stick to that - a famous line on coke use, 'One's too many and a thousand's not enough.' (ohh, how true!)

Look at it before you buy. If it is a little rocky with 'some' powdery residue it's good stuff. If it's all powder it's shit. This is important because the more powder suggests it has been stepped on, and you have no clue what was used to cut it.

Don't hang with people who aren't in on it with you. They'll know and the next day you'll feel like shit for the stuff you said the night before.

Never, ever, ever take it before work, school, Christmas Dinner, Barmitzfah's (sp?), your wedding day, a first date, court appearance or job interview (see Trainspotting).

Most importantly, remind yourself that drug use is only one small part of life - don't allow it to become your entire life.

I think it's important to know that you're in control at the outset and that you must always stay in control, otherwise you may find yourself drinking ethanol one day. I mean, drug experimentation is fine in my books but too many people fall victim to drugs because they're not in control at the start.

Oh yeah, always remember to forgive yourself once you've sobered up.
:m:

Cmon, people if you're mentally strong enough you can do what you bloody like.
Drugs are only a part of the formula.
Drugs-music-dancin-sex-food-laughter. Love.
Put them together and feel it.

Godless Fireguy Wes and Bigal

Yours are opinions that I can respect.
I do not advocate drug use nor can I advocate motorbikes or falling in love.
All of them are potentially damaging and should be approached only with due care.
My first post was a lighthearted response to a load of stock nonsense about the instant addictiveness of cocaine and the inevitablity of a rapid descent to hell of all users of exotic herbs and illegal chemicals.

I just wanted to make myself clear on this.

As for my habits. Twenty odd years of varied and regular use of all sort of things. Started by sharing bottles of cough syrup with the other lads at school never was fond of glue though. Got into Weed Coke LSD Psyclobin Amphetines Ketamine and E, (not all at the same time I hasten to add:)) during the early years of adulthood. Tried Heroin and didn't like it. Tried it again and didn't like it and that was pretty much me and heroin (I still take the occasional social toke though). Tried crack once or twice. Very nice but you can only buy it from very dodgy people so not worth the bother.
Now I have a job and stuff!
I have a demanding job with no small degree of social status and a big enough wage to pay child support, morgage, bills and for holidays on tropical beaches After those basic expenses I can still buy all the drugs my heart desires. Not a bad situation for a drug fiend.
I must be honest though.
If my consumption had continued at the level it was at, say, the age of 21 I might well be just a mothers memory right now.
Maybe I was lucky but then again I have made many friends and they're all still with me. Drugs have never been just a poor mans game. Trouble is it's mostly the poor who pay the price.
IMHO The ability to earn a decent wage and to learn from experience are the two main requirements of a serious drug habit.

Now you know.
Drugs are only for grown ups.
Pussies need not apply.
Dee Cee

Tolerance free? You must have the strangest metabolism on the face of the earth then. Oh, you're from Mars. I can tell you that my experience belies that opinion.

Withdrawal is weaker than heroin, that's for sure. In fact, unless you're a hardcore junkie, there's almost no withdrawal. But, there is a period within 72 hours where you get a fever and feel flu-like symptoms from withdrawal. It doesn't happen all the time, but does occur occasionally. Probably depends on how much you've done on your latest binge.

The good thing about coke is that it's effects generally wear off after a good nights sleep. If you sleep and wake up with a coke craving, then you are indeed a junkie.

The problem is with most people they want to keep using coke and not stop. This is why it is so much of a problem and it is addicting wether you think so or not. It isn't as addicting as heroin but it is right up there along side it. To many people start to party with coke and when they run out they want to get more and more if they could afford it. That is where they would sell their bodies to get another fix or line. Coke is a very powerful drug that will control you, you won't easily control it and if you think you can you are a fool.

Respect DEECEE.
It's all about keeping control. You just gotta know how to love.

Without drugs, I'd have never have known how much pleasure I could physically feel.
I actually don't need drugs anymore. I know the high, you can get the high if you know where it is. To get the high without the drugs, that is the greatest feeling in the world.

Cos....
Coke is a very powerful drug that will control you, you won't easily control it and if you think you can you are a fool.

I am no fool my friend. Coke is, without a doubt, a very powerful drug.

I've seen several friends fall victim to its dillusional allure, lose everything then come out the other side - a terrible trip. I have, at times, found myself falling victim to it - hence the 12 hour binge I spoke of earlier.

I was no weekend warrior when it came to drugs, I've tried just about everything under the sun without any regrets. I personally believe those experiences taught me a valuable lesson about respect for drugs. I now have a respectful career making more money then I ever have and yet, I have absolutely no desire to get wired.

Cosmic... to boldly state that only fools can control coke is wrong in my circumstance and really emphasizes the misinformation floating around about drugs [coke].

I've said it once and I'll say it again: Before you do 'any' drugs remember that you're the one in control.

DeeCee - :cool:

I've tried cocaine too. Not snorting it, put lacing it in a blunt.

I've actually tried it several times. However, I don't do it anymore.

You may feel like it cannot hurt you, particularly because you probably are a teenager (like myself) and feel like your god - this in combination with its addictive compound will turn you into squash.

You know for a reason I'm not sure if I can explain, in my twisted little world drugs are pretty much an issue of free speech. Hell even more fundamental than that really. In all seriousness I sometimes would recommend that poeple try acid or mushrooms. I suppose if you're the philosophical type I'd put them on the 'must do' list. Must do a few times and then not do, but do nonetheless. I don't know if there is a more clear way to demonstrate the potential fallacy of perception.

I don't know if there is a more clear way to demonstrate the potential fallacy of perception.

Well put wes... I agree. Acid is one hell of a mind fuq.

Two tabs of acid can turn a trip to the mall into a feast of adventure.:)
Only for the strong willed.
Dee Cee

I've tried cocaine too. Not snorting it, put lacing it in a blunt

One can always spot a rookie! They have a name for this it's called "A Primo" here in the Southwest.


Two tabs of acid can turn a trip to the mall into a feast of adventure

True just don't forget dinner in the oven! speaking from experience, once on acid trip called "windowpain" a green blotter type of acid, not paper were one hit was able to get 4 people triping good, this fool "me" took 2 hits for a weekend adventure, anyhow I put a pot-pie in the oven, and completely blew it off, when crusing in my motorcycle, anyhow I got hungry naturally and stoped in TacoBell, when I got home my roomies back from work were asking lots of questions.LOL, oooops! Dooood I totally forgot about it!.

For those willing to try acid, time moves very slowly for your perception however time is going at regular pace, i.e. on my motorcycle 70mph felt like 40 slow and easy. However each trip is unique, and each individual has it's own trip.
Warning: if you are too much in stress this is not a trip for you, the effects of the drug could back-fire, and actually highten your deppresion, not aliviate any personal problems you may have. My best advise is be very coutious, when trying acid for the first time, though I don't advocate trying it at all, but kids do what kids do, so just be aware of your emotional state before proceeding to experiment.

You know for a reason I'm not sure if I can explain, in my twisted little world drugs are pretty much an issue of free speech.

Well put Wes, however it's not speech but a "right"!. I don't advocate drug use, however I don't advocate a "free government" such as supposedly the USA, codoning some sorts of drugs i.e. alcoohol, tobacco, caffeine, etc.. and criminalizing others, it's not the government's job to be my nany. The war on drugs by the US is a war on millions of its citicens who do drugs on a regular basis and yet contribute to our society, the war on drugs has more taken a curve more like discrimination of Latinos and Blacks even though Whites are amongs the highest users, the blacks and latinos pay with drug senteces and jail time.

I personally believe those experiences taught me a valuable lesson about respect for drugs.

Fireguy you've learned two things not only respect for drugs, but also respect for self, "self respect" is what drives many to quit doing drugs, and want to live healthier lifestile, been that longevity of life is what the human organism strives for, this is what you naturally sought out, to feel healthier and become more productive. Welcome! to reality.
Many drug users, don't thing of the long harmfull effects the drugs is doing to our bodies, naturally I got to a stage were I realised my health was deterioriating and had to do something about it, a change of lifestyle, if you will, chages your life around to benefit the human organism, then your reaching for ultimate happiness, a long life.

To get the high without the drugs, that is the greatest feeling in the world.

True, and if anyone needs 2 know how to get high, without drugs here's a formula. Try running 5 miles, or biking 20 miles, or roller blading 10 miles in the hot heat sun, any physical excertion that you do will stimulate all kinds of chemical activity in your brain, to keep the machine of your body running, when your done with the physical activity your relaxaction will feel like a high. When I first quit I used to run at least 3 miles every-morning, painfull at first but kept at it, after work I lift weights for about 2 hours, I slept like a baby.

Godless.

I don't usually point up typo's but if thats how you type when your sober then your philosophy is a wise one truth.
That computer's keyboard was screwed up, when "s"s are concerned... :p
Some of those worstations at school are really bad.... :bugeye:

Drugs, eh? Been there, done that, done just about all of them in my youth. Many in enormous quantities. Looking back at the "drug years" it just seems like a big waste of time and money now. Oh, it was fun, but really, how much more fun was it than it could have been otherwise?

Dee Cee, you first few posts make it sound like it's your religion that has been stepped on. ;)

About coke specifically, we used to refer to that short-term addiction as "coke mania". The first couple line were fun, but as the buzz wore off, you really, really wanted it to go on. Just until midnight, just until 2. Just until sunrise. Then the next day one of the room mates would admit that in the height of the mania he had done something stupid, traded his new prize possession, his $300 portable stereo that he had for less than a week, for a tenth of a gram line of coke. ($10).

It's amusing in the short term, wasteful in the medium to long term. I have tons of experience in this regard and don't recommend it for anyone. However, I don't condemn anyone for their choices either. I don't even do pot or alcohol any more (never liked the taste of alcohol), but I still smoke cigarettes. So who the hell am I to judge anyone?

In all things, caution and moderation. And remember, in most places this stuff is illegal and packs some serious consequences in more ways than one.

I do coc sometimes, I think people exagerate the addictiveness of it. I do see how people could get addicted, but I also see how easy it is to do it once and then say no. It's all about self-control and knowing what you want. The drug that is most dangerous is oxycontin. That shit is raw, since its pretty much synthetic heroine it brings a feeling of uphoria (spelling). you can rail it(snort) or just chew up the pill. this is my last week of highschool in norcal, and I see a lot of drugs. I believe its good to experiment, but when you see yoruself go everyday with a certain drug, you should know its time to stop. unless its pot, pot is good everyday. hurray for drugs!

LSD
Hazards Of LSD Psychotherapy

From the book Licit and Illicit Drugs
by Edward M. Brecher
and the Editors of Consumer Reports Magazine

From the very beginning, psychiatrists were aware that LSD, like most other medicaments, poses hazards. The hazards visible during the early years were summed up in a classic 1960 paper, Lysergic Acid Diethylamide: Side Effects and Complications, by Dr. Sidney Cohen.

Dr. Cohen sent a questionnaire to 66 researchers who were known to have administered LSD or mescaline to humans, either therapeutically or experimentally.

Forty-four of them replied; they had administered LSD on more than 25,000 occasions to nearly 5,000 men and women. Dr. Cohen also searched the medical literature for published reports of adverse effects.

From the physical point of view, LSD was found to have a remarkable record. No instance of serious, prolonged physical side effects was found either in the literature or in the answers to the questionnaires.

When major untoward reactions occurred they were almost always due to psychological factors. No physical complications were observed even when LSD was given to skid-row alcoholics with impaired liver function and generally deteriorated health.

As for adverse psychological reactions, Dr. Cohen noted that the published LSD literature directly records only one suicide and that in a schizophrenic patient, and a 'Small number of short, self-limited psychotic reactions and other lesser side effects.

Dr. Cohen's survey of LSD therapists, however, turned up several kinds of adverse psychological reactions. These he divided into immediate and subsequent. The most common, but still infrequent, immediate problem [Dr. Cohen reported] was one of unmanageability.

This apparently occurs when insight into the situation is lost and the individual acts upon delusory, usually paranoid ideas. Instances of running away from the tester, disrobing, or accidental self injury were described.

Panic episodes were likewise mentioned. When these develop early they seem to represent the terror involved with the loss of ego controls. At the height of the reaction panic may be precipitated.... Finally, after many hours of frightening dissociation the subject could develop an intense fear that he will not be able to get back to his ordinary state.

More at:

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http://www.egodeath.com/dissociativephenom.htm#xtocid15311

I don't know who checked, but apparently 90% of US$50 & $100 bills have microbes of coke - that's a lot of nostrils.

coke is not physically addictive.
you can do coke for years and one day stop and you won't feel physical withdrawal except irritability for a coupla days.
it is however very mentally addictive
especially if you're doing it and you're on a roll, you can't stop.
it may be cheaper than H per gram but you end up spending way more money on it per night.

once i was stoned and did a line... i was planning to keep my half gram of coke for 2-3 days. but it lasted for about 45 minutes.
thing is the high is so damn short you want to keep feeling it so you do more.

H on the other hand, you buy 0.25 gram (or even less if the dealer cheats you, which he most likely do because he knows you won't go and scale it but shoot it right away cause you're an addict) and it lasts you for a day if you wanna be high the whole day, or even 2-3 days if you do a little bit each day.

somebody said the first line of coke will be your best
wrong
my first line was pretty boring. i actually thought the dealer gave me baking soda... but the next day when i was stoned and did it, it felt pretty damn good :D

anyway
i'm not doing any drugs now.. only a very rare toke here and there
been there, done that... it's a pretty dangerous world

it's not just about what it can do to you physically and mentally... it's the whole scene of shady characters and the whole nature of drug dealers
the harder the drug, the more chances you have of getting shot or robbed or who knows what.

then there are the ppl who you chill with when you're high... your coke buddies, who are drug fiends just like you - they will hesitate not even for a second to cheat you out of your dose or borrow money, but "just until the next paycheck, i promise!"

i have 3 people that owe me in total about $1100

and then there are cops, and society's view on a "druggy", the difficulty of getting certain jobs with a criminal record (or with a damaged brain)

naaa.. drugs are not for me..
that is, until i need a really nice escape and i can't handle reality
ppl say "drugs are not an escape" and i say "fuck you" lol
haven't found anything so bad to be upset about, but in extreme situations i'd probably do something

as far as hallucinations go, E is the best (haven't tried acid yet)
things that look as real as my hand just pop out of nowhere and start spinning or changing color. really entertaining..
but E gives you depression and long-term brain damage
the entertainment does not come without a price

keep that in mind, Roman

coke is not physically addictive.
If coke is not physically addictive, then marijuana is not physically adictive either... ;)

it's not
except you have insomnia if you don't smoke it after smoking it regularly

According to the dictionary......

Main Entry: ad·dic·tion
Pronunciation: &-'dik-sh&n, a-
Function: noun
1 : the quality or state of being addicted <addiction to reading>
2 : compulsive need for and use of a habit-forming substance (as heroin, nicotine, or alcohol) characterized by tolerance and by well-defined physiological symptoms upon withdrawal; broadly : persistent compulsive use of a substance known by the user to be harmful.

I keep saying no to drugs but they wont listen.

The *sniffffff* Flemster.